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Williams-Brice

10-11-2007, 10:56 AM

Per ESPN. I was in kindergarten when the run started. I feel like a piece of me just died.

crimsonnation713

10-11-2007, 10:58 AM

WOW !! Comes as a shock to me , even though they haven't been doing as well lately. He built some good teams.

Gator2753

10-11-2007, 10:59 AM

Per ESPN. I was in kindergarten when the run started. I feel like a piece of me just died.

I thought he and Bobby were both going to give it one more year then they both were going to retire.
Now is it no suprise that we went after Tex? This was Schuerholz's last effort for a run at the playoffs. I salute him and appreciate him for his effort.
Now maybe new ownership will be just what the Braves need to turn the corner next year. We still have bobby and all we truly need is a solid starter.
Andrew's 220 BA & 13+ million dollar salary certainly won't be missed:dry:

gatorunvrsty

10-11-2007, 11:08 AM

I thought he and Bobby were both going to give it one more year then they both were going to retire.
Now is it no suprise that we went after Tex? This was Schuerholz's last effort for a run at the playoffs. I salute him and appreciate him for his effort.
Now maybe new ownership will be just what the Braves need to turn the corner next year. We still have bobby and all we truly need is a solid starter.
Andrew's 220 BA & 13+ million dollar salary certainly won't be missed:dry:

You know, it seems like they've been gradually getting away from what they used to do to build those good teams. The pitching has been erratic, to put it mildly; and I almost threw up when they got rid of pitchers who were great for us; especially since they continued to be good with the teams they're with now. Somebody really f'd up letting that happen, and trying to rely on too many young, but unproven pitchers.

Williams-Brice

10-11-2007, 11:10 AM

As much as I love Bobby Cox, it's the GM that wins baseball games. JS put some serious teams together. I highly recommed reading his book "Built to Win". It's amazing to see how he put these Braves teams together.

Early indications are that JS was not thrilled with the new ownership and that he may be going after another baseball opportunity. We'll see today. I guess if we don't hear the word "retirement" in his press conference, then we'll see him down the line with another organization.

Williams-Brice

10-11-2007, 11:11 AM

You know, it seems like they've been gradually getting away from what they used to do to build those good teams. The pitching has been erratic, to put it mildly; and I almost threw up when they got rid of pitchers who were great for us; especially since they continued to be good with the teams they're with now. Somebody really f'd up letting that happen, and trying to rely on too many young, but unproven pitchers.

Yeah, you really gotta read "Built to Win". He talks about all of the reasons why they just couldn't keep that pitching staff together.

gatorunvrsty

10-11-2007, 11:17 AM

Yeah, you really gotta read "Built to Win". He talks about all of the reasons why they just couldn't keep that pitching staff together.

I'd like to read it; and I'm sure it was quite expensive to try and keep all those star pitchers, but you'd have thought they'd at least try to hold onto either Glavine or Maddux; if, for no other reason than to provide some stability and mentoring for the young studs. They should have battled the Mets harder for Glavine... the numbers weren't even that far apart. I actually sided with Glavine when he suggested the Braves organization didn't know how to reward long-term loyalty.

D^3

10-11-2007, 11:50 AM

I'm shocked and stunned right now. Schuerholz was regarded as the greatest GM in baseball, and it was his unprecedented ability to make playoff-caliber teams out of nothing that got us our 14 straight titles. I can't believe this is happening. I thought with new ownership and a bigger budget, JS would try to get us back to where we were in 95. Braves are set to make an announcement at 3:30 pm.

Gator2753

10-11-2007, 12:11 PM

Schuerholz will remain with the Braves organization! Per atlantabraves.com he will become club president
The Official Site of The Atlanta Braves: News: Atlanta Braves News (http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071011&content_id=2260871&vkey=news_atl&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl)

Williams-Brice

10-11-2007, 12:12 PM

I'd like to read it; and I'm sure it was quite expensive to try and keep all those star pitchers, but you'd have thought they'd at least try to hold onto either Glavine or Maddux; if, for no other reason than to provide some stability and mentoring for the young studs. They should have battled the Mets harder for Glavine... the numbers weren't even that far apart. I actually sided with Glavine when he suggested the Braves organization didn't know how to reward long-term loyalty.

What happened with Glavine is very interesting, and the truth will really make you sick. I'll try to explain it the way I understand it after reading the book. Once again, I recommend reading it.

JS, Stan Kasten (former Braves president now with the Falcons), Glavine, and Glavine's agent tried forever to get a deal worked out. The Braves offered all they could, and Glavine was insulted. The four mentioned above met before Glavine signed with the Mets and talked for about 11 hours (I believe that's what it was). They just couldn't make things work, and the way the conversation went down left a bad taste in everyone's mouth. That being said, Glavine left the meeting essentially as a New York Met.

The day before Glavine left for New York to sign his deal, he called JS and told him he was having second thoughts and wanted to do whatever he had to to remain a Brave. He knew this would require taking the Braves deal and taking a pay cut from what the Mets were offering. At that point, JS drove to Glavine's house and met with Glavine and his wife. After establishing that Glavine did, indeed, want to remain a Brave, JS worked on getting a press conference set up in the very near future to announce that Glavine was staying.

The very next day, JS contacted Glavine, who told JS that he intended on signing with the Mets. He was about to board the plane. What happened was that the MLB Player's Union and his agent twisted his arm so much that they essentially forced him to sign with the Mets because he had previously agreed to their terms.

We know it's in the agent's best interest to get the bigger contract. It's also in the best interest for the MLBPA, too.

That's why Glavine is not a Brave. That's also probably a reason why Glavine just declined his option with the Mets.

Gator2753

10-11-2007, 12:13 PM

So now that Schuerholz is club prez, who will take over at GM?

Edit: Nevermind, his long-time assistant Frank Wren will be GM

Williams-Brice

10-11-2007, 12:14 PM

Gator2753

10-11-2007, 12:21 PM

Rumor has it that he may leaving his GM job in order to make acquiring Glavine(mets) and Santana(Twins) easier.
I can see how it might help in getting Glavine to come back but why Santana?
Oh well.

D^3

10-11-2007, 12:33 PM

Thank God! I was really worried.

By the way, you can bank on Glavine being back in a Braves' uniform. He wanted to come back to Atlanta last year but JS didn't have the funds to make him an offer. This year they do and sources say Glavine will take anywhere from 6-8 million to come back (he turned down 13 million from NY to come back for a year, fully knowing nobody else would offer him that).

Next year we will have Smoltz, Hudson and Glavine. I smell a world series.

roosterbooster

10-11-2007, 12:37 PM

I buddy just said something that made me ill. It was, "I wonder if it is because the yankees are firing Cashman and going after JS." It would be amazing what he could do with that checkbook, but I sure don't want to see it.

Thanks for the memories from a long suffering Braves fan.

Gator2753

10-11-2007, 12:38 PM

D^3

10-11-2007, 12:55 PM

Don't forget Santana...possibly

I'm trying not to get my hopes up, because with Smoltz, Santana, Hudson and Glavine we'd easily have the greatest starting rotation in baseball... again.

carwwest

10-11-2007, 01:42 PM

im crying on the inside...i think he did an unbelievable job for atlanta....i love the braves and im sorry to see him go....

D^3

10-11-2007, 01:51 PM

im crying on the inside...i think he did an unbelievable job for atlanta....i love the braves and im sorry to see him go....

Dude, he's not leaving.

scfan5338

10-11-2007, 02:15 PM

Next year we will have Smoltz, Hudson and Glavine. I smell a world series.

With Glavine? No way. Smoltz and Hudson is really good and Hudson had a great season this past year. They need bullpeen help and some hitting cause now Andruw is gone.

OmahaBound

10-11-2007, 02:29 PM

Where is this Santana talk coming from?

Gator2753

10-11-2007, 02:31 PM

Where is this Santana talk coming from?

lol. everywhere. Its no secret that the braves are after him. Who knows what Santana and his agent are really thinking though?

OmahaBound

10-11-2007, 02:41 PM

lol. everywhere. Its no secret that the braves are after him. Who knows what Santana and his agent are really thinking though?

Uhh, maybe in your neck of the woods buddy.:laugh:

If they're willing to spend that kind of cash now does that mean they'd consider going after ARod as well or would Chipper refuse to go back to LF?

gatorunvrsty

10-11-2007, 02:50 PM

D^3

10-11-2007, 03:33 PM

Uhh, maybe in your neck of the woods buddy.:laugh:

If they're willing to spend that kind of cash now does that mean they'd consider going after ARod as well or would Chipper refuse to go back to LF?

Just because you aren't plugged in up in SC doesn't mean we aren't down here. The Santana talk has been around for awhile.

D^3

10-11-2007, 03:37 PM

With Glavine? No way. Smoltz and Hudson is really good and Hudson had a great season this past year. They need bullpeen help and some hitting cause now Andruw is gone.

Do you even WATCH baseball? You should just quit posting in here. Really. Andruw was the worst part of our lineup last year. We need hitting because Andruw is gone? Are you stupid? I guess you didn't notice he was hitting 8th, with the worst batting average on the team(.222) and was an absolute rally killer. Guess you didn't notice Chipper Jones finished 2nd place for the NL batting title (missed it by 3 pts) and we also have a new slugger with Mark Teixeira, who hit 17 homers and averaged .317 with us. Add in the production of Francouer (who led the team with 105 RBI's), McCann, Kelly Johnson, Yunel Escobar, Matt Diaz.... wait, every position OTHER than center field produced last year.Yeah, losing Andruw is really going to hurt us. :wacko:

Glavine led the majors in quality starts... of course his last few starts weren't too hot, but hell, the mets were TERRIBLE, so you can't point fingers at him.

Oh and our bullpen was solid the second half of the season. Guess you missed that, too. Just go back to spouting off about your beloved Yankees and keep out of this thread, because you obviously haven't got a clue as to what you're talking about.

OmahaBound

10-11-2007, 04:16 PM

Just because you aren't plugged in up in SC doesn't mean we aren't down here. The Santana talk has been around for awhile.

You mean there's more talk about the Braves in Ga than in the rest of the country? Holy Crap!!! Great insight, Doug.

Instead of turning everything into a pissing match why don't you add some value to the discussion. How are the Braves planning to get him? Are they really opening up the warchest and throwing $25+ mil his way or are they hoping to trade for him now and hope for a discount next winter if he loves it?

If they're going for a trade, what kind of top prospects would the Braves give up (since obviously it's going to take a lot)?

Feel free to start another thread and ask a mod to move the Santana questions if this getting too off topic for everyone. Even with giving up the GM title you know John is going to have a huge impact any of these decisions so I figured it's vaguely related, hehe.:happy:

D^3

10-11-2007, 04:17 PM

You mean there's more talk about the Braves in Ga than in the rest of the country? Holy Crap!!! Great insight, Doug.

Instead of turning everything into a pissing match why don't you add some value to the discussion. How are the Braves planning to get him? Are they really opening up the warchest and throwing $25+ mil his way or are they hoping to trade for him now and hope for a discount next winter if he loves it?

If they're going for a trade, what kind of top prospects would the Braves give up (since obviously it's going to take a lot)?

Feel free to start another thread and ask a mod to move the Santana questions if this getting too off topic for everyone. Even with giving up the GM title you know John is going to have a huge impact any of these decisions so I figured it's vaguely related, hehe.:happy:

Was I not the one who said I wasn't getting my hopes up about Santana??? No... in fact I didn't even say it was likely to happen! But there has been trade rumors that the braves were interested in him.

Gator2753

10-11-2007, 04:59 PM

We have options. With Andrew leaving we have lots more money now. Another option being discussed is trading Renty and letting Yunnel Escobar play SS. Escobar will command much less money than Edgar. Add that to the fact that our payroll is supposed to increase by $10 mil due to new ownership.
Well go after a Center fielder and two starters and if we get rid of Renty...I see us throwing the bank at 2 or 3 players, Glavine included.
I would prefer to keep Renty. His bat would be sorley missed at the SS position. Willie Harris is an up and coming outfielder and could easily take over a CF.
My hopeful lineup would look like this next year.
LF Diaz
CF Harris
RF Francouer
3B Chipper
SS Renty
2B Johnson/Escobar
1B Tex
C Mcann

This way we could throw some money at some quality starters. Our problem last year was no consistency after our #1 & #2 pitchers.

D^3

10-11-2007, 05:17 PM

Dude, why would you not bat Chipper/Tex back to back? that's what makes them so effective. You can't pitch around them, they both switch hit.

Gator2753

10-11-2007, 05:25 PM

Dude, why would you not bat Chipper/Tex back to back? that's what makes them so effective. You can't pitch around them, they both switch hit.

That wasn't really a batting order, just a position list.:thumpsup:

Williams-Brice

10-11-2007, 06:45 PM

Willie Harris probably won't be around from what I'm hearing. We may be looking to go after Aaron Rowand.

scfan5338

10-11-2007, 08:37 PM

Willie Harris probably won't be around from what I'm hearing. We may be looking to go after Aaron Rowand.

Aaron Rowand is a stud. I still remember that one play of hit running into the fence go after that fly ball in Philly and busting his nose or whatever. He is a great defensive player no doubt about it.

scfan5338

10-11-2007, 08:44 PM

Do you even WATCH baseball? You should just quit posting in here. Really. Andruw was the worst part of our lineup last year. We need hitting because Andruw is gone? Are you stupid? I guess you didn't notice he was hitting 8th, with the worst batting average on the team(.222) and was an absolute rally killer. Guess you didn't notice Chipper Jones finished 2nd place for the NL batting title (missed it by 3 pts) and we also have a new slugger with Mark Teixeira, who hit 17 homers and averaged .317 with us. Add in the production of Francouer (who led the team with 105 RBI's), McCann, Kelly Johnson, Yunel Escobar, Matt Diaz.... wait, every position OTHER than center field produced last year.Yeah, losing Andruw is really going to hurt us. :wacko:

Glavine led the majors in quality starts... of course his last few starts weren't too hot, but hell, the mets were TERRIBLE, so you can't point fingers at him.

Oh and our bullpen was solid the second half of the season. Guess you missed that, too. Just go back to spouting off about your beloved Yankees and keep out of this thread, because you obviously haven't got a clue as to what you're talking about.

I'm sorry I dont keep up with the Braves. National League is a joke anyways, I'd rather keep up with the American League. I can talk about whatever the hell I want because it's not like you can go around telling people what they can post and what they can't. I know plenty about baseball so why don't you shut your mouth.

In all seriousness, who is yall's closer?? After Wickman went down and they realized him I think Soriano was named the closer maybe? Is he going to be the full-time closer? What's the news on Mike Hampton? If he's actually healthy he can help the Braves out big time.

D^3

10-11-2007, 09:01 PM

It will either be Rafael Soriano or Manny Acosta. Mike Hampton is supposed to be back but we aren't counting on him because he hasn't pitched in almost 2 years. He'll be pitching in a winter league this off-season.

If you knew plenty about baseball you would keep up with both leagues.

D^3

10-11-2007, 09:08 PM

Willie Harris probably won't be around from what I'm hearing. We may be looking to go after Aaron Rowand.

I can't fathom us going after Rowand.... too much $$$. Word is we're looking for someone to fill in for 1-2 years until that center fielder we've got down in A-league that has folks talkin (I can't remember his name) is ready to come up to the bigs.

scfan5338

10-11-2007, 09:17 PM

I can't fathom us going after Rowand.... too much $$$. Word is we're looking for someone to fill in for 1-2 years until that center fielder we've got down in A-league that has folks talkin (I can't remember his name) is ready to come up to the bigs.

Brandon Jones? He's killing it in AA ball.