Lester Decision Near

[TigerEyes1914]

Decision near on Lester - Tracking the Tigers - al.com (http://blog.al.com/trackingtigers/2007/09/decision_near_on_lester.html)

Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville said Thursday morning that he hopes to get final word on tailback Brad Lester's status "in the next 48 hours or so."

Lester, expected to be Auburn's starting tailback, has not played this season because of what has been termed an academic issue. Tuberville said the decision is out of his hands. He said it would be a surprise if Lester is available for Saturday's game against New Mexico State at Jordan-Hare Stadium.

"I don't know if that's a reality, dealing with what we are dealing with," Tuberville said. "We'd like to get a little closure on it and give him some idea of what he's doing."

Tuberville said Lester is physically ready to play if he is cleared.

"He's practiced," Tuberville said. "He could play this afternoon. I don't know whether that is going to happen or not."

Tuberville said there is nothing more to do but wait for the final verdict.

"All we've done is do everything we can do and let the people who make the decision make it," Tuberville said.

Lester was suspended for last year's game against Nebraska in the Cotton Bowl and has remained suspended through games against Kansas State, South Florida and Mississippi State.

[WarEagle73]

I'll be glad to get matter settled once and for all. I hope he gets to play but I kind of have a feeling he's done.:sad:

[TigerEyes1914]

I dont know WE73. I would like to think that if was that bleak, he would have transferred already or at least he wouldnt be practicing with the team. Either way it goes, he has been a great and exciting player to watch over the years and I wish him the best!

[WarEagle73]

The only reason I think he might be finished is due to the rumor I've been hearing about allegations of plagiarism on his part on an assignment. I have no idea if this is what has had him in the dog house for such an extended period of time, but if it is then this might not turn out good.

[TigerEyes1914]

Yea the issue of plagarism is correct but I think there must be more than what we are hearing. I hear it was a group project and the teacher accused them of plagarism and gave them the opportunity to correct it. Apparently the students felt that their work was honest and refused to make the corrections. Sounds like odd behavior if you are guilty. Lester seems to have stood by the belief that he was innocent and chose to go through the due process. He sure has put alot on the line if he is guilty, since is seems that this would have been avoided had they simply re-written the paper. Either he should be applauded for standing by what he felt was the right thing to do, or he should be expelled simply for being a dim wit! Tubbs is all about character so I'm gonna side with the former and hope for the best.

[WarEagle73]

Yea the issue of plagarism is correct but I think there must be more than what we are hearing. I hear it was a group project and the teacher accused them of plagarism and gave them the opportunity to correct it. Apparently the students felt that their work was honest and refused to make the corrections. Sounds like odd behavior if you are guilty. Lester seems to have stood by the belief that he was innocent and chose to go through the due process. He sure has put alot on the line if he is guilty, since is seems that this would have been avoided had they simply re-written the paper. Either he should be applauded for standing by what he felt was the right thing to do, or he should be expelled simply for being a dim wit! Tubbs is all about character so I'm gonna side with the former and hope for the best.

That's a good attitude to have. Let's wait and see what comes out before jumping to any conclusions.

[zorak34]

I'm very upset with this whole thing to begin with. I'm tired of waiting to figure out if he is going to play this year or not. Hopefully they will drop this thing and allow him to play. Next year when he starts I bet you he gets over a thousand yards rushing!

[Sabama]

If it took this long to clear, the guy obviously is a gangster cheater. Time to move on.

[thethird]

If it took this long to clear, the guy obviously is a gangster cheater. Time to move on.

As a lame bammer, I guess you'd know all about gangsters with all the activities on the strip these days.

Can't forget pistol packing MaraJuwana Simpson either.

[Sabama]

Yeah well...our minor incidents haven't hurt us and you are suffering not having your #1 RB....cry me a river

[thethird]

Yeah well...our minor incidents haven't hurt us and you are suffering not having your #1 RB....cry me a river

Exactly, at AU when you screw up, your going to sit. At ALA when you screw up, you run laps and get slapped on the wrist. :thumpsup:

[timNem]

Exactly, at AU when you screw up, your going to sit. At ALA when you screw up, you run laps and get slapped on the wrist. :thumpsup:
:laugh: oh my side!

[gatorunvrsty]

Exactly, at AU when you screw up, your going to sit. At ALA when you screw up, you run laps and get slapped on the wrist. :thumpsup:

:laugh: Please, III, we all know you can't screw up at AU. If you get caught after the athletic department goes out of its way to cover up all the academic cheating, they have no choice but to give you a timeout. If your professor says you cheated, and he'd like you to re-submit your project, he's already giving you a second chance after catching you. If you refuse, you're too stupid to be saved, and you belong in the corner with the dunce cap on.

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x163/dan_gale/pic.jpg

[thethird]

:laugh: Please, III, we all know you can't screw up at AU. If you get caught after the athletic department goes out of its way to cover up all the academic cheating, they have no choice but to give you a timeout. If your professor says you cheated, and he'd like you to re-submit your project, he's already giving you a second chance after catching you. If you refuse, you're too stupid to be saved, and you belong in the corner with the dunce cap on.

Marcus Thomas is all I have to say to that.

[gatorunvrsty]

[QUOTE=gatorunvrsty;281624]:laugh: Please, III, we all know you can't screw up at AU. If you get caught after the athletic department goes out of its way to cover up all the academic cheating, they have no choice but to give you a timeout. If your professor says you cheated, and he'd like you to re-submit your project, he's already giving you a second chance after catching you. If you refuse, you're too stupid to be saved, and you belong in the corner with the dunce cap on.[/QUOTE=gatorunvrsty;281624]

Marcus Thomas is all I have to say to that.

Are you referring to the millionaire pot-smoker? At least he wasn't born an idiot... he smoked his way to idiocy.:laugh:

[timNem]

James Brooks. Nothing tops that or ever will.

[thethird]

Are you referring to the millionaire pot-smoker? At least he wasn't born an idiot... he smoked his way to idiocy.:laugh:

What's even funnier is how long Thomas got away with it and how many slaps on the wrist he had to endure. Meyers milked him till he HAD to kick him off the team. So I don't think Gator fans have any room to speak on discipling "thugs".

[gatorunvrsty]

What's even funnier is how long Thomas got away with it and how many slaps on the wrist he had to endure. Meyers milked him till he HAD to kick him off the team. So I don't think Gator fans have any room to speak on discipling "thugs".

We've http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/images/smilies/dedhorse.gif. I don't know if it was before you joined or not; but Gator guys posted results and everything showing he only had the one confirmed positive test. A subsequent test was given before the THC had a chance to leave his system from the first time. He wasn't actually kicked off the team for smoking again... he was dismissed because he didn't abide by Meyer's condition that he attend recovery meetings. He missed one, and Meyer cut him.

[AUChamps]

James Brooks. Nothing tops that or ever will.
James Brooks is in the same class of ppl as Eric Ramsey. I have no respect for those 2 men specifically as well as Ramsey's now ex-wife Twillita. Yeah I probably did misspell her name but do I look like I really care? Folks like them did harm toward the Auburn Football program and dragged a lot of good ppl's names though the dirt. Ramsey and Brooks are not seen favorably at Auburn for being what I consider traitors or not even real supporters of AU in the 1st place.

I hope you're hearing what I'm saying here because I believe that I am echoing the sentiments of several of my fellow Auburn brethren regarding Brooks and Ramsey. The Illiterate Liar and the "Keepin it down home cuz" BS was all done to make Auburn look as bad as they could and still get money/playing time. Who cares if you run the legacies of great coaches into the ground right? It's all about the money and the playing.

[shk999]

What's even funnier is how long Thomas got away with it and how many slaps on the wrist he had to endure. Meyers milked him till he HAD to kick him off the team. So I don't think Gator fans have any room to speak on discipling "thugs[B]".

Are the Gators using the holy spirit to win games? Does the NCAA know about this?

[dcbama]

Are the Gators using the holy spirit to win games? Does the NCAA know about this?

Ha! Tebow did grow up in a family full of missionaries!

[dcbama]

James Brooks. Nothing tops that or ever will.

Robert Baker is another great example. That kid was using his dorm room to run more coke than the medellin cartel did in the 80's

[TigerEyes1914]

You guys are talking about AU players from the 70s, 80s early 90s (as if your players from this era were any better) and comparing them against your current/recent players. I guess some programs grow while others maintain a "business as usual" approach. What coach in the SEC can compare to Tubbs rep for running a clean program? UA and UF arent even in that discussion! Say...isnt there a forum for trash talking?

[gatorunvrsty]

You guys are talking about AU players from the 70s, 80s early 90s (as if your players from this era were any better) and comparing them against your current/recent players. I guess some programs grow while others maintain a "business as usual" approach. What coach in the SEC can compare to Tubbs rep for running a clean program? UA and UF arent even in that discussion! Say...isnt there a forum for trash talking?

Where have you been? You're right... no coach can compare to how dirty TuberVile is when it comes to getting players qualified, especially UF's. We've been posting articles and stories about AU's crooked academic department for 9 months. UF and Vandy have the two most highly respected academic credentials and graduation rates in the conference; and a little research on your part will bear it out... even if you simply search this site.

[AUChamps]

You guys are talking about AU players from the 70s, 80s early 90s (as if your players from this era were any better) and comparing them against your current/recent players. I guess some programs grow while others maintain a "business as usual" approach. What coach in the SEC can compare to Tubbs rep for running a clean program? UA and UF arent even in that discussion! Say...isnt there a forum for trash talking?
There sure is. It's just funny when everyone wants to bash on Coach Dye's players and his tenure at Auburn without remembering that Pat was one of "Bear's Boys" and played college 'ball at UGA. You know who else were some of Bear's Boys? Jackie Sherrill, Charley Pell, Gene Stallings, Ray Perkins, and so on.

Face it, these great coaches learned from the "master". Just seems that the master's tricks stopped being so effective. We've all had our hands in rough players, players that brought down the legacies of great coaches, and outright cheating. Some of us take our whippings and move on making sure we don't repeat those mistakes...and then some have the audacity to step up and question the system in place as though when they get in trouble with the good ppl from Indianapolis, it's a Black Helicopter conspiracy involving a fat coach who apparently still holds a grudge toward the program coached by "master" referred to earlier in here because he said the fat coach's mom looked like a man.

[shk999]

Thats nice AUchamps, but fact is if you want to name off "The Masters" boys, your list should be alot longer than that one. Do you have ANY idea how many assistants "The Master" had from 1945 to 1982? Seriously? I would guess in upwards of 500 or more. Do you remember all that time Bama spent on probation while "The Master" coached there? Me neither. As for Pat Dye, blame Ramsey, his wife, their cousin, whoever but Dye brought it on himself as Terry Bowden later revealed, in detail. "Pay for Play" sound familar? Before you throw Stallings' name in there, you might want to do a little research my friend, does Antonio Langum and a contract signed on a napkin sound familar? Not quite the "Pay for Play" system huh? Bryant was a giant among men, but im not really sure how he has anything to do with Brad Lester's return, see ya.

[TigerEyes1914]

Where have you been? You're right... no coach can compare to how dirty TuberVile is when it comes to getting players qualified, especially UF's. We've been posting articles and stories about AU's crooked academic department for 9 months. UF and Vandy have the two most highly respected academic credentials and graduation rates in the conference; and a little research on your part will bear it out... even if you simply search this site.

That was a nice spin on the discussion gator...we were talking about character not graduation rates. Maybe I should have made my point more clearly... maybe this will help:

Two University of Florida athletes were suspended indefinitely Tuesday after each was arrested and charged with a felony after being caught in a drug sting. Brandon James, a sophomore running back, and Brandon Powell, a sophomore guard on the basketball team, were charged with felony purchase of narcotics and misdemeanor possession of narcotics. They were both arrested Monday night in Gainesville. That means no fewer than seven Gator football players have run afoul of the law since the Jan. 8 national-title win over Ohio State.

Here's a roundup of some of the recent legal problems for the Gators:

- Guard Ronnie Wilson was charged with two felonies and a misdemeanor for an April incident involving a gun in a parking lot near campus. Wilson was suspended indefinitely.

- Safety Dorian Munroe and the aforementioned James have each faced felony charges within the past three weeks. Munroe was charged with theft for removing a University Police Department boot from his car and putting it in his trunk.

- Cornerback Jacques Rickerson was charged with misdemeanor possession of marijuana. The case was later resolved without legal punishment.

- Safety John Curtis faces misdemeanor charges for a probation violation.

- Linebacker Dustin Doe was charged with misdemeanor affray (I have no idea what that means, but I think it's like disturbing the peace). The charges against Doe were later dropped.

- Safety Jamar Hornsby had a complaint filed against him after he "allegedly" threw a man onto the hood of a car in a Gainesville parking lot.

The problem with all these legal issues is that it isn't the first time Urban Meyer's boys have run a bit wild; here's a list of problems from 2006:

- Wide receiver Kenneth Tookes discharged a gun into an occupied apartment while three other current and former Gator players were with him.

- The above mentioned John Curtis was charged with possession of an alcoholic beverage by a minor and sentenced to five days of community service, which he failed to do. A warrant was later issued for his arrest and not executed until four months later (conveniently after spring practice).

- Receiver Louis Murphy was charged with marijuana possession.

- Starting defensive tackle Marcus Thomas was kicked off the team last season after he failed three (THREE?!?!) drug tests.

Now I'm not sure about this, but I think if the Gators incur two more felony charges, the entire roster officially becomes the property of the Bengals.

Now, look, I know this isn't all Urban's fault, and sure, teams that win national titles often have players who feel they are above the law, but this is an alarming trend. It's not what they are doing; it's how many of them are doing it. Hopefully the culture of crime that surrounded the University of Miami in the late 80s/early 90s doesn't make its way to Gainesville, but right now it doesn't look good

When it comes to character, UF doesnt deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Auburn! You should feel honored that we still let you wear orange and blue!:glare:

[gatorunvrsty]

That was a nice spin on the discussion gator...we were talking about character not graduation rates. Maybe I should have made my point more clearly... maybe this will help:



When it comes to character, UF doesnt deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Auburn! You should feel honored that we still let you wear orange and blue!:glare:

Hey, genius, whether or not your players are actually students is indicative of character, too. And, TuberVile is about as classy as the Bowdens. Your "university" IS one of the NCAA's most penalized schools in history, and our conference's most egregious offender. 7 major infraction cases, even as recently as '04. https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/LSDBi/LSDBi.MajorInfPackage.SearchAndDisplayList?p_Schoo l1=auburn&p_School_Num1=&p_School2=southeastern&p_School_Num2=&p_Case_Division=0&p_Date_Radio=1&p_Month1=JAN&p_Day1=1&p_Year1=1953&p_Month2=SEP&p_Day2=21&p_Year2=2007&p_Sport1=Any&p_SportAndOr_1=0&p_Sport2=Any&p_SportAndOr_2=0&p_Sport3=Any&p_TV_Penalty=10&p_Postseason_Penalty=10&p_Probation_Penalty=10&p_Division=0&p_bylaw_radio1=0&p_Bylaw=0&p_Article=&p_Contains_Clause1=1&p_SearchWords1=&p_Inword1=heading&p_Boolean1=and&p_Contains_Clause2=1&p_SearchWords2=&p_Inword2=heading&p_Boolean2=and&p_Contains_Clause3=1&p_SearchWords3=&p_Inword3=heading&p_Button=Go+Search From all signs, y'all are lining up against the wall for another firing squad, as all the revelations about your "student-athletes" continue to come to light. Auburn is lucky they're even allowed to still participate in athletics beyond an intramural level... more than a few folks have them getting the Death Penalty the next time something happens. UF, on the other hand, has had 4 major infractions; the last one in '90. https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/LSDBi/LSDBi.MajorInfPackage.SearchAndDisplayList?p_Schoo l1=university+of+florida&p_School_Num1=&p_School2=southeastern&p_School_Num2=&p_Case_Division=0&p_Date_Radio=1&p_Month1=JAN&p_Day1=1&p_Year1=1953&p_Month2=SEP&p_Day2=21&p_Year2=2007&p_Sport1=Any&p_SportAndOr_1=0&p_Sport2=Any&p_SportAndOr_2=0&p_Sport3=Any&p_TV_Penalty=10&p_Postseason_Penalty=10&p_Probation_Penalty=10&p_Division=0&p_bylaw_radio1=0&p_Bylaw=0&p_Article=&p_Contains_Clause1=1&p_SearchWords1=&p_Inword1=heading&p_Boolean1=and&p_Contains_Clause2=1&p_SearchWords2=&p_Inword2=heading&p_Boolean2=and&p_Contains_Clause3=1&p_SearchWords3=&p_Inword3=heading&p_Button=Go+Search As for allowing anyone to wear Orange and Blue... y'all never deserved the colors in the first place... and don't to this day. AU represents what little is wrong with the SEC. That, and the truly delusional fans that still try to ride the high horse, and think their program and school are upper crust (thankfully, they're the minority).

[DonAU1124]

Hey, genius, whether or not your players are actually students is indicative of character, too. And, TuberVile is about as classy as the Bowdens. Your "university" IS one of the NCAA's most penalized schools in history, and our conference's most egregious offender. 7 major infraction cases, even as recently as '04. https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/LSDBi/LSDBi.MajorInfPackage.SearchAndDisplayList?p_Schoo l1=auburn&p_School_Num1=&p_School2=southeastern&p_School_Num2=&p_Case_Division=0&p_Date_Radio=1&p_Month1=JAN&p_Day1=1&p_Year1=1953&p_Month2=SEP&p_Day2=21&p_Year2=2007&p_Sport1=Any&p_SportAndOr_1=0&p_Sport2=Any&p_SportAndOr_2=0&p_Sport3=Any&p_TV_Penalty=10&p_Postseason_Penalty=10&p_Probation_Penalty=10&p_Division=0&p_bylaw_radio1=0&p_Bylaw=0&p_Article=&p_Contains_Clause1=1&p_SearchWords1=&p_Inword1=heading&p_Boolean1=and&p_Contains_Clause2=1&p_SearchWords2=&p_Inword2=heading&p_Boolean2=and&p_Contains_Clause3=1&p_SearchWords3=&p_Inword3=heading&p_Button=Go+Search From all signs, y'all are lining up against the wall for another firing squad, as all the revelations about your "student-athletes" continue to come to light. Auburn is lucky they're even allowed to still participate in athletics beyond an intramural level... more than a few folks have them getting the Death Penalty the next time something happens. UF, on the other hand, has had 4 major infractions; the last one in '90. https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/LSDBi/LSDBi.MajorInfPackage.SearchAndDisplayList?p_Schoo l1=university+of+florida&p_School_Num1=&p_School2=southeastern&p_School_Num2=&p_Case_Division=0&p_Date_Radio=1&p_Month1=JAN&p_Day1=1&p_Year1=1953&p_Month2=SEP&p_Day2=21&p_Year2=2007&p_Sport1=Any&p_SportAndOr_1=0&p_Sport2=Any&p_SportAndOr_2=0&p_Sport3=Any&p_TV_Penalty=10&p_Postseason_Penalty=10&p_Probation_Penalty=10&p_Division=0&p_bylaw_radio1=0&p_Bylaw=0&p_Article=&p_Contains_Clause1=1&p_SearchWords1=&p_Inword1=heading&p_Boolean1=and&p_Contains_Clause2=1&p_SearchWords2=&p_Inword2=heading&p_Boolean2=and&p_Contains_Clause3=1&p_SearchWords3=&p_Inword3=heading&p_Button=Go+Search As for allowing anyone to wear Orange and Blue... y'all never deserved the colors in the first place... and don't to this day. AU represents what little is wrong with the SEC. That, and the truly delusional fans that still try to ride the high horse, and think their program and school are upper crust (thankfully, they're the minority).


WOW, I didnt know Tuberville was the Basketball coach too.
The good thing for Florida, is the NFL loves players that are criminals, so your team can still send plenty of players to the NFL.

[TigerEyes1914]

Hey, genius, whether or not your players are actually students is indicative of character, too:offtopic:

Ok SpinDoctor, which one of our players is not actually a student and how are you the only one that knows this? I would think the NCAA would have something in their rules that prohibits that wouldnt ya think?

more than a few folks have them getting the Death Penalty the next time something happens

You actually tried to defend your position with a list of NCAA infractions dating back to 1957. More than a few folks are calling UF the New Miami...in 2007! Does anything more need to be said? You're all over the map on this Gator and I dont really blame you. Trying to debate the character of the current UF football program with the current AU football program is like bringing rocks to a gun fight. Keep chunking em gator, your bound to hit something sooner or later.:sinking:

[gatorunvrsty]

WOW, I didnt know Tuberville was the Basketball coach too.
The good thing for Florida, is the NFL loves players that are criminals, so your team can still send plenty of players to the NFL.

Which ones would that be again... of the 18 that went pro last year? Thomas? That it? And, I'd definitely prefer to have guys who smoke a little grass in college (since almost everyone does anyway), than a team full of guys who won't even be able to hold down a job at McDonald's if their pro career goes south. Oh, and I seem to have read somewhere that the football coach is a member of the athletic department. That the basketball team is only the most recent group to be placed on probation is secondary to the overall academic environment there. It's the football team who has been blasted lately; and ironically, it's AU's own faculty setting off the majority of the charges (pun and allusion intended).

[DonAU1124]

Which ones would that be again... of the 18 that went pro last year? Thomas? That it? And, I'd definitely prefer to have guys who smoke a little grass in college (since almost everyone does anyway), than a team full of guys who won't even be able to hold down a job at McDonald's if their pro career goes south. Oh, and I seem to have read somewhere that the football coach is a member of the athletic department. That the basketball team is only the most recent group to be placed on probation is secondary to the overall academic environment there. It's the football team who has been blasted lately; and ironically, it's AU's own faculty setting off the majority of the charges (pun and allusion intended).

Ok, you can keep telling yourself that all of AU's football players couldnt make it at any other University if you want, if thats what makes you feel better about it. Just like the only reason AU beat Florida last year was because of bad Ref's, the blocked punt and the sacks and Au's defensive play in the 2nd half had absolutely nothing to do with it.

The fact is Auburn is ranked in the top of the country in Student Atheletes graduating, and all the crap that some pissed off professor wants to spew to the NY newspapers or whoever else dont mane the accusations are true. There are athelets at every school that takes the easiest subjects they can to get through and if you think it dont happen at your beloved Florida, then your blinded by the love.

[gatorunvrsty]

Ok, you can keep telling yourself that all of AU's football players couldnt make it at any other University if you want, if thats what makes you feel better about it. Just like the only reason AU beat Florida last year was because of bad Ref's, the blocked punt and the sacks and Au's defensive play in the 2nd half had absolutely nothing to do with it.

The fact is Auburn is ranked in the top of the country in Student Atheletes graduating, and all the crap that some pissed off professor wants to spew to the NY newspapers or whoever else dont mane the accusations are true. There are athelets at every school that takes the easiest subjects they can to get through and if you think it dont happen at your beloved Florida, then your blinded by the love.

I didn't say athletes at UF didn't take "crip" courses... only that our athletic department isn't constantly interfering with the academic one, and manipulating scores and grades to achieve their goal. Meyer is usually quite selective about prospects' ability to make the grade... literally and figuratively. He will make some exceptions from time to time, and give a lackluster student a shot; but Tubs seems to make that the rule, and would prefer to change the standards to be able to compete; rather than target the good students or provide the kind of assistance necessary to make his players good ones.

[WarEagle73]

I didn't say athletes at UF didn't take "crip" courses... only that our athletic department isn't constantly interfering with the academic one, and manipulating scores and grades to achieve their goal. Meyer is usually quite selective about prospects' ability to make the grade... literally and figuratively. He will make some exceptions from time to time, and give a lackluster student a shot; but Tubs seems to make that the rule, and would prefer to change the standards to be able to compete; rather than target the good students or provide the kind of assistance necessary to make his players good ones.

Can you please tell us exactly how Tubberville has interfered with, manipulated, or influenced scores and grades of players? I would like to see the proof to support this serious accusation. Something that shows him or anyone from the athletic department being involved with grade fixing? I think if they had that degree of sway over Auburn University academics then we would not be waiting to hear if the STARTING tailback would be able to play in the fourth week of the season.

[gatorunvrsty]

:offtopic:

Ok SpinDoctor, which one of our players is not actually a student and how are you the only one that knows this? I would think the NCAA would have something in their rules that prohibits that wouldnt ya think?



You actually tried to defend your position with a list of NCAA infractions dating back to 1957. More than a few folks are calling UF the New Miami...in 2007! Does anything more need to be said? You're all over the map on this Gator and I dont really blame you. Trying to debate the character of the current UF football program with the current AU football program is like bringing rocks to a gun fight. Keep chunking em gator, your bound to hit something sooner or later.:sinking:

You guys have a football program? :blink: Maybe Tubs has finally decided to play a few students... it definitely appears he's playing the debate team (you do have a debate team, right). You, most certainly, are a masturdebator; and, as such, figured you must have one.

And the only people calling UF the new Miami are the eunuchs with ring-envy. When is the last time UF players were involved with taking money, cars, jewelry, getting in brawls on the field, getting murdered, etc.? But, you get an A for effort with the mountain/molehill thing. Congratulations, you get an A... something the football players are getting accustomed to hearing, but rarely earning.

[WarEagle73]

You guys have a football program? :blink: Maybe Tubs has finally decided to play a few students... it definitely appears he's playing the debate team (you do have a debate team, right). You, most certainly, are a masturdebator; and, as such, figured you must have one.

And the only people calling UF the new Miami are the eunuchs with ring-envy. When is the last time UF players were involved with taking money, cars, jewelry, getting in brawls on the field, getting murdered, etc.? But, you get an A for effort with the mountain/molehill thing. Congratulations, you get an A... something the football players are getting accustomed to hearing, but rarely earning.

This post really disappoints me. I invited you to share with us the evidence you have concerning Tubberville fixing grades and such. Instead it seems you are more concerned with hurling sophomoreish insults at Auburn. Wile I don't agree that Florida is the next Miami I also don't buy your accusation that Auburn's coaching staff are padding scores for athletes. In other words this thread has decomposed into an asinine round and round that serves no purpose other than to raise animosity between yourself and Don. You both took a left turn away from reality several posts ago.

[gatorunvrsty]

Can you please tell us exactly how Tubberville has interfered with, manipulated, or influenced scores and grades of players? I would like to see the proof to support this serious accusation. Something that shows him or anyone from the athletic department being involved with grade fixing? I think if they had that degree of sway over Auburn University academics then we would not be waiting to hear if the STARTING tailback would be able to play in the fourth week of the season.

We had this debate months ago, and posted numerous articles and transcripts from the AU staff and faculty that leveled the accusations in the first place. It's replete with accounts of Tubby and co. interfering with how they grade and judge the football players, and pressure them to treat them differently. Most of the more serious accusations are contained in the lawsuit, and confirmed by numerous other faculty members. I think the degree of sway he holds over the academic department may be the reason you've seen Lester play at all. This one just can't be covered up, as it's a group project, and too many other people are involved. That part is only speculation, of course, and AU may, in fact, be trying to shore up their reputation and practices; but, this has been an ongoing point of contention for a long time, and I'm merely repeating what has occurred within AU's own staff, academic and athletic.

[WarEagle73]

We had this debate months ago, and posted numerous articles and transcripts from the AU staff and faculty that leveled the accusations in the first place. It's replete with accounts of Tubby and co. interfering with how they grade and judge the football players, and pressure them to treat them differently. Most of the more serious accusations are contained in the lawsuit, and confirmed by numerous other faculty members. I think the degree of sway he holds over the academic department may be the reason you've seen Lester play at all. This one just can't be covered up, as it's a group project, and too many other people are involved. That part is only speculation, of course, and AU may, in fact, be trying to shore up their reputation and practices; but, this has been an ongoing point of contention for a long time, and I'm merely repeating what has occurred within AU's own staff, academic and athletic.


OK, I see we have accusations from staff and faculty. But what is missing is actually evidence. Were there any real evidence it would have been presented to the NCAA months ago and Auburn would currently be on it's way to severe NCAA sanctions. An accusation is just that and not evidence. When dealing with matters such as this you have to put aside your natural prejudice towards anything Auburn and look at it objectively. I believe you are referring to the Sociology scandal that occurs months ago. That was not a class made up of the Auburn football team. In fact it involved regular non-althlete students. Why would Tubberville have any reason to help them out? Also the accusation was that the teacher was giving credits to students who did no more than assigned reading to improve their grade. The coaching staff had nothing to do with this.

[gatorunvrsty]

OK, I see we have accusations from staff and faculty. But what is missing is actually evidence. Were there any real evidence it would have been presented to the NCAA months ago and Auburn would currently be on it's way to severe NCAA sanctions. An accusation is just that and not evidence. When dealing with matters such as this you have to put aside your natural prejudice towards anything Auburn and look at it objectively. I believe you are referring to the Sociology scandal that occurs months ago. That was not a class made up of the Auburn football team. In fact it involved regular non-althlete students. Why would Tubberville have any reason to help them out? Also the accusation was that the teacher was giving credits to students who did no more than assigned reading to improve their grade. The coaching staff had nothing to do with this.

A sworn statement from staff is evidence; and that's only the tip of the iceberg, really. But, you're right, all the other misdeeds are only accusations at this point, but one has to wonder why one school is getting all the publicity. Where there's smoke... you know. Only in an environment where that's prolific would questions constantly be raised. And, I think the NCAA has gotten a great deal of the accounts and accusations. We all know they are notoriously slow in their investigations, and the leveling of charges and penalties. That's what I meant when I inferred that there may be trouble just over the horizon. It just sems to be an ongoing thing. Very little time passes without another high profile story about AU academic troubles. As for the coaching staff, the part of the lawsuit transcript that was posted awhile back named Tubs specifically as the instigator of the demands on the faculty; and several members gave the impression, in sworn statements, that he ruled with an iron fist, and that any deviation from his prescribed treatment for his players would result in some very unfortunate consequences and repercussions for the staff member who strayed from the line.

[TigerEyes1914]

You guys have a football program? :blink:

You still lurking around on our thread?:flame:

[thethird]

WOW, gatorunvrsty and WarEagle73 just went at it. Good posts on both parts.

A week from this Saturday. :thumpsup: