Guys... I'm finally throwing in the towel.

[AU Blaaaaaaaake]

I can no longer defend Brandon Cox. To be honest I had a feeling the season may turn this way if Brandon didn't regain his confidence, but it certainly seems like Brandon has lost the little confidence he had in his throwing ability.

Brandon's limited mobility is severely handicapping our offense and I'm not sure if thats the only reason or if Borges is just not as creative as he once was.


Basically, you guys were right. Brandon Cox is not a championship caliber QB and never will be.

And the saddest part is, Coach Tuberville is way too stubborn to bench a 5th year senior and start working on the future of our program. We have 2 athletic QB's who more than likely won't see a down this season, and will be forced to get their growing pains next year.

Brandon Cox is the left-handed version of Drew Weatherford, nothing more nothing less. It sucks having to come to this realization, but I just hope that we can salvage this season and that somehow our other QB's get a shot at some playing time. There is no way they could be any worse.

/rant.

[WAR DAMN EAGLE]

For the last two years I have watched other teams running exciting and creative plays and thought to myself "why can't Auburn run some of those plays?". So many times I have watched QB's run out of the pocket, scramble around, get outside, and make time for a receiver to get open or tuck the ball and take off.

Cox has absolutely no ability to make something out of nothing, when under pressure he either tucks the ball in and gets smashed to hell or throws an INT. I could give 2 shits if we win another game this year besides the Bama game. What I would like to see is coach Tub man up, take the shirt off the QB of the future and let him get some damn game experience so that next year has a chance to be something besides another "rebuilding year". WAR EAGLE anyway.

[HitYourStride!]

I feel ya, the only hope you have if he gets injured, when he gets hit just pray he doesn't get up. That's how I felt about Darby last year.

[C_hris]

I feel ya, the only hope you have if he gets injured, when he gets hit just pray he doesn't get up. That's how I felt about Darby last year.

Thats kinda mean don't ya think.

[lacene]

This seems a little knee-jerk, isn't it? Don't you want to see if he can rebound, or make some adjustments? What if he has an outstanding game against MSU next week? Auburn will most likely be 3-1 going into their game with UF...you probably will want an experienced QB who knows how to beat the Gators for that game.

If Cox still continues to struggle, I'm sure Tubs will make a move, but I would wait by mid-season before making it....

[AU Blaaaaaaaake]

This seems a little knee-jerk, isn't it? Don't you want to see if he can rebound, or make some adjustments? What if he has an outstanding game against MSU next week? Auburn will most likely be 3-1 going into their game with UF...you probably will want an experienced QB who knows how to beat the Gators for that game.

If Cox still continues to struggle, I'm sure Tubs will make a move, but I would wait by mid-season before making it....



Do you remember the last time Auburn had an impressive OFFENSIVE performance against a quality opponent?

Still thinking?

You could say Wash. St, but really the 2005 Iron Bowl was the last time AU had a dominant offensive performance. Thats more than a year since we last showed any sign of offensive creativity.

This is no knee jerk reaction.

[HitYourStride!]

Thats kinda mean don't ya think.

wait until you have one person on your team that you know is holding it back, but the coach won't bench him because he's a Senior, and then tell me if it is mean.

[TDArkansasOhmy]

AU Blaaaaaake, I can't believe IM saying this. But I feel for you man. There I said it. I know as sure as McDonalds will be open tomorrow, that if this was Arkansas in Auburns shoes, You and your ban of TD Haters would be kicking my nuts to a pulp. Not even letting me get my breath. But today is a new day and I can forgive those who wreaked my character and good name. For I am a voice of reason, sanity and for the American way.

"Look, up in the sky, it's a bird, it's a plane, no it TDArkansasOHmy!"
a friend to the weak, a pal to the timid and a termanator of head coaches who shove Gerbils up their Butts.

Blaaaaaaake, How many time have I tried to tell you that this guys off the field habits will one day come back to ruin the program you and other love so much?

Maybe this will make you pain subside for a brief moment. "War Gerbil"
Funny Mantas - Joe Cartoon (http://www.joecartoon.com/cartoons/70-gerbil_mantras)

[WAR DAMN EAGLE]

wait until you have one person on your team that you know is holding it back, but the coach won't bench him because he's a Senior, and then tell me if it is mean.The truth is that when Cox eventually does get mangled this year the blood will be on Tub's and Borgis' hands. When you have an O-line that is not up to par and a QB that moves about as fast as potato on Xanax, it is just a matter of time.

Duck and cover Brandon, when you see those linebackers coming duck and cover buddy.

[lLandonhog]

The truth is that when Cox eventually does get mangled this year the blood will be on Tub's and Borgis' hands. When you have an O-line that is not up to par and a QB that moves about as fast as potato on Xanax, it is just a matter of time.

Duck and cover Brandon, when you see those linebackers coming duck and cover buddy.

I agree... Cox will get hurt. I can't help but look forward to seeing our DL and LBs play the Tigers. Cox was gettting killed last year, and I expect more of the same this year.

Give Burns a shot, Tommy...

[AU Blaaaaaaaake]

AU Blaaaaaake, I can't believe IM saying this. But I feel for you man. There I said it. I know as sure as McDonalds will be open tomorrow, that if this was Arkansas in Auburns shoes, You and your ban of TD Haters would be kicking my nuts to a pulp. Not even letting me get my breath. But today is a new day and I can forgive those who wreaked my character and good name. For I am a voice of reason, sanity and for the American way.

"Look, up in the sky, it's a bird, it's a plane, no it TDArkansasOHmy!"
a friend to the weak, a pal to the timid and a termanator of head coaches who shove Gerbils up their Butts.

Blaaaaaaake, How many time have I tried to tell you that this guys off the field habits will one day come back to ruin the program you and other love so much?

Maybe this will make you pain subside for a brief moment. "War Gerbil"
Funny Mantas - Joe Cartoon (http://www.joecartoon.com/cartoons/70-gerbil_mantras)



Since when am I a TD hater? When you first came to SECTalk all you did was flame but this "second coming" has been much better.

[WarEagle73]

I logged into SEC Talk today with the intent to post a thread saying just about word for work what Blake has said. I've defended Cox here and he has made a fool out of me. I thought last year was all because of injuries that limited his playing. I was wrong. He had protection last night, he had a running game going as well. Everyone else around him did their job. He didn't and that cost us in the end. I can forgive Mario Fannin for his two fumbles in the second half. He is a freshman and you can expect them to make freshmen mistakes. Cox however has been there for over five years. He is older than several NFL QB's. Last night he looked like he'd never padded up before in his life. It's time to give someone else a try. The rest of the team played well enough last night that Auburn could have and should have won. This game should never have been in doubt. It's not fair to this team to expect them to go to practice all week and then give blood, sweat & tears for 60 minutes on Saturday wile the team is having to pull Cox's dead weight. This game I blame on Cox. If it happens again then I blame Tubberville for keeping him as the starter. If we were to try our young super star from Arkansas (can't think of his name right now casue I'm so disgusted) the worst he can do is cost us a game. Seems to me that is no worse than what Brandon Cox did last night.

[TDArkansasOhmy]

I logged into SEC Talk today with the intent to post a thread saying just about word for work what Blake has said. I've defended Cox here and he has made a fool out of me. I thought last year was all because of injuries that limited his playing. I was wrong. He had protection last night, he had a running game going as well. Everyone else around him did their job. He didn't and that cost us in the end. I can forgive Mario Fannin for his two fumbles in the second half. He is a freshman and you can expect them to make freshmen mistakes. Cox however has been there for over five years. He is older than several NFL QB's. Last night he looked like he'd never padded up before in his life. It's time to give someone else a try. The rest of the team played well enough last night that Auburn could have and should have won. This game should never have been in doubt. It's not fair to this team to expect them to go to practice all week and then give blood, sweat & tears for 60 minutes on Saturday wile the team is having to pull Cox's dead weight. This game I blame on Cox. If it happens again then I blame Tubberville for keeping him as the starter. If we were to try our young super star from Arkansas (can't think of his name right now casue I'm so disgusted) the worst he can do is cost us a game. Seems to me that is no worse than what Brandon Cox did last night.

Kodi Burns

[AUChamps]

I blame Brandon's condition. Myasthenia Gravis.

[DanielW4444]

I think y'all should use Burns in the ways that UF used Tebow last year and LSU is using Perriloux

[AUcarlton]

I dont think Cox should be on the field at all after his poor performance in these last two non-conference games. I mean, he even had time in the pocket this time. The offensive line did a whole lot better than when we played K-State and even when he had time in the pocket he still threw interceptions. I thought he would bounce back this game, but I was wrong. Sit down Cox.

[SECorBust]

Dissention in the ranks: If it wasn't so pathetically sad I'd be all over it.

[UA0509]

i think burns will be given a chance if it continues much longer.

i overheard a nice conversation on the topic while on my way back from nashville today.

[crimsonnation713]

The truth is that when Cox eventually does get mangled this year the blood will be on Tub's and Borgis' hands. When you have an O-line that is not up to par and a QB that moves about as fast as potato on Xanax, it is just a matter of time.

Duck and cover Brandon, when you see those linebackers coming duck and cover buddy.

We ( Bama ) know your pain. After Croyle went down and then returned the next year , he wasn't the same. He was gun shy and from watching Cox, hes doing the exact same thing Brodie did. He scared and you cant really blame him. Shula has blood all over him. Not just his hands. Ask Tyrone Prothro.
Tubby has to pull the plug on this thing now or you guys are going to suffer greatly. Believe me...the Tide nation knows.

[WAR DAMN EAGLE]

Cox might as well have a E.R bed reserved on the night of the LSU game.

[GatorNation]

Do you remember the last time Auburn had an impressive OFFENSIVE performance against a quality opponent?

Still thinking?

You could say Wash. St, but really the 2005 Iron Bowl was the last time AU had a dominant offensive performance. Thats more than a year since we last showed any sign of offensive creativity.

This is no knee jerk reaction.


And let's not forget: USF is the real deal this year. That is a totally acceptable loss for Auburn, imo.

[WarEagle73]

And let's not forget: USF is the real deal this year. That is a totally acceptable loss for Auburn, imo.



You are correct in saying that USF is for real. They came and won @ Jordan Hare on a Saturday night and that doesn't happen much. My hats off to them for getting it done. I would have an easier time accepting the loss had it not been so avoidable for Auburn. We beat ourselves with pathetic play @ the QB position and freshman mistakes from Fannin @ tailback. I can understand Fannin's mistakes, he's a freshman, that's what they do. But Cox has no excuse. He's not hurt, other than a bruise on his right shoulder (He's a lefty though). The line protected him. The running game was rolling along as well. Cox had everything going around him that he needed to be successful but yet he still laid an egg. Cox simply cannot sustain a drive. He cannot read a defense that is lined up in front of him. He throws up desperation throws and then ducks. I think it's time to give the freshman Kodi burns a try. If he costs us a game then that is no worse than what Cox has already done. I don't think Blake Field can cut it. If they refused to put him in last year when Cox could barely walk that tells me he's not ready for prime time. It might hurt Auburn in the short term by playing Kodi burns but it will pay off in the long term by going ahead and letting him learn the true speed and tempo of the game. Also, with him being a threat to run it will give Auburn a threat that teams will have to adjust to. If they go ahead and put burns in that will give him two games to get ready for our trip to Florida.

[AuburnPawnTiger]

I am afraid we are stuck with Brandon. Tubberville will not make a move unless Brandon is hurt very badly. I am sure Borges wants a different guy back there. Brandon is making Borges look like a JV coach and his stock as a potential head coach is falling fast. This is not Borges' offense it is a Tubberville watered down version. Winning with defense and special teams and ball control is great but when you turn it over 5 times it is almost impossible to win. It's not so much I want to see Kodi back there, hell I'll take anybody. Blake Field, or Neil Caudle can't play any worse. Brandon was 5th string at Auburn through 2003 and the spring of 2004. We had Calvin Booker(transfer), Jason Campbell(grad.) Kelcy Luke(transfer)Courtney Denson(transfer) Dusty Goodwin(dropped out) Brandon Cox(still on the team) and Blake Field during that span. He was basically given the job do to attrition. I swear to god I feel like I am being robbed the past to times I have seen the Tigers play.

I WANT A CHANGE

[crimsonnation713]

If Tubby doesn't make a change, you guys are going to be in trouble and either one of two things is going to happen: 1) Cox miraculously snaps outta this or 2) he plays scared the rest of the season and gets his clock cleaned.

[DEHIII]

Blake,

I think a lot of Cox's problems is the o-line. The guy is simply waiting to get killed. The chuck and duck he had the other night, had to be embarrasing to all Auburn fans.

If the o-line comes along Cox will improve. There are a lot of offensive problems right now for AU, but I don't expect AU to play this bad every week. However, you guys should be in most games because of that defense. There is no answer for Groves. Also your kicker is darn good for a frosh.

But as for Cox, I listed him in the bottom half of QBs in the SEC at the begining of the year and I certainly stand by that. He just doesn't have the arm and coupled with that o-line he might not be stepping into many balls.

BTW, if I were CTT I would start getting Burns playing time. Cox is getting hit way too much and he might not be able to play all 12 games. And you also need to get ready for next season because that is certainly paying off for UF right now. Not to mention it would give Cox a break from the beating going on right now.

And finally, us Alabama fans know about stubborn coaches. Please see Shula the jumbo package and Ken Darby. :laugh:

[WarEagle73]

One of my buddies just told me he read on Rivals that barring any injuries Kodi Burns will red shirt this year. Hate to say this but Tubberville is screwing up IMO. :brick:

[DEHIII]

One of my buddies just told me he read on Rivals that barring any injuries Kodi Burns will red shirt this year. Hate to say this but Tubberville is screwing up IMO. :brick:

I completely and totally understand wanting to red shirt a kid. But just about every Aub I have talked to or seen post, expect Burns to be your starter next year.

If that is the case, I agree with you, that is very stupid. The kid needs some game experience. Meyer did a great job of getting Tebow that experience last year. CTT could do the same. I think this will hurt AU if they don't get the guy into some games and let him get some playing time. You would still have 3 years with the guy.

[WarEagle73]

I completely and totally understand wanting to red shirt a kid. But just about every Aub I have talked to or seen post, expect Burns to be your starter next year.

If that is the case, I agree with you, that is very stupid. The kid needs some game experience. Meyer did a great job of getting Tebow that experience last year. CTT could do the same. I think this will hurt AU if they don't get the guy into some games and let him get some playing time. You would still have 3 years with the guy.

You just hit the nail on the head!! Get him out there. :thumpsup:

[AU Blaaaaaaaake]

Blake,

I think a lot of Cox's problems is the o-line. The guy is simply waiting to get killed. The chuck and duck he had the other night, had to be embarrasing to all Auburn fans.

If the o-line comes along Cox will improve. There are a lot of offensive problems right now for AU, but I don't expect AU to play this bad every week. However, you guys should be in most games because of that defense. There is no answer for Groves. Also your kicker is darn good for a frosh.

But as for Cox, I listed him in the bottom half of QBs in the SEC at the begining of the year and I certainly stand by that. He just doesn't have the arm and coupled with that o-line he might not be stepping into many balls.

BTW, if I were CTT I would start getting Burns playing time. Cox is getting hit way too much and he might not be able to play all 12 games. And you also need to get ready for next season because that is certainly paying off for UF right now. Not to mention it would give Cox a break from the beating going on right now.

And finally, us Alabama fans know about stubborn coaches. Please see Shula the jumbo package and Ken Darby. :laugh:



DEHIII-

While I agree with you that the OL is developing and messing up at times, they are already grading out better than last year. The strangest part about the OL is, the side with the Freshman starters is grading out better than Dunlaps side.

If you end up catching them on CSS, watch our game versus USF on replay. Brandon has had more than enough time on his passes to get the ball out, but often spends too much time zeroing in on one receiver.



I'm not giving up on this season and especially not this program. I'm just giving up on defending Brandon and hoping that he will become a championship winning leader. If he so happens to snap out of this terrible slump and win a couple of our away games, great, but I would put our chances of winning the SEC west at slim to none, regardless of how good LSU is.

[The Ramp]

is it the whole line that sucks? i mean is Dunlap playing well? what about that freshman from Ark (starts with a Z)?

[DonAU1124]

is it the whole line that sucks? i mean is Dunlap playing well? what about that freshman from Ark (starts with a Z)?

From all indications, Zeimba is playing better than Dunlap

[WarEagle73]

is it the whole line that sucks? i mean is Dunlap playing well? what about that freshman from Ark (starts with a Z)?

Wile the offensive line play in the K State game was woeful they played much better against USF. They blocked well enough that Auburn had over 100 yards rushing and two touchdowns in the first half. They protected Cox effectively. They gave up only one sack in the game and that was in the second half and caused by Brandon cox holding onto the ball. The offensive line improved enough to allow Auburn a chance to win. I do not fault them at all in what happened Saturday night. They did their job. Cox didn't.

[timNem]

Wile the offensive line play in the K State game was woeful they played much better against USF. They blocked well enough that Auburn had over 100 yards rushing and two touchdowns in the first half. They protected Cox effectively. They gave up only one sack in the game and that was in the second half and caused by Brandon cox holding onto the ball. The offensive line improved enough to allow Auburn a chance to win. I do not fault them at all in what happened Saturday night. They did their job. Cox didn't.
The O line looked much improved but it seemed to me that the playcalling had no rhyme or reason to it. And maybe that had something to do with the coaching losing faith in Cox. What is the situation with the backup QBs, is Caudle still injured?

[The Ramp]

From all indications, Zeimba is playing better than Dunlap

what position is he playing? is he starting?

[WarEagle73]

The O line looked much improved but it seemed to me that the playcalling had no rhyme or reason to it. And maybe that had something to do with the coaching losing faith in Cox. What is the situation with the backup QBs, is Caudle still injured?

I'm not sure about Caudle's condition. I know that Blake Field is listed as the second string QB. And that isn't good IMO. He was the second string last year and instead of putting him in when cox could barley walk they kept him on the bench. that tells me he can't be that good. I've been hearing really good things about Kodi Burns. He is dual threat in the mold of Vick (minus the dogs) and Tebow. I think they should at least put him in some like Florida did with Tebow last year.

[crimsonnation713]

One of my buddies just told me he read on Rivals that barring any injuries Kodi Burns will red shirt this year. Hate to say this but Tubberville is screwing up IMO. :brick:

Totally right 73. IMHO if Tubby redshirts Burns, its the kiss of death for you guys unless Cox comes around quick and IMO I dont think thats gonna happen because the kids head is messed up big time.

[GaryB]

If losing a game would help out the AU program, Mississippi State would be much obliged to offer our services this coming Sat-tiddy. :wave:

Some how, in some way...I feel your pain...

[WarEagle73]

If losing a game would help out the AU program, Mississippi State would be much obliged to offer our services this coming Sat-tiddy. :wave:

Some how, in some way...I feel your pain...

Wile I do appreciate the offer I'll have to respectfully decline. Were auburn to lose to MSU this weekend that might just case an irreparable tear in the space - time continuum that would result in the total destruction of the universe.

Kidding aside I'll never wish bad on my team no matter what. I do hope Cox can turn it around (doubt it though). What we need is a change @ the QB position.

BTW... Welcome to the board!! :wave:

[The Ramp]

Wile I do appreciate the offer I'll have to respectfully decline. Were auburn to lose to MSU this weekend that might just case an irreparable tear in the space - time continuum that would result in the total destruction of the universe.

Kidding aside I'll never wish bad on my team no matter what. I do hope Cox can turn it around (doubt it though). What we need is a change @ the QB position.

BTW... Welcome to the board!! :wave:

u think that ensminger is kicking himself for transferrring? he could've seen some PT this year (a long shot)

[WarEagle73]

Totally right 73. IMHO if Tubby redshirts Burns, its the kiss of death for you guys unless Cox comes around quick and IMO I dont think thats gonna happen because the kids head is messed up big time.

For Cox's sake I hope his illness isn't returning. but that might explain why he's been struggling so much. Either way for his sake and the teams they need to bench him or at least spell him with Burns.

[WarEagle73]

u think that ensminger is kicking himself for transferrring? he could've seen some PT this year (a long shot)

I think he made the right decision. He was fouth in line @ QB. He has a much better chance at playing at La. Tech.

[iacolb12]

You know, why not play Burns? If he should turn out to be a phenom you'd only see him for two or three years anyway. Everyone who thinks they can make the top three rounds jumps ship early.

So why not?

[azamugg]

I don't believe Caudle will play a down this year or maybe never for Auburn.....he's pretty much been injured since half way through his junior year in high school.......how he made the Elite 11 I'll never know, Caudle is as fragile as they come.......don't think Fields should be the next guy, AU might as well begin getting Burns ready mentally to play, give him reps in practice and work him into the games

[blues_cap]

If losing a game would help out the AU program, Mississippi State would be much obliged to offer our services this coming Sat-tiddy. :wave:

Some how, in some way...I feel your pain...

you guys have had more coaches fired than any team in the nation. there was one that used to coach at uf that the bull puppies ran out of town and for this, i say thank you.

[UA0509]

you guys have had more coaches fired than any team in the nation. there was one that used to coach at uf that the bull puppies ran out of town and for this, i say thank you.

same for us

[AUChamps]

same for us
Yeah, they call that being Croom'd. Jackie never had that ability to break the backs of mediocre coaches.

[usafbamafan]

A very hearty thank you to Miss St.

It's kinda like medicine; Tastes bitter going down but your better off for having taken it.:laugh:

[TigerJunkie420]

Well, after watching the most embarrassing and gut-wrenching experience I've seen since the Georgia game, I figured there are MANY different aspects of the team that we should blame. I think it all starts with the coaching, first and foremost. TT should have made the correct adjustments and done ANYTHING to score points. Can't he see that we are striving for points in a close, close game? It is his fault, as the leader of the team, that we only scored three damn points in the second half to an obvious inferior opponent.

(and don't give me that bullshit that USF is simply a better team than AU. No, they are not. They do NOT recruit the way Auburn does. No excuse for losing that game and I am furious)

The second aspect of the team that I blame for this is Brad Lester. He is our workhorse, and everyone is counting on him to produce yards (which we ALL know he can do) and first downs. He has made horrendous decisions though, therefore hurting his draft status + destroying the Auburn offensive gameplan.

Not running the ball well + Auburn's playbook = 100% FAILURE

I am just getting all of my hostility out here (don't mind me, I'm still pissed) because I went to another site and spilled my guts like I am now, and got nothing but criticism and complete disapproval from "most" of the Auburn fanbase. I think the problem was that it was a national board and they were defending their "e-reputation" and trying to look "good" instead of being an Auburn Tiger. I feel as if I fit in more in the SEC board. Anyway...!

It's sad that a selected few people think that Lester would have been jammed up the middle like Tate was, and wouldn't totally change the outcome of the game. Allow me to elaborate:

1) Lester hits the hole at 100 mph.
1) Tate is fat and slow.
2) Lester can run east and west when the middle is jammed with LBs.
2) Tate runs east and west on every single play, and is too slow to make something happen.
3) Lester is better than Kenny Irons.
3) Tate is better than Tre Smith.
4) Lester completes the running game and fits perfectly into the AU scheme.
4) Tate puts our human punching bag QB in third and long situations with a young O-line.
5) Fannin will be great in the future, but he better achieve greatness soon, or we will lose 6 games.

Ok, finally down the last person I blame for AU's lack in production. It comes to no surprise, and most of the AU nation can probably agree with me (except for the Tuberville clones, you know who you are) Brandon Cox.

He is absolutely terrible and makes the worst decisions ANY quarterback in the nation would make. Not to mention he is a senior and the oldest player on the AU roster. He is too slow and immobile to be the starting QB for a running team who has a weak running game and a young O-line. That, my friend, is an absolute recipe for DISASTER. Hardheaded Auburn coaches need to get it through their f*cking head:

As long as Cox is the starter, and Lester is out, WE. WILL. LOSE.

Is it really that difficult to fathom? I mean, why am I seeing delusional nightmares of the LSU and Florida defensive lineman dominating us? Maybe because it is to come if the coaches do not make changes? Yes.

I am not the damn coach, therefore I don't know what exactly they should do. But I do know this... I would be trying everything POSSIBLE to score points (and stick with it). It should be obvious by now that this scheme and gameplan just isn't working anymore. And quite frankly, hasn't worked for as long as I remember.

Bottom line is... Come Saturday, Cox is still throwing atrocious INTs and the coaches leave him in, I will lose absolute respect for Tuberville and promote his firing. I also loathe Muschamp, but will not get into that right now because we have QG. And as long as we have Groves on the team, we will be ok in that area. It is just totally inexcusable because we recruit better than anyone in the country and should NOT lose to inferior opponents.

I could go on forever, but I have a feeling you already know that.

/rant over

[uscgamecock]

For the last two years I have watched other teams running exciting and creative plays and thought to myself "why can't Auburn run some of those plays?". So many times I have watched QB's run out of the pocket, scramble around, get outside, and make time for a receiver to get open or tuck the ball and take off.

Cox has absolutely no ability to make something out of nothing, when under pressure he either tucks the ball in and gets smashed to hell or throws an INT. I could give 2 shits if we win another game this year besides the Bama game. What I would like to see is coach Tub man up, take the shirt off the QB of the future and let him get some damn game experience so that next year has a chance to be something besides another "rebuilding year". WAR EAGLE anyway.

even blake mitchell can roll out of the pocket.... well at least this season

[DonAU1124]

Well, after watching the most embarrassing and gut-wrenching experience I've seen since the Georgia game, I figured there are MANY different aspects of the team that we should blame. I think it all starts with the coaching, first and foremost. TT should have made the correct adjustments and done ANYTHING to score points. Can't he see that we are striving for points in a close, close game? It is his fault, as the leader of the team, that we only scored three damn points in the second half to an obvious inferior opponent.

(and don't give me that bullshit that USF is simply a better team than AU. No, they are not. They do NOT recruit the way Auburn does. No excuse for losing that game and I am furious)

The second aspect of the team that I blame for this is Brad Lester. He is our workhorse, and everyone is counting on him to produce yards (which we ALL know he can do) and first downs. He has made horrendous decisions though, therefore hurting his draft status + destroying the Auburn offensive gameplan.

Not running the ball well + Auburn's playbook = 100% FAILURE

I am just getting all of my hostility out here (don't mind me, I'm still pissed) because I went to another site and spilled my guts like I am now, and got nothing but criticism and complete disapproval from "most" of the Auburn fanbase. I think the problem was that it was a national board and they were defending their "e-reputation" and trying to look "good" instead of being an Auburn Tiger. I feel as if I fit in more in the SEC board. Anyway...!

It's sad that a selected few people think that Lester would have been jammed up the middle like Tate was, and wouldn't totally change the outcome of the game. Allow me to elaborate:

1) Lester hits the hole at 100 mph.
1) Tate is fat and slow.
2) Lester can run east and west when the middle is jammed with LBs.
2) Tate runs east and west on every single play, and is too slow to make something happen.
3) Lester is better than Kenny Irons.
3) Tate is better than Tre Smith.
4) Lester completes the running game and fits perfectly into the AU scheme.
4) Tate puts our human punching bag QB in third and long situations with a young O-line.
5) Fannin will be great in the future, but he better achieve greatness soon, or we will lose 6 games.

Ok, finally down the last person I blame for AU's lack in production. It comes to no surprise, and most of the AU nation can probably agree with me (except for the Tuberville clones, you know who you are) Brandon Cox.

He is absolutely terrible and makes the worst decisions ANY quarterback in the nation would make. Not to mention he is a senior and the oldest player on the AU roster. He is too slow and immobile to be the starting QB for a running team who has a weak running game and a young O-line. That, my friend, is an absolute recipe for DISASTER. Hardheaded Auburn coaches need to get it through their f*cking head:

As long as Cox is the starter, and Lester is out, WE. WILL. LOSE.

Is it really that difficult to fathom? I mean, why am I seeing delusional nightmares of the LSU and Florida defensive lineman dominating us? Maybe because it is to come if the coaches do not make changes? Yes.

I am not the damn coach, therefore I don't know what exactly they should do. But I do know this... I would be trying everything POSSIBLE to score points (and stick with it). It should be obvious by now that this scheme and gameplan just isn't working anymore. And quite frankly, hasn't worked for as long as I remember.

Bottom line is... Come Saturday, Cox is still throwing atrocious INTs and the coaches leave him in, I will lose absolute respect for Tuberville and promote his firing. I also loathe Muschamp, but will not get into that right now because we have QG. And as long as we have Groves on the team, we will be ok in that area. It is just totally inexcusable because we recruit better than anyone in the country and should NOT lose to inferior opponents.

I could go on forever, but I have a feeling you already know that.

/rant over

You may get some Auburn fans on here to go along with you, and if you had posted this on Sunday I would probably be one of them. But today, not buying it.

I am just as pissed as every other Auburn fan at Brandon Cox, he has looked like crap for the first 2 games, but I think we have to stick with him. If Fields was any good he would already be in there and we wouldnt be talking about this. Brandon is 20-6 and he has made some clutch plays for us over the last few years, so I am going to wait and see what happens this week.

Wanting to fire Tuberville is just flat out STUPID!!!!!!!
I am not even going to comment on that stupid crap any more. If you want be someone that likes to fire the HC because of a couple of bad games, join the Bama bandwagon.

Muschamp????? Are you serious??????
QC is the only thing we have on 'D'??????????
I am starting to think maybe you are a Bama fan in disguise.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/lillith13/loll.gif

[TigerJunkie420]

You may get some Auburn fans on here to go along with you, and if you had posted this on Sunday I would probably be one of them. But today, not buying it.

I am just as pissed as every other Auburn fan at Brandon Cox, he has looked like crap for the first 2 games, but I think we have to stick with him. If Fields was any good he would already be in there and we wouldnt be talking about this. Brandon is 20-6 and he has made some clutch plays for us over the last few years, so I am going to wait and see what happens this week.

Wanting to fire Tuberville is just flat out STUPID!!!!!!!
I am not even going to comment on that stupid crap any more. If you want be someone that likes to fire the HC because of a couple of bad games, join the Bama bandwagon.

Muschamp????? Are you serious??????
QC is the only thing we have on 'D'??????????
I am starting to think maybe you are a Bama fan in disguise.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k186/lillith13/loll.gif

20-6 doesn't mean shit unless we can start Mario Fannin every game and give him 20+ carries, which we can not. Therefore Cox is doomed for failure in the backfield with no effective RB. And don't EVER call me an Alabama fan. I hate Bama. I am just simply sick of Tuberville's bullshit. He never has the guys ready for some games, and we always lose games we are not supposed to. The only reason why our defense is good is because Quentin Groves, Jerraud Powers, Tray Blackmon, etc. THE PLAYERS. NOT the coaches. Will Muschamp is the INVENTOR of "The Big Play", and you should know this if you've watched every AU game by now. Look for big plays from whoever we play, just like you saw in the first two games so far. We just don't have the "shutdown D" that we once had with Gene Chizik (13-0, #1 defense in the country).

Our defense is nothing like:

Alabama, Virginia Tech, Miami, Rutgers, UGA, Texas, LSU, and many more.

I just wish we had a great defensive coach like all of these schools do. We have the talent to be the #1 shutdown defense in the nation, yet we lack the play-calling. Do you not remember the Georgia game? Well, I was there and it was the most horrendous game I've ever been to. I felt like they were going to run for 20+ yards on every single play. The LBs were simply TOO FAR AWAY from the line of scrimmage. With Chizik, we would shut out MSU. Let's see how Muschamp does. Look for big plays, we will NOT shut them out like LSU did.

...Not to mention that Muschamp was Saban's DC, therefore Saban knows everything about him. Don't think that he won't use that against us in the Iron Bowl. I'm just feeling very uneasy about this Auburn team. If we rest every game on our defense and expect them to do all the work, we will lose 6 games this year.

[ThatGuy]

I can no longer defend Brandon Cox. To be honest I had a feeling the season may turn this way if Brandon didn't regain his confidence, but it certainly seems like Brandon has lost the little confidence he had in his throwing ability.

Brandon's limited mobility is severely handicapping our offense and I'm not sure if thats the only reason or if Borges is just not as creative as he once was.


Basically, you guys were right. Brandon Cox is not a championship caliber QB and never will be.

And the saddest part is, Coach Tuberville is way too stubborn to bench a 5th year senior and start working on the future of our program. We have 2 athletic QB's who more than likely won't see a down this season, and will be forced to get their growing pains next year.

Brandon Cox is the left-handed version of Drew Weatherford, nothing more nothing less. It sucks having to come to this realization, but I just hope that we can salvage this season and that somehow our other QB's get a shot at some playing time. There is no way they could be any worse.

/rant.


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO QUITTER!!!!

[EYETRE]

I am convinced that Brandon is having serious vision problems that almost ended his career a couple of years ago. His confidence is completely shattered at this point.

[TigerJunkie420]

I am convinced that Brandon sucks after his performance in the first two games.

[nooneLT]

I am convinced that Brandon sucks after his performance in the first two games.

no, please...tell us how you really feel about brandon:laugh:

[shk999]

20-6 doesn't mean shit unless we can start Mario Fannin every game and give him 20+ carries, which we can not. Therefore Cox is doomed for failure in the backfield with no effective RB. And don't EVER call me an Alabama fan. I hate Bama. I am just simply sick of Tuberville's bullshit. He never has the guys ready for some games, and we always lose games we are not supposed to. The only reason why our defense is good is because Quentin Groves, Jerraud Powers, Tray Blackmon, etc. THE PLAYERS. NOT the coaches. Will Muschamp is the INVENTOR of "The Big Play", and you should know this if you've watched every AU game by now. Look for big plays from whoever we play, just like you saw in the first two games so far. We just don't have the "shutdown D" that we once had with Gene Chizik (13-0, #1 defense in the country).

Our defense is nothing like:

Alabama, Virginia Tech, Miami, Rutgers, UGA, Texas, LSU, and many more.

I just wish we had a great defensive coach like all of these schools do. We have the talent to be the #1 shutdown defense in the nation, yet we lack the play-calling. Do you not remember the Georgia game? Well, I was there and it was the most horrendous game I've ever been to. I felt like they were going to run for 20+ yards on every single play. The LBs were simply TOO FAR AWAY from the line of scrimmage. With Chizik, we would shut out MSU. Let's see how Muschamp does. Look for big plays, we will NOT shut them out like LSU did.

...Not to mention that Muschamp was Saban's DC, therefore Saban knows everything about him. Don't think that he won't use that against us in the Iron Bowl. I'm just feeling very uneasy about this Auburn team. If we rest every game on our defense and expect them to do all the work, we will lose 6 games this year.

Roll Tide Roll! :thumpsup:

[WarEagle73]

20-6 doesn't mean shit unless we can start Mario Fannin every game and give him 20+ carries, which we can not. Therefore Cox is doomed for failure in the backfield with no effective RB. And don't EVER call me an Alabama fan. I hate Bama. I am just simply sick of Tuberville's bullshit. He never has the guys ready for some games, and we always lose games we are not supposed to. The only reason why our defense is good is because Quentin Groves, Jerraud Powers, Tray Blackmon, etc. THE PLAYERS. NOT the coaches. Will Muschamp is the INVENTOR of "The Big Play", and you should know this if you've watched every AU game by now. Look for big plays from whoever we play, just like you saw in the first two games so far. We just don't have the "shutdown D" that we once had with Gene Chizik (13-0, #1 defense in the country).

Our defense is nothing like:

Alabama, Virginia Tech, Miami, Rutgers, UGA, Texas, LSU, and many more.

I just wish we had a great defensive coach like all of these schools do. We have the talent to be the #1 shutdown defense in the nation, yet we lack the play-calling. Do you not remember the Georgia game? Well, I was there and it was the most horrendous game I've ever been to. I felt like they were going to run for 20+ yards on every single play. The LBs were simply TOO FAR AWAY from the line of scrimmage. With Chizik, we would shut out MSU. Let's see how Muschamp does. Look for big plays, we will NOT shut them out like LSU did.

...Not to mention that Muschamp was Saban's DC, therefore Saban knows everything about him. Don't think that he won't use that against us in the Iron Bowl. I'm just feeling very uneasy about this Auburn team. If we rest every game on our defense and expect them to do all the work, we will lose 6 games this year.



Get a grip man. We've lost ONE game. Do we have problems? Yep, if not we'd 2-0 and ranked #1 in the nation. Can we fix them? Yep. Do we just abandon all hope and declare the season a disaster after one freaking loss? NO! Did you notice that your post resulted in a "R.T." from a bama fan!?!?! :azz:
The measure of a fan isn't made when your team is on top and everything is going the way you want. The true measure of a fan is when your team is down and times are rough. Look at yourself and see where you stand. Yes, we need to make adjustments. They will be made. Yes the team needs to improve. They will with time and experience. We are not some second tier wannabe. We are Auburn. When we get knocked down we get up and come back fighting with everything we have. When times are tough we keep fighting. I'm with them, are you?

WIN, LOSE, OR DRAW...WAR DAMN EAGLE!

[shk999]

Get a grip man. We've lost ONE game. Do we have problems? Yep, if not we'd 2-0 and ranked #1 in the nation. Can we fix them? Yep. Do we just abandon all hope and declare the season a disaster after one freaking loss? NO! Did you notice that your post resulted in a "R.T." from a bama fan!?!?! :azz:
The measure of a fan isn't made when your team is on top and everything is going the way you want. The true measure of a fan is when your team is down and times are rough. Look at yourself and see where you stand. Yes, we need to make adjustments. They will be made. Yes the team needs to improve. They will with time and experience. We are not some second tier wannabe. We are Auburn. When we get knocked down we get up and come back fighting with everything we have. When times are tough we keep fighting. I'm with them, are you?



...........and the Home Of The BRAAAAAAVE!!! :laugh: Just kidding 73, great post and I couldnt agree more, in the SEC you do get "knocked down" but its up to you how you handle it.

[Sabanocchio]

Excellent post, 73.

[GeauxTo]

Brandon, Brandon I've been thinking,
You look like a Punk.
Brandon, Brandon I've been thinking,
You smell like a Skunk.
Brandon, Brandon I've been thinking,
You can't throw a Pass.
Brandon, Brandon I've been thinking,
You're often on your Azz.
Brandon, Brandon I've been thinking,
Things can't get much worse.
But if they do, let me suggest,
that you hit 'em with your Purse!
:tongue:

[WarEagle73]

...........and the Home Of The BRAAAAAAVE!!! :laugh: Just kidding 73, great post and I couldnt agree more, in the SEC you do get "knocked down" but its up to you how you handle it.

Thanks Shk (and Sab). Seems like some are starting to panic and I'm trying to remind folks how to conduct themselves.

[Bear4ever RTR]

I tell you fellers what, I aint never seen nothin funnier than that scardy cat act that old Cox was doing saturday night. Hell, no wonder he coulnt throw, he was gonna run backwards till the damn play was over. He was duckin and coverin like he thought the Ruskies had done launched on him. They gonna have a hard time gettin him to come out of the lockerroom for the LSU game.

[shk999]

I tell you fellers what, I aint never seen nothin funnier than that scardy cat act that old Cox was doing saturday night. Hell, no wonder he coulnt throw, he was gonna run backwards till the damn play was over. He was duckin and coverin like he thought the Ruskies had done launched on him. They gonna have a hard time gettin him to come out of the lockerroom for the LSU game.

Settle down barner.

[TigerJunkie420]

Get a grip man. We've lost ONE game. Do we have problems? Yep, if not we'd 2-0 and ranked #1 in the nation. Can we fix them? Yep. Do we just abandon all hope and declare the season a disaster after one freaking loss? NO! Did you notice that your post resulted in a "R.T." from a bama fan!?!?! :azz:
The measure of a fan isn't made when your team is on top and everything is going the way you want. The true measure of a fan is when your team is down and times are rough. Look at yourself and see where you stand. Yes, we need to make adjustments. They will be made. Yes the team needs to improve. They will with time and experience. We are not some second tier wannabe. We are Auburn. When we get knocked down we get up and come back fighting with everything we have. When times are tough we keep fighting. I'm with them, are you?

WIN, LOSE, OR DRAW...WAR DAMN EAGLE!

2004 was the year of the players. This is simply the year of the coach. We will see how everything pans out sooner or later. WAR DAMN EAGLE!

[TigerJunkie420]

Brandon, Brandon I've been thinking,
You look like a Punk.
Brandon, Brandon I've been thinking,
You smell like a Skunk.
Brandon, Brandon I've been thinking,
You can't throw a Pass.
Brandon, Brandon I've been thinking,
You're often on your Azz.
Brandon, Brandon I've been thinking,
Things can't get much worse.
But if they do, let me suggest,
that you hit 'em with your Purse!
:tongue:

Is that Anal Cunt lyrics?

[TigerJunkie420]

I tell you fellers what, I aint never seen nothin funnier than that scardy cat act that old Cox was doing saturday night. Hell, no wonder he coulnt throw, he was gonna run backwards till the damn play was over. He was duckin and coverin like he thought the Ruskies had done launched on him. They gonna have a hard time gettin him to come out of the lockerroom for the LSU game.

:jawdrop: .

[carwwest]

are you the same tigerjunkie420 that posts stuff on the firecroom website?

[DonAU1124]

:jawdrop: .

Why are you dropping your mouth now, he just said the same thing you been saying.

[usafbamafan]

I tell you fellers what, I aint never seen nothin funnier than that scardy cat act that old Cox was doing saturday night. Hell, no wonder he coulnt throw, he was gonna run backwards till the damn play was over. He was duckin and coverin like he thought the Ruskies had done launched on him. They gonna have a hard time gettin him to come out of the lockerroom for the LSU game.

http://www.kathryncramer.com/photos/uncategorized/duckandcover_bert_the_turtle_6k_1.jpg

Auburn's QB coach - Bert the Turtle :laugh:

[usafbamafan]

"Duck and Cover Video", eJournal USA: Foreign Policy Agenda, March 2005 (http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itps/0305/ijpe/duckncvr.htm)

Sing along Brandon!!:whistle: :icon_band