Graduation Rate??

[MillDawg007]

I was arguing with some big 10 fans today and they were boasting about their graduation rate and saying the SEC just lets anyone play. This got me to thinking about yall's perspective on this matter: Heres mine.

Attending college for us non-athletes or not gifted enough atheltes is a time for us to get a glimpse of the real world and learn a trade & to grow as people. Student athletes that are blessed enough to attend a top D1 University go to gain the tools for professional sports. I know the argument more than half of them will go on to do something else, but being gifted at sports gives them a chance to excel in the college of their choosing. If the athletes excel in sports many leave after their junior or even freshman year(basketball). I feel the graduation rate is determined by the student. The big 10 people i was arguing with were boasting about how their schools are much more superior than the SEC in that regard. I went on to say that SEC schools have restrictions as well as Big 10 schools and it is up to the individual athlete if he or she graduates from their University. The University gives them a ride for a free education and if the athlete grasps that education is up them. My point being is it a bad thing to be down in graduation rate. WE obviously are superior in sports, so now these clowns are saying we are idiots. I feel this is hilarious..

My example to them. I compared transfer status to attend OSU or UGA. After so many hours you need a 2.0 to go to OSU, for UGA you need a 3.2.

DOES THIS stuff matter and are we really that stupid? Thoughts, comments!

[True Grit]

The Big Ten might have better graduation rates, but the gap is much closer than it use to be and it getting closer. You also have to take into account that we have more players go pro in 2 of the big 3 sports(football and baseball).

[MillDawg007]

Exactly my point i just didnt know if it was a big recruiting factor or not.

[True Grit]

Exactly my point i just didnt know if it was a big recruiting factor or not.

For some players it is, but it is more for the parents. And Im sure many guys think they are going pro so it doesnt matter to them anyways.

[The Ramp]

every time the big ten loses a game to the SEC, they pull the "academics" trump card

[GatorHunter]

The Big 10 has no academic "trump card" to play...we've hashed this argument before, after the Big10 commish said the SEC doesn't have "the standards" that the Big 10 has after NSD...well, we proved that little statement a farce then...we are at least "as good".....some would say better.

[The Ramp]

The Big 10 has no academic "trump card" to play...we've hashed this argument before, after the Big10 commish said the SEC doesn't have "the standards" that the Big 10 has after NSD...well, we proved that little statement a farce then...we are at least "as good".....some would say better.

i musta missed that arguement. big ten has some very good schools. what that has to do with football is beyond me....

[GatorHunter]

i musta missed that arguement. big ten has some very good schools. what that has to do with football is beyond me....

Has nothing to do with football...it's a cop-out.

One example of Big 10 vs SEC academics:

Larry Grant...awesome LB committed to UF, but couldn't get in because of academics...so, where does he go? OSU...and starts immediately.

Scout.com: RECRUITING: Grant to enroll later at UF (http://florida.scout.com/2/487992.html)

Not knocking OSU, just the Big 10 commish for making fictional statements.

[Poppycock]

I don't know about the graduation rate, but this leads to graduation (861 SEC student athletes on the Spring Honor Roll isn't bad):

South Carolina Student-Athletes Lead the Conference Spring Honor Roll

The University of South Carolina topped the list of all SEC schools with 104 student-athletes named to the conference spring academic honor roll.


July 13, 2007

The University of South Carolina topped the list of all SEC schools with 104 student-athletes named to the conference spring academic honor roll. South Carolina had 18 students more than any other school in the conference. The University of Florida was next with 86 honorees. The University of Georgia was close behind with 80 spring student-athletes honored.

"It's definitely an honor for our student-athletes and the University of South Carolina to represent the top of the SEC in this category. It certainly speaks volumes to the dedication and effort our student-athletes, as well as the support of our coaches, administrators, and the Academic Enrichment Center staff," said Raymond Harrison, Director of Academic and Life Skills.

A total of 861 student-athletes were named to the 2007 SEC Spring Academic Honor Rollas announced by Southeastern Conference Commissioner Mike Slive. Each student-athlete must 1) have a GPA of 3.00 for either the preceding academic year or have a cumulative GPA of 3.00 or above at the nominating institution; 2) be on scholarship, a letter winner or have participated on a varsity team for two years if non-scholarship; 3) have completed 24 semester hours of credit at the nominating institution; and 4) have been a member of the varsity team for the sport's entire NCAA Championship segment.

The 2007 SEC Spring Academic Honor Roll is based on grades from the 2006 Summer, 2006 Fall and 2007 Spring terms.

[The Ramp]

Has nothing to do with football...it's a cop-out.



Not knocking OSU, just the Big 10 commish for making fictional statements.

of course he is...he's made TWO statements about the SEC since the NC game. obsession begets desperation

[KillerNut]

Hey, just wanted to let you know that half of the Ohio State football team had 3.0 GPA or above at the end of this year. The rest...well, hopefully with the return of former president E. Gordon Gee back to OSU, that will change. Gee is a huge no nonsense academics first person. Tressel runs a pretty tight ship also and has sat players before for such things.

[The Ramp]

Hey, just wanted to let you know that half of the Ohio State football team had 3.0 GPA or above at the end of this year. The rest...well, hopefully with the return of former president E. Gordon Gee back to OSU, that will change. Gee is a huge no nonsense academics first person. Tressel runs a pretty tight ship also and has sat players before for such things.

didn't tressell put youngstown on probation?

[KillerNut]

didn't tressell put youngstown on probation?

Not sure about that because they are D1 AA but he did win 4 NC there in 15 years.

[AUChamps]

I was arguing with some big 10 fans today and they were boasting about their graduation rate and saying the SEC just lets anyone play. This got me to thinking about yall's perspective on this matter: Heres mine.

Attending college for us non-athletes or not gifted enough atheltes is a time for us to get a glimpse of the real world and learn a trade & to grow as people. Student athletes that are blessed enough to attend a top D1 University go to gain the tools for professional sports. I know the argument more than half of them will go on to do something else, but being gifted at sports gives them a chance to excel in the college of their choosing. If the athletes excel in sports many leave after their junior or even freshman year(basketball). I feel the graduation rate is determined by the student. The big 10 people i was arguing with were boasting about how their schools are much more superior than the SEC in that regard. I went on to say that SEC schools have restrictions as well as Big 10 schools and it is up to the individual athlete if he or she graduates from their University. The University gives them a ride for a free education and if the athlete grasps that education is up them. My point being is it a bad thing to be down in graduation rate. WE obviously are superior in sports, so now these clowns are saying we are idiots. I feel this is hilarious..

My example to them. I compared transfer status to attend OSU or UGA. After so many hours you need a 2.0 to go to OSU, for UGA you need a 3.2.

DOES THIS stuff matter and are we really that stupid? Thoughts, comments!
It's a 3.2 at UGA because no other state has a Lottery program quite like HOPE.

It's because of HOPE that it's so hard academically to get into UGA.

[vandyfan84]

Graduation rates matter to a lot of people. They matter to me.

But have you big 10 friends ever heard of Vanderbilt University, the school that has graduated over 90% of their student athletes.

[vandyfan84]

Hey, just wanted to let you know that half of the Ohio State football team had 3.0 GPA or above at the end of this year. The rest...well, hopefully with the return of former president E. Gordon Gee back to OSU, that will change. Gee is a huge no nonsense academics first person. Tressel runs a pretty tight ship also and has sat players before for such things.

when did Gee go to OSU? He has been at Vanderbilt for like forever.

[AUChamps]

Graduation rates matter to a lot of people. They matter to me.

But have you big 10 friends ever heard of Vanderbilt University, the school that has graduated over 90% of their student athletes.
Yeah, up there they call it Northwestern.

And in the Big 12, it's called Baylor.

On the west coast? Stanford.

[vandyfan84]

Yeah, up there they call it Northwestern.

And in the Big 12, it's called Baylor.

On the west coast? Stanford.

so what's the Big East's excuse?

[Cianne]

Hey, just wanted to let you know that half of the Ohio State football team had 3.0 GPA or above at the end of this year.

Andy Katzenmoyer's class schedule.

All I gotta say.

[Cianne]

when did Gee go to OSU? He has been at Vanderbilt for like forever.

Gee went to Vanderbilt from OSU.

[KillerNut]

when did Gee go to OSU? He has been at Vanderbilt for like forever.

Just announced it Friday. He was president at OSU from 1989 to 1997 and left for Brown University for more money. After Brown, he went to Vanderbilt where he was highly disliked for disbanding your athletics department which has turned out to be a very good move made by him. Look at where you are now compared to then.

[KillerNut]

Andy Katzenmoyer's class schedule.

All I gotta say.

Come on man, That was like 10 years ago. He had two easy classes in one semester and everyone is giving him sh*t. He was actually a smart guy. I have been through this arguement before with Michigan fans on a Big 10 board and actually a OSU faculty member on there shot them down. Katz would have been the most badass linebacker to ever play in the NFL if he wouldn't of gotten hurt. He had a great rookie season with the Patriots in 1999. I think that he would have been very similar to Brian Urlacher. IMHO.

http://www.cnnsi.com/football/nfl/1999/nfldraft/players/images/katzenmoyer_andy.jpg

[vandyfan84]

Gee went to Vanderbilt from OSU.

no, he went to Vanderbilt from Brown. I googled him, didn't realize he's going back. Oh well, I liked him.

[MillDawg007]

I just think its plain stupid to start comparing academics to football. Its great if a school puts out student athletes who graduate from their university. But come on just because you are inferior to us in sports, dont bring up southern schools on academics. When i leave UGA i will leave with a degree, im not going to care about others except my close friends and their difficulties in recieving a degree, not the athletes. These kids are given the opportunity to get a free education and its up to them to grasp it. All are around 18 and are considered adults. Thus quit blaming universities for faultering academics and blame the individuals. I dont get a cake walk through classes they shouldnt eaither.

[AUChamps]

so what's the Big East's excuse?
All their smart schools do Basketball, not Football.

Case in point: Georgetown.

[vandyfan84]

All their smart schools do Basketball, not Football.

Case in point: Georgetown.

the ACC? that'd be Ga. Tech wouldn't it?

[AUChamps]

the ACC? that'd be Ga. Tech wouldn't it?
Tech, Duke, Wake. Take your pick.

[vandyfan84]

Tech, Duke, Wake. Take your pick.

shit, forgot about duke and wake....

[AUChamps]

shit, forgot about duke and wake....
Must not be much of a Lacrosse fan..........or Geraldo at Large viewer.

[vandyfan84]

Must not be much of a Lacrosse fan..........or Geraldo at Large viewer.

nah, i mean its about as exciting as soccer is to me. I don;t discredit their athletic ability, as they are in very good shape much like soccer players, it is just bloody boring to me.

[AUChamps]

nah, i mean its about as exciting as soccer is to me. I don;t discredit their athletic ability, as they are in very good shape much like soccer players, it is just bloody boring to me.
It's a Yankee thing. They eat Lax up in places like Maryland and points north. Never could quite figure out the appeal of it, but then again there are a lot of regional things I don't understand.

[vandyfan84]

It's a Yankee thing. They eat Lax up in places like Maryland and points north. Never could quite figure out the appeal of it, but then again there are a lot of regional things I don't understand.

me too, much like shoes. It must be a northern thing because I don't even own a pair of these things, that's why God gave ya feet, not to cover em up