Tim Tebow

[GoVols1998]

Just to get it out in the open I do not hate Tim Tebow. I think he will be a good QB for Florida especially after seeing th Orange and Blue game, but it seems like everytime i pick up a football magazine i always see a big article on TT. One mag i seen even has him 2nd in the heisman running! That seems a little ridiculous to me. Especially since he has never even started a game at the college ranks. I mean haven't heard Florida fans on here talk much about a repeat, but alot gator fans i know already have him taking the Gators to another NC win in 2007. Is it possible for him to live up to all this hype as his first year as a starter? Or are some gator fans setting them selfs up for disapointment?

[Neyland's Ghost]

Just to get it out in the open I do not hate Tim Tebow. I think he will be a good QB for Florida especially after seeing th Orange and Blue game, but it seems like everytime i pick up a football magazine i always see a big article on TT. One mag i seen even has him 2nd in the heisman running! That seems a little ridiculous to me. Especially since he has never even started a game at the college ranks. I mean haven't heard Florida fans on here talk much about a repeat, but alot gator fans i know already have him taking the Gators to another NC win in 2007. Is it possible for him to live up to all this hype as his first year as a starter? Or are some gator fans setting them selfs up for disapointment?

Let me get this out of the way, I HATE Tim Tebow. He is the most overrated player I think i have ever seen. If he beats teams at crunch time with his arm i will at least give him a little respect but that's it. all it will take is a bad season and the fickle gator fans will turn their backs on him and sing the praises of a cam newton or john brantley. tebow is set up to fail.

[Bburton86]

He's a douchebag.

[Seppeh]

Let me get this out of the way, I HATE Tim Tebow. He is the most overrated player I think i have ever seen.

He's a douchebag.

I concur, fellow non-Gator fans.

[GatorHunter]

Typical remarks concerning Tebow from non-Gators...but tell me this...wouldn't you like to have him on your team? Be honest...;)

See, there's a fine line between envy and hate...I won't stoop so low...take Stafford for instance. He didn't "light-up" the SEC last season...but I see the "potential" for a star SEC QB...and I can admit it.

[lacene]

Let me get this out of the way: I have had nothing to do with this thread......

[bbqit]

He has all the tools to be a great qb. Yet, he really hasn't shown anything. Would I make a trade for him with BS? YES and I would throw in Boardwalk and Park Place!!!!!!!!

[gatorunvrsty]

Well, the kid was hyped before he even left high school. People were mentioning the word Heisman in the same breath with his name before he even picked UF, simply from looking at his high school performances. So far, he's lived up to the hype. Fans of other teams may not be so impressed because Meyer only let him do certain things last year. He played on a sort of leash, especially with the passing game. Two reasons for that. First, we already had a senior QB that Meyer trusted to throw the ball, and run the offense the majority of the time. No point in ruining drives because of a freshman mistake. At the same time, he did want the kid to get his feet wet. Second, I think Meyer wanted to give as little away as possible, regarding Tebow's throwing ability. Let everyone find out when they have to face him. And, he had a hitch concerning release time that Meyer wanted to correct prior to full-time duties. In an interview 2 months ago, Meyer said they had accomplished that; and Tebow was ready to take the reins... even then.

But, as UF fans, we follow his progress more closely than fans of other teams; and we get to see more actual play and watch film. The sports analysts do that for any player they're going to write an article about too, so, they're aware of the potential. Those who pay particular attention to TT know he's a gunslinger, and will put up big numbers. Rival fans are basing their predictions on incomplete information i.e., only what they saw Tebow do in restricted duty last season. That would be a mistake; and I'm quite certain there isn't a single rival HC or DC making the same one. If you're a fan of any team that plays UF, you better hope your coach isn't judging Tebow on what he was ALLOWED to do last year.

As far as winning a NC, the rest of you guys are lucky that most of the Gators here are a little more circumspect about our chances of winning a title. Every fan base has its irrational fans, and they often let their optimism about a single player override common sense. I've always thought that was an oxymoron, because sense often seems far from common.:laugh: In any event, most of us have stated that we don't see a NC this year for a couple of reasons. We have some questions on defense, with so many going pro after last year. And, Tebow is bound to make some sophomore mistakes in his first year starting full-time. I don't think either of those will keep us from being a great team... maybe just not championship caliber.

That said, it's not out of the question, because we believe in our coaching staff's ability to get guys ready. We had numerous freshmen contribute a great deal all year (think Tebow and Harvin). That's a Meyer philosophy, and one that more and more coaches are adopting. At a time when players are leaving early with ever increasing frequency, coaches are finding it necessary to play their freshmen right away, to get any decent production out of them before they bolt for the NFL. If it doesn't happen this year, AGAIN, watch out in '08, when those two guys will be juniors, and have 2 years of experience under their belts.:thumbs:

[armadillo]

Tim Tebow scored 890 on the SAT; Chris Leak scored an 8 on the wonderlic and won a bcs nc; Vince young scored a 6 and won a nc. Florida is my favorite to repeat as NC, just based on that pattern of dumbness

[BAMAPERRY]

From what I can gather, the bulk of the SEC will be better in 08. It's gonna be tough for everybody.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l143/BAMAPERRY/milessaban2.jpg?t=1180873825

[armadillo]

He has all the tools to be a great qb. Yet, he really hasn't shown anything. Would I make a trade for him with BS? YES and I would throw in Boardwalk and Park Place!!!!!!!!
Jerrel Powe get admitted yet?

[gatorunvrsty]

Tim Tebow scored 890 on the SAT; Chris Leak scored an 8 on the wonderlic and won a bcs nc; Vince young scored a 6 and won a nc. Florida is my favorite to repeat as NC, just based on that pattern of dumbness

Chris Leak scored an 8 after only taking a small part of the test... 12 questions. He graduated from the University of Florida in the Fall, 2006 semester with a degree in sociology from the College of Liberal Arts and Sciences. He was a finalist for the Draddy Trophy, also known as the Academic Heisman for college athletes. He was a keynote speaker during the graduation ceremony, an honor only a handful of individuals are allowed to participate in, due to their achievements in college.

While in college, Leak was listed on the SEC Academic Honor Roll each semester at UF. His mentors describe him as possessing tremendous motivation, compassion and the unique ability to lead by example. His peers agreed and elected him team captain three of the four years he played at UF.

Probably should do your homework before making statements that people might construe as your own pattern of dumbness.;)

2006 National Scholar-Athlete Class

DIVISION I-A

• Brian Daniels - University of Colorado - OG - Finance - Superior, Colo.
• Rhema Fuller - University of Connecticut - DT - Finance - Cocoa, Fla.
• Jay Henry - West Virginia University - LB - Finance / Accounting - Tulsa, Okla.
• Chris Leak - University of Florida - QB - Sociology - Charlotte, N.C.
• Brian Leonard - Rutgers University FB - Labor & Employment Rels. - Hailesboro, N.Y.
• Carl Pendleton - University of Oklahoma - DT -Sociology - Sapulpa, Okla.
• Paul Posluszny - Penn State University - LB - Finance - Aliquippa, Pa.
• Joe Thomas - University of Wisconsin - OT - Business - Brookfield, Wis.
• John Wendling - University of Wyoming - S - Business Admin. - Rock Springs, Wyo.

National Football Foundation (http://www.footballfoundation.com/news.php?id=1008)

Not very many people on that list.:thumpsup:

[armadillo]

That's funny, Brady quinn was on the same list as Chris Leak and he scored a 29. I guess he must have passed more questions on the abbreviated test than Chris. in fact there are a lot of guys that answered more correctly on the shortened test
http://loserwithsocks.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/chris-leak-wonderlic.png

[Sabanocchio]

I'm guessing he had to answer much different questions on the wonderlic than he did at the university of Florida. Such as what is the square root of 9 for instance...:joke:

[gatorunvrsty]

That's funny, Brady quinn was on the same list as Chris Leak and he scored a 29. I guess he must have passed more questions on the abbreviated test than Chris. in fact there are a lot of guys that answered more correctly on the shortened test
http://loserwithsocks.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/chris-leak-wonderlic.png

Nothing funny about it. It wasn't an abbreviated test. Chris chose to answer only 12 questions. Everyone else took the whole test.

[Sabanocchio]

Nothing funny about it. It wasn't an abbreviated test. Chris chose to answer only 12 questions. Everyone else took the whole test.

Maybe if he finished the test, he'd actually have been a draft choice. Wonder if this was one of the 12 questions:

actual wonderlic question: 8. When rope is selling at $.10 a foot, how many feet can you buy for sixty cents?
Maybe there were some questions about running the option. I'm sure he missed those.

[gatorunvrsty]

I'm guessing he had to answer much different questions on the wonderlic than he did at the university of Florida. Such as what is the square root of 9 for instance...:joke:

I'm sure that's true. At UF, he'd have had to answer questions at the best academic school in the conference. Already the highest ranked public SEC university, UF may surpass even private school, Vandy, this year. Many publications already consider UF a better school than Vandy.:thumpsup:

We've had this discussion numerous times in previous threads, so I won't take the time to look up all the accolades and articles supporting my statement. A search of the threads on this site will net you all the necessary evidence for my case. The U.S. News and World Report yearly rankings is a good place to start.

[Sabanocchio]

You know I'm joking, right, GatorU? Don't take me serious. I'm just having a little fun at Mr. Canadian Football's expense...:smile:

[gatorunvrsty]

Maybe if he finished the test, he'd actually have been a draft choice. Wonder if this was one of the 12 questions:


Maybe there were some questions about running the option. I'm sure he missed those.

Somehow, I don't think he has any regrets, whatsoever. I'm sure of this: As far as options go, he has far more than any one person needs. He's on a pro team, has some really nice jewelry, and graduated with a 3.+ from one of the best universities in the country. None of which he'd have had he ended up at Rocks Up Top.

[armadillo]

He chose to answer 12? What kind of response is that? That is like saying Gators don't like AK-47s because Dee Brown and the 7 man shower crew used an AR-15.

[gatorunvrsty]

You know I'm joking, right, GatorU? Don't take me serious. I'm just having a little fun at Mr. Canadian Football's expense...:smile:

Of course. But, don't get upset if I'm better at it than you.:thumbs: You wouldn't be the first to pull a Barney Fife, and have to walk around with only a foot and a half.:laugh:

[gatorunvrsty]

He chose to answer 12? What kind of response is that? That is like saying Gators don't like AK-47s because Dee Brown and the 7 man shower crew used an AR-15.

A factual one. What would you have me do? Make one up? Or maybe you'd prefer I read Leak's mind, to ascertain why he only took part of the test.:brick:

EDIT: Wonderlic blog (http://wonderlic.blogspot.com/)

[Sabanocchio]

Of course. But, don't get upset if I'm better at it than you.:thumbs: You wouldn't be the first to pull a Barney Fife, and have to walk around with only a foot and a half.:laugh:
:lol: Nice. +rep

[Seppeh]

Typical remarks concerning Tebow from non-Gators...but tell me this...wouldn't you like to have him on your team? Be honest...;)

I'd rather have Stafford than Tebow. So no.

[armadillo]

That guy edited that only after Leak's score was released, I think that there is something fishy about the edit. Why is Leak the only one to take an "abbreviated" test? That is odd..and yes I am asking you to read his mind. I am sure it doesn't have a lot of big words in it...

[GatorHunter]

He chose to answer 12? What kind of response is that? That is like saying Gators don't like AK-47s because Dee Brown and the 7 man shower crew used an AR-15.

Leak answered 12 questions on a "sample test" and scored a 8.....this is old news...we had this discussion months ago, newbie. We provided the "link" then. As far as Tebow's 890, that was a score he made in the 9th or 10th grade...he retook the SAT and had a much better score...don't know what it was, but he's currently making straight A's at one of the top public universities in America...so I wouldn't use the term "dumb" to describe him...especially if I root for UT...:lol:

[armadillo]

Dawg, despite the fact Stafford seems a little heavy, I think he is better than the Bow. Matt will live through the season with his sternum intact

[GatorHunter]

I'd rather have Stafford than Tebow. So no.

Didn't ask you if you'd rather have Tebow than Stafford...read the question again Einstein...:wacko:

[armadillo]

Thanks for the newbie tag. It deflects from the AK-47/AR-15 comment really nicely.

[Seppeh]

Didn't ask you if you'd rather have Tebow than Stafford...read the question again Einstein...:wacko:

Would I rather have Tebow was your question. No, because we already have Stafford. Which therefore would mean I'd want Stafford over Tebow.

*Sigh* Gator fans..

[GatorHunter]

Would I rather have Tebow was your question. No, because we already have Stafford. Which therefore would mean I'd want Stafford over Tebow.

*Sigh* Gator fans..


The question was: "wouldn't you like to have him on your team?"

Stafford, like any QB, is one play away from sitting on the bench for a year with an injury...so, wouldn't you like to have a guy like Tebow as a "back-up"...:ph34r:

Let me make this even easier for you...as a Gator fan, I would like to have Stafford on the UF team...he would be a nice "back-up" QB for Tebow...if he could beat out Cam Newton...:)

[Seppeh]

Why waste such a great talent as a "back-up". Im not greedy, I'll just take one.

[GatorHunter]

Thanks for the newbie tag. It deflects from the AK-47/AR-15 comment really nicely.

I'm not militant...so I didn't really understand that part of your remark. I own several guns and enjoy hunting and shooting sports...but I don't have any assault rifles...so, yes, that remark went over my head.

[Sabanocchio]

...don't know what it was, but he's currently making straight A's at one of the top public universities in America...so I wouldn't use the term "dumb" to describe him...especially if I root for UT...:lol: UT is one of the finer institutions for education in the United States. I resent that snide comment, GatorHunter. There's no reason anyone who goes to UF will be any more successful in life than one who attends UT and vice versa. Frankly, comments like that are unbecoming of you.

[armadillo]

I'm sorry, it was Dee Webb
Ex-Gator in middle of a gun inquiry | Gainesville.com | The Gainesville Sun | Gainesville, Fla. (http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060214/LOCAL/202140337/1078/news02)
and Ronnie The Rifleman Wilson
Orlando Sentinel - Wilson arrested by (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_uf/2007/04/wilson_arrested.html)

[blockallhaters]

These teams can say what they want call it hate or call it envy it does not matter!!! Remember Gator fans what happens when we prove them wrong (WE WIN).

1 Meyer can't win in the SEC ! ( WINS IT ALL THE SECOND YEAR!!)

2 The Basketball team got luck! ( TWO IN A ROW!)

3 Gator Fans are too cocky! ( NO YOU LOST!)

4 And My Favorite You Gator Fans are homers (Who cares our team is better!!!!!!)

Now I know not all other teams fans are like this but those who are thank you
you are the fuel to our SEC AND NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS . So keep it up and you are only hurting the fans that don't hate or envy!!!!!!!!!!:thumpsup:

[Seppeh]

Its fans like you that make me seriously dislike your school.

[Sabanocchio]

These teams can say what they want call it hate or call it envy it does not matter!!! Remember Gator fans what happens when we prove them wrong (WE WIN).

1 Meyer can't win in the SEC ! ( WINS IT ALL THE SECOND YEAR!!)

2 The Basketball team got luck! ( TWO IN A ROW!)

3 Gator Fans are too cocky! ( NO YOU LOST!)

4 And My Favorite You Gator Fans are homers (Who cares our team is better!!!!!!)

Now I know not all other teams fans are like this but those who are thank you
you are the fuel to our SEC AND NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS . So keep it up and you are only hurting the fans that don't hate or envy!!!!!!!!!!:thumpsup:
Hate to be the one to break it to you, Block, but other schools are not jealous of your school. You see, to be envious, the one you envy would have to have something superior to that which you have and, while you root for a good team, it is not superior by any means to the elite schools of the SEC. If you don't want to be branded arrogant, don't make arrogant statements. Go vols.

[blockallhaters]

Its fans like you that make me seriously dislike your school. I know truth hurt for some but out of all teams your team is the leader. We beat the heck out of you and you still come back and say they ain't that good!!! Well what does that say about you. Not sure I will ever understand a dog or want too!!! One more thing we don't want you to like our school or our QB if we keep beating the dogs thats all that matters!

[SavageOrangeJug]

I'm sure that's true. At UF, he'd have had to answer questions at the best academic school in the conference. Already the highest ranked public SEC university, UF may surpass even private school, Vandy, this year. Many publications already consider UF a better school than Vandy.:thumpsup:

PUH-LEASE! :rolling2:

UF or no other SEC school can touch Vandy academically.

[GatorHunter]

UT is one of the finer institutions for education in the United States. I resent that snide comment, GatorHunter. There's no reason anyone who goes to UF will be any more successful in life than one who attends UT and vice versa. Frankly, comments like that are unbecoming of you.

The "snide comment" wasn't intended for you...if it offended you, I apologize...but I was provoked by one of your own using the childish term "dumb" to describe two UF QBs...just another poster who seems to be insistant on becoming yet another "Troll" on the board...

However, everything that I stated was factual.....aside from Vandy, UF is the highest rated SEC school academically...that's a fact as is the fact that we have a higher graduation rate among athletes than any other school, save Vandy, in the SEC.

[GatorHunter]

PUH-LEASE! :rolling2:

UF or no other SEC school can touch Vandy academically.

Don't provoke gatoru...he is that Stat King...:ohmy:

[2001_Cockyness]

If Meyer doesn't take UF to the NCG this year, he will be in the hotseat.

[Sabanocchio]

The "snide comment" wasn't intended for you...if it offended you, I apologize...but I was provoked by one of your own using the childish term "dumb" to describe two UF QBs...just another poster who seems to be insistant on becoming yet another "Troll" on the board...

However, everything that I stated was factual.....aside from Vandy, UF is the highest rated SEC school academically...that's a fact as is the fact that we have a higher graduation rate among athletes than any other school, save Vandy, in the SEC.

It takes a lot to offend me, honestly. Just making a comment on it. Acedemically you may be right. But who's to say one education is better than another at any particular school? I understand where you're coming from with your response to SOJ's post.

[blockallhaters]

Hate to be the one to break it to you, Block, but other schools are not jealous of your school. You see, to be envious, the one you envy would have to have something superior to that which you have and, while you root for a good team, it is not superior by any means to the elite schools of the SEC. If you don't want to be branded arrogant, don't make arrogant statements. Go vols. Maybe it is best to put it like this Who Cares !!!! Why is it topics like this go on cause some fans are not happy with there team and look to find something in the team that wins. Gators on this board get blasted for being proud!!!! Sab like I said before the ones know who they are believe me I mean no harm but come on name one time i went a start a topic about a player on a team!!!!!!!!!! Right I don't cause It think all these kids give there all and once that uniform gets on there back we got there back. My point is from my side it looks like envy if it not backed with fact!!!!!

[Seppeh]

Wow your annoying with your obnoxious amount of exclamation points.

[GatorHunter]

Look guys...this is gettin' a little out-of-hand. This thread was about Tebow...let's keep the topic at hand. Trolls...give it rest please.

[Sabanocchio]

Maybe it is best to put it like this Who Cares !!!! Why is it topics like this go on cause some fans are not happy with there team and look to find something in the team that wins. Gators on this board get blasted for being proud!!!! Sab like I said before the ones know who they are believe me I mean no harm but come on name one time i went a start a topic about a player on a team!!!!!!!!!! Right I don't cause It think all these kids give there all and once that uniform gets on there back we got there back. My point is from my side it looks like envy if it not backed with fact!!!!!

Be proud, friend! You have much to be proud of! No ill-will here. We know who our brothers are.
Tebow is going to be a good quarterback. No question. Only time will tell how good.

[GatorHunter]

If Meyer doesn't take UF to the NCG this year, he will be in the hotseat.

Not quite.....and I think you posted this on the wrong thread...:ph34r:

[blockallhaters]

Be proud, friend! You have much to be proud of! No ill-will here. We know who our brothers are.
Tebow is going to be a good quarterback. No question. Only time will tell how good.

Thank you it means alot ! I love the game between Vols and Gators and I know the winner of this game has a great shot. I have seen alot of your post and I do respect you cause you do give respect.

[lacene]

Let me get this out of the way: I have had nothing to do with this thread......

[WAR DAMN EAGLE]

The second Tebow signed with the Gators and not Bama I became a Tebow fan.

[blockallhaters]

The second Tebow signed with the Gators and not Bama I became a Tebow fan.
Now that is so true lol! I was in my truck in A Mc Donald's drive thru and went nuts.I heared Bama was close but the family thing got him. By the way is Blackmon still on the team at Auburn?

[armadillo]

This guy?

http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/20/O61850.jpg

[GatorHunter]

This guy?


Blockallhaters...meet our new resident http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k105/gatorhunter22/55m.jpg

[Seppeh]

Do you have one single post without calling someone a troll?

Seriously, get over it. Dont reply to the posts then.

[GatorHunter]

Do you have one single post without calling someone a troll?

Seriously, get over it. Dont reply to the posts then.

Do you have one single post where you actually add something to a discussion or are all of your posts inflammatory?

As far as referring to posters as trolls...there's three of you and the shoe fits...:whistle:

[armadillo]

Do you have one single post where you actually add something to a discussion or are all of your posts inflammatory?

As far as referring to posters as trolls...there's three of you and the shoe fits...:whistle:

Swamigator is that you? Is this an SEC Board or a Gator Board?

[gatorunvrsty]

This guy?

http://vmedia.rivals.com/UserMedia/FanPagesPhoto/Gallery/20/O61850.jpg

Thanks for the pic! I've been looking for one that good for months. Now there can't be any question that that was an incomplete pass.:thumpsup: :happy:

As far as Tebow is concerned, everybody wanted him out of high school, especially UGA. All the fans I know (and there are plenty in Atlanta), were crushed when he picked UF, and were like, well, "Stafford should be pretty good, too.".

Where Vandy is concerned, I'm not going to debate something with some flamer who's only relying on past reputation and perception to further his argument. UF has been moving up on Vandy for the past 10 years, and already surpasses them as a research facility. Again, there are numerous threads devoted solely to this topic, and while Vandy still holds the academic crown, the difference has narrowed considerably. In fact, some publications already consider UF the best SEC school, academically. Either way, the gap between UF and Vandy, and the other 10 schools is enormous. UGA has made headway, but their GSR for student athletes has been so bad for so long, that they're not really on the same level as the other two. I don't mind doing my homework, but I'm not doing it twice for anyone too lazy to do their own. The research isn't difficult... most of the facts are on this site. Run a search. Don't prove my point by refusing to learn on your own.:happy:

[JerseyVol]

This has nothing to do with the thread...but thank god this isn't the Sportsline.com message board or instead the pleasent discussion we see before us we'd be privvy to such intelligent remarks as "Tim tebow is a P****y" or perhaps (this was an actual thread topic from that board) "The Gators are a bunch of C**ts". Thank god for SECtalk.com

[GatorHunter]

Swamigator is that you? Is this an SEC Board or a Gator Board?

It's not a Gator Board...but it's a Gator thread...:wacko:

[armadillo]

So, I should not say anything bad about UF? Because I have a lot of opinions of Herban Meyer that you won't like.

\Just tell me if that is one of the unwritten rules and I will stick to it.

[GatorHunter]

So, I should not say anything bad about UF? Because I have a lot of opinions of Herban Meyer that you won't like.

\Just tell me if that is one of the unwritten rules and I will stick to it.

There's a forum for trash talk...which is about all you do.

[armadillo]

Whatever. You are the one calling names, the Dawg pointed that out. Either way I am out of this thread before I get banned. I will only say nice things about Florida/Meyer/Arrests etc...Is that better? No, don't answer, I am off this thread

[C_hris]

Maybe it is best to put it like this Who Cares !!!! Why is it topics like this go on cause some fans are not happy with there team and look to find something in the team that wins. Gators on this board get blasted for being proud!!!! Sab like I said before the ones know who they are believe me I mean no harm but come on name one time i went a start a topic about a player on a team!!!!!!!!!! Right I don't cause It think all these kids give there all and once that uniform gets on there back we got there back. My point is from my side it looks like envy if it not backed with fact!!!!!

......chill dude no one blasts gators for being proud its fans like you that get blasted for having such an attitude like you present on these boards

[Gator2753]

I am really going to miss your unbiased insight. It was such a positive contribution to the thread

[C_hris]

Tebow is good but i would not give stafford for him nor would i give Joe Cox for him.

[Gator2753]

Tebow is good but i would not give stafford for him nor would i give Joe Cox for him.

At this point...I would give Stafford the edge. Any UF fan would wish that Tebow had as much PT (and therefore experience) as Stafford did last season.
Ill wait till about 2 or 3 SEC games into the season before I make an actual judgment on who is better.
I think no matter what, Stafford is better for UGA's offense and Tebow is better for UF's offense.

[C_hris]

At this point...I would give Stafford the edge. Any UF fan would wish that Tebow had as much PT (and therefore experience) as Stafford did last season.
Ill wait till about 2 or 3 SEC games into the season before I make an actual judgment on who is better.
I think no matter what, Stafford is better for UGA's offense and Tebow is better for UF's offense.

Yeah Flordia is tuff. they can just ram you over and over again....while we have to use a little more strategery with stafford

[Gator2753]

Yeah Flordia is tuff. they can just ram you over and over again....while we have to use a little more strategery with stafford

I think I'm one of the few non UGA fans who noticed Stafford come along ever since the AU game. I think he was developing rather nicely. Hopefully he can pick up where he left off last season. Hes going to have to as OSU and USC will be no pushovers. IMO if Stafford looks good in those two early tests...the rest of the East is in trouble.

[gatormaniac]

If Tim Tebow doesn't top the oppositions " most hated rival player " at the end of the season, I'll be very disappointed. He's made great progress in the off season with both mechanics and understanding the offense. Everyone knows he has game, so desire is certainly not an issue.

[GatorHunter]

......chill dude no one blasts gators for being proud its fans like you that get blasted for having such an attitude like you present on these boards


In all honesty C_hris, block was provoked.....too many posters on this board wanted to throw it in our face when we weren't doing so well, now, these posters call us out because we are doing well...go figure.

[GatorHunter]

Tebow is good but i would not give stafford for him nor would i give Joe Cox for him.

I can understand that stance...I sure as heck wouldn't trade Tebow for any QB in the Nation...and UGA doesn't have a QB on their roster that I'd trade Cam Newton for. Now, if Shockley was still around...

[GoVols1998]

If Meyer doesn't take UF to the NCG this year, he will be in the hotseat.

Ummm ok??? So the guy that won the toughest conference in America and the NC in his 2nd year at UF is going to be on the hot seat if he doesn't take his team to the NCG this year??? I dont see ur logic. I dont think Florida will repeat i think this will be a reloading year for them but in 08 they look very very scary to me.

[C_hris]

In all honesty C_hris, block was provoked.....too many posters on this board wanted to throw it in our face when we weren't doing so well, now, these posters call us out because we are doing well...go figure.

True but I have not seen a post from him in a while and the post that he dose write is just blasting people. Im not judging it just seems to be kinda wierd to come out shooting. Flordia has the right to brag all they want hell I would be too.

[C_hris]

Ummm ok??? So the guy that won the toughest conference in America and the NC in his 2nd year at UF is going to be on the hot seat if he doesn't take his team to the NCG this year??? I dont see ur logic. I dont think Florida will repeat i think this will be a reloading year for them but in 08 they look very very scary to me.

I with ya on that one brotha that post did not make any sense at all. Hes going to be on the hot seat before he gets through his entire recruiting class. Yeah I dont see that happening

[C_hris]

Whatever. You are the one calling names, the Dawg pointed that out. Either way I am out of this thread before I get banned. I will only say nice things about Florida/Meyer/Arrests etc...Is that better? No, don't answer, I am off this thread

I read mmore then I post but I had to say this guy is a fool

[gatorunvrsty]

I think I'm one of the few non UGA fans who noticed Stafford come along ever since the AU game. I think he was developing rather nicely. Hopefully he can pick up where he left off last season. Hes going to have to as OSU and USC will be no pushovers. IMO if Stafford looks good in those two early tests...the rest of the East is in trouble.

I've actually said the same thing numerous times, as far as how Stafford should perform this season. I think he and Tebow will light it up in the WLOCP. It should be a regular fireworks show. While Stafford made some really bad decisions typical of a freshman early on last year, he did start to come on later. Or, maybe he just threw it to opposing DB's because they're the only ones who'd catch it. His receivers (even the supposedly sure-handed ones) couldn't catch the ball if it had been coated with Liquid-Nail.:whistle:

If the receivers are better, he should have a big year. I think he's past the poor decision-making phase.

[gatorunvrsty]

Tebow is good but i would not give stafford for him nor would i give Joe Cox for him.

Sure you wouldn't.:dry: And, last year, I'd have played Cox before letting Stafford continue to stink up stadiums. Cox looked A LOT better than Stafford when he got the chance to play. Stafford made some improvements later in the year; but, when you throw twice as many INT.'s as TD's, there's a lot of room for improvement, and you better make some. Receivers dropped a lot of passes, and that accounts for part of his poor completion percentage; but, his INT.'s were almost always bad choices.

[SECorBust]

Tim Tebow -- Big man off campus
The nation's best QB has turned the high school he doesn't attend into a football powerhouse.

Jemele Hill | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted August 27, 2005
From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

-- Luke 12:48

First thing they notice is, Tim Tebow is white.

Ten thousand Filipinos sit in an auditorium ready to hear this young, white American with a gentle smile and kind eyes.

He says he has brought hope. Says he can tell them where to find faith. The Filipinos sit in awe because most have never seen an American, much less a white person.

Then, in a sweet, confident tone, the high school senior tells them about Jesus. Tells them they can be renewed if they believe. And they absorb every word. When the American is done, 8,000 want to know this Jesus.

The 18-year-old goes to a prison that houses the biggest drug lord in the city, to his father's orphanage in Mindanao, to scores of schools with the same message. He sometimes spreads the gospel for 16 hours a day. He rides in a rickety jeep up hills for hours to towns he can't pronounce. He lives on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, chicken and rice and protein bars for 17 days.

During his trip to the Philippines this summer, Filipinos constantly asked Tim Tebow for his autograph just because he was American. They don't know they might have collected the signature of a future NFL star.

Tim preached about a Christian resurrection in the Philippines, but thousands of miles away on another continent, Tebow leads a different kind of conversion at Ponte Vedra Beach's Nease High School.

Once a dilapidated football program with a shabby weight room, no freshman program and a long history of losing, the St. Johns County school has morphed into power with Tebow, a left-handed genius who is rated as the best high school passing and running quarterback in the nation.

The plan always was to build Nease's football program, but Tim's dominance accelerated the process.

Today, Nease's football budget is $130,000, up from $40,000. Another $180,000 has been poured into upgrading the weight room. This year 167 players showed up for tryouts. They were lucky to get a quarter of that before Tim arrived.

"We were extremely weak," said Bernie Sanders, the president of the Nease Golden Panther Booster Club. "It wasn't even up to most Pop Warner teams."

Nease's profile as a football school has undergone a dramatic change. The Panthers were 2-8 and 3-7 in the seasons before Tim got there and hadn't qualified for the district playoffs since 1994.

With Tim, they are 16-7 with an appearance in the regional championship.

Expectations have soared for Nease football, which is ranked No. 6 in Class 4A. In fact, they are so high Nease the school makes its nationally televised debut in a road game at noon today against traditional power Hoover (Ala.) High on ESPN -- the first time a high school game has been televised on the network.

"We're not trying to get all the glory," Tim said. "We're just trying to win a state championship."


His school day begins the same way each morning. He reads his Bible for a half-hour, reciting the three scriptures that define his life -- Luke 12, verse 48; Matthew 23, verses 11 and 12; and Proverbs 27, second verse.
He checks his planner, where his mother, Pam, has detailed his lessons for the day. He learns history, chemistry and algebra like any other high school student. This week, she used flash cards to make sure Tim knew the periodic table.

He spends most of his day totally segregated from the Nease student body -- the same group that chants his name during and after games.

Yet the Tebows' learning center/apartment has become the source of controversy.

Tim has been home-schooled since kindergarten. His four other siblings were also home-schooled. But the Tebows' permanent home is in Jacksonville, which is where the majority of home schooling took place before Tim came to Nease.

How can this be?

To understand why a high school star has two residences, understand the Tebows are devout Christians who believe the only way their children would learn certain values was if they instilled them.

"You have to start early with your children," Pam said. "You can't decide in high school, `Oh, we want him to have good character.' "

Tim first played high school football at Trinity Christian in Duval County, where the Tebows' family farm is located. They played him at tight end and defensive end. He wanted to play quarterback. His family wanted him to play quarterback.

His father, Bob, knew in the early stages that his son would be a terrific quarterback. When Tim was 4, Bob's palms started stinging from tossing the football with him.

The Tebows took Tim out of Trinity Christian and went looking for a program that would let Tim play quarterback.

They checked out a number of schools before their search led them to the guidance counselor's office at Nease.

Nease? The perennial basement team?

Craig Howard, Nease's then-new coach, was the one responsible for Tim's arrival at Nease. He's been coaching for more than 30 years, spending half of those years at the college level.

His offense was cookie cutter to the one used by Meyer at Utah. Howard promised Tim he could throw until his arm melted.

"We just hit it off from Day 1," Howard said. "I love Tim like a son."

Tim's move to Nease wasn't viewed innocently -- at least not after Tim hit the field and showed he could make any throw and had a 40-yard dash time hovering around 4.6 seconds.

When Tim transferred to Nease, a home-schooled student could play at any school in St. Johns as long as they lived in the county. The Tebows followed the rule by renting an apartment in the county.

There was grumbling once Tim's talents became known, and the Tebows fought the perception they used the rules to their own advantage.
"Their parents are following the rules," said Joseph Joyner, superintendent of St. Johns County School District. "You're always going to get people who criticize someone who is successful. You're always going to get people that try to find something negative."


Nease people see it as sour grapes. They say Tim's transfer wouldn't have raised an eyebrow if he weren't a five-star recruit and Nease was still a fledgling football team.

"We were the homecoming team for everybody," Sander said. "You scheduled Nease for that because you know you're going to win."

When you're good, everything comes under attack. And Tim's home schooling was no exception.

Tim is a B student. And yes, his mother administers his grades and his tests -- so you can guess what the whispers are about.

Overlooked is that three of the Tebow children, who also were taught by the same woman, have graduated college and another is an engineering student at Florida. And Tim achieved the required SAT score for college athletes as a sophomore.

"People try to cause trouble for us," Tim said, "but we try not to worry about it. We know we're doing the right thing."

"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; someone else, and not your own lips." -- Proverbs 27:2

C'mon, Tim, just take a little credit. Just get a little bigheaded.

"We're just trying to make this year better than last," Tim said. "We've got a lot of good players in the program."

You mean the seven teammates who might not have had Division I scholarships if the college coaches that came to see you didn't notice them?

"They got the scholarship because they put in the hard work," Tim said.

Try to get Tim to say he's the toughest person on Nease's team because he played three quarters against Menendez with a broken leg in 2003. Try to get him to call himself brilliant because he broke Anquan Boldin's state record for total offense with 5,630 yards last season.

Try to get him to admit he's the perfect weapon because of his 46 touchdown passes last year. Try to get him to puff his chest because ESPN is filming a documentary on him that will air around National Signing Day in February.

For someone else, it might be hard to stay humble.

For Tim, life it's not because his life is geared around humility and service.

His father, a full-time evangelist with his own ministry, and his mother demand no less That's why he's taken three trips to the Philippines. That's why his parents made him chase cows in 95-degree heat on the family farm, and won't let him out of his other chores no matter how many Elite 11 camps he attends.

"We kept him place," said Peter, Tim's older brother.

You wonder if Tim will stay this way, if a year from now he'll still be the same boy brought to tears when his dog, Otis, was hit so hard by a car around the farm it broke some of the animal's teeth in half.

A year from now will he still be reading his Bible every morning? Will he still believe in saving himself until marriage?

"People have talked to me about that already," Tim said. "Hopefully, I'll be able to say no and stick to my faith."

Much was given to Tim. Much was expected. Much has been delivered.

Meet Tim Tebow

Nease High School Quarterback

6 feet 3, 225 pounds

Stats: Threw for state-record 4,286 yards and 46 TDs and rushed 1,266 yards and 24 TDs for an 11-2 team as a junior when he finished third in the Mr. Football voting.

Who's recruiting: Everybody in the nation. But the most well-known are Florida, Florida State, Michigan, USC, Alabama and Miami. Tebow said he won't make a decision until closer to signing day.

[SECorBust]

Everybody should remember that Tim Tebow was the recruit that comes along just once in three or four years. This guy is destined to do well at Florida. His character, attitude, ability, and experience all indicate that he will meet expectations. Florida is lucky that Tim wanted to be a Gator! (I'm glad he's not on our schedule this year.)

[GatorHunter]

Tim Tebow -- Big man off campus
The nation's best QB has turned the high school he doesn't attend into a football powerhouse.

Jemele Hill | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted August 27, 2005
From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.

-- Luke 12:48

First thing they notice is, Tim Tebow is white.

Ten thousand Filipinos sit in an auditorium ready to hear this young, white American with a gentle smile and kind eyes.

He says he has brought hope. Says he can tell them where to find faith. The Filipinos sit in awe because most have never seen an American, much less a white person.

Then, in a sweet, confident tone, the high school senior tells them about Jesus. Tells them they can be renewed if they believe. And they absorb every word. When the American is done, 8,000 want to know this Jesus.

The 18-year-old goes to a prison that houses the biggest drug lord in the city, to his father's orphanage in Mindanao, to scores of schools with the same message. He sometimes spreads the gospel for 16 hours a day. He rides in a rickety jeep up hills for hours to towns he can't pronounce. He lives on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, chicken and rice and protein bars for 17 days.

During his trip to the Philippines this summer, Filipinos constantly asked Tim Tebow for his autograph just because he was American. They don't know they might have collected the signature of a future NFL star.

Tim preached about a Christian resurrection in the Philippines, but thousands of miles away on another continent, Tebow leads a different kind of conversion at Ponte Vedra Beach's Nease High School.

Once a dilapidated football program with a shabby weight room, no freshman program and a long history of losing, the St. Johns County school has morphed into power with Tebow, a left-handed genius who is rated as the best high school passing and running quarterback in the nation.

The plan always was to build Nease's football program, but Tim's dominance accelerated the process.

Today, Nease's football budget is $130,000, up from $40,000. Another $180,000 has been poured into upgrading the weight room. This year 167 players showed up for tryouts. They were lucky to get a quarter of that before Tim arrived.

"We were extremely weak," said Bernie Sanders, the president of the Nease Golden Panther Booster Club. "It wasn't even up to most Pop Warner teams."

Nease's profile as a football school has undergone a dramatic change. The Panthers were 2-8 and 3-7 in the seasons before Tim got there and hadn't qualified for the district playoffs since 1994.

With Tim, they are 16-7 with an appearance in the regional championship.

Expectations have soared for Nease football, which is ranked No. 6 in Class 4A. In fact, they are so high Nease the school makes its nationally televised debut in a road game at noon today against traditional power Hoover (Ala.) High on ESPN -- the first time a high school game has been televised on the network.

"We're not trying to get all the glory," Tim said. "We're just trying to win a state championship."


His school day begins the same way each morning. He reads his Bible for a half-hour, reciting the three scriptures that define his life -- Luke 12, verse 48; Matthew 23, verses 11 and 12; and Proverbs 27, second verse.
He checks his planner, where his mother, Pam, has detailed his lessons for the day. He learns history, chemistry and algebra like any other high school student. This week, she used flash cards to make sure Tim knew the periodic table.

He spends most of his day totally segregated from the Nease student body -- the same group that chants his name during and after games.

Yet the Tebows' learning center/apartment has become the source of controversy.

Tim has been home-schooled since kindergarten. His four other siblings were also home-schooled. But the Tebows' permanent home is in Jacksonville, which is where the majority of home schooling took place before Tim came to Nease.

How can this be?

To understand why a high school star has two residences, understand the Tebows are devout Christians who believe the only way their children would learn certain values was if they instilled them.

"You have to start early with your children," Pam said. "You can't decide in high school, `Oh, we want him to have good character.' "

Tim first played high school football at Trinity Christian in Duval County, where the Tebows' family farm is located. They played him at tight end and defensive end. He wanted to play quarterback. His family wanted him to play quarterback.

His father, Bob, knew in the early stages that his son would be a terrific quarterback. When Tim was 4, Bob's palms started stinging from tossing the football with him.

The Tebows took Tim out of Trinity Christian and went looking for a program that would let Tim play quarterback.

They checked out a number of schools before their search led them to the guidance counselor's office at Nease.

Nease? The perennial basement team?

Craig Howard, Nease's then-new coach, was the one responsible for Tim's arrival at Nease. He's been coaching for more than 30 years, spending half of those years at the college level.

His offense was cookie cutter to the one used by Meyer at Utah. Howard promised Tim he could throw until his arm melted.

"We just hit it off from Day 1," Howard said. "I love Tim like a son."

Tim's move to Nease wasn't viewed innocently -- at least not after Tim hit the field and showed he could make any throw and had a 40-yard dash time hovering around 4.6 seconds.

When Tim transferred to Nease, a home-schooled student could play at any school in St. Johns as long as they lived in the county. The Tebows followed the rule by renting an apartment in the county.

There was grumbling once Tim's talents became known, and the Tebows fought the perception they used the rules to their own advantage.
"Their parents are following the rules," said Joseph Joyner, superintendent of St. Johns County School District. "You're always going to get people who criticize someone who is successful. You're always going to get people that try to find something negative."


Nease people see it as sour grapes. They say Tim's transfer wouldn't have raised an eyebrow if he weren't a five-star recruit and Nease was still a fledgling football team.

"We were the homecoming team for everybody," Sander said. "You scheduled Nease for that because you know you're going to win."

When you're good, everything comes under attack. And Tim's home schooling was no exception.

Tim is a B student. And yes, his mother administers his grades and his tests -- so you can guess what the whispers are about.

Overlooked is that three of the Tebow children, who also were taught by the same woman, have graduated college and another is an engineering student at Florida. And Tim achieved the required SAT score for college athletes as a sophomore.

"People try to cause trouble for us," Tim said, "but we try not to worry about it. We know we're doing the right thing."

"Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; someone else, and not your own lips." -- Proverbs 27:2

C'mon, Tim, just take a little credit. Just get a little bigheaded.

"We're just trying to make this year better than last," Tim said. "We've got a lot of good players in the program."

You mean the seven teammates who might not have had Division I scholarships if the college coaches that came to see you didn't notice them?

"They got the scholarship because they put in the hard work," Tim said.

Try to get Tim to say he's the toughest person on Nease's team because he played three quarters against Menendez with a broken leg in 2003. Try to get him to call himself brilliant because he broke Anquan Boldin's state record for total offense with 5,630 yards last season.

Try to get him to admit he's the perfect weapon because of his 46 touchdown passes last year. Try to get him to puff his chest because ESPN is filming a documentary on him that will air around National Signing Day in February.

For someone else, it might be hard to stay humble.

For Tim, life it's not because his life is geared around humility and service.

His father, a full-time evangelist with his own ministry, and his mother demand no less That's why he's taken three trips to the Philippines. That's why his parents made him chase cows in 95-degree heat on the family farm, and won't let him out of his other chores no matter how many Elite 11 camps he attends.

"We kept him place," said Peter, Tim's older brother.

You wonder if Tim will stay this way, if a year from now he'll still be the same boy brought to tears when his dog, Otis, was hit so hard by a car around the farm it broke some of the animal's teeth in half.

A year from now will he still be reading his Bible every morning? Will he still believe in saving himself until marriage?

"People have talked to me about that already," Tim said. "Hopefully, I'll be able to say no and stick to my faith."

Much was given to Tim. Much was expected. Much has been delivered.

Meet Tim Tebow

Nease High School Quarterback

6 feet 3, 225 pounds

Stats: Threw for state-record 4,286 yards and 46 TDs and rushed 1,266 yards and 24 TDs for an 11-2 team as a junior when he finished third in the Mr. Football voting.

Who's recruiting: Everybody in the nation. But the most well-known are Florida, Florida State, Michigan, USC, Alabama and Miami. Tebow said he won't make a decision until closer to signing day.

Thanks for posting...great article.

Man...it would be tough to be him....especially in college. 19 year-old starting QB for th defending National Champs...that's a lot of "poon" my friends.:blink: