Does Notre Dame deserve this Special BCS Status today any longer ?

[Grady]

52 percent of the U.S. population says it is Protestant while only 24 percent of the U.S. population says it is Catholic, so why the bias for Notre Dame by the BCS now that ABC no longer runs the BCS, but FOX ?

http://pewforum.org/publications/reports/poll2002.pdf Page 49.

I-A Wins since 1994 :

---- ----------------------- ------- ---- ---- ---- -----
Rank Team name Win-Pct Won Lost Tied Games
---- ----------------------- ------- ---- ---- ---- -----
1 Nebraska 0.78313 130 36 0 166
2t Florida 0.77879 128 36 1 165
2t Ohio State 0.78528 128 35 0 163
4 Florida State 0.78221 127 35 1 163
5 Texas 0.76524 125 38 1 164
6t Tennessee 0.75926 123 39 0 162
6t Virginia Tech 0.75926 123 39 0 162
8t Miami-Florida 0.76582 121 37 0 158
8t Michigan 0.75155 121 40 0 161
10 Kansas State 0.71605 116 46 0 162
11t Georgia 0.70937 113 46 1 160
11t Southern Cal 0.70807 113 46 2 161
13 Oklahoma 0.68210 110 51 1 162
14t Auburn 0.68868 109 49 1 159
14t Wisconsin 0.67791 109 51 3 163
16 Louisiana State 0.67610 107 51 1 159
17t Oregon 0.67089 106 52 0 158
17t Penn State 0.67089 106 52 0 158
17t Toledo 0.69032 106 47 2 155
20 Brigham Young 0.63580 103 59 0 162
21t Colorado State 0.63522 101 58 0 159
21t Louisville 0.64744 101 55 0 156
21t Utah 0.66447 101 51 0 152
24 Texas A&M 0.63608 100 57 1 158
25 Boise State 0.72263 99 38 0 137

Georgia

49 Bulldogs in the NFL according to ESPN today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/college?letter=g (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/college?letter=g)

Notre Dame

41 Notre Dame in the NFL according to ESPN.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/college?letter=n (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/college?letter=n)

3 NCAA Major Infractions for Notre Dame; they are no Saints.

https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/LSDBi/LSDBI.home (https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/LSDBi/LSDBI.home)

The most recent December 17, 1999 for “Violation Summary: Extra Benefits provided to football student-athletes in the form of gifts and trips by a representative of the institution’s athletics interests; an university employee provided extra benefits to student-athletes; a student-athlete paid a university employee to prepare an academic paper.”

Notre Dame is no greater than any other college, only it is one of only 2 Catholic Universities that used to get the top football recruits across the nation because they wanted their kids to be in a Catholic school still.

However, that is no longer the case. Notre Dame is an afterthought in college football and certainly not the greatest of schedules, bowl records, putting players in the NFL, playing the toughest opponents, or getting all the Catholic high schools to send all the best student-athletes to Notre Dame :

# 30 in the nation in Recruiting 2004 Notre Dame :

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=135&p=9&c=14&yr=2004 (http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=135&p=9&c=14&yr=2004)

# 27 in the nation in Recruiting 2005 Notre Dame :

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=135&p=9&c=14&yr=2005 (http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=135&p=9&c=14&yr=2005)


I hardly think that anyone thinks that Notre Dame is the Greatest talent in the nation – not according to ANY Recruiting Rankings, not according to ANY of the NFL, not according to the NCAA, and not according to ANY college football poll.

And, NOT according to the Fans. College Football Fans HATE Notre Dame.

[Grady]

NCAA DIVISION I-A FOOTBALL ATTENDANCE TEAM LEADERS



Rank School G Attendance Average



1. Michigan 7 776,405 110,915

2. Tennessee 6 645,558 107,593

3. Ohio St. 7 735,120 105,017

4. Penn St. 7 734,013 104,859

5. Georgia 6 556,206 92,701

6. LSU 6 549,480 91,580

7. Southern California 6 544,872 90,812

8. Florida 6 542,435 90,406

9. Oklahoma 6 505,984 84,331

10. Auburn 7 589,124 84,161

11. Texas 5 416,663 83,333

12. Florida St. 6 496,343 82,724

13. Wisconsin 6 495,308 82,551

14. Alabama 7 567,126 81,018



Where is Notre Dame in Attendance ?

[Grady]

Here is what the NCAA says about Notre Dame today :



Notre Dame



Total NCAA Team Championships: 13

men's championships: 6

women's championships: 4

coed championships: 3



Breakdown by Sport:

women's basketball: 1

men's cross country: 1

men's fencing: 3

womens fencing: 1

coed fencing: 3

men's golf: 1

women's soccer: 2

men's tennis: 1





What is so great about Notre Dame if you are not Catholic, pray tell ?



“Over the past 10 NFL drafts (1997-2006), 2,522 players have been drafted from 243 different schools. Fourteen schools have had 38 or more players selected in that time frame: “



1. Miami (Fla.), 67

t2. Florida State, 66

t2. Ohio State, 66

4. Tennessee, 61

5. Georgia, 54

6. Florida, 53

7. Nebraska, 52

t8. Southern Cal, 45

t8. Virginia Tech, 45

t10. Michigan, 43

t10. Wisconsin, 43

12. LSU, 40

13. Oklahoma, 39

14. Arizona State, 38



NFL.com - NFL News (http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/10001785)





Where the Living Hell is Notre Dame ?



The only place where Notre Dame is a heavy weight, is their Charlie Weiss who has as many bowl wins as Bobby Johnson of Vanderbilt.



Now, Notre Dame is a good University at Number 20 in the 2007 U.S. News and World Report Rankings, but even that leaves 19 better Universities…



So, just where does Notre Dame stand today ?



USNews.com: America's Best Colleges 2007: National Universities: Top Schools (http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php)



Not in the Top 19 among colleges today.



Not in the Top 26 in football recruiting half of the last 4 years.



Not in the Top 14 of NFL Draft Picks over the last decade now.



Not in the Top 14 of Football Attendance any longer.



Fewer players in the NFL than even The University of Georgia today.



Not in the Top 25 of 1-A Wins since 1994.



So, Notre Dame gets a BCS bye and gets Special BCS Status as if it is the Best today in college football, because it’s Strength of Schedule is the toughest ? Really ?



Notre Dame’s NCAA Strength of Schedule is Number 35 in the nation.



http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/toughest%20schedule/ia_9games_past.pdf



Notre Dame had not finished in the Top 10 for 11 consecutive straight seasons, so tell me again how Notre Dame then is given this Special BCS Status paying them millions upon millions upon millions of dollars that rightfully should be given to any school BUT Notre Dame.



In the first 7 years of the Bowl Championship Series (BCS), Notre Dame failed to reach a bowl game 6 of the 7 years. Since January 1, 1994 Notre Dame has not even won a single solitary bowl game of any kind against ANY opponent.



Does anyone know where Notre Dame finished in the Final AP Poll ?



# 17 for 2006



# 9 for 2005



UNRANKED 2004



UNRANKED 2003



# 17 for 2002



UNRANKED for 2001



# 15 for 2000



UNRANKED for 1999



# 22 for 1998



UNRANKED for 1997



# 19 for 1996



# 11 for 1995



UNRANKED for 1994



It’s BS : “4. Notre Dame will have an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.” Official BCS site : FOX Sports on MSN - BCSFootball - BCS Selection Policies and Procedures (http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility)



“The school of Touchdown Jesus and Knute Rockne now has a more ignominious distinction: nine straight bowl losses, breaking a tie with South Carolina and West Virginia for the most in NCAA history. It is clear the Fighting Irish aren't among the nation's elite.” http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/BlogJam/2007/01/03/Notre_Dame_in_the_BCS



“Or, is a third lopsided loss in three BCS bowl games enough to keep Notre Dame from earning its spot in the marquee games? Are you as sick of seeing this annual debacle as many other college football fans are?” same URL Link.



“Under the new BCS arrangement Notre Dame will be guaranteed one of the at-large slots in a BCS bowl if it is ranked No. 8 or better in the final BCS standings. It is also guaranteed annual payment for its participation in the BCS. In those seasons in which the Irish play in a BCS bowl game, the school will receive $4.5 million (an amount equivalent to that received by a conference that places a second team in a BCS bowl). In those seasons in which Notre Dame does not play in a BCS bowl game, it is projected to be paid $1.3 million for its participation in the BCS arrangement.” College Football Poll, BCS 101 (http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bcs_explained.html)





14-41 BCS Bowl Game against an SEC team is Notre Dame’s 3rd blowout loss in the BCS Bowls. Does it deserve this Special BCS Status ?

[CockyTatGuy]

Wait, wait, so ND is better at us on losing in bowl games. Crap that'll just give my cousin something else to talk about how his team is better than mine. At least that is how they all seem to think, course he is a Clempsun fan too so it kinda makes sense.

[gatorunvrsty]

I don't think Notre Dame deserves the classification, but I have no clue why anyone would choose to insert religious affiliation into the discussion.:blink: What does that have to do with anything? The people don't get to vote for or against ND's status; so the number of Protestants and Catholice is irrelevant. And, as far as I know, ABC doesn't stand for Americans Broadcasting Catholics, nor does BCS stand for Bowl Catholic Series. I detect some religious intolerance. I may not agree with ND's current status, but I do respect the university, and the long, rich history and tradition of its program. They WERE the class of college football. The maddening part is that most of the fans still consider themselves elite; and they clearly aren't. But, that's what true fans do. Remain fans through the fat AND the lean years. It is a testament to their loyalty that they can even still afford to remain independent; when most schools are forced to join a conference in order to reap enough of the rewards to remain fiscally viable and competitive. Only decades of enormous success make an institution capable of doing that. In the end, though, they haven't been dominant for years. They haven't even been competent for many of the recent years. The favoritism is unwarranted.:thumpsup:

[Crimson Kicker8]

52 percent of the U.S. population says it is Protestant while only 24 percent of the U.S. population says it is Catholic, so why the bias for Notre Dame by the BCS now that ABC no longer runs the BCS, but FOX ?

I don't think being Catholic or Protestant has anything to do Notre Dame's over-ratedness. Of those 24% of Catholics, alot of them don't care for Notre Dame either (I'm one of them). More than anything, it's their tradition and "golden boy" status that appeals to the casual college football fan. Most people who don't follow college football can't tell you what city the University of Florida is in, but they sure as hell know about South Bend, Indiana and the Notre Dame Fighting Irish. I think the media and hollywood bear most of the responsibility for that. Movies like Rudy always spike interest in ND and how often do we hear football analists over-hyping ND EVERY year? I guess they keep forgetting this team hasn't won a bowl game since Lincoln was in office.

[GoVols1998]

Notre Dame Is so annoying abd Brady Quinn Sucks and so does Jimmy Clausen im so glad all the UT fans dont have to look at another Clausen brother

[crawfish]

so why the bias for Notre Dame by the BCS now that ABC no longer runs the BCS, but FOX ?

I wonder if it could it be "economics" some how? The networks have got to be making some bigtime money somehow to keep this thing going like they do year in and year out. I'm not a big ND hater, but I do seem to enjoy pulling against them when they're the only game on the tube to watch. I probably pull against them because of the special treatment they always get.

I noticed you mentioned that ND's men and women won a national champtionship in "FENCING." Wow! I once tried out for the fencing team, but I got "cut." :laugh: ><>

[timNem]

Notre Dame has been the Media Darling for a long time. Members of the '66 Bama team can vouch for that. Alabama had won back to back NCs in '64 and '65 and were preseason #1 in the AP for the '66 season where they went unbeaten and untied yet ended up in third place behind Notre Dame and Michigan who played each other in a tie. Most people say that this was the best team Bryant ever fielded. They had a great offense with Stabler and a stellar defense which had six shutouts and yielding only 3 pts/game.

[azamugg]

who knows, don't like'em cuz because of the head to heads and what tim just described

but dude who started this thread damn sho has a mad on w/the Irish don't he?

[GatorHunter]

Notre Dame has been the Media Darling for a long time. Members of the '66 Bama team can vouch for that. Alabama had won back to back NCs in '64 and '65 and were preseason #1 in the AP for the '66 season where they went unbeaten and untied yet ended up in third place behind Notre Dame and Michigan who played each other in a tie. Most people say that this was the best team Bryant ever fielded. They had a great offense with Stabler and a stellar defense which had six shutouts and yielding only 3 pts/game.

The '66 Bama team got robbed. I've learned not to even mention it around my Dad because his blood pressure don't need the boost.

[The Ramp]

i always found it retarded growing up in New Orleans among large number of Notre Dame fans. they'd rather pull for their Catholic yankee brethren than their own state school of LSU

[BamaHoHo]

NCAA DIVISION I-A FOOTBALL ATTENDANCE TEAM LEADERS



Rank School G Attendance Average



1. Michigan 7 776,405 110,915

2. Tennessee 6 645,558 107,593

3. Ohio St. 7 735,120 105,017

4. Penn St. 7 734,013 104,859

5. Georgia 6 556,206 92,701

6. LSU 6 549,480 91,580

7. Southern California 6 544,872 90,812

8. Florida 6 542,435 90,406

9. Oklahoma 6 505,984 84,331

10. Auburn 7 589,124 84,161

11. Texas 5 416,663 83,333

12. Florida St. 6 496,343 82,724

13. Wisconsin 6 495,308 82,551

14. Alabama 7 567,126 81,018



Where is Notre Dame in Attendance ?

What year was that.
2006 NCAA ACCUMULATED ATTENDANCE REPORT (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/attendance/IA_AVGATTENDANCE.pdf)

Shows Notre Dame was 16th

[PuddingTime]

Do we really expect anyone to vote yes on an SEC board? Unless you're a Domer, no one loves 'em. Having their own TV contract is BS and scheduling teams like North Carolina is not what you do when it's FOOTBALL season. Guess they didn't get that memo.

[tecmsu06]

I don't think Notre Dame deserves the classification, but I have no clue why anyone would choose to insert religious affiliation into the discussion.:blink: What does that have to do with anything? The people don't get to vote for or against ND's status; so the number of Protestants and Catholice is irrelevant. And, as far as I know, ABC doesn't stand for Americans Broadcasting Catholics, nor does BCS stand for Bowl Catholic Series. I detect some religious intolerance. I may not agree with ND's current status, but I do respect the university, and the long, rich history and tradition of its program. They WERE the class of college football. The maddening part is that most of the fans still consider themselves elite; and they clearly aren't. But, that's what true fans do. Remain fans through the fat AND the lean years. It is a testament to their loyalty that they can even still afford to remain independent; when most schools are forced to join a conference in order to reap enough of the rewards to remain fiscally viable and competitive. Only decades of enormous success make an institution capable of doing that. In the end, though, they haven't been dominant for years. They haven't even been competent for many of the recent years. The favoritism is unwarranted.:thumpsup:

good post! + rep

[KillerNut]

Notre Dame shouldn't recieve such treatment. Make them join a conference like the Big 10. They are not the national power that they were in the 40's, 50's, and 60's.

[ljcool110]

I think Navy should get a BCS bowl bid anytime they beat Notre Dame. That makes about as much sense as the current BCS - Bull Crap System.

[volimhtown]

Whew....for a second there, I thought Grady was back!!

[D^3]

Lol I thought the same thing...

[MBGamecock]

It's Lou's fault!

[PuddingTime]

I think Navy should get a BCS bowl bid anytime they beat Notre Dame. That makes about as much sense as the current BCS - Bull Crap System.

Bravo! Bravo!


Maybe UK can get one every time we beat UT :D

[SeanVol]

ND shouldn't deserve special treatment, because they were a college power 20 or 30 years ago. ND's AD Kevin White gets to go to BCS meetings with the conference commissioners and that is BS.

ND's BCS Results:

2000 Fiesta Bowl
Oregon State (11-1) 41,
Notre Dame (9-3) 9

2006 Fiesta Bowl
Ohio State (10-2) 34,
Notre Dame (9-3) 20

2007 Sugar Bowl
LSU (11-2) 41,
Notre Dame (10-3) 14

I will say this! Last season's abysmal season wasn't completely Weiss's it was the Ty Willingham's brilliant recruiting strategy. But even with ND's history I just don't see the justification of them getting automatic BCS

[AUChamps]

Can someone make a list of D-1 football teams that have not yet won a bowl game since the last time ND won one?

I want to say it's something like 90 of the 120 D-1 schools have won a bowl game since ND last did, but want to be certain. I really hope this year, we see schools like Vandy, Duke, and SMU join that list.

[Sabanocchio]

Bravo! Bravo!


Maybe UK can get one every time we beat UT :D

That's not fair to Kentucky. :D

[volimhtown]

Here is what the NCAA says about Notre Dame today

It’s BS : “4. Notre Dame will have an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings.” Official BCS site : FOX Sports on MSN - BCSFootball - BCS Selection Policies and Procedures (http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility)


All of that insane rambling when the answer was right there!! :wacko::brick:

You know...I REALLY don't have a problem with it when it comes down to it! You finish in the Top 8 of the BCS standings then you really deserve one of the ten spots. Is that REALLY preferential treatment?? Is somebody else getting screwed in the process?? Yeah, yeah, yeah...I know....they should join a conference.....blah, blah, blah.

I don't like Notre Dame either and they CERTAINLY are nowhere close to being considered an elite program anymore. BUT, they do hold a special place in the historical books and stories of college football. The fact that they remain one of the few independents is kind of cool in a way as well. I just think it's a whole lot of nothing!!

[SeanVol]

Can someone make a list of D-1 football teams that have not yet won a bowl game since the last time ND won one?

I want to say it's something like 90 of the 120 D-1 schools have won a bowl game since ND last did, but want to be certain. I really hope this year, we see schools like Vandy, Duke, and SMU join that list.

14 year bowl game winless streak, not to mention it almost twenty years ago that ND last won it's last National Title. The Fighting Irish haven't been so "Fighting" for a while.

[Gator2753]

R.I.P. Grady:goodjob:

[SeanVol]

Who voted for number 2?

[Gator2753]

Who voted for number 2?

Looks like Reese did. Its understandable though. His old man was an all-american there.

[SeanVol]

Looks like Reese did. Its understandable though. His old man was an all-american there.

For Real, did his old man play there?

[zorak34]

One question for reese what the heck are you smokin' this days!

[Bulldog Bry]

One question for reese what the heck are you smokin' this days!

Ask Jimmy Johns. Reese got it from him

[JerryBeeds]

Ask Jimmy Johns. Reese got it from him

Reese has been free basing?

[Bburton86]

i miss u grady