Hebron?

[Gator2753]

I just heard on the radio and read in the ajc that Hebron is suspended for a year.
I have a few questions. Did this come from the University or was this Richts doing?
Do yall think that 1 whole year is a bit harsh or does the punishment fit the crime?
Personally I think underage posession of alcohol is not a HUGE deal. He was caught twice in a two month period but still....a whole year seems harsh.

[WayzUp]

Yeah, I saw it on Yahoo's sports headlines yesterday but did a search here on "Hebron" and saw a thread on it the day after it happened. I think the making a gun of his hand toward the bar employee who denied him admittance was the extra incentive Richt & Co. needed to make his punishment harsher that it probably would have been otherwise.

I'm speculating here so don't take any of this as gospel, just what a reasonable assumption; I don't think it was just being caught drinking twice in two months that did it.

[crimsonnation713]

Whether you agree with Richt or not , I'm glad to see a coach stick to his guns and punish players when they get outta hand. The Simpson debacle wasnt handles the right way here and I was ashamed. Good for Richts for doing the right thing.

[Bulldog Bry]

The policy was changed after Ian Smith was arrested twice for drinking last year. I know it seems harsh, but it's not really Richt's call, it's the school's call (not that he wouldn't make that call). Hebron is transferring to Georgia Military and can re-enroll in January 2008. I hope he uses his time wisely.

[shanksta13]

So what does this do to Georgia in the Fulmer Cup Standings?

[Bulldog Bry]

So what does this do to Georgia in the Fulmer Cup Standings?


Good question. Do we get points for both arrests AND the suspension? We're not doing very well this year.

[Bburton86]

I'm glad that moron won't be on the field or anywhere around guys that will be on the field.

If I can drink underage for six years and not get caught but this guy gets caught twice in one semester of his first year at COLLEGE. And he is supposed be able to play on an SEC defense?!?!

I say don't let that dumbshat near the field.

[bamafan0001]

I like Richt, he's a good guy and I wish there were more coaches like him who had the balls to kick kids off the team that are repeat offenders.

On the same subject, did anyone else read Urban Meyer's spin on kids that get arrested? "Oh they need a hundred chances cause they are troubled kids and we shouldn't abandon them in their time of need."

I loved UF when Spurrier was there, and they are still my second favorite SEC team, but he is a slime ball in my opinion.

[QC_Dawg]

Yea, there was a bit of an uproar on campus when Ian Smith didn't get suspended for getting two arrests but non-athletes did. The rule at UGA is that after your 2nd offense you are suspended for the rest of the current semester as well as the following semester. I really hope he gets his stuff together.

I agree with bburton. Do I need to teach a class on not getting caught underage drinking? All these guys live in my building, maybe I just need to give a free seminar. Either way, I hope our guys can stay out of trouble. I overheard something about a young outstanding player who apparently to smoke a lot of hash from some of the players on the elevator.

[Cianne]

So what does this do to Georgia in the Fulmer Cup Standings?

An MIP is only worth one point in the Fulmer Cup system. Georgia is just sitting on three points. Don't worry. Florida is still firmly in the SEC lead.

Of at least one group of Georgia fans are appalled that a football player isn't getting extended privileges including the underage consumption of alcohol.

Georgia Sports Blog: Hebron arrested again (http://georgiasports.blogspot.com/2007/04/hebron-arrested-again.html)

Real winner this guy is.

[gatorunvrsty]

I like Richt, he's a good guy and I wish there were more coaches like him who had the balls to kick kids off the team that are repeat offenders.

On the same subject, did anyone else read Urban Meyer's spin on kids that get arrested? "Oh they need a hundred chances cause they are troubled kids and we shouldn't abandon them in their time of need."

I loved UF when Spurrier was there, and they are still my second favorite SEC team, but he is a slime ball in my opinion.

First, Richt doesn't have a say in this one. As was pointed out by another poster, UGA has cracked down on alcohol consumption so harshly that a suspension is automatic per the university. And few UGA fans are supportive of it. In fact, this very topic was discussed in another thread months ago; and everyone (including UGA fans) were blasting UGA's past 2 presidents for their stance, and the attempted name change of the WLOCP. There's also an uproar over the pics of Stafford holding the keg over his head, that we all thought were so funny.

Second, if you put something in quotes, you are saying that's exactly what that person said. And, Meyer didn't say what you printed. What Meyer was pointing out was that the coaches are often much better influences on kids who have come from troubled homes and ghettos, than the groups they came from. Who has a better chance of shaping a kid; Meyer and his assistants, or the thugs in the hood who used to be their role models? He was saying perhaps kids who grew up without a positive male mentor could find one in them; and changing attitudes and behavior doesn't happen overnight. And this was discussed, at length, in a thread awhile back, too. Most agreed that Meyer was taking the right approach for the kids who didn't commit serious offenses. If Meyer just gets rid of them, rather than trying to teach them, he's done them a disservice; and he'd be my definition of a slimeball. He'd be bailing out on a kid whose parents he promised he'd take care of, and shape into a man and upstanding citizen. It's a case by case situation, but not every kid's background is the same, and there can't be one set of guidelines for them all. Turning boys into men may be a coach's greatest responsibility. And if Meyer gave up on every hard case, he'd be a lazy coach in my book; and I'd be calling for his ouster. Kudos to Meyer for putting their troubles on his back. Where would they be, otherwise? He's not keeping kids solely for what they can provide his team. He's keeping his word to those parents who trusted him when he said they'd become something under his tutelage.

The Pacman Jones case is a perfect example. The man still keeps his "homeboys" as his entourage, and he hasn't changed. He's still a thug, albeit a rich one; and in all kinds of legal trouble as an "adult".

[bamafan0001]

First, Richt doesn't have a say in this one. As was pointed out by another poster, UGA has cracked down on alcohol consumption so harshly that a suspension is automatic per the university. And few UGA fans are supportive of it. In fact, this very topic was discussed in another thread months ago; and everyone (including UGA fans) were blasting UGA's past 2 presidents for their stance, and the attempted name change of the WLOCP. There's also an uproar over the pics of Stafford holding the keg over his head, that we all thought were so funny.

Second, if you put something in quotes, you are saying that's exactly what that person said. And, Meyer didn't say what you printed. What Meyer was pointing out was that the coaches are often much better influences on kids who have come from troubled homes and ghettos, than the groups they came from. Who has a better chance of shaping a kid; Meyer and his assistants, or the thugs in the hood who used to be their role models? He was saying perhaps kids who grew up without a positive male mentor could find one in them; and changing attitudes and behavior doesn't happen overnight. And this was discussed, at length, in a thread awhile back, too. Most agreed that Meyer was taking the right approach for the kids who didn't commit serious offenses. If Meyer just gets rid of them, rather than trying to teach them, he's done them a disservice; and he'd be my definition of a slimeball. He'd be bailing out on a kid whose parents he promised he'd take care of, and shape into a man and upstanding citizen. It's a case by case situation, but not every kid's background is the same, and there can't be one set of guidelines for them all. Turning boys into men may be a coach's greatest responsibility. And if Meyer gave up on every hard case, he'd be a lazy coach in my book; and I'd be calling for his ouster. Kudos to Meyer for putting their troubles on his back. Where would they be, otherwise? He's not keeping kids solely for what they can provide his team. He's keeping his word to those parents who trusted him when he said they'd become something under his tutelage.

The Pacman Jones case is a perfect example. The man still keeps his "homeboys" as his entourage, and he hasn't changed. He's still a thug, albeit a rich one; and in all kinds of legal trouble as an "adult".

First of all my quote of Meyer was obvoisly paraphrased and exaggerated, and I don't think anyone here thought that I was using quotation marks to capture his exact words so let's not get ticky tacky with citation rules.

Secondly, I just don't believe him. You don't think that he has a strong intrest in keeping his players eligible for SEC play? It's not all about what's good for the kids to him, that's just justification for his means. Evidence of that is Marcus Thomas situation from last year. Meyer knew the kid failed multiple drug tests, it's not like there are a lot of false positives so there isn't much grey area. But, instead of getting rid of him after failing the second test, he acted like he was still gathering facts until Florida got the use they needed out of him.

[Bulldog Bry]

An MIP is only worth one point in the Fulmer Cup system. Georgia is just sitting on three points. Don't worry. Florida is still firmly in the SEC lead.

Of at least one group of Georgia fans are appalled that a football player isn't getting extended privileges including the underage consumption of alcohol.

Georgia Sports Blog: Hebron arrested again (http://georgiasports.blogspot.com/2007/04/hebron-arrested-again.html)

Real winner this guy is.


Actually I really like Paul's blog. I just disagree with him on this one. You get caught drinking and they tell you, "Don't do it again or you will be suspended from school". What does he do? Gets caught again. IMO, he SHOULD be suspended, because he obviously can't handle his booze (pointing a finger gun at a bouncer? what a dumbarse!)
Most of the anger from UGA fans stems from the hatred of the Campus and City police. There is a running joke that if you are a female and need a police escort around campus late at night, crack open a beer and they'll be there in no time. No beer? SOL, they are more concerned with alcohol crackdown than safety. I have no direct knowledge if that's true or not, but it's the perception among many students and alumni.
Hebron is getting a second chance. He'll have to enroll at Georgia Military College and keep his grades up to be able to return in January 2008 to UGA.

As to Meyer, I had already mentioned in an earlier thread that when Richt used to give players 2nd chances, he was ridiculed for it. He felt that you just can't throw these kids to the wolves the first time they screw up, given some of their backgrounds. Now Meyer comes out and says he feels the same way. I don't know what happened with Marcus Thomas, but if he really did get to play when he had failed a 2nd drug test, that's a shame. I just don't think Meyer would do that.

[gatorunvrsty]

Actually I really like Paul's blog. I just disagree with him on this one. You get caught drinking and they tell you, "Don't do it again or you will be suspended from school". What does he do? Gets caught again. IMO, he SHOULD be suspended, because he obviously can't handle his booze (pointing a finger gun at a bouncer? what a dumbarse!)
Most of the anger from UGA fans stems from the hatred of the Campus and City police. There is a running joke that if you are a female and need a police escort around campus late at night, crack open a beer and they'll be there in no time. No beer? SOL, they are more concerned with alcohol crackdown than safety. I have no direct knowledge if that's true or not, but it's the perception among many students and alumni.
Hebron is getting a second chance. He'll have to enroll at Georgia Military College and keep his grades up to be able to return in January 2008 to UGA.

As to Meyer, I had already mentioned in an earlier thread that when Richt used to give players 2nd chances, he was ridiculed for it. He felt that you just can't throw these kids to the wolves the first time they screw up, given some of their backgrounds. Now Meyer comes out and says he feels the same way. I don't know what happened with Marcus Thomas, but if he really did get to play when he had failed a 2nd drug test, that's a shame. I just don't think Meyer would do that.

Marcus didn't, and Meyer wouldn't. BF0001 doesn't know what he's talking about. MT got suspended for the opener for a positive drug test. Then the university suspended him indefinitely for a second failed test, but they took the 2nd test before the marijuana was definitely out of his system (maijuana, unlike other drugs, is stored in fat cells; and can take more than 30 days to get out of your system entirely) and they reduced it to 2 games. Then, he went on an unauthorized trip out of town, and missed his NA meeting. That's what finally got him kicked off the team. They had cracked down to the point where he could only stay on the team if he met ALL of his obligations set up by the university. I can't say whether or not he kept smoking after the first test, and neither can anyone else. I work at a drug/alcohol facility, and give tests every week. It's possible what he said was true. He could have still had THC in his system from the previous time. In any event, he still got the 2-game suspension after his appeal and the ambiguity surrounding the test. And, he didn't follow the guidelines set up, and was kicked off the team.

If you know the facts, not only did he really only have one failed drug test for certain, he got dismissed for missing an NA meeting. Meyer shot himself in the foot by getting rid of Thomas. There's a long list of coaches who still wouldn't have dismissed him. What BF0001 is saying is just plain stupid. The kid missed 3 games from suspensions, and the last 6 after getting dismissed. So, he played in 4 or 5 games. Yeah, Meyer really got all he wanted out of Thomas.:wacko: He certainly couldn't have used him in the SECCG or NCG.:brick:

[bamafan0001]

What BF0001 is saying is just plain stupid.

Easy buddy, we don't need to go there. You don't have to agree with me but all I'm saying is HE FAILED TWO DRUG TESTS. You agree with that yes? I am assuming that they were given by the University of Florida? Anyway I'm sure there are SOP's for giving follow up drug tests, no matter who gave them. And, I am equally sure they are the same for every player. Marcus Thomas was no exception, and I think Meyer gave him the Floyd Landis defense so he could bring him back after a two game suspension. Yeah he eventually got kicked off, but the fact is, all Meyer gave him was a one game suspension for each failed drug test...hell even Tommy Tubberville has more class than that.

[QC_Dawg]

Apparently Mr. Hebron hasn't quite learned his lesson. A few of my buddies were downtown last night and one of my friends told me that he talked to Akeem and gave him a high five and quote: "we were both wasted!"

So yea... If he's going to keep on getting trashed underage, can he at least not do it in downtown Athens?

[Bulldog Bry]

Apparently Mr. Hebron hasn't quite learned his lesson. A few of my buddies were downtown last night and one of my friends told me that he talked to Akeem and gave him a high five and quote: "we were both wasted!"

So yea... If he's going to keep on getting trashed underage, can he at least not do it in downtown Athens?

That's pitiful. I hope Richt uses this as a recruiting tool (there's gonna be an opening).