Investigation expected to clear Cory Boyd

[Zee]

Apparently WIS decided to devote all of 20 seconds to this new development. Guess it is not as newsworthy. But, as it says, Cory is expected to be cleared.

WIStv.com Columbia, SC: Sports (http://www.wistv.com/Global/category.asp?C=1685&nav=menu36_5)

[USC66]

Apparently WIS decided to devote all of 20 seconds to this new development. Guess it is not as newsworthy. But, as it says, Cory is expected to be cleared.

WIStv.com Columbia, SC: Sports (http://www.wistv.com/Global/category.asp?C=1685&nav=menu36_5)

It's noteworthy to us fans. Cory is expected to play huge this year in the Gamecock offense. Thanks for the link.

[OmahaBound]

Apparently WIS decided to devote all of 20 seconds to this new development. Guess it is not as newsworthy. But, as it says, Cory is expected to be cleared.

WIStv.com Columbia, SC: Sports (http://www.wistv.com/Global/category.asp?C=1685&nav=menu36_5)

Definitely glad to hear it. The longer this went on the more I expected this outcome but still nice to hear it reported. We definitely need Boyd for us to be at our best, but if he really had pulled out a gun he would obviously have to go. Hopefully this story becoming such a big deal when apparently no one did anything wrong will be a lesson to these guys to just avoid these situations (wishful thinking I know).

[larryt4111]

Thanks for the link Zee.

[LedCock]

Now we just need to find out who lied and said they saw CB pull out a gun and fire it.:ph34r:

[uscrebel]

Apparently WIS decided to devote all of 20 seconds to this new development. Guess it is not as newsworthy. But, as it says, Cory is expected to be cleared.

WIStv.com Columbia, SC: Sports (http://www.wistv.com/Global/category.asp?C=1685&nav=menu36_5)

Well now, here's surprise. This from the same team that twice lifted Garcia's punishment early.

That Spurrier is a real disciplinarian and the community in Richland County shows no partiality to its athletes.

[OmahaBound]

Well now, here's surprise. This from the same team that twice lifted Garcia's punishment early.

That Spurrier is a real disciplinarian and the community in Richland County shows no partiality to its athletes.

Reb, what happened at the party that night? The rumors keep changing and the cops have never issued any informative statements. You clearly know, and I've really been curious what went down.

[uscrebel]

Reb, what happened at the party that night? The rumors keep changing and the cops have never issued any informative statements. You clearly know, and I've really been curious what went down.

I'm not sure that one needs to know exactly what went on. It is not just a problem isolated to USCar, but your guys seem to have had more than your share over the last few years. The fact that he was at a party that was rowdy enough to generate such accusations (true or not) is the point. We will see if the Gamecocks can behave.

[Zee]

I'm not sure that one needs to know exactly what went on. It is not just a problem isolated to USCar, but your guys seem to have had more than your share over the last few years. The fact that he was at a party that was rowdy enough to generate such accusations (true or not) is the point. We will see if the Gamecocks can behave.

HAHA, So let me get this straight... Ole Miss football players all go to black tie events and sip champagne. Give me a freakin break.

And your first post you insinuated that he was somehow let off easy...? What are you talking about? If he didn't do it, why should he be punished? And, I want you to explain to me how Spurrier twice lifted Garcia's punishment early.

[uscrebel]

HAHA, So let me get this straight... Ole Miss football players all go to black tie events and sip champagne. Give me a freakin break.

And your first post you insinuated that he was somehow let off easy...? What are you talking about? If he didn't do it, why should he be punished? And, I want you to explain to me how Spurrier twice lifted Garcia's punishment early.

Try actually reading the post before responding. I clearly stated...

It is not just a problem isolated to USCar, but your guys seem to have had more than your share over the last few years.

Yes, our players have also been...uh, rambunctious. CEO has dismissed quite a few Ole Miss players for being in the wrong place at the wrong time with NO arrests. He dismissed four in midseason, including a former starter at LB.

As to lifting punishments early:

Click here. (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/167/story/40181.html) or read below.

Spurrier lets Garcia return to team early
COLUMBIA: Spring practice now over, Stephen Garcia has received an early reinstatement to the South Carolina football team.

The freshman quarterback, twice arrested on misdemeanors this spring, was suspended on March 6 for what was believed to be through the end of the spring semester. But coach Steve Spurrier announced Garcia's return during a Lexington County Gamecock Club meeting Monday night.

"He called me - he loves calling my cell number," Spurrier told the audience. "He said, 'Coach am I back on the team now?" I said 'okay Steve, spring practice is over, you're back on the team.'"

Garcia marked his return by attending a team-related meeting at 5 p.m. Monday.

"He was in there with a smile on his face. He realizes he missed being part of the team," Spurrier said. "Hopefully he's learned his lesson, only time will tell. And we'll see what he can do next preseason."

This is the second time Garcia has had a suspension lifted earlier than previously announced. After his first arrest on a public drunkenness charge, Spurrier lifted Garcia's suspension a day after it was announced.
After his second arrest, for keying a car, Garcia applied for pre-trial intervention. He sat out all of spring practice, and after Saturday's spring game Spurrier said Garcia was on his last chance.

[Zee]

Well now, here's surprise. This from the same team that twice lifted Garcia's punishment early.

That Spurrier is a real disciplinarian and the community in Richland County shows no partiality to its athletes.

Here's what Im talking about. This statement post makes no sense. I guess you did do a pretty good job of backpedaling in your next post.

And yes, the suspension did get lifted "early" the first time, I'll give you that. But the Myrtle beach times or whatever paper that is you quoted is wrong. The suspension was supposed to last until spring practice was over. Spring practice is over. Suspension lifted. Not too hard, and I'm really not sure why it was even a story in the first place.

[OmahaBound]

Well Reb our thoughts on the matter are just different. I don't know the situation with the Ole Miss players but if their only crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time then it's preposterous they were kicked off.

As for Garcia....his crimes are underage drinking (oh the horror), running from the cops (stupid, but nothing to be suspended long term for), and keying someone's car (again incredibly stupid). No one was going to get hurt with any of his offenses and therefore yes, I don't think they are a huge deal. Suspending him for the spring was necessary just to emphasize that this can't continue even if they are just stupid offenses. Now if it turns out Boyd or any of our players actually pulled out a gun at this party they should be gone in a second.

As for lifting Garcia's suspension early...I again say big deal. That's tantamount to grounding a 12 yr old for a six weeks right before christmas vacation and then lifting it for good behavior when school is starting back up. Sure it's nice not to be suspended anymore but he's already missed all the fun/quality aspects of being a Gamecock in the spring. I'm sure he feels invincible again and is likely now to go break the law now that he's allowed to sit in the rare team meeting.

There was an article posted a week ago about how Urban Meyer sees it as his duty to try to turn these misguided boys into men and that's why he wouldn't throw someone off the team for something stupid. It's sheer laziness and lack of concern for the players as people that more coaches don't take that position. You and I have no idea what Meyer, Spurrier, or any of these coaches are talking to these kids about behind the scenes and what private punishments may be handed down. The UF kid that got arrested for fighting didn't even miss any practices if I remember correctly. But you can be damn sure Meyer didn't let him slide and there were lessons to be learned.

[Zee]

Well Reb our thoughts on the matter are just different. I don't know the situation with the Ole Miss players but if their only crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time then it's preposterous they were kicked off.

As for Garcia....his crimes are underage drinking (oh the horror), running from the cops (stupid, but nothing to be suspended long term for), and keying someone's car (again incredibly stupid). No one was going to get hurt with any of his offenses and therefore yes, I don't think they are a huge deal. Suspending him for the spring was necessary just to emphasize that this can't continue even if they are just stupid offenses. Now if it turns out Boyd or any of our players actually pulled out a gun at this party they should be gone in a second.

As for lifting Garcia's suspension early...I again say big deal. That's tantamount to grounding a 12 yr old for a six weeks right before christmas vacation and then lifting it for good behavior when school is starting back up. Sure it's nice not to be suspended anymore but he's already missed all the fun/quality aspects of being a Gamecock in the spring. I'm sure he feels invincible again and is likely now to go break the law now that he's allowed to sit in the rare team meeting.

There was an article posted a week ago about how Urban Meyer sees it as his duty to try to turn these misguided boys into men and that's why he wouldn't throw someone off the team for something stupid. It's sheer laziness and lack of concern for the players as people that more coaches don't take that position. You and I have no idea what Meyer, Spurrier, or any of these coaches are talking to these kids about behind the scenes and what private punishments may be handed down. The UF kid that got arrested for fighting didn't even miss any practices if I remember correctly. But you can be damn sure Meyer didn't let him slide and there were lessons to be learned.

Well said...

Yea the thing about him getting reinstated after spring practice is just not newsworthy. I don't know why The State and some other news sources put in bold headlines that "spurrier again lifted the suspension early". I guess it is The State we are talking about...Plus, why is an ole miss fan jumping all over usc and spurrier? Face it, you wish you had him.

[uscrebel]

Here's what Im talking about. This statement post makes no sense. I guess you did do a pretty good job of backpedaling in your next post.

And yes, the suspension did get lifted "early" the first time, I'll give you that. But the Myrtle beach times or whatever paper that is you quoted is wrong. The suspension was supposed to last until spring practice was over. Spring practice is over. Suspension lifted. Not too hard, and I'm really not sure why it was even a story in the first place.

The Myrtle Beach paper was wrong. So was...
The State (http://www.thestate.com/181/story/38135.html)
WSOC TV (http://www.wsoctv.com/sports/12337033/detail.html)
WTOC TV (http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6383503)
The Orangeburg Times-Democrat (http://www.thetandd.com/articles/2007/04/17/ap-state-sc/d8oiistg0.txt)
The Fort Wayne Sentinel (http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/sports/17092221.htm)
The Atlanta Journal Constitution (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/uga/stories/2007/04/17/0417garcia.html)
And forty other news outlets according to Google News.

As to back pedaling, it is not clear to me how simply repeating what was in the original post is backpedaling.

I am not sure why it was a story either, unless it arises from the difficulties USCar had with players in the latter part of Holtz's regime and the early days of Spurrier's run. Somebody thought it significant.

Then again, I did not start the thread on Boyd, I responded to it with related issues. My guess is that we can go back and look at the threads after Garcia's arrests and see same the denials and presumptions by the posters that it was all a sham, but then as SOS himself said:
"I listened to a player a while back saying he didn't do something and I said he didn't," Spurrier said. "I was wrong. So I'm just going to wait (about Boyd). I'll let the police tell you because I wasn't there.

"Sometimes stuff happens that none of your players are at fault … sometimes they are. You got to wait until it all comes out and figure it out from there." Click (http://www.goupstate.com/article/20070418/NEWS/704180318/-1/BUSINESS)

If you dont' want discussion or contradiction about your posts, why put it up? Spurrier seems to be okay with the criticism.

[OmahaBound]

Reb, you can disagree all you want with logical arguments and viewpoints. I'm fine with that. You're original post however was just a snide, condescending remark and that will get a response from me.

[Zee]

Reb, you can disagree all you want with logical arguments and viewpoints. I'm fine with that. You're original post however was just a snide, condescending remark and that will get a response from me.

Exactly, I guess I made a mistake by acknowledging it.

[uscrebel]

Reb, you can disagree all you want with logical arguments and viewpoints. I'm fine with that. You're original post however was just a snide, condescending remark and that will get a response from me.

Which snide and condescending remark are you talking about? This one?

Apparently WIS decided to devote all of 20 seconds to this new development. Guess it is not as newsworthy. But, as it says, Cory is expected to be cleared.

WIStv.com Columbia, SC: Sports (http://www.wistv.com/Global/category.asp?C=1685&nav=menu36_5)

or the one that I posted in response?

My impression is that, for you, being condescending is a matter of whose side the post is aimed at.

Regardless of your view of the importance of stories, the Boyd and Garcia stories are connected and Spurrier's response to discipline issues on the team is also connected.

As far as Urban Meyer's belief that he has a role as personal savior for the downtrodden scholarship athlete, my guess is that this also is variable depending on the athlete's position on the depth chart.

Am I horrified that a freshman is drinking underage? Hardly. Do I think that a student who has a full scholarship has different standards? Yes, I do.

Ultimately, this follows the general line of what social psychologists refer to as self-other evaluation. In short, we tend to believe that our friends and family are much better than other people's friends and family.

I guess I'll move on to another thread.

[OmahaBound]

Regardless of your view of the importance of stories, the Boyd and Garcia stories are connected and Spurrier's response to discipline issues on the team is also connected.

As far as Urban Meyer's belief that he has a role as personal savior for the downtrodden scholarship athlete, my guess is that this also is variable depending on the athlete's position on the depth chart.

Am I horrified that a freshman is drinking underage? Hardly. Do I think that a student who has a full scholarship has different standards? Yes, I do.

Ultimately, this follows the general line of what social psychologists refer to as self-other evaluation. In short, we tend to believe that our friends and family are much better than other people's friends and family.


You got me, Reb. He was condescending to WIS and I didn't care. Way to stick up for them! You'll get a little shoutout from Craig Melvin as the 5pm newscast comes to a close.

I agree that the Boyd and Garcia stories are connected but I don't think they should be. As of now we don't know that Boyd did anything wrong whereas we know what Garcia did. If it turns out Boyd is guilty then the stories still aren't particularly comparable since I personally feel firing a gun is FAR more serious than keying someone's car and the other Garcia offenses.

As far as Spurrier is concerned....I'm curious what you would have done with Garcia. You seem to be okay with Orgeron kicking kids off the team for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time so I'm interested to hear how severe of a punishment you would have given. Anyone in his situation would have received PTI so there's no legal favoritism here. I'm not trying to antagonize...I'm seriously interested. Would you have done something to Cory Boyd as well even though as of now we don't know that he did anything wrong?

As for Meyer, maybe you're right and maybe you're wrong. I'm not so cynical as to assume the worst...though I'm sure his desk nameplate does say "Personal Savior." It's not like UF would really be in a tough spot without Dustin Doe.

Then again I'm sure psychologists would just say I'm disagreeing with you because I don't want to be wrong even though you are so obviously correct.

[GatorHunter]

As for Meyer, maybe you're right and maybe you're wrong. I'm not so cynical as to assume the worst...though I'm sure his desk nameplate does say "Personal Savior." It's not like UF would really be in a tough spot without Dustin Doe.

Maybe Reb should consider that Marcus Thomas...UF's #1 DL last season...was kicked off the team...prior to this, he was a consensus first rounder. Doesn't look like "depth chart" had any bearing on his dismissal.

[pc72687]

I have heard that he wasn't actually cleared that the Columbia news stations were actually incorrect.

Heres the story out of the Post and Courier:


COLUMBIA - Cory Boyd and "several" other South Carolina football players are still part of the Richland County Sheriff's Department's investigation into an April 15 shooting incident, police spokesman Lt. Chris Cowan said Tuesday.

Boyd, a senior running back, and others are "still under investigation to determine who was involved, what happened and if criminal charges will be pursued," Cowan said via e-mail.

That statement refutes a pair of reports this past week on Columbia television stations, including one Monday evening that said Boyd and the other Gamecocks were off the hook entirely concerning the incident.
WIS-TV, citing an unnamed source inside the USC football program, said Boyd and others were no longer persons of interest in the rash of gunfire at a fraternity party at an off-campus nightclub.

No one was injured in the incident. Other than that, few details about that night's events are known.

Boyd, a 21-year-old from Orange, N.J., rushed for 823 yards and eight touchdowns last season. If healthy and eligible, he's expected to be counted upon in the Gamecocks' 2007 backfield along with Mike Davis.

[uscrebel]

You got me, Reb. He was condescending to WIS and I didn't care. Way to stick up for them! You'll get a little shoutout from Craig Melvin as the 5pm newscast comes to a close.

I agree that the Boyd and Garcia stories are connected but I don't think they should be. As of now we don't know that Boyd did anything wrong whereas we know what Garcia did. If it turns out Boyd is guilty then the stories still aren't particularly comparable since I personally feel firing a gun is FAR more serious than keying someone's car and the other Garcia offenses.

As far as Spurrier is concerned....I'm curious what you would have done with Garcia. You seem to be okay with Orgeron kicking kids off the team for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time so I'm interested to hear how severe of a punishment you would have given. Anyone in his situation would have received PTI so there's no legal favoritism here. I'm not trying to antagonize...I'm seriously interested. Would you have done something to Cory Boyd as well even though as of now we don't know that he did anything wrong?

As for Meyer, maybe you're right and maybe you're wrong. I'm not so cynical as to assume the worst...though I'm sure his desk nameplate does say "Personal Savior." It's not like UF would really be in a tough spot without Dustin Doe.

Then again I'm sure psychologists would just say I'm disagreeing with you because I don't want to be wrong even though you are so obviously correct.


Yeah...I know I promised to move on, but....

Were you so concerned about condescension because you have mastered it, or because you wish plow new fields with it? The above opens and closes with grand gestures of patronization. Notwithstanding that, I shall endeavor to soldier on.

Garcia and Boyd and connected, not because they SHOULD be, but because of the misplaced interests of common folk who somehow believe that 18 and 20 year-old athletes deserve attention, adulation, and acclaim. There is no should to this, there is only pretense.

What would I have done with Garcia? I would have discouraged him from coming to school early in the first place. I would have taken note of the fact that he was so disconnected from his peers that he was willing to walk away from them. What is more common for high school seniors is a connection that is so strong that if their family moves, they stay with others to finish high school with their friends. If you talk to anyone about JD Booty's problems at USCal, you will discover that he has had a very difficult time adjusting because he arrived early. He has never been a part of an "entering cohort."

It is VERY common in the real world to sanction people who have been arrested. Sometimes they are suspended or their duties are curtailed. Most institutions and companies have a "conduct unbecoming" clause that allows them to censure or terminate employees for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The presumption being that if one uses poor judgement that reflects on the company or institution, grounds for discipline exist whether or not laws were broken. Would I kick Boyd off of the team? Probably not. Would I do nothing? Absolutely not.

You raised the issue of Meyer in the first place...not me. I addressed it. I think that the piece that was done was sanctimonious and self-serving. While he doesn't seem like a bad guy on the surface, I have served on too many "competition committees" in higher education to believe that it was anything more than spin. This is the same guy who facilitated Josh Portis' rescinding his commitment to Utah so that he could follow him to UFL. (In an eerie similarity to the Garcia saga, Portis went to UFL a semester early. He eventually got fed up an left for Maryland. Why? Because he was not the kind of kid who is particularly connected to a team. (See my musings about Garcia above.) I figure Meyer will be around for another two, maybe three years before moving on to the NFL.

Finally, as to why you are disagreeing with me...I think it is because #$*@#@#$% football season is four months away and we have absolutely nothing else to do. My guess is that we would be willing to argue about he weight of duck poop at this point...and by the way, California duck poop is heavier than Piedmont duck poop.

[Zee]

Which snide and condescending remark are you talking about? This one?



or the one that I posted in response?

My impression is that, for you, being condescending is a matter of whose side the post is aimed at.

Regardless of your view of the importance of stories, the Boyd and Garcia stories are connected and Spurrier's response to discipline issues on the team is also connected.

As far as Urban Meyer's belief that he has a role as personal savior for the downtrodden scholarship athlete, my guess is that this also is variable depending on the athlete's position on the depth chart.

Am I horrified that a freshman is drinking underage? Hardly. Do I think that a student who has a full scholarship has different standards? Yes, I do.

Ultimately, this follows the general line of what social psychologists refer to as self-other evaluation. In short, we tend to believe that our friends and family are much better than other people's friends and family.

I guess I'll move on to another thread.

Thanks for bringing it down to my level, doc. I don't know what I'd do without people like you.

[GatorHunter]

You raised the issue of Meyer in the first place...not me. I addressed it. I think that the piece that was done was sanctimonious and self-serving. While he doesn't seem like a bad guy on the surface, I have served on too many "competition committees" in higher education to believe that it was anything more than spin. This is the same guy who facilitated Josh Portis' rescinding his commitment to Utah so that he could follow him to UFL. (In an eerie similarity to the Garcia saga, Portis went to UFL a semester early. He eventually got fed up an left for Maryland. Why? Because he was not the kind of kid who is particularly connected to a team. (See my musings about Garcia above.) I figure Meyer will be around for another two, maybe three years before moving on to the NFL.

First bold statement...your opinion.

Second bold statement...your opinion.

Third bold statement...complete BS...Portis followed Meyer to UF because he wanted to...not because Meyer "facilitated" anything.

Fourth bold statement....your opinion.

So...your post completely lacks facts and is full of opinion and BS...not your best work reb...:headshake

[uscrebel]

Thanks for bringing it down to my level, doc. I don't know what I'd do without people like you.

It has not occurred to me that you have a meaningful place in the scheme of existence, let alone as a subject for my cogitations.

For me, merely breathing is the same as knowing what I would do without people like you.

[OmahaBound]

What would you do to Boyd if he was at the party but didn't have or fire a gun? I just don't understand that line of thinking.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

You raised the issue of Meyer in the first place...not me. I addressed it. I think that the piece that was done was sanctimonious and self-serving. While he doesn't seem like a bad guy on the surface, I have served on too many "competition committees" in higher education to believe that it was anything more than spin. This is the same guy who facilitated Josh Portis' rescinding his commitment to Utah so that he could follow him to UFL. (In an eerie similarity to the Garcia saga, Portis went to UFL a semester early. He eventually got fed up an left for Maryland. Why? Because he was not the kind of kid who is particularly connected to a team. (See my musings about Garcia above.) I figure Meyer will be around for another two, maybe three years before moving on to the NFL.

First bold statement...your opinion.

Second bold statement...your opinion.

Third bold statement...complete BS...Portis followed Meyer to UF because he wanted to...not because Meyer "facilitated" anything.

Fourth bold statement....your opinion.

So...your post completely lacks facts and is full of opinion and BS...not your best work reb...:headshake



uscrebel.....How darest you come on this board and offer opinions. Twenty lashes with a wet noodle, and don't let it happen again. My opinion on this matter is......oh, wait......we're not supposed to have opinions. Geez......:wacko:

[lacene]

I say 14 ounces.......



:mellow:

[GatorHunter]

uscrebel.....How darest you come on this board and offer opinions. Twenty lashes with a wet noodle, and don't let it happen again. My opinion on this matter is......oh, wait......we're not supposed to have opinions. Geez......:wacko:

Nothing wrong with an opinion...but don't "pawn" it off as fact.

[Zee]

It has not occurred to me that you have a meaningful place in the scheme of existence, let alone as a subject for my cogitations.

For me, merely breathing is the same as knowing what I would do without people like you.

(as he nudges his spectacles back up his nose and into place)

[LedCock]

(as he nudges his spectacles back up his nose and into place)

So much for the opti-grabs reb.

[uscrebel]

So much for the opti-grabs reb.

sigh.......

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Nothing wrong with an opinion...but don't "pawn" it off as fact.
I guess beginning comments with "I think.....", "I figure....", and "I believe....." are pawning off statements as fact versus opinion? That's news to me.

[uscrebel]

I guess beginning comments with "I think.....", "I figure....", and "I believe....." are pawning off statements as fact versus opinion? That's news to me.

Appreciate the support GC Fan. How's the eldest doing in Mobile?

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Appreciate the support GC Fan. How's the eldest doing in Mobile?
He graduated from ASMS last May and is now at the University of Alabama, planning on double majoring in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science. He had a great 1st semester, making the Dean's List with a 3.8+ GPA. Looks like his 2nd semester will be good as well. We're looking forward to getting him home for the summer. Hope your two sons (and your wife) are doing well.

[GatorHunter]

I guess beginning comments with "I think.....", "I figure....", and "I believe....." are pawning off statements as fact versus opinion? That's news to me.

OK GCF....even though this had NOTHING to do with you or anything you've stated and you feel the need to "come to the rescue"...I'll spell it out for you. The post was loaded with opinions...and they were addressed as such...however the following quote wasn't opinion. "This is the same guy who facilitated Josh Portis' rescinding his commitment to Utah so that he could follow him to UFL." ..it wasn't even factual...yet it was "posted" without a "I figure"...or "I think"...as if it were fact...that's all I'm saying. I just expect "better" from reb.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

OK GCF....even though this had NOTHING to do with you or anything you've stated and you feel the need to "come to the rescue"...I'll spell it out for you. The post was loaded with opinions...and they were addressed as such...however the following quote wasn't opinion. "This is the same guy who facilitated Josh Portis' rescinding his commitment to Utah so that he could follow him to UFL." ..it wasn't even factual...yet it was "posted" without a "I figure"...or "I think"...as if it were fact...that's all I'm saying. I just expect "better" from reb.
I am well aware that uscrebel needs no one to "come to the rescue" and that was not my intent. However, when I read your response to his post, I believed it to be ridiculous since the majority of the comments posted on this board, including yours, are opinions. I guess maybe I expected "better" from you.

And as far as this having nothing to do with me, if I read a post and feel the desire to respond, then it has something to do with me..

I'm done.

[uscrebel]

He graduated from ASMS last May and is now at the University of Alabama, planning on double majoring in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science. He had a great 1st semester, making the Dean's List with a 3.8+ GPA. Looks like his 2nd semester will be good as well. We're looking forward to getting him home for the summer. Hope your two sons (and your wife) are doing well.

The oldest is finishing year three at UCLA and like your boy is doubling in Music and Sociology. He made a B+ this quarter...the first non-A he has had there. He is considering Graduate School, but may teach for a couple of years first.

The youngest has just finished volleyball season. After sitting on the bench for the first four or five games, he cracked the starting lineup for the remainder of the season. We are starting the college visits with him, but he is talking about doing JC so he can play soccer and volleyball for a couple of more years.

The old folks are fine, too.

[GatorHunter]

I am well aware that uscrebel needs no one to "come to the rescue" and that was not my intent. However, when I read your response to his post, I believed it to be ridiculous since the majority of the comments posted on this board, including yours, are opinions. I guess maybe I expected "better" from you.

And as far as this having nothing to do with me, if I read a post and feel the desire to respond, then it has something to do with me..

I'm done.

Well, if you "understood" my post...you wouldn't feel the need to respond...

Again, I didn't insinuate that I had a problem with his opinion...just that he stuck a BS statement in the middle of his opinions and pawned it off as fact...:wacko:

Let me say it one more time....this has nothing to do with his opinion!!!!

Feel better GCF?:happy:

[uscrebel]

OK GCF....even though this had NOTHING to do with you or anything you've stated and you feel the need to "come to the rescue"...I'll spell it out for you. The post was loaded with opinions...and they were addressed as such...however the following quote wasn't opinion. "This is the same guy who facilitated Josh Portis' rescinding his commitment to Utah so that he could follow him to UFL." ..it wasn't even factual...yet it was "posted" without a "I figure"...or "I think"...as if it were fact...that's all I'm saying. I just expect "better" from reb.

While I am flattered that you expect more of me, I should add that GC Fan and a few others are among the reasons that I come back to this board. My note of thanks to him was not for "rescue" but for the fact that he decided to join at any level.

Secondly, if you think that Meyer did not "facilitate" Portis leaving Utah for Florida, you live in a much rosier world than do I. He could have easily stepped in and said, "You should keep your commitment to Utah." Given the already fat roster that awaited him at Florida, he clearly didn't need him. Given the rocky relationship that developed after his arrival, he apparently didn't want him.

Third, as I have indicated, I have served on NCAA competition committees and have dealt with coaches who have far less to crow about than Urban Meyer and Pete Carroll. Most have egos the size of a small galaxy and are very adept at splitting the compliance rules right down the middle. Doing things like standing behind a curtain during "voluntary workouts" and shuttling instructions to players through graduate assistants so as not to violate the NCAA on contact. Neither of these guys got to where they are by simply obeying the rules. (Don't get me started on how STUPID the rules are...that's another thread altogether.)

Finally, I really do regret that this turned into a pissing match...at least with you...I was trying to piss farther than that Zee guy but it wasn't really much sport, without you and Omaha, he was really kinda a hodaddy. As I indicated earlier, much of this has to do with the lack of real sports. With football and basketball done for the year, all that is left is baseball (yawnnn!) and playing Stump the Chump on various fan boards.

Lates, brah.

[GatorHunter]

While I am flattered that you expect more of me, I should add that GC Fan and a few others are among the reasons that I come back to this board. My note of thanks to him was not for "rescue" but for the fact that he decided to join at any level.

Secondly, if you think that Meyer did not "facilitate" Portis leaving Utah for Florida, you live in a much rosier world than do I. He could have easily stepped in and said, "You should keep your commitment to Utah." Given the already fat roster that awaited him at Florida, he clearly didn't need him. Given the rocky relationship that developed after his arrival, he apparently didn't want him.

Third, as I have indicated, I have served on NCAA competition committees and have dealt with coaches who have far less to crow about than Urban Meyer and Pete Carroll. Most have egos the size of a small galaxy and are very adept at splitting the compliance rules right down the middle. Doing things like standing behind a curtain during "voluntary workouts" and shuttling instructions to players through graduate assistants so as not to violate the NCAA on contact. Neither of these guys got to where they are by simply obeying the rules. (Don't get me started on how STUPID the rules are...that's another thread altogether.)

Finally, I really do regret that this turned into a pissing match...at least with you...I was trying to piss farther than that Zee guy but it wasn't really much sport, without you and Omaha, he was really kinda a hodaddy. As I indicated earlier, much of this has to do with the lack of real sports. With football and basketball done for the year, all that is left is baseball (yawnnn!) and playing Stump the Chump on various fan boards.

Lates, brah.

No prob reb...as I've said before, I really enjoy your posts.....but there was actually a "story" about Josh Portis' change of heart...it was Josh's mom that contacted Meyer...as we now know, she's quite the meddler...anyway, she contacted Meyer, asked if he would be interested in bringing her son in at UF and the rest was history. Was Meyer happy to accept a 4* QB seemingly perfect for his offense? Heck yea...did Meyer "undermine" his recruitment in an attempt to get him to make the switch...not hardly. And I don't consider this a pissing match...maybe a "soulful" discussion...:thumpsup: