more on Saban's second (and third) choice, "B" team assistant coaching staff

[thethird]

If Bama could possibly be patient this time (only one person has been head coach for Bama more than 4 years since 1982), Saban could eventually turn this staff into an 'A' coaching staff like Auburn has. But when your Defensive Coordinator is in his first year as a DC, and your Offensive Coordinator is in his 2nd year as OC - that's a lot of inexperience - therefore the 'B' grade could be a little high. It's interesting to think of just how many coaches that Saban inquired about - turned him down. I'm sure it's more than we know. Saban has a reputation of being a control freak and with rules like 'players & assistant coaches can't talk to the media' - that may not set well with some coaches. Saban did contact Fisher, Searles, and probably Muschamp. These were all coaches who had worked for him before - and chose not to do so again. Also it is known than Saban offered Outside linebackers coach Travis Jones and running backs coach Bobby Williams, but they decided to stay with the Dolphins – without even knowing who the new head coach would even be. Plus the fact that one coach left not long after arriving - runs up another red flag. I don't think Saban hired the coaches he preferred but could in fact - turn this 'B' (or 'C') team staff around. Time will tell. However history says that time must be shorter, not longer.

[GatorNation]

Control freak, and the fact that he has basically no program loyalty. No coach wants to take a job where he and his family might be asked to leave in a few years.

I think the job-hopping is hurting Saban at this point.

[AU Blaaaaaaaake]

I think its hilarious that Bama let Saban dictate the contract so easily. No buyout.. the guy could wake up one day after his first season, realize his mistake and bolt for <insert random college team here>.

I'm predicting a fallout at LSU after they lose 3-4 games this year, Les Miles goes to his dream job at Michigan following a LLoyd Carr firing (another loss to OSU+Bowl game loss), and Saban goes back to the Bayou where LSU fans completely forgive him knowing he's the reason they are even decent today.

Like his predecessors, Sabear will realize that Bama fans' expectations aren't just high, they are unreachable.

[jthomas666]

I think its hilarious that Bama let Saban dictate the contract so easily. No buyout.. the guy could wake up one day after his first season, realize his mistake and bolt for <insert random college team here>. Gotta say, Blaaaaaake, I've never seen an Auburn fan quite as obsessed with the minutae of Alabama football before.

As for the lack of buyout--well if we wanted him, then that's the way it had to be. He held all the cards at the bargaining table. And there are a lot of incentives loaded on the back end of the contract, which mitigates the lack of a buyout to some extent.

If Bama could possibly be patient this time (only one person has been head coach for Bama more than 4 years since 1982), Saban could eventually turn this staff into an 'A' coaching staff like Auburn has.Northfla, you imply that most, if not all, of the coaching changes stemmed from a lack of patience. In fact, I'm not even sure any of the coaching changes were predicated on a lack of patience, with a couple of possible expections.

Perkins got the proverbial "offer you can't refuse."

Curry could be considered lack of patience, but only partially. The bottom line is that Curry couldn't stand the heat.

Stallings left due the incompetence/arrogance of Bob Bockrath. The BamaNation as a whole would have been happy had Stallings stayed.

Dubose. Fired because he was, as they say, et up with the dumbass.

Franchione--Like Curry, couldn't take the heat. Oklahoma thoughtfully delivered the first karma payment.

Price. again, patience wasn't the issue.

Shula. A case could be made that his firing stemmed from lack of patience, but anyone close the the program realizes that wasn't the case. Shula put on a good front, but simply wasn't getting it done as a head coach. There's a difference between patience and being stupid enough to expect a leopard to change its spots.

[timNem]

Gotta say, Blaaaaaake, I've never seen an Auburn fan quite as obsessed with the minutae of Alabama football before.



:laugh: He spends most of his time on Bama OnLine but I think he would be a good candidate for Don Quixote.

[thethird]

Got it JTHOMAS666. What does 666 refer to? Try typing 'Saban' into Microsoft Word and then spell check it. Guess which word is the first option to change it to? - that would be 'Satan'. Is this what the '666' in your logon name refers to? Just curious.

Anyway, your excuses for why Bama goes through head coaches like crap through a goose, is a similar attempt I have seen Bama fans make for the pathetic nature of their football team this century.

I wonder if there have ever been this many coaching changes in any sport at any level? Saban is Bama's 6th head coach since 2000. He is also Bama's 9th head coach since 1983. All the excuses in the world cannot change the fact that Bama's head coaching job is the least stable in the entire football world. And with the unprecedented salary - expectations are higher than ever (and that's pretty dang high). Coupled with the fact that he is working with a 'C' team assistant coaching staff, Saban may leave soon because he too, as you put it - "couldn't stand the heat". The no buyout makes that even more easy and likely. I think Saban is an excellent coach. But I also know the SEC is second to none. History says Bama will not be "patient" enough with Saban.

[timNem]

Do you ever post anything about your team? Why must you be a douchebag?


Got it JTHOMAS666. What does 666 refer to? Try typing 'Saban' into Microsoft Word and then spell check it. Guess which word is the first option to change it to? - that would be 'Satan'. Is this what the '666' in your logon name refers to? Just curious.

Anyway, your excuses for why Bama goes through head coaches like crap through a goose, is a similar attempt I have seen Bama fans make for the pathetic nature of their football team this century.

I wonder if there have ever been this many coaching changes in any sport at any level? Saban is Bama's 6th head coach since 2000. He is also Bama's 9th head coach since 1983. All the excuses in the world cannot change the fact that Bama's head coaching job is the least stable in the entire football world. And with the unprecedented salary - expectations are higher than ever (and that's pretty dang high). Coupled with the fact that he is working with a 'C' team assistant coaching staff, Saban may leave soon because he too, as you put it - "couldn't stand the heat". The no buyout makes that even more easy and likely. I think Saban is an excellent coach. But I also know the SEC is second to none. History says Bama will not be "patient" enough with Saban.

[shk999]

Do you ever post anything about your team? Why must you be a douchebag?

Tim, in his defense, what would he post? :dry:

[timNem]

Tim, in his defense, what would he post? :dry:Maybe he should change his avatar


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[jthomas666]

Anyway, your excuses for why Bama goes through head coaches like crap through a goose, is a similar attempt I have seen Bama fans make for the pathetic nature of their football team this century.Your initial post spoke of a lack of patience beginning in 1983--not just this century. Please pay attention to yourself in the future.

I wonder if there have ever been this many coaching changes in any sport at any level? Saban is Bama's 6th head coach since 2000. He is also Bama's 9th head coach since 1983.And now we're back to going from 1983 to the present. There are very effective ADD medications on the market, you know.

All the excuses in the world cannot change the fact that Bama's head coaching job is the least stable in the entire football world. And with the unprecedented salary - expectations are higher than ever (and that's pretty dang high).First, I never offered any excuses. I gave my take on each coaching change.

Second, define "high". Most people I know are anticipating 8 wins this fall (assuming no injuries), with hopes to be seriously contending for the SECw crown within three years. I don't see those as being particularly high expectations.

Coupled with the fact that he is working with a 'C' team assistant coaching staff, Saban may leave soon because he too, as you put it - "couldn't stand the heat". The no buyout makes that even more easy and likely. I think Saban is an excellent coach. But I also know the SEC is second to none. History says Bama will not be "patient" enough with Saban.First of all, you called it a B-team staff when you started the thread. Make up your mind, please.

Look, if you want to continue yammering on like a snotty schoolboy, go ahead. You and The Third will get along famously, I'm sure. If you want to actually discuss the matter, though, I'll be happy to listen. I gave you my read on the various coaching changes since 1983. Since I was on campus from 1981 to 1990, and again in 1996-7, I'd say I was in a pretty good position to know what was going on. What's your take? How would you explain each coaching change? Concrete examples only, please--you know, like boosters flying to Louisville in the dead of night.

[thethird]

Saban (Satan), the evil one is upon us. 666 indicates the 'mark of the beast' - but 666 as part of a screen name, surely is a sign of a servant of the beast. These are all comments from the beast's servant, while 'speaking in tongues':

"Please pay attention to yourself in the future".
Doesn't this sound like a satanic prophet?

"There are very effective ADD medications on the market".
Doesn't evil try to drug us all?

"Second, define "high"."
Not sure about this one but kinda sounds like a reference to Satan’s disciple, Bill Clinton.

"if you want to continue yammering on like a snotty schoolboy".
^^ ...crickets...^^

"Since I was on campus from 1981 to 1990, and again in 1996-7".
Why didn't you take some sociology courses?

Anyhew, beware - evil lurks.