Every American Should Watch This

[KillerNut]

I recieved this in an email and wanted to share this with everyone. Please view the entire presentation and turn up your volume. This is scary!

Civilization Calls - Wake Up America! (http://patriotfiles.org/civilizationcalls.htm)

[gatorunvrsty]

I love propaganda! That looks like some of the stuff the Nazis used to distribute. There were some pretty valid points in there, though. The only problem is that there weren't any suggestions. Republicans favor of a lot of the things the vid claims are bad; and reject some of the things the vid says are good. Example: Bush rejects the immigration catastrophe, and favors more liberal immigration. I'm sure that's just so wealthy business owners can have cheap labor; but it's still dangerous. And this week numerous news releases have come out pinpointing repeated abuses of the wiretapping of average American citizens for political reasons. This story is heating up because it's the exact issue opponents of the program cited. They said this would happen. Personally, I'm for the idea, if someone responsible can be found to run the program as it was proposed. Unfortunately, that's not what's happening. Not only are there illegal wiretaps of ordinary people; those efforts take resources away from the real threats. While they're monitoring Joe Blow, who doesn't agree with Bush's policies, Jihad Blow-u-up is formulating plans to institute his own idea of policy shift. Kill the people making the policies.

EDIT: Oh... and let's not forget, that idiot keeps trying to push for Islamic security companies to guard some of our most vital ports and holding areas for incoming products. I can't figure out if he just thinks it'll be cheaper, or if the Bush family stands to profit from some of its mideast friends. Lord knows, everything he's done in the middle east so far has been a boon for the Bush and Cheney families.

[Crimson Kicker8]

Definitely agree with the complacency point. Americans of this generation wouldn't know a serious threat if it blew itself up right next to them. It seems more and more people deny the world-wide Islamo-terrorists threat, preferring instead to blame their own government for any problems they may incur. We are bounds and leaps away from the tough and gritty mentality that helped preserve this country and democracy across the world during WWII. More Americans died on 9/11 than at Pearl Harbor. I can't help but ask, Rosy the Riviter and Uncle Sam, where are you?

[KillerNut]

I think we need to stop immigration all together and kick anyone here on a Visa out immediately. Stock up on guns and ammo now while you can get it because sooner or later, you won't be able to have or get any of it. Our rights our being taken away little by little. I agree with the video when it says we are in the complacent / goverment dependant stage of our civilization. People need to wake up. BTW, very good point CK8, we need the democratic feeling like we had in the 20's and 30's

[uscrebel]

I recieved this in an email and wanted to share this with everyone. Please view the entire presentation and turn up your volume. This is scary!

Civilization Calls - Wake Up America! (http://patriotfiles.org/civilizationcalls.htm)

Of interest to me is how one gets on the receiving end of this kind of stuff.

I encourage you to burrow into this guy's website.

As soon as I saw he had had a 22 year Navy career, I knew something was up. There is a HUGE difference between retiring at 22 years and retiring at 25...my father was a Commander in the USN. His biography is great. After 22 years, he left as a warrant officer and by his own admission, "would have put in 30-yrs if I hadn't run into one particular skipper on my last ship." He manages to put down "hippies," bosses, women and most things left of the far right. (He wisely stipulates that this honors degree came courtesy of a classmate who was doing the Dean's secretary.)

He post military career consisted of 8 jobs in a ten year span. The only one he didn't quit because of the idiot around him was the one that got him laid off when the company was purchased. (By the time I had read this far, I was not surprised a new boss would put him on the hit list.)

I would look for him on the evening news, because he appears to be a prime candidate for shooting up some local falafel place.

He's on OUR side. [shudder]

[GeauxTo]

Of interest to me

Reb, I borrow from Shakespeare's Hamlet to remind you: Brevity is the soul of wit.
:tongue:

[dcbama]

I think we need to stop immigration all together and kick anyone here on a Visa out immediately. Stock up on guns and ammo now while you can get it because sooner or later, you won't be able to have or get any of it. Our rights our being taken away little by little.

Damn, Eric Rudolph, how'd you get a computer in jail? And what rights have we been losing? I must have missed that.

[Bburton86]

The draft should be reinstated but only draft people from Ohio.

[Bulldog Bry]

Damn, Eric Rudolph, how'd you get a computer in jail? And what rights have we been losing? I must have missed that.

You missed that? OH MY GOD, THE TERRORISTS HAVE ALREADY WON!!!!!!

[gatorunvrsty]

Of interest to me is how one gets on the receiving end of this kind of stuff.

I encourage you to burrow into this guy's website.

As soon as I saw he had had a 22 year Navy career, I knew something was up. There is a HUGE difference between retiring at 22 years and retiring at 25...my father was a Commander in the USN. His biography is great. After 22 years, he left as a warrant officer and by his own admission, "would have put in 30-yrs if I hadn't run into one particular skipper on my last ship." He manages to put down "hippies," bosses, women and most things left of the far right. (He wisely stipulates that this honors degree came courtesy of a classmate who was doing the Dean's secretary.)

He post military career consisted of 8 jobs in a ten year span. The only one he didn't quit because of the idiot around him was the one that got him laid off when the company was purchased. (By the time I had read this far, I was not surprised a new boss would put him on the hit list.)

I would look for him on the evening news, because he appears to be a prime candidate for shooting up some local falafel place.

He's on OUR side. [shudder]

:laugh: Yeah, I'm not sure which is scarier. Getting blown up by a foreign terrorist, and getting blown up by "Little Timmy McVeigh, Jr." here, produce identical results. Dead innocent Americans. Talk about scary...you wouldn't even see this guy coming.:ohmy:

[gatorunvrsty]

Reb, I borrow from Shakespeare's Hamlet to remind you: Brevity is the soul of wit.
:tongue:

Is F U witty? :laugh: It's brief.:joke:

[dcbama]

You missed that? OH MY GOD, THE TERRORISTS HAVE ALREADY WON!!!!!!

Very true. And to top it all off, I became unpatriotic when I questioned him. Ain't that a b!tch.

[Bburton86]

Very true. And to top it all off, I became unpatriotic when I questioned him. Ain't that a b!tch.

Come on, you didn't know that questioning authority was WRONG????

[uscrebel]

...[snip]....
Lord knows, everything he's done in the middle east so far has been a boon for the Bush and Cheney families.

What would be a boon for the Cheney family? Islamic Lesbians?

[gatorunvrsty]

What would be a boon for the Cheney family? Islamic Lesbians?

Sure. And as a Mahr, they can give a chest full of Haliburton stock. Although, since a Mahr is a gift given by a groom directly to a bride (not the family of the groom, like a dowry), they'll need to establish who's who.:laugh:

Mahr(Arabic) is a tradition in Islamic marriage. It is a mandatory gift given by the groom to the bride. But unlike a bride price, it is given directly to the bride and not to her father. Although the gift is often money, it can be anything agreed upon by bride and groom such as a house or viable business that is put in her name and can be run and owned entirely by her if she chooses.

[KillerNut]

This guy may be a quack, I haven't looked at his bio nor do I care too, but if you think that we are fine and dandy then you are wrong. I don't totally agree with what this guy is saying but this is a subject that people need to pay attention to. If you don't think these crazy mideast bastards are out to get us then you have another thing coming. There are billions of these people whom want to obilterate us off the face of the earth. I don't think we need to be in Iraq and being the world's babysitter as much as we need to hunt down these crazy extremist that are "stirring the pot".

[uscrebel]

This guy may be a quack, I haven't looked at his bio nor do I care too, but if you think that we are fine and dandy then you are wrong. I don't totally agree with what this guy is saying but this is a subject that people need to pay attention to. If you don't think these crazy mideast bastards are out to get us then you have another thing coming. There are billions of these people whom want to obilterate us off the face of the earth. I don't think we need to be in Iraq and being the world's babysitter as much as we need to hunt down these crazy extremist that are "stirring the pot".

As a matter of public record, we are not in Iraq to babysit the world. We are in Iraq because the current administration has somehow managed to cobble together the worst foreign policy in 75 years. As someone who interacts with the State Department on a very regular basis, I can tell you that the impact of the Bush policies and its refusal to listen to career diplomats in favor of political appointees has led to the worst staffing crisis in entire history of the Department of State. Colin Powell was revered by both foreign service and civil service staff at State and his mistreatment was only the tip of the iceberg. The long simmering negative feelings of Arabic and Islamic countries have been inflamed and attenuated by the cowboy politics that have claimed supremacy on the Beltway for the past 6 years.

This does not make the actions of terrorists right, it only makes them understandable. In the words of Kris Krisstoferson, "If you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose."

[KillerNut]

As a matter of public record, we are not in Iraq to babysit the world. We are in Iraq because the current administration has somehow managed to cobble together the worst foreign policy in 75 years. As someone who interacts with the State Department on a very regular basis, I can tell you that the impact of the Bush policies and its refusal to listen to career diplomats in favor of political appointees has led to the worst staffing crisis in entire history of the Department of State. Colin Powell was revered by both foreign service and civil service staff at State and his mistreatment was only the tip of the iceberg. The long simmering negative feelings of Arabic and Islamic countries have been inflamed and attenuated by the cowboy politics that have claimed supremacy on the Beltway for the past 6 years.

This does not make the actions of terrorists right, it only makes them understandable. In the words of Kris Krisstoferson, "If you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose."

I didn't mean that we are in Iraq to babysit the world. I meant that the US is usually the babysitter for any country in the world that has any sort of problems. I know we are protecting our foreign interest but I don't understand why we just don't worry about ourselves here first. Do you really think that Kuwait, Somalia, Israel, Check Rep., the UN for that matter, or anyother country we have helped out recently would have our backs or lend support financially in a major confrontation? I think you have made some great points in saying that our current administration is too blame for much of whats going on. IMHO Bush will go down as one of the worst presidents in US history. Should have voted him out last election but there was really no other candidate that was any better.

[gatorunvrsty]

As a matter of public record, we are not in Iraq to babysit the world. We are in Iraq because the current administration has somehow managed to cobble together the worst foreign policy in 75 years. As someone who interacts with the State Department on a very regular basis, I can tell you that the impact of the Bush policies and its refusal to listen to career diplomats in favor of political appointees has led to the worst staffing crisis in entire history of the Department of State. Colin Powell was revered by both foreign service and civil service staff at State and his mistreatment was only the tip of the iceberg. The long simmering negative feelings of Arabic and Islamic countries have been inflamed and attenuated by the cowboy politics that have claimed supremacy on the Beltway for the past 6 years.

This does not make the actions of terrorists right, it only makes them understandable. In the words of Kris Krisstoferson, "If you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose."


'Nuff Sed!:thumpsup:

[uscrebel]

I didn't mean that we are in Iraq to babysit the world. I meant that the US is usually the babysitter for any country in the world that has any sort of problems. I know we are protecting our foreign interest but I don't understand why we just don't worry about ourselves here first. Do you really think that Kuwait, Somalia, Israel, Check Rep., the UN for that matter, or any other country we have helped out recently would have our backs or lend support financially in a major confrontation? I think you have made some great points in saying that our current administration is too blame for much of whats going on. IMHO Bush will go down as one of the worst presidents in US history. Should have voted him out last election but there was really no other candidate that was any better.


I will try to let sleeping dogs lie after this response, but.....

1. Comparing the two statements "we are in Iraq to babysit the world" and "the US is usually the babysitter for any country in the world that has any sort of problems" fails to register any meaningful semantic differences to me. They are essentially the same.

2. We are not protecting our foreign interests. We are protecting Halliburton's Foreign Interests...and not very well, I might add. If we had acted at anytime since the Nixon Administration "in our Foreign interests" I missed it. The current abyss of foreign policy blunders began with the Carter Administration, kicked into hyper-drive with the Reagan white house, and then stumbled aimlessly through the next three presidencies...so both major parties have had a hand at screwing it up.

3. You asked whether or not Kuwait, Somalia, or Israel would have had our backs, because we helped the out. Kuwait has been bribing and paying off public and private officials in the US for decades...although I am not sure that this is the kind of financial support you mean. Short of sending whatever mules and dogs the starving millions in Somalia have not yet eaten, I am stumped as to how they might help us. Israel is always ready to kick somebody's ass for us and constantly throws it in our face that we aren't kicking enough asses. When the freakin' Czech Republic enters the top three national economies, I will expect some payback, but between now and then they are free to bury the hazardous waste and the bodies of their citizens whose life expectancies are about 18 years shorter than ours.

This is not about the Islamists hating us...although I am sure that they do. This is about everybody hating us because we are so foolishly arrogant.

[Bulldog Bry]

This is not about the Islamists hating us...although I am sure that they do. This is about everybody hating us because we are so foolishly arrogant.

Well said Rebel. And please do not counter with, "they hate us because we value freedom".

[azamugg]

I love propaganda! That looks like some of the stuff the Nazis used to distribute. There were some pretty valid points in there, though. The only problem is that there weren't any suggestions. Republicans favor of a lot of the things the vid claims are bad; and reject some of the things the vid says are good. Example: Bush rejects the immigration catastrophe, and favors more liberal immigration. I'm sure that's just so wealthy business owners can have cheap labor; but it's still dangerous. And this week numerous news releases have come out pinpointing repeated abuses of the wiretapping of average American citizens for political reasons. This story is heating up because it's the exact issue opponents of the program cited. They said this would happen. Personally, I'm for the idea, if someone responsible can be found to run the program as it was proposed. Unfortunately, that's not what's happening. Not only are there illegal wiretaps of ordinary people; those efforts take resources away from the real threats. While they're monitoring Joe Blow, who doesn't agree with Bush's policies, Jihad Blow-u-up is formulating plans to institute his own idea of policy shift. Kill the people making the policies.

EDIT: Oh... and let's not forget, that idiot keeps trying to push for Islamic security companies to guard some of our most vital ports and holding areas for incoming products. I can't figure out if he just thinks it'll be cheaper, or if the Bush family stands to profit from some of its mideast friends. Lord knows, everything he's done in the middle east so far has been a boon for the Bush and Cheney families.


research some of what you say about the ports and the security issues before you speak so strongly about it...............

[gatorunvrsty]

research some of what you say about the ports and the security issues before you speak so strongly about it...............

Researched it enough to know that the initial proposals have been rejected by the people whose opinion I respect. I'm also aware that most people think the suggestion alone was one of the most outlandish this administration has made, so far. I'm sure they can top it; as it appears there's no limit to their stupidty and hypocrisy. '08 can't get here fast enough. If I didn't know better, I'd think Bush was trying to see how much damage he can do before leaving office. I'm having a hard time believing even HE's THAT dumb. It's a good lesson for American voters. Don't elect someone who doesn't even know American History, much less the history, customs, and ideals of the rest of the world.

[azamugg]

Researched it enough to know that the initial proposals have been rejected by the people whose opinion I respect. I'm also aware that most people think the suggestion alone was one of the most outlandish this administration has made, so far. I'm sure they can top it; as it appears there's no limit to their stupidty and hypocrisy. '08 can't get here fast enough. If I didn't know better, I'd think Bush was trying to see how much damage he can do before leaving office. I'm having a hard time believing even HE's THAT dumb. It's a good lesson for American voters. Don't elect someone who doesn't even know American History, much less the history, customs, and ideals of the rest of the world.

you apparently DID NOT RESEARCH the matter.........it wasnt security companies but port management companies, security had absolutely NOTHING to do with it, this is the leading port management company in the world, UAE, in fact, why don't you tell me which ports in the U.S. are currently being managed as of today by U.S. companies?

[azamugg]

first of all I'll admit it was an administration "faux pas", gaffe if you will from a PR standpoint and thats only because of the immediate mistaken perception from the average Joe and the smear opportunity provided political opponents but THE ENTIRE MATTER HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PORT SECURITY

[azamugg]

I love propaganda! That looks like some of the stuff the Nazis used to distribute. There were some pretty valid points in there, though. The only problem is that there weren't any suggestions. Republicans favor of a lot of the things the vid claims are bad; and reject some of the things the vid says are good. Example: Bush rejects the immigration catastrophe, and favors more liberal immigration. I'm sure that's just so wealthy business owners can have cheap labor; but it's still dangerous. And this week numerous news releases have come out pinpointing repeated abuses of the wiretapping of average American citizens for political reasons. This story is heating up because it's the exact issue opponents of the program cited. They said this would happen. Personally, I'm for the idea, if someone responsible can be found to run the program as it was proposed. Unfortunately, that's not what's happening. Not only are there illegal wiretaps of ordinary people; those efforts take resources away from the real threats. While they're monitoring Joe Blow, who doesn't agree with Bush's policies, Jihad Blow-u-up is formulating plans to institute his own idea of policy shift. Kill the people making the policies.

EDIT: Oh... and let's not forget, that idiot keeps trying to push for Islamic security companies to guard some of our most vital ports and holding areas for incoming products. I can't figure out if he just thinks it'll be cheaper, or if the Bush family stands to profit from some of its mideast friends. Lord knows, everything he's done in the middle east so far has been a boon for the Bush and Cheney families.


also, you speak strongly about Bush and Cheney profiting from Mideast policies..........you can't be making this assumption yourself, if so that would subject you to the worst libel case you could imagine, so you obviously are relying on a source..........frankly to suggest such is amazingly bold because you are saying they are killing young soldiers for profit arent you.......exactly how are Bush and Cheney "profiting"? and since you so casually feel you can spew that vile be very specific as in, are they officers of certain companies, relatives of officers, stockholders? and if so how many shares, etc

can't wait for your reply because frankly the Bush's and the Cheney's and their families deserve a reply

[azamugg]

you see its okay, even American to have a strong political belief, ideals, philosophy but to repeat mindless and proofless vile just because it sounds good and makes you sound smart doesnt cut it

[gatorunvrsty]

first of all I'll admit it was an administration "faux pas", gaffe if you will from a PR standpoint and thats only because of the immediate mistaken perception from the average Joe and the smear opportunity provided political opponents but THE ENTIRE MATTER HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PORT SECURITY

Are you trying to tell me that the company responsible for managing ports won't have a say in its security interests?

[Bburton86]

frankly to suggest such is amazingly bold because you are saying they are killing young soldiers for profit arent you.......exactly how are Bush and Cheney "profiting"?


Oh, come on Aza. You know quite well that over the course of human history the ones in power use the lower classes to further themselves.

[gatorunvrsty]

also, you speak strongly about Bush and Cheney profiting from Mideast policies..........you can't be making this assumption yourself, if so that would subject you to the worst libel case you could imagine, so you obviously are relying on a source..........frankly to suggest such is amazingly bold because you are saying they are killing young soldiers for profit arent you.......exactly how are Bush and Cheney "profiting"? and since you so casually feel you can spew that vile be very specific as in, are they officers of certain companies, relatives of officers, stockholders? and if so how many shares, etc

can't wait for your reply because frankly the Bush's and the Cheney's and their families deserve a reply

:laugh: :rofl: :yelrotflm :lolup: :lol: :icon_rofl :rolling2:
Even if that ridiculous BS was true (that I could be sued for libel), I'd be number 123,586,321st on the list. And I'm not suggesting they're killing Americans for profit... I'm outright saying it's my opinion that this war was started for personal reasons. And, it's one shared by plenty of other people who come right out and say so in the media every day, including soldiers. Anybody who thinks Cheney isn't helping his old friends at Halliburton clean up, is either naive or has stabbed themselves in the eyes and ears with a fork.

"In recent years the company has become the center of several controversies involving the 2003 Iraq War and the company's ties to U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney retired from the company during the 2000 U.S. presidential election campaign with a severance package worth $34 million. As of 2004, he had received $398,548 in deferred compensation from Halliburton while Vice President. Cheney also retains unexercised stock options at Halliburton, which have been valued at nearly $8 million."

Now, some of the $8 million goes to several charities for which he'll receive tax exemptions, and some goes to the University of Wyoming in his home state. But there are 34,398,548 reasons for Cheney to make sure Halliburton gets the contracts in Iraq. Contracts that continue to be investigated for fraud to this day.

And frankly, YOU think they deserve a reply? Who the f..k are you? Have you got them waiting online for my reply?:laugh: I mean, are you at the top of their Christmas card list, or something? How often do you talk to them? Tell you what: The next time you're on the phone with the Bush's and Cheney's, tell them I think they've done more to destroy this country than any two men in the history of our government.

[timNem]

: The next time you're on the phone with the Bush's and Cheney's, tell them I think they've done more to destroy this country than any two men in the history of our government.

I agree with you that Bush is destroying us through Immigration and has made some mistakes with Iraq but to think what our country would have done post 9-11 with a total dumbass like Gore is scary. But that is nothing. Ever heard of China Gate? Here is a brief summary and note that Clinton did all this just for campaign funds and got away with it because Janet Reno stalled any investigations until the Statute of limitations expired. The content in this summary is just the tip of the iceberg in what happened.


The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/917940/posts)

1996 United States campaign finance controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy)

[gatorunvrsty]

I agree with you that Bush is destroying us through Immigration and has made some mistakes with Iraq but to think what our country would have done post 9-11 with a total dumbass like Gore is scary. But that is nothing. Ever heard of China Gate? Here is a brief summary and note that Clinton did all this just for campaign funds and got away with it because Janet Reno stalled any investigations until the Statute of limitations expired. The content in this summary is just the tip of the iceberg in what happened.


The Idiot's Guide to Chinagate (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/917940/posts)

It wasn't my intent to get into a political debate about which leaders have been our worst. Aza took my opinion, and countered with a personal attack. I will say this: While I certainly don't condone much of what the Clinton administration did; his misdeeds have had far less tragic consequences. Had Clinton done what Bush has, he'd have been impeached (again) while Republicans screamed for and demanded his removal from office. They impeached the man for lying about a BJ, for God's sake. The Bush administration flat out lied to and manipulated all Americans. Virtually nothing they said about why we needed to invade a sovereign nation was the truth. And, little by little, we're finding out they knew it wasn't. After it's all said and done...when all the records get declassified, I think we'll find out about some of the most horrible abuses of power and office that the country has ever dared to imagine. I think it'll be far worse than all the things that came to light about Reagan and the Contras. Now, after the man (Reagan) is gone, and had everything conceivable named after him; we find out just how reprehensible some of his actions were. We finally find out he knew everything all along. But, with the passage of time, few people have made it their business to know or care. His reputation remains intact through apathy and time. Bush may not pass before his truths come out. He may actually live long enough to answer for his transgressions.

[azamugg]

Are you trying to tell me that the company responsible for managing ports won't have a say in its security interests?

yes sir I am

[azamugg]

:laugh: :rofl: :yelrotflm :lolup: :lol: :icon_rofl :rolling2:
Even if that ridiculous BS was true (that I could be sued for libel), I'd be number 123,586,321st on the list. And I'm not suggesting they're killing Americans for profit... I'm outright saying it's my opinion that this war was started for personal reasons. And, it's one shared by plenty of other people who come right out and say so in the media every day, including soldiers. Anybody who thinks Cheney isn't helping his old friends at Halliburton clean up, is either naive or has stabbed themselves in the eyes and ears with a fork.

"In recent years the company has become the center of several controversies involving the 2003 Iraq War and the company's ties to U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney retired from the company during the 2000 U.S. presidential election campaign with a severance package worth $34 million. As of 2004, he had received $398,548 in deferred compensation from Halliburton while Vice President. Cheney also retains unexercised stock options at Halliburton, which have been valued at nearly $8 million."

Now, some of the $8 million goes to several charities for which he'll receive tax exemptions, and some goes to the University of Wyoming in his home state. But there are 34,398,548 reasons for Cheney to make sure Halliburton gets the contracts in Iraq. Contracts that continue to be investigated for fraud to this day.

And frankly, YOU think they deserve a reply? Who the f..k are you? Have you got them waiting online for my reply?:laugh: I mean, are you at the top of their Christmas card list, or something? How often do you talk to them? Tell you what: The next time you're on the phone with the Bush's and Cheney's, tell them I think they've done more to destroy this country than any two men in the history of our government.

there has been no personal attack on you, just an exuberant rebuttal.........Haliburton is the largest contractor of its kind in the entire world.....an equivalent accusation would be to say that since Bush and Cheney own stock in Coca Cola that they started this war for profit to increase coca cola sales to soldiers in Iraq, and that Coca Cola has unfairly over others been given exclusivety in soda offerings

[azamugg]

plus Congress bought the same intelligence that Bush/Cheney/Powell bought........the accusation is that Bush and company manipulated that intelligence so yes, that is to be discovered and proved if true

[dcbama]

Bush may not pass before his truths come out. He may actually live long enough to answer for his transgressions.

Come on Gator, let's be real. Transgressions is a pretty big word for W to comprehend. It has 14 letters and more than 2 syllables, so it will be tough for him to figure out what transgessions are, much less answer for them. I guess he could always look it up on "the internets"!

[azamugg]

first understand that while Im independent moreso than republican/democrat, it amazes me how much fun people make of Bush......I mean, hell, we're all southern and we get irritated when the nation patronizes/condescends, hell makes fun of us because of our accent but yet merely because of political differences people make fun of him for what they hate to be made fun of.......a verbal gaffe here and there, sure, an accent, sure but I believe he did graduate from an Ivy League School w/ a better GPA than John Kerry

[gatorunvrsty]

there has been no personal attack on you, just an exuberant rebuttal.........Haliburton is the largest contractor of its kind in the entire world.....an equivalent accusation would be to say that since Bush and Cheney own stock in Coca Cola that they started this war for profit to increase coca cola sales to soldiers in Iraq, and that Coca Cola has unfairly over others been given exclusivety in soda offerings

Hardly. Neither of them were executives of Coke; and now have influence regarding the awarding of soda contracts (if there is such a thing).

[uscrebel]

Actually, listed below are some documents that indicate that the Bush and Cheney families DO indeed have an interest in various things that are affected by policy decisions.

I am not sure that most people think that Bush/Cheney said, "Let's send a bunch of young men and women to get killed to increase our Halliburton margin." Rather, the issue is more one of who they think about and listen to when they make such bonehead decisions. They are much more beholding to the interest that they believe put them in Washington. That would not include a lot working class slobs or middle class folks. The decisions to invade or name-call other countries is made based on how it will effect the markets, not how it will effect the average citizen.

During Viet Nam, one of the issues was that many of the grunts were African-American guys who could not put together an educational deference. I realize that most of you are too young to remember this, but you stayed in school so that you didn't have to go to Viet Nam. The situation has changed now in this regard, absent a draft, the administration is mobilizing reserve and guard units that are populated by working class stiffs who have served in the Guard to make ends meet.

In my upper middle class world, I do not know a single family with a son or daughter in Iraq or Afghanistan. This is the world in which the Bush/Cheney folks are making war decisions. If you don't know people in olive drab other than generals, then you think about war in a different way.

No, I do not believe that Cheney has dreamed up combat fodder as a means of feathering his nest. Rather, I think that he is out of touch with the impact of the war on the average citizen because a large part of his decision-making matrix is tilted towards survival of energy companies, not the survival of American GI's. Remember, this is the guy who crafted an energy policy using only input from energy company executives and then refused to say who those folks were because he needed to protect their privacy...screw the privacy of the electorate...they were unimportant.

Articles......I tried to focus on mainstream media, not blogs or freako websites.

Canadian Think Tank Piece (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAD201A.html)

Cheney Stock (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/26/politics/main575356.shtml)

Neil's Brief Bio (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A35297-2003Dec27?language=printer)

Ignite! Link (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_42/b4005059.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_business week+exclusives)

"Fears, Again, of Oil Supplies at Risk" New York Times, August 3, 2003.
[Could not find the link to this one, but you should be able to find it somehow.] It is a story about the impact of George Bush, Sr. who acted as a lobbyist for the Saudi's with his son over decisions to invade Iraq. George, St. is a $500K per year consultant with the Carlyle Group who actively intervenes on behalf of Saudi Arabia, the Arab Emirates, Kuwait, and two other Gulf nations

[cocky4ever]

first understand that while Im independent moreso than republican/democrat, it amazes me how much fun people make of Bush......I mean, hell, we're all southern and we get irritated when the nation patronizes/condescends, hell makes fun of us because of our accent but yet merely because of political differences people make fun of him for what they hate to be made fun of.......a verbal gaffe here and there...

Are you serious??! Hellen Keller had a better grasp of the English language than Bush v.2.0:ohmy:

[cocky4ever]

The solution to the original problem presented in this thread is pretty simple:

Unite our allies and divide our enemies....unfortunately this administration has enacted policies that have done just the opposite.

[uscrebel]

Hardly. Neither of them were executives of Coke; and now have influence regarding the awarding of soda contracts (if there is such a thing).

But, Bush's brother Neil does own an educational software company "Ignite!" that managed to secure a lucrative deal with the Department of Education to pay $8000 per copy or $80 per seat for Ignite to be placed in hundreds of school districts. Since 2003, Bush has earned about $20 million on the venture. (Not including the initial $23 Million in capital he raised from "investors" that included Saudi Arabia and China) He also managed a sweetheart deal with the State of Florida shortly before that other Bush scion left Tallahassee.

Ironically, Bush trumpets the software as being aimed "making education more fun for students who don't like to read." Wonder who he had in mind here?

[gatorunvrsty]

Come on Gator, let's be real. Transgressions is a pretty big word for W to comprehend. It has 14 letters and more than 2 syllables, so it will be tough for him to figure out what transgessions are, much less answer for them. I guess he could always look it up on "the internets"!

:laugh: I can't debate this. It does give me an opportunity to address Aza's next post, however. Does anyone honestly think Bush could have graduated from YALE if his name wasn't George Bush; and if the boys (father and son) didn't spend their weekends at the Skull & Bones Tomb? Give me a break about the Yale thing. Barbara still writes his name in his underwear so he doesn't stretch out Laura's.:laugh: Jeb got all the brains, and George got all the breaks. The Bush vs. Kerry comparison brings to mind a funny saying I heard. The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. And, at least Kerry was actually a patriot. Bush was AWOL; out drinking and doing dope, while Kerry was beating a machine-gunner to death with his bare hands in Vietnam. And that's a confirmed story.

It's not his media stumbles that lead me to question his intelligence; although there are far too many to be a COINKYDINK. It's his lack of common knowledge regarding foreign policy. He reminds me of the commercial where the boss asks his employee to put a tack in China; and the guy is clueless. That someone that stupid and stubborn can be our President speaks volumes about the education of the voters. Too few have one. They were duped by passion for revenge and fear. The man refuses to take advice from men who have studied these things all their lives. In fact, he refuses to believe or accept recommendations from experts, scientists, and researchers on virtually every issue that comes before him. It's confounding! In my opinion, he makes decisions based solely on the effect it will have on "HIS" people.