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KillerNut
03-13-2007, 08:15 AM
Smith provides positive numbers
Quarterback fares well in workouts before pro scouts, coaches
Sunday, March 11, 2007
Ken Gordon
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH



Troy Smith let his workout do the talking yesterday, and the results might have stemmed the rising tide of naysayers.

The Ohio State quarterback had seen his draft stock slide ever since he won the Heisman Trophy in December. Smith suffered through a disastrous national title game, then did not wow scouts at the NFL combine in February, particularly when he said he wasn’t running the 40-yard dash in part because he had been on the banquet circuit.

So he had a lot at stake at OSU’s pro day, attended by about 60 scouts and coaches. And it appears he did well.

Smith ran two 40s, in 4.65 and 4.71 seconds. That would have placed him second among the 15 quarterbacks who ran at the combine, behind only Jared Zabransky of Boise State.

Smith also posted a 36½-inch vertical jump and a 10-foot, 2-inch broad jump (both best among combine QBs). He weighed in at 222 pounds — three lighter than he was at the combine.

And his throwing drew favorable reviews.

"Troy did what you expected him to do," Cleveland Browns general manager Phil Savage said. "He does have a strong arm, (and) he obviously has been working on his drops. He was impressive, as you expected him to be. He runs pretty smooth; he ran fast enough for a quarterback."

One thing Smith did not do was talk to the media. He left the Woody Hayes Athletic Center by a back door and declined to comment, telling a reporter that interviews had to be cleared through his business manager.

Smith has been tutored for the past several months by Jerry Rhome, a former quarterback and longtime NFL assistant coach.

Rhome, who was hired by Smith’s agent, scoffed at anonymous postcombine talk that Smith had flaws in his throwing motion.

"Who said that?" Rhome said. "All I know is that watching him the past two months, all I’ve seen is a beautiful delivery and a rifle arm."

Ohio State’s other offensive stars from 2006 did not run 40s. Receiver Ted Ginn Jr. is still recovering from a sprained foot suffered in the Jan. 8 title game and was in street clothes.

He plans to hold a private workout for scouts at Ohio State sometime in April.

"I just want to be comfortable and be in the best shape that I can be," Ginn said, "so when I do go out and do my stuff, I’ll be right."

Running back Antonio Pittman and receiver Anthony Gonzalez did everything but the 40. Both were satisfied with their combine 40s (Pittman was 4.4 and Gonzalez 4.44).

Receiver Roy Hall, who totaled just 52 catches in his college career, made the biggest impression. He ran between a 4.35 and 4.42, impressive for a 6-foot-3, 230-pound player.

"It meant a lot, being here five years, and a lot of people said I didn’t produce the way I was supposed to," Hall said. "But it all comes together in the end. Hopefully, I showed some people I could play just as well as some of those other guys."

Posted on NFL.com - Official Site of the National Football League (http://www.nfl.com:)

OHIO STATE: MARCH 10

Ohio State worked out today, and we'll have the results later on. Ted Ginn Jr., who didn't work at the Combine, also didn't work out at the Pro Day, citing his still sore foot.

Player Position Gil's comments

Troy Smith QB Smith (222 pounds) ran 4.77 and 4.72 in the 40 on what is considered a fast track. He also notched a 36 ½-inch vertical, a 10-foot-2 broad jump, a 4.23 short shuttle and a 6.93 three-cone drill. He spent 30 minutes throwing the ball in passing drills, and he looked good throwing to Anthony Gonzalez, among others. He was very competitive, trying the short shuttle three times in order to get a better time. All in all, he probably helped himself in the draft.

Justin Zwick QB Zwick (6-3 3/8, 230) ran 4.77 and 4.78 in the 40. He also notched a 32-inch vertical, a 9-foot-1 broad jump, a 4.42 short shuttle and a 6.97 three-cone drill. He was on of the most sought-after recruits in the nation four years ago, and he eventually won the starting job at Ohio State but lost it to Troy Smith.

Stan White Jr. FB White Jr. (6-0 ½, 252) ran 4.85 and 4.77 in the 40. He also notched a 39 ½-inch vertical, a 9-foot-4 broad jump, a 4.18 short shuttle and a 7.20 three-cone drill. His dad was an outstanding linebacker for the Baltimore Colts for many years.

Jay Richardson DE Richardson (280) ran 4.94 and 4.90 in the 40. He also notched a 4.63 short shuttle and a 7.26 three-cone drill, choosing to stand on hi Combine jump numbers.

Tim Schaffer OL Schaffer (6-4 ½, 280) ran 5.23 and 5.07 in the 40. He also notched a 28 ½-inch vertical, an 8-foot-6 broad jump, a 4.50 short shuttle, a 7.30 three-cone drill and 20 bench presses.

Quinn Pitcock DL Pitcock (296) recorded 23 bench presses but stood on the rest of his Combine numbers.

Antonio Pittman RB Pittman (210) chose to stand on his Combine numbers.

David Patterson DT Patterson (294) chose to stand on his Combine numbers.

Anthony Gonzalez WR Gonzalez (195) recorded 16 bench presses, but other than that, he did positional workouts only.

Doug Datish OL Datish (302) chose to stand on his Combine numbers.

Roy Hall WR Hall (6-2, 229) ran 4.41 and 4.42 in the 40. He also notched a 37 ½-inch vertical, a 10-foot-3 broad jump, a 4.13 short shuttle, a 6.65 three-cone drill and 19 bench presses.

T.J. Downing OL Downing (6-4 ¼, 298) ran 5.19 and 5.29 in the 40. He also notched a 28 ½-inch vertical, a 9-foot broad jump, a 4.63 short shuttle, a 7.81 three-cone drill and 31 bench presses. His father was a Michigan graduate and a longtime NFL player with the San Francisco 49ers.

GO BUCKS!!!

scfan5338
03-13-2007, 03:35 PM
I think at best, Troy Smith is a late second early third rounder. No way he gets higher than that.

KillerNut
03-14-2007, 09:08 AM
I think at best, Troy Smith is a late second early third rounder. No way he gets higher than that.

I have a gut feeling that the Browns will take him in the second or early thrid round. I still don't see why everyone is drooling over JaMarcus Russell. I know he is a great quarterback physically, but does he have that ability to take over games and lead a comeback and put up gaudy statistics? I mean just because he is 6'6", can throw a ball 100 yards, and had one great bowl game, how can that elevate you to being in the top 2 draft choices automatically? Brady Quinn has a great arm and is very accurate but is totally lost outside of the pocket and has little to no scrambling ability and is easily rattled. I know Troy is only 6' tall and that supossedly hurts him but he is a proven winner with a 28-3 overall record, a cannon arm with pretty decent accuracy, pulled out some awesome performances, lead a great comeback at Michigan a few years ago, can scramble really good, is "THE" wolverine slayer, and is not easily rattled. I know all of the Florida fans are going to pounce on this statement but really the NC was Troy's only bad performance ever. I am not trying to say that he is a top 10 draft choice, but I think is worthy of a mid to late first round pick. IMHO

SeanVol
03-14-2007, 11:21 AM
I have a gut feeling that the Browns will take him in the second or early thrid round. I still don't see why everyone is drooling over JaMarcus Russell. I know he is a great quarterback physically, but does he have that ability to take over games and lead a comeback and put up gaudy statistics? I mean just because he is 6'6", can throw a ball 100 yards, and had one great bowl game, how can that elevate you to being in the top 2 draft choices automatically? Brady Quinn has a great arm and is very accurate but is totally lost outside of the pocket and has little to know scrambling ability and is easily rattled. I know Troy is only 6' tall and that supossedly hurts him but he is a proven winner with a 28-3 overall record, a cannon arm with pretty decent accuracy, pulled out some awesome performances, lead a great comeback at Michigan a few years ago, can scramble really good, is "THE" wolverine slayer, and is not easily rattled. I know all of the Florida fans are going to pounce on this statement but really the NC was Troy's only bad performance ever. I am not trying to say that he is a top 10 draft choice, but I think is worthy of a mid to late first round pick. IMHO

Troy Smith can succeed in the NFL IMO. Steve Young was only 6' 1", so 1 inch isn't to make much of difference. Now, because of his athletic ability a coach in the NFL may want to pull the trigger to quick on moving him to WR without giving him time to develop as a QB.

Cianne
03-14-2007, 12:40 PM
I know he is a great quarterback physically, but does he have that ability to take over games and lead a comeback and put up gaudy statistics?

Yes because he did it twice last year.

KillerNut
03-14-2007, 02:26 PM
Yes because he did it twice last year.

Thats no different than Troy did in 2005 againist Michigan(400 yards passing and rushing) and Notre Dame (600 yards passing and rushing) last year by himself. IMHO, Russell is no different than T. Smith. other than Russell is 6'6" and can launch a ball like a M198 Howitzer. Troy isn't the physical specimen that Russell is but I think that his football smarts are alot better than most quarterbacks in this years draft. Just look at some of Troy's great "heisman" plays where he made something out of nothing. Up to the NC game this year, Troy has always performed big time in big games. He had 600 yards of offense himself alone last year in the Fiesta Bowl. He has put up 400 + yards againist Michigan the last 3 years. He performed huge againist Texas and Iowa this year in primetime. Troy had 31 touchdowns to 5 interceptions this year during the regular season. I think that he is being critized too much and scouts and experts need to remember what this guy is capable of. I know having a 6'6" quarterback is great but if you don't have football smarts to go along with it than, your phyical attributes are futile.

Gator2753
03-14-2007, 02:43 PM
Someone will give Troy a shot at QB someday.

scfan5338
03-14-2007, 03:04 PM
Look what happened to Troy Smith when he played the Gators. Granted it was only one game, that is the kind of defense he is going to play against in the NFL. Big fast DL,DE and LB's. He struggled against speed on the defense, that is why I think his stock is dropping. While Russell played in the SEC against those great defense with the tremendous speed and he succeded.

KillerNut
03-14-2007, 03:33 PM
If Troy Smith was a quarterback in the SEC, I believe that he might not have won the Heisman, but he would have been a great quarterback.

bigsexxxy
03-14-2007, 03:57 PM
Thats no different than Troy did in 2005 againist Michigan(400 yards passing and rushing) and Notre Dame (600 yards passing and rushing) last year by himself. IMHO, Russell is no different than T. Smith. other than Russell is 6'6" and can launch a ball like a M198 Howitzer. Troy isn't the physical specimen that Russell is but I think that his football smarts are alot better than most quarterbacks in this years draft. Just look at some of Troy's great "heisman" plays where he made something out of nothing. Up to the NC game this year, Troy has always performed big time in big games. He had 600 yards of offense himself alone last year in the Fiesta Bowl. He has put up 400 + yards againist Michigan the last 3 years. He performed huge againist Texas and Iowa this year in primetime. Troy had 31 touchdowns to 5 interceptions this year during the regular season. I think that he is being critized too much and scouts and experts need to remember what this guy is capable of. I know having a 6'6" quarterback is great but if you don't have football smarts to go along with it than, your phyical attributes are futile.

Putting up huge numbers on ND doesn't really impress anybody anymore. Michigan? Yes. ND? Not so much.

All homerism aside, who would you take if you had the choice, Russell or Smith?

Cianne
03-14-2007, 06:33 PM
Thats no different than Troy...

I wasn't comparing Russell to Smith. You questioned whether he could do it, and I answered the question.

KillerNut
03-15-2007, 07:58 AM
Putting up huge numbers on ND doesn't really impress anybody anymore. Michigan? Yes. ND? Not so much.

All homerism aside, who would you take if you had the choice, Russell or Smith?

IMHO, it would be a hard choice, but I would go with Smith. I know I am going to get hammered for making that "homer" choice but I think that this guy can perform. Great football insticts and a proven winner. Just look at Brees, Vick, Steve Young, McNabb, Flutie, etc... All are around 6' tall and have proven to be successful in the NFL. Height is nice, but overrated.

Order IMO Quarterback's should be drafted.
1. T. Smith
2. Russell
3. Stanton
4. Leak
5. Quinn - weenie
6. Kolb, Edwards, Zabransky - all future Arena Football League stars

GatorHunter
03-15-2007, 09:48 AM
Pro scouts see Russell and think....Donovan McNabb and Daunte Culpepper....that's what they see. Russell has the potential to be a great QB...cannon for an arm, he's pretty accurate and can move around in the pocket well....his only problem in CFB was making the "correct" decision...and the NFL coaches think they are good enough to coach that up.

Honestly...I have only seen Smith play in 2-3 games...he was a good college QB....I've seen Russell make some awesome plays, and some stupid ones and watched him countless times. I'd have to go with Russell...non-biased opinion. With better coaching, I think Russell could have been awesome. I don't think Smith would have been as successful in the SEC.

KillerNut
03-15-2007, 10:29 AM
Pro scouts see Russell and think....Donovan McNabb and Daunte Culpepper....that's what they see. Russell has the potential to be a great QB...cannon for an arm, he's pretty accurate and can move around in the pocket well....his only problem in CFB was making the "correct" decision...and the NFL coaches think they are good enough to coach that up.

Honestly...I have only seen Smith play in 2-3 games...he was a good college QB....I've seen Russell make some awesome plays, and some stupid ones and watched him countless times. I'd have to go with Russell...non-biased opinion. With better coaching, I think Russell could have been awesome. I don't think Smith would have been as successful in the SEC.

IMO, I believe that he would have been pretty good.