Is it ok for Christians to drink alcohol?

[Gator2753]

I am a Christian and am really torn on this issue. It is clear in the bible that God condemns drunkenness but that is not my question. For most everyone, one glass of wine or one or two beers is not enough to get you anywhere near drunk. So my question is this. Is it wrong for Christians of any denomination to drink alcohol on a casual basis but NEVER get drunk?

Here is an interesting article I googled,
(Note: About half of the websites I found were against drinking alcohol and the other half said it was ok as long as you don't get drunk)



Question: Does the Bible condemn drinking wine?

Answer: Total abstinence was never the position of the church until the Women's Temperance Union and the Anti-Saloon League, which were the result of two women: Eliza ("Mother Stewart" as she called herself) and Frances E. Willard. Their history of petitions and crusades dates back to 1873, and they affected not only national politics but most of Evangelicalism as well - to such a degree, in fact, that "total abstinence" became standard issue in church covenants. Still today, in our post-prohibitionist society, many Christians feel that drinking alcohol is immoral.

So much for history. For my part, I cannot see where the Bible forbids drinking wine. In fact, in Romans 14, it is the weaker brother who has the scruples in this regard. God does condemn drunkenness, and there are plenty of Biblical passages which refer to the abuse of wine (Prov. 20:1; Eph. 5:18) and even the restricted use of it in deference to the weaker brother (Rom.14:21). But Scripture does not outlaw drinking per se. Indeed, there are some verses which seem to refer to alcoholic wine as a gift and blessing from God (Psalm 104:15; Prov. 3:10, for example). And, in fact, Scripture expressly allows us freely to partake of all of God's creation and goes so far as to condemn those who teach otherwise (1Cor.10:25-26; 1Tim. 4:1-6). Wine drinking cannot be forbidden on Biblical grounds.

There have been some who have questioned whether the wine used in the New Testament was alcoholic, but the question is useless. In those days people had no knowledge of pasteurization (which prevents fermentation) - if you make grape juice, it becomes wine. It was wine that they drank and expressly allowed. Granted, naturally fermented wine is only six percent alcohol - just twelve proof. And in the Biblical world this was diluted still further. Still, however, the diluted wine they used was alcoholic and fully capable, therefore, of making a person drunk - as, for example, at the observance of the Lord's Supper at Corinth (1 Cor. 11:21).

We must frankly admit, however, that the Bible's mention of wine is generally negative and with attending warnings. Accordingly, many Christians still feel that abstaining from the consumption of alcoholic beverages is the best course of action. That is of course a safe choice, even if it not a required choice. There may be other considerations which lead to this position also, such as the concern for the weaker brother (Romans 14; 1 Cor. 8-10) or a Christian who finds himself in a situation in which his "good may be evil-spoken of" - particularly in a society where prohibitionist sympathies remain.

And so the issue is perhaps a bit complicated. No, the Bible does not forbid drinking - it expressly allows it. But it also gives consistent warning about the dangers involved. (In this regard it resembles the Bible's teaching about money - it is not evil in itself but dangerous and so often mentioned in the negative.) Given its high potential for abuse, its ability to entrap unsuspectingly, and given the problems which so many personally have had or have seen associated with it, and given the stronger alcoholic content of today's wine, many feel it safest to refrain altogether. But it is not a Biblical prohibition. In the end, therefore, and with these cautions in mind, this is a question of Christian liberty which each believer is free to decide for himself.

[Seppeh]

I'm sorry but the bible is not going to tell me what I can and cannot drink/eat.

[gatorunvrsty]

I don't think God (whatever your idea of God is) would forbid alcohol. It would be forbidden to abuse the gift he gave you. If your consumption of alcohol got to the point where it made you unhealthy, physically or mentally, it would be an abuse of his gift to you. Of course, there's a fine line between use and abuse. I think one has to reflect on how it makes them treat others and themselves. My personal opinion is that God wants us to be happy, above all else. When alcohol use gets to the point where the consequences of that use make you unhappy, you're done. And, if your use infringes on the happiness of others, you're done. It's all a matter of your own personal circumstances. I think anyone who thinks they were all drinking grape juice instead of wine during the time of Jesus, hasn't done their homework. Again, I don't think it's the consumption of any one thing; but the over-consumption (abuse) of something. Many people misquote the Scripture, saying money is the root of all evil. That's not what it says. It says the WANT of money is the root of all evil. Greed, in all its forms (including consumption), is the sin. Money is a necessity.

[Gator2753]

I don't think God (whatever your idea of God is) would forbid alcohol. It would be forbidden to abuse the gift he gave you. If your consumption of alcohol got to the point where it made you unhealthy, physically or mentally, it would be an abuse of his gift to you. Of course, there's a fine line between use and abuse. I think one has to reflect on how it makes them treat others and themselves. My personal opinion is that God wants us to be happy, above all else. When alcohol use gets to the point where the consequences of that use make you unhappy, you're done. And, if your use infringes on the happiness of others, you're done. It's all a matter of your own personal circumstances. I think anyone who thinks they were all drinking grape juice instead of wine during the time of Jesus, hasn't done their homework. Again, I don't think it's the consumption of any one thing; but the over-consumption (abuse) of something. Many people misquote the Scripture, saying money is the root of all evil. That's not what it says. It says the WANT of money is the root of all evil. Greed, in all its forms (including consumption), is the sin. Money is a necessity.

The Greek translation of wine is... well wine. The alcoholic wine.
Anytime someone from the bible drank grape juice it was referred to as "fruit of the vine" in Greek.

I've read the term "wine" in the bible a whole lot more than "fruit of the vine" so there was most certainly alcoholic wine during the time of Jesus.

I think you hit the nail right on the head as far as personal convictions goes. Thats good stuff.

[Bburton86]

Do you think it's okay to eat shrooms?

[Gator2753]

Do you think it's okay to eat shrooms?

:unsure: Umm I just had some on my pizza like 30 mins ago.

[timNem]

IMO alcohol itself is not a sin. Red wine is actually healthy to consume. If someone uses it as an excuse to stay drunk all the time then that might be a problem or if someone who had past problems with alcohol should stir far from it.

[Bburton86]

:unsure: Umm I just had some on my pizza like 30 mins ago.

How are the visuals?

[RW13]

I love me some alcohol..........:)

[AUFootball24]

Do you think it's okay to eat shrooms?

I don't see what the harm is. They're natural, harmless to your body, and make you peaceful, not violent like alcohol can.

[Gator2753]

How are the visuals?

Your sig just changed. Was that you or the shrooms? :laugh:

[Bburton86]

Your sig just changed. Was that you or the shrooms? :laugh:

No, that's just because it's getting close to Bonnaroo season. Gotta start buying new CDs and doing research for this year.

[roosterbooster]

It is an interesting Biblical issue. Many times in the Hebrew and Greek the words are interchangeable for wine and grape juice. As stated above anything in excess is sinful. This scripture from Timothy suggests alcohol in moderation is OK.
Ti 3:2-3 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.


1Timothy 3:8 Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain.

It appears in those 2 scriptures there is a different standard. Therefore the use of alcohol does not seem to be condemned. Paul also states the biggest problem with vices is if they cause your brother to fall.

As far as the excess thing goes I doubt very seriously we are going to find anyone in an SEC football forum capable of throwing the first stone.

[Bburton86]

As far as the excess thing goes I doubt very seriously we are going to find anyone in an SEC football forum capable of throwing the first stone.


BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHhahahaha

[JerryBeeds]

I don't see what the harm is. They're natural, harmless to your body, and make you peaceful, not violent like alcohol can.

They make you peaceful if you don't tweak. I've seen some people lose their sh!t before and the last thing they were was peaceful.

[Bburton86]

They make you peaceful if you don't tweak. I've seen some people lose their sh!t before and the last thing they were was peaceful.

You just have to take them in an environment you are comfortable in, around people you are comfortable with. I've lost it before and it was no fun but when those things are on they are awesome.

Coming down is no fun though.

[JerryBeeds]

You just have to take them in an environment you are comfortable in, around people you are comfortable with. I've lost it before and it was no fun but when those things are on they are awesome.

Coming down is no fun though.

I prefer Molly when I go to shows.

[Bburton86]

what shows?

[JerryBeeds]

what shows?

Panic.:thumpsup:

[Bburton86]

Nice, I've seen them 4 or 5 times. They're headlining this year. You gonna come.

[azamugg]

You just have to take them in an environment you are comfortable in, around people you are comfortable with. I've lost it before and it was no fun but when those things are on they are awesome.

Coming down is no fun though.

yea, gotta watch the amount too, Ive BUGGED on shrooms, kept my sh&t but definitely was hard to keep a grip ........it was the first time for me and I drank a two tall glasses of tea and ate probably waaaaay too many

[timNem]

yea, gotta watch the amount too, Ive BUGGED on shrooms, kept my sh&t but definitely was hard to keep a grip ........it was the first time for me and I drank a two tall glasses of tea and ate probably waaaaay too manyYou're bringing back very fuzzy memories of the 1994 Pink Floyd live at Legion Field.

[GeauxTo]

No, that's just because it's getting close to Bonnaroo season. Gotta start buying new CDs and doing research for this year.

You need to come on down to the Jazz Fest in New Orleans; last weekend in April, first weekend in May. Unbelieveable lineup this year.

[gatorunvrsty]

I've got a 'shroom tattooed on my ankle. I've personally never had a bad trip on them or LSD. But, I have had to do a lot of baby-sitting for rookies. One thing I've learned in my day is that the hallucinogens amplify whatever mood you're in when you start. If you're angry, you're likely to get very angry as you start tripping. If you're happy and laid back, you'll be laughing so hard your cheeks and ribs will be hurting the next day. Perma-grin.:happy: And if you're sad or depressed, you might just have a bad trip. Or if you're scared or have been dosed without you're knowledge, there might be a bad trip in the works. Those days are long gone for me, but during my storied career, I took over 1000 hits of acid and ate more than my share of 'shrooms; and escaped without any bad experiences. My best time was 3 hits of 4-way at Pink Floyd in Bobby Dodd Stadium. Flying pigs and the re-introduction of formerly banned gold lasers. COOL.:whaa:

[AUChamps]

It is for Catholics. Oh yeah, we can GAMBLE too.

Everyone says Catholics are the tough Christians but in reality we're some of the most easygoing. We're the original organized Christians too.

[gatorunvrsty]

It is for Catholics. Oh yeah, we can GAMBLE too.

Everyone says Catholics are the tough Christians but in reality we're some of the most easygoing. We're the original organized Christians too.

True story. All successive religions are just versions of Catholicism with changes to suit a particular man or group. Men who didn't agree with certain aspects of Catholicism just used it as a guide, and made up their own religion.

[Bburton86]

You need to come on down to the Jazz Fest in New Orleans; last weekend in April, first weekend in May. Unbelieveable lineup this year.

I want to but this is the first year I get to go to SXSW. My Dad has gone for the past 10 or so years and this is the first chance I've had free time. I don't think I'll be able to do both.

[sheluvsbama]

I am a Buddhist and I think it is ok to drink,but not to drink with the purpose of getting drunk. Ofcourse many of us have done this anyway. It is a question that you must decide for yourself. Do you feel guilty if you drink at all?

[KillerNut]

If alcohol is a sin, then I am going to Hell!

[Gator2753]

I am a Buddhist and I think it is ok to drink,but not to drink with the purpose of getting drunk. Ofcourse many of us have done this anyway. It is a question that you must decide for yourself. Do you feel guilty if you drink at all?

That seems to be the general consensus here. Personal conviction seems to be the determining factor.

Are there any religions out there that absolutley forbid drinking? Islam perhaps?

[SEC FAN 5011]

Here is a good resource Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (http://www.swbts.edu)

Concerning Alcoholic Beverages, Fermented Juices and the Believer
by Paige Patterson
References to wine are frequent in both the Old and New Testaments. The Masoretic text of the Old Testament employs the Hebrew word "yayin" in the vast majority of cases -- 141 times to be exact. A handful of other words are translated “wine” but not with enough frequency to matter. The Greek term "oinos" is used predominantly in the New Testament, and coming through Latin is transliterated into English as “wine.” The Greek term "gleukos" (literally, “sweet wine”) is sometimes used.

The wines varied in kind and strength. However, four basic varieties may be distinguished, all of which are described indiscriminately by "oinos:"
(1) Freshly pressed grape juice, which had been stomped out by the, hopefully, clean feet of a local family in their private wine vats, or else crushed in grape presses of stone. In the climate of Palestine, fermentation began within 24 hours, so pure unfermented grape juice was available only for a brief time.
(2) The initial, violent, foaming fermentation process lasted about one week. The wine was then transferred to new wineskins for 40 days of further fermentation. The heavier matter, “lees” or “dregs,” would settle to the bottom, and then the wine would be drawn off, providing the daily drink.
(3) Sometimes the wine would be left on the lees to ferment still further. This provided a real knock-out punch, one evidently imbibed by only a few since it often turned insipid and unbearable. (Jeremiah 48:11).
(4) Wine frequently was diluted with water or herbs or both. On the cross, Jesus was offered such a concoction of cheap, low-grade wine, which He refused.
The Attitude of Scripture
In strict fairness, one must acknowledge that the ancients, however noble, imbibed without reluctance. Evidently the prophets and the apostles did not view this as wrong, so long as it was a small glass of wine (see varieties Nos. 1, 2 or 4 mentioned above) taken with the noon or evening meal. These wines, of course, were locally produced.
At this point, however, a significant difference exists between what is permissible and what is best for the child of God. In addition to the constant clear identification of drunkenness as a highly disreputable and debilitating sort of sin, please note the following:
-- The Nazarite (one who was especially separated unto God) was prohibited from the use of wine altogether
(see Numbers 6:3; Judges 13:4-7, 13-14).
-- In Jeremiah 35:1-10, the Rechabites are highly commended by God and by Jeremiah for their total abstinence.
-- John the Baptist, touted by Jesus as “the greatest born among men,” was a total abstainer. He was evidently patterning his lifestyle after that of the Nazarite Law, and thereby expressing God’s prescription for what is the best for a godly man. In fact, the angelic announcement to Zacharias prohibited John the Baptist from using any wine (Luke 1:15). Here also is noted the first specific contrast between the fullness of the Spirit and the use of wine. This contrast occurs again at Pentecost in Acts 2, and again in Ephesians 5:18.

-In the three instances outlined above, the very significant question “why?” must be broached. Apparently of the three categories given -- prohibition, acceptability and God’s ideal -- the above situations fall under the ideal of complete abstinence, and hence appear to be most acceptable to God.
To this evidence must be added Scripture’s numerous warnings against strong drink. Here are a few:
-- Strong drink is deceitful.
“Wine is a mocker, strong drink is a brawler, and whosoever is led astray by it is not wise” (Proverbs 20:1).
-- Strong drink is prohibited for those in leadership.
“It is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes intoxicating drink” (Proverbs 31:4-5).
-- Strong drink has a side-effect: weakness in judgment.
“But they also have erred through wine, and through intoxicating drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through intoxicating drink, they are swallowed up by wine, they are out of the way through intoxicating drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment” (Isaiah 28:7).
-- Strong drink may dull the senses so that embarrassment comes -- even indecent exposure.
“Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbor, pressing him to your bottle, even to make him drunk, that you may look on his nakedness! You are filled with shame instead of glory, you also drink! And be exposed as uncircumcised! The cup of the Lord’s right hand will be turned against you, and utter shame will be on your glory” (Habakkuk 2:15-16).
-- Another result of strong drink is overindulgence.
“Woe to those who rise early in the morning, that they may follow intoxicating drink; who continue until night, till wine inflames them!” (Isaiah 5:11).
Some Texts to be Explained by Abstainers
In Jesus’ miracle at Cana of Galilee (John 2:1-11), one can neither affirm with certainty that Jesus turned the water into a non-intoxicating wine nor that He drank no wine Himself. But the following evidences cannot be easily bypassed:
-- The text nowhere indicates that Jesus participated. Either way the argument is from silence.
-- The governor of the feast obviously was able to identify “good wine” by tasting it, indicating that there was no intoxication on his part. On the other hand, by the governor’s own testimony, by the last stages of such a feast participants generally had their senses sufficiently dulled so that they could not differentiate between good and bad wine. Was this feast different? Is this why Jesus agreed to attend?
-- From a standpoint of logic, the "oinos" that Jesus produced was more likely pure, rather than fermented, grape juice, since that which comes from the Creator’s hand is inevitably pure. Also, there was no time for fermentation to take place subsequent to the miracle. Furthermore, the ancients always acknowledged that the best "oinos" was the unfermented "oinos," i.e., that which came from the initial mixing of the grapes.
-- The accusation that Jesus, in contrast to John, was a socialite, a glutton, and a winebibber is manifestly void of foundation (Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:34). Because Jesus enjoyed social contacts and openly mingled with the people, some assumed that He had a propensity for food and drink. If Jesus had been a winebibber, He must have also been guilty of gluttony, which is clearly identified as a sin. In fact, Jesus was neither, and again there is no evidence that He drank "oinos" or anything other than the fresh, natural fruit of the vine.
-- Paul advised Timothy to imbibe a little wine for his stomach’s sake (1 Timothy 5:23). But note the following:
(1) The purpose here clearly is medicinal. Timothy was obviously not in full health. In the absence of more advanced medications, this command is certainly understandable. Furthermore, in the case of no superior medication, wine might be justified as medication, but only if taken as “a little wine.”
(2) Furthermore, the clear case of religious abstinence from wine, i.e., total abstinence, is often overlooked. Timothy is drinking only water. Then Paul said, you need the wine for medical purposes. What is to be said of the reason for Timothy’s abstinence to this point?
Some Added Observations
-- In the accounts of the Lord’s Supper in the Gospels and in 1 Corinthians, the word wine (oinos) is mysteriously absent. The disciples took “the cup” and drank the “fruit of the vine.” The absence of the term "oinos" is curious, to say the least.
-- Wine has one, unqualified, good use in Scripture and that is as a metaphor for the wrath of God. This metaphor is utilized in both Old and New Testaments (see Revelation 19:15). The "oinos" of God’s wrath is unmixed or undiluted, fresh from the wine press, unhindered by fermentation of any kind. Hence, purity of judgment is emphasized.
-- The bishop (pastor) is to be free from wine (1 Timothy 3:3). One would presume that this admonition, at least in part, is for an example. If so, here again the ideal would be total abstinence for all who make up the body of Christ, i.e., the church.
-- For the believer to say, “Let me get as close to sin as I can without being guilty,” indicates a strange mentality indeed! The object should rather be to stay as far away as one can from even the appearance of evil, and as close to Christ as possible (1 Thessalonians 5:22).
cont...

[SEC FAN 5011]

Conclusion
The following conclusions may be safely drawn:
(1) Many of the most excruciating and debilitating events of history are associated with wine. The Bible has almost no good word about it and, in fact, usually associates tragedy and sin with the use of wine. For example, after a life of exemplary behavior, Noah became a stumbling block to his own children, necessitating a curse on his grandson, as a result of wine. This first mention of wine in Scripture is bad.
(2) To whatever extent wine was used by Jesus, clearly it was in small quantities and either at meals or for medicinal purposes. Certainly no tragic industry was supported by the selling and buying of wine. This latter point is crucial for the believer. A believer in no way can justify drinking if thereby he is contributing to the sustenance of an industry responsible for two-thirds of the violent deaths, two-fifths of all divorces, one-third of all crime, and untold millions of dollars in damage to private property. Such would violate all laws in the Bible, and especially the Corinthian principles outlined below:
a) The effect of your choices and actions on others.
“Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble” (1 Corinthians 8:13).
(b) The effect of your choices and actions on you.
“All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful: all things are lawful for me, but not all things edify” (1 Corinthians 10:23).
(c) The effect of your choices and actions on the kingdom of God.
“Therefore, whether you eat, or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God”
(1 Corinthians 10:31).
Let us return to the three categories -- the prohibited, the acceptable and God’s ideal. God originally intended monogamy. For a while He tolerated polygamy, even working mightily through such men as Solomon and Abraham despite their polygamous marriages. But with the final revelation of God in Christ, polygamy was once again clearly prohibited. The noticeable absence of any mention of wine prior to Noah might indicates that men, in their pristine state, were not drawn to wine. In any case, the fuller revelation in Christ, plus the development of superior medications and purer drinking substances, render the whole subject passé for the believer.
Even if a Christian wished to demur from the idea that to take a drink is sin, strict biblical evidence establishes that imbibing strong drink is not God’s ideal for the believer. The question then becomes: Can it be anything less than sin for a believer who is genuinely grateful for the atoning power of Christ in his life to pursue anything other than the highest -- God’s ideal -- the best that he can be for Christ?

Hope this helps.

[sheluvsbama]

That seems to be the general consensus here. Personal conviction seems to be the determining factor.

Are there any religions out there that absolutley forbid drinking? Islam perhaps?
I don't know for sure. I think Islamic people are probably the most strict of all unless it is the Southern Baptists. I have heard the question posed many times about whether it is a sin to drink at all. I have never felt that way. Do you? I know people who will not even walk into a store where wine or even beer is sold! That is too ridiculous,I think.

[gatorunvrsty]

I don't know for sure. I think Islamic people are probably the most strict of all unless it is the Southern Baptists. I have heard the question posed many times about whether it is a sin to drink at all. I have never felt that way. Do you? I know people who will not even walk into a store where wine or even beer is sold! That is too ridiculous,I think.

Muslims are probably the strictest. Alcohol is supposed to be forbidden. That's why the military had to ship beer in for the guys in the Middle East that are old enough to drink. It's virtually impossible to find in Muslim countries; especially in mass quantities. Most of the Southern Baptists I know spend Sunday morning in church, extolling the benefits of abstaining from alcohol, only to spend Sunday afternoon and evening with the "KING OF BEERS" and the NFL.:happy:

[sheluvsbama]

Muslims are probably the strictest. Alcohol is supposed to be forbidden. That's why the military had to ship beer in for the guys in the Middle East that are old enough to drink. It's virtually impossible to find in Muslim countries; especially in mass quantities. Most of the Southern Baptists I know spend Sunday morning in church, extolling the benefits of abstaining from alcohol, only to spend Sunday afternoon and evening with the "KING OF BEERS" and the NFL.:happy:

Yes,yes,yes! I know this type very well. They feel they can do whatever as long as they repent on Sunday. I didn't know about the military thing, but it is easy to believe. They will come home using whatever happens to be available to get off on that they may not have even dreamed of using before. I have seen that as well.

[uscrebel]

I am a Buddhist and I think it is ok to drink,but not to drink with the purpose of getting drunk. Ofcourse many of us have done this anyway. It is a question that you must decide for yourself. Do you feel guilty if you drink at all?

What if you drink with the purpose of getting a Buddhist drunk, but you actually stay sober and don't feel guilty?

[roosterbooster]

What if you drink with the purpose of getting a Buddhist drunk, but you actually stay sober and don't feel guilty?

I don't know about Buddhism, however, in Christianity this would be where the line is crossed. Anything you do that takes your brother toward sin, is sin.

[uscrebel]

I don't know about Buddhism, however, in Christianity this would be where the line is crossed. Anything you do that takes your brother toward sin, is sin.

The answer is obvious here. If you get a Buddhist drunk, you might as well get drunk yourself.

[gatorunvrsty]

The answer is obvious here. If you get a Buddhist drunk, you might as well get drunk yourself.

:laugh: :rofl: :yelrotflm :lolup: :icon_rofl :rolling2: :lol:

[azamugg]

The answer is obvious here. If you get a Buddhist drunk, you might as well get drunk yourself.

@##$%$ $$%%^^^

[sheluvsbama]

I hope all of you rednecks are happy. You have chased me away with all your rock throwing, flippancy and hatefulness. Enjoy your lives.

[azamugg]

I hope all of you rednecks are happy. You have chased me away with all your rock throwing, flippancy and hatefulness. Enjoy your lives.

drunk as usual

[gatorunvrsty]

I hope all of you rednecks are happy. You have chased me away with all your rock throwing, flippancy and hatefulness. Enjoy your lives.

Nobody was addressing you, except AM. The other posts were responses to other people's messages.

[azamugg]

Nobody was addressing you, except AM. The other posts were responses to other people's messages.

I was calling Uscreb a crazy bitch, if thats what she thought I was calling her..............why, cuz he is :)

[gatorunvrsty]

I was calling Uscreb a crazy bitch, if thats what she thought I was calling her..............why, cuz he is :)

:laugh: I thought it was toward her. So, nobody was addressing her? OK. She just saw the "bitch" part, and reacted, I guess.

[uscrebel]

I was calling Uscreb a crazy bitch, if thats what she thought I was calling her..............why, cuz he is :)

I'm not crazy....