What were you thinking??

[shk999]

The '04 season keeps coming up so lets put it to bed. Come on guys, you dont REALLY think you deserved that NC. USC would have beat you like a drum! They would have beat the brakes off of AU. The Trojans 3rd string would have probally been a more realistic matchup for AU. Now that we all agree that the '04 tigers really werent that good, lets let it go and move on. IMO :laugh:

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[cocky4ever]

The '04 season keeps coming up so lets put it to bed. Come on guys, you dont REALLY think you deserved that NC. USC would have beat you like a drum! They would have beat the brakes off of AU. The Trojans 3rd string would have probally been a more realistic matchup for AU. Now that we all agree that the '04 tigers really werent that good, lets let it go and move on. IMO :laugh:

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That sounds about exactly like what people were saying about the Ohio St./Florida matchup before this years game. :glare: Theres a reason the SEC is undefeated in BCS Championship games.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

That sounds about exactly like what people were saying about the Ohio St./Florida matchup before this years game. :glare: Theres a reason the SEC is undefeated in BCS Championship games.
You beat me to it Cocky. That's exactly what I was thinking. Same song, different year. We can speculate all we want about what would have happened if USCw played Auburn in 2004 for the NC, but we'll never know. If the powers-to-be had matched up Michigan and Ohio State in the NC Game this year (and left out Florida), then most everyone (outside of the SEC) would be saying that the winner of that game would have "beat Florida like a drum." I'm just glad Florida got there and had a chance to show what they could do. I was also hoping Auburn would get that same opportunity in 2004.

[gatorunvrsty]

You beat me to it Cocky. That's exactly what I was thinking. Same song, different year. We can speculate all we want about what would have happened if USCw played Auburn in 2004 for the NC, but we'll never know. If the powers-to-be had matched up Michigan and Ohio State in the NC Game this year (and left out Florida), then most everyone (outside of the SEC) would be saying that the winner of that game would have "beat Florida like a drum." I'm just glad Florida got there and had a chance to show what they could do. I was also hoping Auburn would get there in 2004.

That's the way I see it, too. We'll never know about USC and Auburn. Personally, I don't think Auburn would've matched up well with USC, who always has plenty of speed. But, I think a couple of the fast SEC teams could've beat OSU. LSU, for sure. Hell, everybody outside the SEC (and many inside it, but didn't want to say it out loud) was saying OSU would beat UF like a drum before the game. That really would have been criminal to let UM play OSU again. As far as matchups go... I think the speedy SEC and PAC-10 teams will always dominate the big, slow teams from up north until they get with the program and start recruiting a fast D like most of us do.

[gatorhater]

Most of the media darlings are overrated (i.e. Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, etc.), but I think USC is actually good...The Trojans could compete in the SEC. Good coach, premiere talent, tradition....I hate hearing about them as much as anybody, but I don't think they're overrated.

That being said, I believe that an '04 Auburn-USC game would have been a tossup.

[WallyGoat]

Most of the media darlings are overrated (i.e. Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, etc.), but I think USC is actually good...The Trojans could compete in the SEC. Good coach, premiere talent, tradition....I hate hearing about them as much as anybody, but I don't think they're overrated.

That being said, I believe that an '04 Auburn-USC game would have been a tossup.

Well, as much as I dislike USC (thanks in large part to one Matt Lienart), they would have beaten Auburn, I have no doubt. 2004 wasn't about who would be National Champions between OU and AU, it was about who would get the opportunity to lose to USC.

2003, USC lost one game to Cal. The were AP champs. 2005, they were good, but not as good as Texas. But 2004, you would be hard pressed to find another team AS good as So. Cal.

Sorry AU fans, but USC's offense would have had the edge.

[GamecockDieHard]

I was happy that Florida got a chance and was pulling for them to prove something for the SEC. IMO, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about USCw, an undefeated SEC team has earned the right to play for it all. No one will ever convince me that Florida in '06 was any better than Auburn in '04. I believe Auburn would have done just like Florida and stepped up big time to play their best game of the year against USCw. It may have been a toss-up, but they would've competed. OSU this year wasn't nearly as talented IMO as Auburn in 04.

[gatorunvrsty]

I was happy that Florida got a chance and was pulling for them to prove something for the SEC. IMO, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about USCw, an undefeated SEC team has earned the right to play for it all. No one will ever convince me that Florida in '06 was any better than Auburn in '04. I believe Auburn would have done just like Florida and stepped up big time to play their best game of the year against USCw. It may have been a toss-up, but they would've competed. OSU this year wasn't nearly as talented IMO as Auburn in 04.

Nobody's saying UF in '06 is better than AU in '04. They're saying USC in '04 was better than anybody in '04 and much better than OSU in '06.

[Bburton86]

Wow, this thread sucks.

[lacene]

I was happy that Florida got a chance and was pulling for them to prove something for the SEC. IMO, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about USCw, an undefeated SEC team has earned the right to play for it all. No one will ever convince me that Florida in '06 was any better than Auburn in '04. I believe Auburn would have done just like Florida and stepped up big time to play their best game of the year against USCw. It may have been a toss-up, but they would've competed. OSU this year wasn't nearly as talented IMO as Auburn in 04.

That's exactly my opinion about SoCal/Auburn '04, as well.....would've been a close game, but Audurn would've had just as much a chance to win as the Trojans had. Auburn was denied a great chance.....

[GatorNation]

I really think, in the long run, Florida's throttling of THE Nuts will help the conference if another SEC school is on the cusp of playing for the title or a better bowl game in the future. For some reason, Auburn didn't get the nod in 2004, but SEC teams will get the benefit of the doubt now that all the media heads had to eat piles of crow after the 8th...

[WallyGoat]

I really think, in the long run, Florida's throttling of THE Nuts will help the conference if another SEC school is on the cusp of playing for the title or a better bowl game in the future. For some reason, Auburn didn't get the nod in 2004, but SEC teams will get the benefit of the doubt now that all the media heads had to eat piles of crow after the 8th...

Throttling of the nuts..... :laugh: jk Sorry. That's good stuff GN. Some assembly required.

My point about USCw in 2004 is that I didn't think any team in the Nation was better. They probably could have beat the Oakland Raiders (mainly because Alabama State could beat the Raiders). But I still don't believe that AU would have beaten USCw. Maybe close, but USCw had too much offensive fire power.

[gatorunvrsty]

Throttling of the nuts..... :laugh: jk Sorry. That's good stuff GN. Some assembly required.

My point about USCw in 2004 is that I didn't think any team in the Nation was better. They probably could have beat the Oakland Raiders (mainly because Alabama State could beat the Raiders). But I still don't believe that AU would have beaten USCw. Maybe close, but USCw had too much offensive fire power.

That's what I'm saying, too. Auburn that year may very well have been as good as UF this year. But, they would have been playing USC, not Ohio State. And those two teams couldn't be more different.

[KillerNut]

2004 Southern Cal team would beat the hell out of anyone that year. NO way 04 Auburn would of had a chance

04 USC 42 04 Auburn 10

[KillerNut]

That's what I'm saying, too. Auburn that year may very well have been as good as UF this year. But, they would have been playing USC, not Ohio State. And those two teams couldn't be more different.

2006 tOSU is very capable of winning a game vs. 2006 Florida. It just didn't happen on Jan 8th. tOSU is a good team but UF was the better team no doubt about it.

[WallyGoat]

2004 Southern Cal team would beat the hell out of anyone that year. NO way 04 Auburn would of had a chance

04 USC 42 04 Auburn 10

Their offense reminded my of the 95 Cornhuskers. Pick any team from 1995 and try to tell me they would have beat Tom Osborne's 95 Huskers. In 1994, Penn State might have beaten the 94 Cornhuskers (might have), but I doubt anyone would or could have beat the 95 Huskers.

The same with 04 USCw. Almost unbeatable.

[bamaboy]

Bama...1992. As for the rest.... zzzzzzzz.

[KillerNut]

Bama...1992. As for the rest.... zzzzzzzz.

1968 tOSU, beat the unbeatable USCw team with OJ Simpson for the NC.

[gatorunvrsty]

2006 tOSU is very capable of winning a game vs. 2006 Florida. It just didn't happen on Jan 8th. tOSU is a good team but UF was the better team no doubt about it.

I was saying OSU in '06 and USC in '04 couldn't be more different. I was referring to style of play, and how an Auburn matchup with USC in '04 can't be compared to a matchup between UF and OSU in '06.:thumpsup:

[bamaboy]

Bama...1992. As for the rest.... zzzzzzzz.

What I said!

[WallyGoat]

Bama...1992. As for the rest.... zzzzzzzz.

Another good example of an almost unbeatable team. Except for the fact that Alabama's defense was what made them unbeatable, as opposed to 04 USCw and 95 Nebraska's offenses (Tommie Frazier was always great to watch).

[KillerNut]

I was saying OSU in '06 and USC in '04 couldn't be more different. I was referring to style of play, and how an Auburn matchup with USC in '04 can't be compared to a matchup between UF and OSU in '06.:thumpsup:

I didn't disagree with you. Good Statement

[bamaboy]

Another good example of an almost unbeatable team. Except for the fact that Alabama's defense was what made them unbeatable, as opposed to 04 USCw and 95 Nebraska's offenses (Tommie Frazier was always great to watch).

would you please stop bringing logic and common sense into this conversation. before you know it, we will have au blaaaaake and his buds on here.

once again..... Bama 1992! with all due respect to the Gators.

[WallyGoat]

would you please stop bringing logic and common sense into this conversation. before you know it, we will have au blaaaaake and his buds on here.

once again..... Bama 1992! with all due respect to the Gators.

LOL! We've got to get our shots in while we can. Who knows when they are going to unload? :laugh: jk Blake.


Definitely due respect to the Gators. My question is, "Who would win? 1996 UF or 2006 UF?"

[bamaboy]

Against who? Each other? Or Fla. 1996/2006 versus Bama 1992.
Stay tuned..... WallyGoat and bamaboy continue the conversation later. Like I said earlier.... Bama 1992... night, night.

[gatorunvrsty]

LOL! We've got to get our shots in while we can. Who knows when they are going to unload? :laugh: jk Blake.


Definitely due respect to the Gators. My question is, "Who would win? 1996 UF or 2006 UF?"

That's a tough one! The '96 Gators were dominant because few teams were ready for the Fun 'n' Gun. Even when F$U got us in the last game of the season, Spurrier just came back with another genius game plan and hammered them 52-20 in the rematch. That's why I don't respect Bowden. He went on national T.V. and cried about having to face the Gators again. Now we know why he was crying. If given a chance in a rematch, nobody is more brutal than Spurrier. The '06 Gators were successful for similar reasons. Meyer's spread offense wasn't very well known and most people publicly said it wouldn't work in the SEC. Guess what? Looks like it works fine. Anyway, both teams had AWESOME defenses. But, in the end, I think the '96 team would beat the '06 team. The '96 team could score in bunches. Most drives took 2 min. or less. It was incredible to watch. Look at these scores:


Aug 31, 1996 SW LOUISIANA W 55-21 85075

Sep 07, 1996 GEORGIA SOUTHERN W 62-14 84962

*Sep 21, 1996 at Tennessee W 35-29 107608

*Sep 28, 1996 KENTUCKY W 65-0 85422

*Oct 05, 1996 at Arkansas W 42-7 52318

*Oct 12, 1996 LSU W 56-13 85567

*Oct 19, 1996 AUBURN W 51-10 85697

*Nov 03, 1996 vs Georgia W 47-7 84103

*Nov 09, 1996 at Vanderbilt W 28-21 40249

*Nov 16, 1996 SOUTH CAROLINA W 52-25 85701

Nov 30, 1996 at Florida State L 21-24 80932

@*Dec. 7, 1996 vs Alabama (@ Atlanta) W 45-30 74132

:blink:

[WallyGoat]

Against who? Each other? Or Fla. 1996/2006 versus Bama 1992.
Stay tuned..... WallyGoat and bamaboy continue the conversation later. Like I said earlier.... Bama 1992... night, night.

Goofus. :laugh: UF vs. UF/96 vs 06 (not 1906 either).

But 1992 Bama vs. 1996 UF would be a good one. I'd give the edge to Bama because of the defense. Remember how explosive Miami's offense was in 1992? Well, we held them to 13, and our offense put up 34.

1992 Bama - 30
1996 Florida - 18

[WallyGoat]

That's a tough one! The '96 Gators were dominant because few teams were ready for the Fun 'n' Gun. Even when F$U got us in the last game of the season, Spurrier just came back with another genius game plan and hammered them 52-20 in the rematch. That's why I don't respect Bowden. He went on national T.V. and cried about having to face the Gators again. Now we know why he was crying. If given a chance in a rematch, nobody is more brutal than Spurrier. The '06 Gators were successful for similar reasons. Meyer's spread offense wasn't very well known and most people publicly said it wouldn't work in the SEC. Guess what? Looks like it works fine. Anyway, both teams had AWESOME defenses. But, in the end, I think the '96 team would beat the '06 team. The '96 team could score in bunches. Most drives took 2 min. or less. It was incredible to watch. Look at these scores:


Aug 31, 1996 SW LOUISIANA W 55-21 85075

Sep 07, 1996 GEORGIA SOUTHERN W 62-14 84962

*Sep 21, 1996 at Tennessee W 35-29 107608

*Sep 28, 1996 KENTUCKY W 65-0 85422

*Oct 05, 1996 at Arkansas W 42-7 52318

*Oct 12, 1996 LSU W 56-13 85567

*Oct 19, 1996 AUBURN W 51-10 85697

*Nov 03, 1996 vs Georgia W 47-7 84103

*Nov 09, 1996 at Vanderbilt W 28-21 40249

*Nov 16, 1996 SOUTH CAROLINA W 52-25 85701

Nov 30, 1996 at Florida State L 21-24 80932

@*Dec. 7, 1996 vs Alabama (@ Atlanta) W 45-30 74132

:blink:


Good breakdown. :thumpsup:

Well, I just posted that I believe the 1992 Bama team could probably beat the 1996 UF team with their defense. 30-18.

I still believe it too. :happy:

[CockNBlythewood]

Id say 96 UF in a low scorer. 24-21 (Its low scoring in my opinion anyways).

[WallyGoat]

Id say 96 UF in a low scorer. 24-21 (Its low scoring in my opinion anyways).

Vs. 2006 UF or vs. 1992 Alabama? Sorry, we've got about four different conversations going on in this thread. Due in part to me.... :laugh:

[CockNBlythewood]

Vs. 2006 UF or vs. 1992 Alabama? Sorry, we've got about four different conversations going on in this thread. Due in part to me.... :laugh:

Against 92 Bama. But dont take me too serious, i was young during both those teams. :mellow:

[WallyGoat]

Against 92 Bama. But dont take me too serious, i was young during both those teams. :mellow:

I was 7 years old during the 1992 season. Though I remember that season like it was last season (except we went undefeated and beat Miami for a NC, not 6-7 with a loss to MSU).

Back to AU for a minute. The Tigers in 2004, IMHO were the second best team out there, behind USCw, ahead of OU. I don't discredit their run and undefeated season, but if USCw and AU went head to head in 2004, I believe the Trojans would have won by at least 10 points.

What are your thoughts on the AU Tigers of 2004 CockN'?

[CockNBlythewood]

I was 7 years old during the 1992 season. Though I remember that season like it was last season (except we went undefeated and beat Miami for a NC, not 6-7 with a loss to MSU).

Back to AU for a minute. The Tigers in 2004, IMHO were the second best team out there, behind USCw, ahead of OU. I don't discredit their run and undefeated season, but if USCw and AU went head to head in 2004, I believe the Trojans would have won by at least 10 points.

What are your thoughts on the AU Tigers of 2004 CockN'?

Well I believe if you go undefeated (In a good conferance) you should get to the NC game. But USC was real good that year. Id of taken USC by two tds at least.

[KillerNut]

Most of the media darlings are overrated (i.e. Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, etc.), but I think USC is actually good...The Trojans could compete in the SEC. Good coach, premiere talent, tradition....I hate hearing about them as much as anybody, but I don't think they're overrated.

That being said, I believe that an '04 Auburn-USC game would have been a tossup.

Overrated every year? I agree with Notre Dame in the past 10 years but Notre Dame would have throttled every SEC team in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's,80's, and early 90's. tOSU and scUM could compete in the SEC. They probably wouldn't go undefeated but they would be in the top 5 in the conference.

[gatorhater]

Overrated every year? I agree with Notre Dame in the past 10 years but Notre Dame would have throttled every SEC team in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's,80's, and early 90's. tOSU and scUM could compete in the SEC. They probably wouldn't go undefeated but they would be in the top 5 in the conference.

I'll buy that...

[gatorunvrsty]

Good breakdown. :thumpsup:

Well, I just posted that I believe the 1992 Bama team could probably beat the 1996 UF team with their defense. 30-18.

I still believe it too. :happy:
No way Bama would've held Wuerffel and Spurrier to 18.:whistle: And UF's D was dominant, too, in '96. In fact, Bama only beat UF 28-21 in '92 before Wuerffel. By '96, no contest. UF 35 - UA 24. Similar to the UF/UT game in '96. Wuerffel beat Bama 28-13 ( '93 SECCG ), 24-23 ( '94 SECCG ), and 45-30 ( '96 SECCG ).

[WallyGoat]

Overrated every year? I agree with Notre Dame in the past 10 years but Notre Dame would have throttled every SEC team in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's,80's, and early 90's. tOSU and scUM could compete in the SEC. They probably wouldn't go undefeated but they would be in the top 5 in the conference.

Alabama lost 4 times to ND under Coach Bryant in the 1970's. Ray Perkins and Alabama beat ND in B'ham in 1986. ND returned the favor in South Bend in 1987 when Bill Curry was coaching.

Alabama's Record vs. ND 1-5. But I disagree that ND would have "throttled" any SEC team in the 1970's. Alabama may have lost 4 times to ND, but only by 1,2,3, and 7 points respectively. In the 1980's UGA would have wiped the floor with them. Not exactly throttled.

OSU and UM could compete in the SEC, but not as well as you might think. OSU is now 0-9 against the SEC in bowl games. The Big Ten is an overrated conference with two or three really good teams from year to year. Because of the weak competition.

In the SEC, it's madness. Especially in 2006. Florida loses to Auburn, Auburn loses to Georgia, Georgia loses to Florida. Or Arkansas beats Auburn, Auburn beats LSU, LSU beats Arkansas.

It's vicious cycle. Alabama beat Vandy, Vandy beat UGA, but UGA would have murdered Alabama in 2006. There is no way OSU and UM could compete consistently in the SEC year in and year out.

You've got to be a fan to understand the madness that is the SEC. You can look at records and compare, but records don't mean jack when the Commodores beat the Bulldogs who go on to beat the Tigers who beat the 2006 National Champs.

[WallyGoat]

No way Bama would've held Wuerffel and Spurrier to 18.:whistle: And UF's D was dominant, too, in '96. In fact, Bama only beat UF 28-21 in '92 while Wuerffel was a freshman. By '96, no contest. UF 35 - UA 24. Similar to the UT game in '96.

Come on gu. It's just a prediction. :laugh: 92 Miami had an offense that was extremely explosive, not unlike 96 UF. Bama held them to 13 and embarrassed them. But you're pushing it too if you think that 96 UF would have scored more than 21 points on 92 Alabama's defense.

Okay, after much consideration, and based on how well the UF offense did in 1996, I'll change the score.

92 Alabama - 30
96 Florida -21

[KillerNut]

Alabama lost 4 times to ND under Coach Bryant in the 1970's. Ray Perkins and Alabama beat ND in B'ham in 1986. ND returned the favor in South Bend in 1987 when Bill Curry was coaching.

Alabama's Record vs. ND 1-5. But I disagree that ND would have "throttled" any SEC team in the 1970's. Alabama may have lost 4 times to ND, but only by 1,2,3, and 7 points respectively. In the 1980's UGA would have wiped the floor with them. Not exactly throttled.

OSU and UM could compete in the SEC, but not as well as you might think. OSU is now 0-9 against the SEC in bowl games. The Big Ten is an overrated conference with two or three really good teams from year to year. Because of the weak competition.

In the SEC, it's madness. Especially in 2006. Florida loses to Auburn, Auburn loses to Georgia, Georgia loses to Florida. Or Arkansas beats Auburn, Auburn beats LSU, LSU beats Arkansas.

It's vicious cycle. Alabama beat Vandy, Vandy beat UGA, but UGA would have murdered Alabama in 2006. There is no way OSU and UM could compete consistently in the SEC year in and year out.

You've got to be a fan to understand the madness that is the SEC. You can look at records and compare, but records don't mean jack when the Commodores beat the Bulldogs who go on to beat the Tigers who beat the 2006 National Champs.

Okay Vandy beat UGA, UGA beat Auburn whom beat Florida. Florida had trouble beating Vandy. Michigan throttled Vandy and tOSU beat Michigan, and tOSU lost to Florida.

Thats a vicious cycle. Are you confused yet? :confused: tOSU and Michigan could complete in the SEC.

FYI, if you want to make this whom beat whom thing easier, here is a cool website that is a victory chain linker. Check it out.

College Football Victory Chain Linker v1.0 (http://www.cfbanalyzer.com/)

[WallyGoat]

Okay Vandy beat UGA, UGA beat Auburn whom beat Florida. Florida had trouble beating Vandy. Michigan throttled Vandy and tOSU beat Michigan, and tOSU lost to Florida.

Thats a vicious cycle. Are you confused yet? :confused: tOSU and Michigan could complete in the SEC.

FYI, if you want to make this whom beat whom thing easier, here is a cool website that is a victory chain linker. Check it out.

College Football Victory Chain Linker v1.0 (http://www.cfbanalyzer.com/)

No, actually that wasn't confusing at all. I said "OSU and UM could compete in the SEC, but not as well as you might think."

It wouldn't be like the easy beatdowns of IU, Purdue and NW. That's just me, but OSU winning the Big Ten every year or every other year is a lot easier than any team in the SEC winning their respective divisions. It's harder for Alabama or LSU to win the SEC West than it is for OSU to win the Big Ten.

BTW, thanks for the link.

[shk999]

Where are the barners? Nobody wants to argue in the trash talk forum?? This thread was just a joke to stir it up in the trash talk forum but its no fun without the barners. :crazy: