Bama & LSU & Saban: Great Read

[GeauxTo]

Tradition Never Graduates

Coaches come and go, but tradition never graduates. For LSU Football over the last few years, this adage rings true. For Alabama, it does not. The reason for this lies with core leadership, operational standards and personnel. LSU in recent years has been fortunate to have good leadership within its athletic department, a renewed vigor for winning, and some of the country’s best collegiate athletes. Alabama has not. LSU’s tradition is alive and well. Alabama’s is in a dormant, catatonic-like state.

The current difference between LSU and Alabama is that Alabama fans and administrators believe that its tradition of winning is still alive and is on the verge of rekindling. However, nothing could be further than the truth. Alabama has great tradition but it will need major resuscitating.

Benedict Nick Does the Unthinkable and Joins Rank Among the Enemy

Bear Bryant took over Alabama, his alma mater, at a time when they sorely needed his winning services. Nick Saban assumes the reins at a similar juncture, yet has zero ties to Alabama, other than his zero laden contract, of course. Moreover, Nick Saban doesn’t share the same visceral connection to the Capstone that his legendary predecessor did. Bryant lived and died for Alabama football. Nick Saban will not. Check that—he never will. He won’t even capitulate to fan wishes to yell “Roll Tide!” This is just his latest, high-paying mercenary gig, and he could easily wind up back in the NFL, or on another college campus, if things again go sour like they did at Miami. The Bama nation is blinded by desperateness and cannot see that Saban and his eel-slick agent are taking advantage of them at this unfortunate time.

Alabama is no LSU

As strange is it may sound to old-timers, the Alabama job is no longer comparable to the LSU head coaching position. In actuality, it’s not even close. Saban is going to have to rebuild the Bama program much in the same way he did the LSU program—from the ground up. Bama needs talent upgrades across the board and more importantly, they need a winning mindset. Each of these will be difficult to attain. However, of the two, the former will be the most difficult.

Nick Saban enjoyed the most fertile recruiting ground in the nation in the State of Louisiana. The Bayou State annually produces more blue chip and eventual NFL talent per capita than any other state. The State of Alabama isn’t even in the top ten. Moreover, Alabama has another powerful, tradition-rich, SEC rival to fight against for recruits. Also, Steve Spurrier and Urban Meyer are now in the league—and did I mention he must battle the older, more powerful Tiger he once tamed? Nick Saban has another mountain to climb. This time he ascends without a rope, and with less strength than he once had. His prospect for success similar to that which LSU currently enjoys is slim to none. Saban is in for a rude awakening, in many ways.

Nick Saban often deplored the rabid nature of LSU football fans. He despised the Baton Rouge media for fanning these flames of misery and dread, and he did the same at Miami. However, in Alabama the media, and the Alabama fan base, is much less forgiving and tolerant of losses, of which Nick had many at LSU, against much lesser teams. If Nick loses to UAB like he did at LSU (for homecoming no less), do you think the state media will bite their collective tongues? Of course they won’t. They’ll be on him like starved piranha. Furthermore, unlike Louisiana, Alabama has a statewide radio network ruled by its most dubiously revered talk show host—Paul Finebaum, whose caustic introduction to his four-hour daily program claims to “fire most coaches.” Nick Saban might not want to unpack completely. It could be a short stay in Tuscaloosa.

Saban Obviously Regrets Leaving LSU

Aside from being loquaciously pompous in his inaugural press conference, at times even audaciously taking credit for the Sugar Bowl victory over Notre Dame, Nick Saban often mentioned Louisiana State University. I gathered, in addition to the fact that he is a certifiable egomaniac and extreme hypocrite, that he regrets ever leaving LSU. He feels this way because he knows that the Tiger cub he helped raised is now mature, and likely no longer has any fond memory of his fatherly scent. In fact, he’s aware that this Tiger will take great pleasure in eviscerating his tender flesh, that it craves the crimson now running through his veins. Nick Saban will soon meet the monster he created, and he knows it will not be pretty. It is likely his biggest fear; one he greatly dreads.

Saban is a hypocrite because during his Wednesday press conference he talked endlessly about honor and integrity and trust and how important these virtues are for young men and a football team. This is the basis for Saban’s eventual failure, and it is the main reason why he has been the virtual whipping boy for the national media during this entire ridiculously embarrassing scenario. Don Shula had his turn. It was dead on.

How will Saban successfully recruit top players? Will he promise them early playing time? Will he besmirch his competing coaches? How will recruits believe what he says? How will his players react to his unbending discipline and practice rigor? Will they run through a wall for the liar and poser, the sanctimonious Nick Saban? He could, after all, leave them at any moment for a more lucrative gig. Saban indeed has a tough row to hoe, and it will start with recruiting. His credibility is shot. Saban can only hope that the few Alabama boys that grew up dreaming of playing for the Crimson Tide, and their parents, don’t mind playing under a classless egomaniac that is also a terrible hypocrite and a bold-faced liar.
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[BamaDude06]

"Alabama’s is in a dormant, catatonic-like state"

I quit reading there.

[WallyGoat]

Geaux, that was easily the most one sided, self-serving, homerish article I've ever read.

"The current difference between LSU and Alabama is that Alabama fans and administrators believe that its tradition of winning is still alive and is on the verge of rekindling. However, nothing could be further than the truth."

His truth, or the real truth? Sounds like a bitter and pissed off LSU fan to me. Nothing more, nothing less. Possibly scared.

"LSU’s tradition is alive and well. Alabama’s is in a dormant, catatonic-like state."

We'll see....Tradition is tradition. Yale has tradition. Independence Day is a traditon, though we haven't had to fight a single war on US soil since the Revolutionary War. The program may not be as top notch as it used to be, but the Traditions will always be alive and well. Tradition is a celebration of History's Past Glories. LSU doesn't have the same type of Tradition as Alabama. Lengthy and storied. It's more modern at LSU and only dates back to 2003.

[GeauxTo]

I didn't say I necessarily endorsed what was said; I'm simply saying it is a well-written, provocative piece that stirs your thinking. Bammers, of course, will take exception to slaps at the Bama Nation, while others, particulary Barners, will laud this opinionated proffering. Interesting!

[WallyGoat]

I didn't say I necessarily endorsed what was said; I'm simply saying it is a well-written, provocative piece that stirs your thinking.

And I wasn't saying you agreed with it. I was just saying the writer has some issues he needs to get over.

[CrimsonTide12xs]

Another zit on the face of journalism. The article is as worthless as the pole smoker that wrote it.

[AU Blaaaaaaaake]

I never read articles that have a negative view on a sports team I'm a fan of. If its something negative, there is no possible way any of it could be true or have any legit claims because it goes against my belief that my team and everything/one associated with it can do no wrong.

[GeauxTo]

This is the paragraph that may create lumps in the throats of the Alabama faithful:

Bear Bryant took over Alabama, his alma mater, at a time when they sorely needed his winning services. Nick Saban assumes the reins at a similar juncture, yet has zero ties to Alabama, other than his zero laden contract, of course. Moreover, Nick Saban doesn’t share the same visceral connection to the Capstone that his legendary predecessor did. Bryant lived and died for Alabama football. Nick Saban will not. Check that—he never will. He won’t even capitulate to fan wishes to yell “Roll Tide!” This is just his latest, high-paying mercenary gig, and he could easily wind up back in the NFL, or on another college campus, if things again go sour like they did at Miami.

Another thought, Terry Saban, Nick's wife is a staunch Catholic. Their five-year stay in Baton Rouge was glorious for her because Baton Rouge is the epi-center for Catholicism in Louisiana, the most Catholic state in the U. S. I don't believe the Catholic fellowship in Tuscaloosa is that hot.

[GeauxTo]

I never read articles that have a negative view on a sports team I'm a fan of. If its something negative, there is no possible way any of it could be true or have any legit claims because it goes against my belief that my team and everything/one associated with it can do no wrong.
Well said, AU Blaaaaaaaake. You are one clever Barner!
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[CrimsonTide12xs]

Well said, AU Blaaaaaaaake. You are one clever Barner!
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[BamaDude06]

Bear Bryant is the only alumni coach that got the job done. Ears, Perkins, DuBose, and Shula couldn't.

[WarEagle73]

Looking at this article from the outside of the Saban circle I can see where Bama fans will think it's garbage. I do think it is slanted somewhat. However, it is not without some truth and merit. Bama has been down a good deal of the last several years but it's still Alabama. I think he will turn the program around and have some success. How much sussess, I cannot say. I do think it's strange he still won't say "Roll Tide" though. Maybe he's just not th "rah-rah" type. It's not entirely fair to compare his stay @ LSU to his current position at Bama. The landscape of the league has changed a good deal since his days in Baton Rouge. Also his situation at Bama is much different from how it was at LSU. I think everone sould take a deep breath and let's see where things are at in a year or so before any judgements are passed..

[timNem]

Outsiders and even most Bama fans tend to forget that Bear Bryant didn't start the tradition at Alabama nor was he the ONLY great coach we had. Before Bear, we had two great coaches who didn't have ties to the University. Frank Thomas actually played for Notre Dame and was a disciple of Knute Rockne. And BTW Geaux, I can count three Catholic Churches in Tuscaloosa just off the top of my head. You are right there are not as many Catholic churches in this state compared to some others and most towns will not have any but for one town to have at least three is mind-boggling in this state. And I'm sure if Terry Saban wants them to have more Catholic churches, they will build her more. :laugh:

Wallace William Wade (June 15 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_15), 1892 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1892)–October 7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7), 1986 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986)) was an American college football coach. He was born in Trenton, Tennessee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenton%2C_Tennessee)



Playing Career

Wade played football at Brown University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_University). One of his teammates at Brown was Fritz Pollard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Pollard), who went on to become the first African-American coach in the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League).



Coaching Career

After working as an assistant coach at Vanderbilt University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_University), Wade was hired as the head coach at the football-mad University of Alabama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Alabama) in 1923. Over the next seven years, Wade's team won three national championships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I-A_national_football_champions), after winning the Rose Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Bowl_Game) in 1925, 1926, and 1930. Following his third national championship, Wade shocked the college football world by transferring to Duke University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_University), which had less of a football tradition than Alabama. Though Wade refused to answer questions regarding his decision to leave Alabama for Duke until late in his life he eventually told a sports historian he believed his philosophy regarding sports and athletics fit perfectly with the philosophy of the Duke administration and that he felt being at a private institution would allow him greater freedom from interference. Wade continued to succeed at Duke, most notably in 1938, when his "Iron Dukes" went unscored upon until reaching the national championship game, where they lost 7-3 to the University of Southern California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Southern_California) in Duke's first Rose Bowl appearance. Wade's Blue Devils lost another Rose Bowl to Oregon State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_State_University) in 1942, this one held at Duke's home stadium in Durham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham%2C_North_Carolina), North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina). The change in scenery was a result of the Pearl Harbor attacks, which made the event organizers skittish of hosting a game in California. Wade entered military service after the Rose Bowl loss, and the legendary Eddie Cameron (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Cameron) filled in for him as head football coach from 1942 to 1945. Wade returned to coach the Blue Devils in 1946, and continued until his retirement in 1950. In 1967, Duke's football stadium was renamed Wallace Wade Stadium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Wade_Stadium) in his honor. Wade is a member of the College Football Hall of Fame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Hall_of_Fame). He died in Durham, North Carolina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durham%2C_North_Carolina) at the age of 94.


Frank W. Thomas (November 15 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_15), 1898 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1898)–May 10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_10), 1954 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954)) was the head football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football) coach of the University of Alabama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Alabama) from 1932 to 1946. During his tenure, he compiled a 115-24-7 (.812) record and won two national championships (1934 and 1941). His winning percentage ranks first all-time among Alabama coaches. He never coached a losing season, but coached two 10 win seasons. In 1945, his team scored 50 or more points in four straight games at the end of the regular season.

Thomas, who was born in Muncie, Indiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muncie%2C_Indiana), played quarterback for Knute Rockne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knute_Rockne) at Notre Dame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Notre_Dame) from 1920 to 1922. He was, according to Rockne, the smartest player he ever coached. His roommate and best friend at Notre Dame was the famous George "The Gipper" Gipp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gipp).

After graduating, Thomas became an assistant coach at the University of Georgia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Georgia) for two years before earning his first head coaching job in 1925 at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Tennessee_at_Chattanooga), where he went 26-9-2. In 1931 he accepted the job at Alabama, where he established himself as one of the top coaches in the nation. His bowl record at Alabama was 501, with wins at the Rose Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Bowl_Game) (1931, 1935,1946) The 1944 Alabama team were called the "War Babies", Alabama had stopped playing football because of the war. But in '43 President Denny of the University decided for morale purposes to restart Alabama football Cotton Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_Bowl) (1942), and Orange Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Bowl) (1943). He became the coach and mentor for future Hall of Fame coach Paul "Bear" Bryant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_Bryant). Other notable players included Don Hutson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Hutson), Vaughn Mancha (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vaughn_Mancha&action=edit), Harry Gilmer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Gilmer), Johnny Cain (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Johnny_Cain&action=edit), and Riley Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_Smith).

Declining health forced his resignation from coaching in 1946 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_in_sports), but he remained Alabama's Athletic Director. He was inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Hall_of_Fame) in 1951.

Thomas died in 1954 at the age of 55 at Druid City Hospital (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Druid_City_Hospital&action=edit) in Tuscaloosa, Alabama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuscaloosa%2C_Alabama). An illustrated book published later that year told his story. The football practice fields at the University of Alabama are named for Thomas and his successor Harold D. Drew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_D._Drew).



This is the paragraph that may create lumps in the throats of the Alabama faithful:

Bear Bryant took over Alabama, his alma mater, at a time when they sorely needed his winning services. Nick Saban assumes the reins at a similar juncture, yet has zero ties to Alabama, other than his zero laden contract, of course. Moreover, Nick Saban doesn’t share the same visceral connection to the Capstone that his legendary predecessor did. Bryant lived and died for Alabama football. Nick Saban will not. Check that—he never will. He won’t even capitulate to fan wishes to yell “Roll Tide!” This is just his latest, high-paying mercenary gig, and he could easily wind up back in the NFL, or on another college campus, if things again go sour like they did at Miami.

Another thought, Terry Saban, Nick's wife is a staunch Catholic. Their five-year stay in Baton Rouge was glorious for her because Baton Rouge is the epi-center for Catholicism in Louisiana, the most Catholic state in the U. S. I don't believe the Catholic fellowship in Tuscaloosa is that hot.

[bamaballers2006]

Yes Alabama since 2000 has been just at best a average football program. IMO Lsu was just a average program before Saban came along. Going back since Bear Left we have a one game edge over LSU and for Auburn who is kicking us while we are down only have a 5 more wins then alabama since 1983.

IMO the tradition with SABAN will bring the recruits to bama. In the State of Alabama I think you will see a big change as far as recruiting goes for Bama. Lets just see how 08 goes this will be a sign of things to come there are 2 big possible 5 stars in the state of Bama that will be recruited hard in 08

also does everybody forget that in the 80's Oklahoma got the death penalty by NCAA. I think there doing pretty good since that time. I don't think Bama is no where near what Oklahoma's program went through in the 80's and 90's

I misspoke but what I am talking about is how Oklahoma recovered from there probation years

[jthomas666]

Tradition is tradition. Yale has tradition. Independence Day is a traditon, though we haven't had to fight a single war on US soil since the Revolutionary War. The War of 1812. The Civil War.

Apart from that, your assessment was spot on. I don't know if the writer was full of bitter outrage or was just delusional.

And as for the writer's contention that Saban will never really care about Alabama football the way that Bear Bryant did, I'd like to point out that it's unlikely that Saban's loyalty to LSU was any greater, and yet he won a national championship and built the foundation for LSU's current success.

Reality hurts sometimes, doesn't it?

[WarEagle73]

The War of 1812. The Civil War.

Apart from that, your assessment was spot on. I don't know if the writer was full of bitter outrage or was just delusional.

And as for the writer's contention that Saban will never really care about Alabama football the way that Bear Bryant did, I'd like to point out that it's unlikely that Saban's loyalty to LSU was any greater, and yet he won a national championship and built the foundation for LSU's current success.

Reality hurts sometimes, doesn't it?

good point about the whole loyalty thing. To coaches this is a business and they approach it as such. Saban didn't come to Bama because of "Mama Calling" or anything. He came because they made him an offer that was good enough to get him to come. He knows that to continue to be the Bama coach he must be succesful on the field, so he will do everything he can to ensure this is what will happen. The same is ture for all coaches I'm sure.

[azamugg]

as Ive said before, while the recent success that LSU has experienced is of course an aberration it still something to be proud of.........but this kind of attitude? Please, the article is childish and full of regret, envy, spite, etc..............hell how many times did Saban yell "Go Tigers"! ? Every argument, including the Catholic stretch has to be silly to any reader regardless of who you are a fan of.

[GeauxTo]

Looking at this article from the outside of the Saban circle I can see where Bama fans will think it's garbage. I do think it is slanted somewhat. However, it is not without some truth and merit. Bama has been down a good deal of the last several years but it's still Alabama. I think he will turn the program around and have some success. How much sussess, I cannot say. I do think it's strange he still won't say "Roll Tide" though. Maybe he's just not th "rah-rah" type. It's not entirely fair to compare his stay @ LSU to his current position at Bama. The landscape of the league has changed a good deal since his days in Baton Rouge. Also his situation at Bama is much different from how it was at LSU. I think everone sould take a deep breath and let's see where things are at in a year or so before any judgements are passed..
Very intelligent post. I believe Saban will certainly improve things for Alabama football. He will coach better. He will recruit better. He will plan better. And he will win better. The article was what it is... someone's biased opinion. Did it have some falacies? Probably. Did it have some truths? Probably. Did it make us think about the Alabama situation and the prognosis for the future? Yep.

[shk999]

I never read articles that have a negative view on a sports team I'm a fan of. If its something negative, there is no possible way any of it could be true or have any legit claims because it goes against my belief that my team and everything/one associated with it can do no wrong.

I believe all articles that have a negative view on a Team I despise and secretly envy. If it is something negative, there is no possible way it could be false because my teams success lives and dies on what my rival does. This goes against my ridiculous belief that my rival and everything/one associated with it will fail I am "tigerblind" to the truth because I cant get past my obvious inferiorty complex.................I think this is a little closer to the truth Deacon Blake.

[AU Blaaaaaaaake]

I believe all articles that have a negative view on a Team I despise and secretly envy. If it is something negative, there is no possible way it could be false because my teams success lives and dies on what my rival does. This goes against my ridiculous belief that my rival and everything/one associated with it will fail I am "tigerblind" to the truth because I cant get past my obvious inferiorty complex.................I think this is a little closer to the truth Deacon Blake.


But do you believe in Auburn? And love it?

[GeauxTo]

But do you believe in Auburn? And love it?
Why of course! We all do! :D

[WallyGoat]

This is the paragraph that may create lumps in the throats of the Alabama faithful:

Bear Bryant took over Alabama, his alma mater, at a time when they sorely needed his winning services. Nick Saban assumes the reins at a similar juncture, yet has zero ties to Alabama, other than his zero laden contract, of course. Moreover, Nick Saban doesn’t share the same visceral connection to the Capstone that his legendary predecessor did. Bryant lived and died for Alabama football. Nick Saban will not. Check that—he never will. He won’t even capitulate to fan wishes to yell “Roll Tide!” This is just his latest, high-paying mercenary gig, and he could easily wind up back in the NFL, or on another college campus, if things again go sour like they did at Miami.

Another thought, Terry Saban, Nick's wife is a staunch Catholic. Their five-year stay in Baton Rouge was glorious for her because Baton Rouge is the epi-center for Catholicism in Louisiana, the most Catholic state in the U. S. I don't believe the Catholic fellowship in Tuscaloosa is that hot.

Mike Shula was Catholic. I'm sure he adjusted well in his time at Tuscaloosa.

[WallyGoat]

The War of 1812. The Civil War.

Apart from that, your assessment was spot on. I don't know if the writer was full of bitter outrage or was just delusional.

And as for the writer's contention that Saban will never really care about Alabama football the way that Bear Bryant did, I'd like to point out that it's unlikely that Saban's loyalty to LSU was any greater, and yet he won a national championship and built the foundation for LSU's current success.

Reality hurts sometimes, doesn't it?

Sure does.

1812 and The Civil War did proceed the Revolutionary War. My bad....But Canada doesn't count :laugh: and the Civil War was fought amongst fellow Americans and Brothers.

[WallyGoat]

Very intelligent post. I believe Saban will certainly improve things for Alabama football. He will coach better. He will recruit better. He will plan better. And he will win better. The article was what it is... someone's biased opinion. Did it have some falacies? Probably. Did it have some truths? Probably. Did it make us think about the Alabama situation and the prognosis for the future? Yep.

Nope. This article did not spark my thoughts about the situation and the prognosis for the future. I'm not a paper zealot. I already have my mind made up about what the future holds at Alabama, I've heard all the opinions, "expert analysis", and whatever else is to be said about Alabama/CNS/the Future. This article wasn't any different.

[BamaFreak]

Another thought, Terry Saban, Nick's wife is a staunch Catholic. Their five-year stay in Baton Rouge was glorious for her because Baton Rouge is the epi-center for Catholicism in Louisiana, the most Catholic state in the U. S. I don't believe the Catholic fellowship in Tuscaloosa is that hot.

There is a very strong Catholic Community in N. Alabama. Have you ever heard of EWTN? Did you know that it is based in Irondale, Alabama? Obviously not. Terry will feel right at home, I assure you. The influence of EWTN is felt all over the country, but it has kindled a fire amoung Alabama Catholics.

[GeauxTo]

Mike Shula was Catholic. I'm sure he adjusted well in his time at Tuscaloosa.
This is just informational, and not meant to imply anything except that Terry Saban's staunch Catholicism was right at home in Baton Rouge.

The Tuscaloosa area has 3 Catholic churches.

The Baton Rouge area has 67 Catholic churches, 25 Catholic elementary schools, and 8 Catholic high schools.

http://www.diobr.org/images/dbr-coa_64.gif

[MSUDAWG]

Good read Geaux.

[WallyGoat]

This is just informational, and not meant to imply anything except that Terry Saban's staunch Catholicism was right at home in Baton Rouge.

The Tuscaloosa area has 3 Catholic churches.

The Baton Rouge area has 67 Catholic churches, 25 Catholic elementary schools, and 8 Catholic high schools.

http://www.diobr.org/images/dbr-coa_64.gif

I'm a Protestant, I've never had a problem with Catholics. Ever, unless they were priests molesting children. That's a given. I'm sure that Terry Saban will be accepted into the community just as well as any other Catholic in T-Town.

BTW, Baton Rouge is made up of people with French heritage. The Catholic Church runs through their blood. It's their European roots showing, so to speak. I agree that she probably felt more at home in a Catholic community, but hey, I'm in Gay West...I mean Key West and I'm doing just fine as a straight man. :laugh:

[GeauxTo]

I'm in Gay West...I mean Key West and I'm doing just fine as a straight man. :laugh:
Wally, do you have enough room to put some of us up for a few days so that we can enjoy the beaches of Key West in the winter time? Sounds like a blast!
:thumbs:

[WallyGoat]

Wally, do you have enough room to put some of us up for a few days so that we can enjoy the beaches of Key West in the winter time? Sounds like a blast!
:thumbs:

Sorry Geaux, I moved out of my condo at Key West By the Sea and moved onto Truman Naval Base as a guest with my family for the last few weeks. I should be heading back to Indiana to help out my sister Jan. 20th.

BUT, if I was still living in the condo, I'd love to have you guys over. The beach is just right across the street, and it's usually quiet during the Summer (Winter is the real tourist season), barely any waves to contend with....

Yeah. But if you were to ever visit Key West, coming through Miami, bring about $20-$30 in change for the toll booths. Seriously. :laugh: