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I DVR'd the NC game and was watching it last night, and I noticed something I haven't heard mentioned.

On the play in the first quater when Tebow ran a draw and fumbled the ball after he was down, #55 hits Tebow in the head twice while getting up off of him, then kicks him as he's standing up.

OSU is a bunch of punks. They are cheapshot artists. Last year, against Texas, that TE that dropped the TD pass late in the game, and subsequently received death threats(fans are punks too), was the victum of his own karma. For on the previous play, that same TE cheapshotted a Texas player out of bounds well after the play was over.

From Maurice Clarrett(locked up for various charges) to Troy Brown(taking money from a booster), this media darling program is a fraud.

Just watch them play. The examples I mentioned above are just a couple. They are never penalized, on or off the field, at least not recently. They act like they are in inmates running an asylum up there, and all the while the Sweater Vest puts on his dog and pony show.

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[CrimsonTide12xs]

Yeah, some teams just get away with that kind of crap. As sad as it may be. The refs tend to overlook whatever the Big Thin does.

[Gator2753]

Good find UKat. I didnt notice some of those things but I can believe they happened. I did see a late hit that the refs had no choice to call though. An absolute cheap shot! My copy of the BCSNCG is in the mail now and on the way. I cant wait to examine it more closely.
All the more reason why the 41-14 victory was so sweet.

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I DVR'd the NC game and was watching it last night, and I noticed something I haven't heard mentioned.

On the play in the first quater when Tebow ran a draw and fumbled the ball after he was down, #55 hits Tebow in the head twice while getting up off of him, then kicks him as he's standing up.

OSU is a bunch of punks. They are cheapshot artists. Last year, against Texas, that TE that dropped the TD pass late in the game, and subsequently received death threats(fans are punks too), was the victum of his own karma. For on the previous play, that same TE cheapshotted a Texas player out of bounds well after the play was over.

From Maurice Clarrett(locked up for various charges) to Troy Brown(taking money from a booster), this media darling program is a fraud.

Just watch them play. The examples I mentioned above are just a couple. They are never penalized, on or off the field, at least not recently. They act like they are in inmates running an asylum up there, and all the while the Sweater Vest puts on his dog and pony show.

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Are you kidding me? WTF. Whomever wrote this post has no idea what the hell is going on. Looks like this is a onesided affair. There are probably just as many tOSU fans whom might say the samething about Florida. Emotions run high in a game especially the NC game but this is totally absurd. Just because one player might have done something like that doesn't mean that you have to call the entire team thugs. Whomever wrote this must be a Notre Dame fan because thats what you hear from them all the time when they get their ass beat. We are not Miami nor can anyone in the nation hold a candle in the wind to ThugU when it comes to cheap shots. Tressel's teams and players are classy whenever they play or speak. We even had a incident in our game vs. Iowa when on live national TV when an Iowa defensive lineman punch our center 6 times in the face and the refs did nothing nor did our center retailiate at all. And they showed replays of it. I agree that Maurice Clarett is the biggest waste of talent EVER in college sports. The TightEnd that dropped the pass last year in the Texas game did recieve hate mail and it was probably the easiest pass to catch and would have derailed Texas championship season last year. The hate mail was from fans not only from tOSU but from other schools as well. Some people are just way to over passionate for a game and take things way out of proportion. To the writer or the above quote I must say GET A LIFE. You cannot be the pot calling the kettle black. Didn't Florida have some issues this year also. My point....Nobody is perfect!!!!!!!!!

[WallyGoat]

Yeah, some teams just get away with that kind of crap. As sad as it may be. The refs tend to overlook whatever the Big Thin does.

If you remember the Hawaii game you won't forget that their O-line is dirty, their linebackers and secondary are dirtier (jumping on guys and rolling on them from mid-air, etc.), and their RB was the dirtiest.

The hefty one....I remember he pretended to be in a world of pain while laid out on the field. The medical staff runs over to see what's wrong, goofs around with his legs, jiggling it and such, not stretching it or anything of the like, then he gets back up after 3-4 minutes like he's fine and runs to the huddle.

He was never hurt, he was simply buying some time for his team to get rested. You Gators fans think OSU is bad (I don't doubt that they are a bunch of thugs), Hawaii plays dirtier than Miami and VT combined.

[WallyGoat]

Are you kidding me? WTF. Whomever wrote this post has no idea what the hell is going on. Looks like this is a onesided affair. There are probably just as many tOSU fans whom might say the samething about Florida. Emotions run high in a game especially the NC game but this is totally absurd. Just because one player might have done something like that doesn't mean that you have to call the entire team thugs. Whomever wrote this must be a Notre Dame fan because thats what you hear from them all the time when they get their ass beat. We are not Miami nor can anyone in the nation hold a candle in the wind to ThugU when it comes to cheap shots. Tressel's teams and players are classy whenever they play or speak. We even had a incident in our game vs. Iowa when on live national TV when an Iowa defensive lineman punch our center 6 times in the face and the refs did nothing nor did our center retailiate at all. And they showed replays of it. I agree that Maurice Clarett is the biggest waste of talent EVER in college sports. The TightEnd that dropped the pass last year in the Texas game did recieve hate mail and it was probably the easiest pass to catch and would have derailed Texas championship season last year. The hate mail was from fans not only from tOSU but from other schools as well. Some people are just way to over passionate for a game and take things way out of proportion. To the writer or the above quote I must say GET A LIFE. You cannot be the pot calling the kettle black. Didn't Florida have some issues this year also. My point....Nobody is perfect!!!!!!!!!

Well, I saw a lot of unsportsman like shots on the part of OSU who were getting pissed when they were losing big. The only one's I saw from UF were the one's the officials called them on.

[UKat]

[QUOTE][QUOTE=KillerNut]Are you kidding me? WTF. Whomever wrote this post has no idea what the hell is going on. Looks like this is a onesided affair. There are probably just as many tOSU fans whom might say the samething about Florida. Emotions run high in a game especially the NC game but this is totally absurd. Just because one player might have done something like that doesn't mean that you have to call the entire team thugs. Whomever wrote this must be a Notre Dame fan because thats what you hear from them all the time when they get their ass beat. We are not Miami nor can anyone in the nation hold a candle in the wind to ThugU when it comes to cheap shots. Tressel's teams and players are classy whenever they play or speak. We even had a incident in our game vs. Iowa when on live national TV when an Iowa defensive lineman punch our center 6 times in the face and the refs did nothing nor did our center retailiate at all. And they showed replays of it. I agree that Maurice Clarett is the biggest waste of talent EVER in college sports. The TightEnd that dropped the pass last year in the Texas game did recieve hate mail and it was probably the easiest pass to catch and would have derailed Texas championship season last year. The hate mail was from fans not only from tOSU but from other schools as well. Some people are just way to over passionate for a game and take things way out of proportion. To the writer or the above quote I must say GET A LIFE. You cannot be the pot calling the kettle black. Didn't Florida have some issues this year also. My point....Nobody is perfect!!!!!!!!!

The post was written by another Kentucky fan on a UK fan board......he was strictly stating his opinion. I think it is just the good 'ol' SEC vs. Big11 rivalry.

The bottom line is what needs to happen is for every SEC school to play at least one big11 school each season. Then the war can go full scale!

[UKat]

Good find UKat. I didnt notice some of those things but I can believe they happened. I did see a late hit that the refs had no choice to call though. An absolute cheap shot! My copy of the BCSNCG is in the mail now and on the way. I cant wait to examine it more closely.
All the more reason why the 41-14 victory was so sweet.

Came from a UK fan site.

[UKat]

KillerNut
Looks like this is a onesided affair. There are probably just as many tOSU fans whom might say the samething about Florida.

OSU fans can say it all they want........the fact is, did you actually see any Gators commiting the same penalties?? Did the replay cameras reveal UF doing it?? I dont think so..........the cameras did reveal it with OSU.

[Cianne]

Did the Gators commit similar acts? Probably. It's the way the game is played whether it was caught on camera or not. While it might not be as flagrant as say Marcus Vick stomping on Elvis Dumervil, it happens. To think otherwise, is just plain naive/stupid.

[UKat]

Did the Gators commit similar acts? Probably. It's the way the game is played whether it was caught on camera or not. While it might not be as flagrant as say Marcus Vick stomping on Elvis Dumervil, it happens. To think otherwise, is just plain naive/stupid.I'd agree with you.

[KillerNut]

The bottom line is what needs to happen is for every SEC school to play at least one big11 school each season. Then the war can go full scale!

I totally agree.

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I DVR'd the NC game and was watching it last night, and I noticed something I haven't heard mentioned.

On the play in the first quater when Tebow ran a draw and fumbled the ball after he was down, #55 hits Tebow in the head twice while getting up off of him, then kicks him as he's standing up.

OSU is a bunch of punks. They are cheapshot artists. Last year, against Texas, that TE that dropped the TD pass late in the game, and subsequently received death threats(fans are punks too), was the victum of his own karma. For on the previous play, that same TE cheapshotted a Texas player out of bounds well after the play was over.

From Maurice Clarrett(locked up for various charges) to Troy Brown(taking money from a booster), this media darling program is a fraud.

Just watch them play. The examples I mentioned above are just a couple. They are never penalized, on or off the field, at least not recently. They act like they are in inmates running an asylum up there, and all the while the Sweater Vest puts on his dog and pony show.

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Yea, I thought OSU was a little "thuggish"...I don't necessarily believe this is the way they are "taught" to play, like at f$u...but I watched that play last night...#55 knocks the ball out of Tebow's arm after he was down...then, when the refs attention went to the "pseudo-fumble" #55 punches Tebow in the head 2-3 times...gets up, tries to step on his chest, and whe Tebow grabs his leg, he kicks Tebow. Very classless....also, after the one play, Jermaile Cornelius is standing there, #6...I think that was the LB that couldn't make the grades to get into UF last season...anyway, #6 hits Cornelius in the back...they got a 15 yarder for that...then, they got another PF for late hit, tackled our KR by the facemask or he woulda scored....and don't forget, the reason Earl Everett had to sack Troy Smith "bare-headed" was because the OSU player ripped his helmet off.

I think OSU tried to come in, and bully the Gators...notice all the "smack" #33 was talkin' after each play...funny thing is, it didn't work!!! They got biatch slapped by the Gators!!!! Put them in their place quick like...gotta love that.

[KillerNut]

I think OSU tried to come in, and bully the Gators...notice all the "smack" #33 was talkin' after each play...funny thing is, it didn't work!!! They got biatch slapped by the Gators!!!! Put them in their place quick like...gotta love that.

Little Animal was talking smack? Must have learned it well from his dad in the WWF. LOL :laugh:

BTW that was our kicker that horsecollared you KR guy. What kind of tackle do you think he is going to make. LOL He was lucky to even get a hold of your returner. :happy:

[GatorHunter]

Little Animal was talking smack? Must have learned it well from his dad in the WWF. LOL :laugh:

BTW that was our kicker that horsecollared you KR guy. What kind of tackle do you think he is going to make. LOL He was lucky to even get a hold of your returner. :happy:

Wasn't a "horsecollar"...he had a handfull of facemask...watched it last night on Tivo. Yea...I think you have a point...emotions run high in games, and as I said, I don't believe for a minute that OSU is a thug team...that honor belongs to f$u...scUM was once a thug school...but the constant beatdowns they've received over the past couple of years has humbled them.

[lacene]

there have always been little cheap shots doled out in the middle of pile-ons: knuckle-punches to the neck, knees or elbows to the crotch, or dug into the smalls of the back, the hamstrings or the kidneys when the opposing players are untangling and getting up off of the tackled player. To me that's all good fun and part of the competitiveness of football. It's not clean, by any measure, and I wouldn't recommend it for Pop Warner or Pee-Wee football, but I've seen it for years, to some degree, with SEC competition.

Now, blatant late hits, tackles out-of-bounds, or late hits on the QB long after the ball has been passed are more excessive, and hopefully the refs catch those. Those kind of plays can injure players, and adversly impact important games....

[WarEagle73]

Are you kidding me? WTF. Whomever wrote this post has no idea what the hell is going on. Looks like this is a onesided affair. There are probably just as many tOSU fans whom might say the samething about Florida. Emotions run high in a game especially the NC game but this is totally absurd. Just because one player might have done something like that doesn't mean that you have to call the entire team thugs. Whomever wrote this must be a Notre Dame fan because thats what you hear from them all the time when they get their ass beat. We are not Miami nor can anyone in the nation hold a candle in the wind to ThugU when it comes to cheap shots. Tressel's teams and players are classy whenever they play or speak. We even had a incident in our game vs. Iowa when on live national TV when an Iowa defensive lineman punch our center 6 times in the face and the refs did nothing nor did our center retailiate at all. And they showed replays of it. I agree that Maurice Clarett is the biggest waste of talent EVER in college sports. The TightEnd that dropped the pass last year in the Texas game did recieve hate mail and it was probably the easiest pass to catch and would have derailed Texas championship season last year. The hate mail was from fans not only from tOSU but from other schools as well. Some people are just way to over passionate for a game and take things way out of proportion. To the writer or the above quote I must say GET A LIFE. You cannot be the pot calling the kettle black. Didn't Florida have some issues this year also. My point....Nobody is perfect!!!!!!!!!

You need to get the nuts out of your eyes.

[BamaDude06]

If you remember the Hawaii game you won't forget that their O-line is dirty, their linebackers and secondary are dirtier (jumping on guys and rolling on them from mid-air, etc.), and their RB was the dirtiest.

The hefty one....I remember he pretended to be in a world of pain while laid out on the field. The medical staff runs over to see what's wrong, goofs around with his legs, jiggling it and such, not stretching it or anything of the like, then he gets back up after 3-4 minutes like he's fine and runs to the huddle.

He was never hurt, he was simply buying some time for his team to get rested. You Gators fans think OSU is bad (I don't doubt that they are a bunch of thugs), Hawaii plays dirtier than Miami and VT combined.

Hawai'i is by far one of the dirtiest teams I have ever seen. I have seen pictures of thier players flicking off the student while they were doing their little pre-game dance. But that's what happens when you recruit thugs.

[CrimsonTide12xs]

If you remember the Hawaii game you won't forget that their O-line is dirty, their linebackers and secondary are dirtier (jumping on guys and rolling on them from mid-air, etc.), and their RB was the dirtiest.

The hefty one....I remember he pretended to be in a world of pain while laid out on the field. The medical staff runs over to see what's wrong, goofs around with his legs, jiggling it and such, not stretching it or anything of the like, then he gets back up after 3-4 minutes like he's fine and runs to the huddle.

He was never hurt, he was simply buying some time for his team to get rested. You Gators fans think OSU is bad (I don't doubt that they are a bunch of thugs), Hawaii plays dirtier than Miami and VT combined.
Jerry Glanville is one of the coaches(Hawaii) it's to be expected.

[WallyGoat]

Jerry Glanville is one of the coaches(Hawaii) it's to be expected.

I never liked Glanville, I used to like June Jones but he just seems to be running a thug program, nothing more, nothing less.

Especially that cocky peckerwood Colt Brennan. I hope someone knocks his damn head off. :angry:

I know Miami is a thug program, thanks to Erickson, but at least Larry Coker tried to gain some stability while he was there.

[AUFootball24]

I agree with KillerNut. This thread is ridiculous. If you have every played/know anything about football you know those guys in the trenches are hitting, kicking, scratching, and cussing each other. It happens in every game, it has nothing to do with OSU specifically. These are competitive guys and the emotions were running high.

On another not, I noticed nothing wrong with OSU's style of play and saw nothing dirty.

This thread shouldn't even exist.

[WallyGoat]

I agree with KillerNut. This thread is ridiculous. If you have every played/know anything about football you know those guys in the trenches are hitting, kicking, scratching, and cussing each other. It happens in every game, it has nothing to do with OSU specifically. These are competitive guys and the emotions were running high.

On another not, I noticed nothing wrong with OSU's style of play and saw nothing dirty.

This thread shouldn't even exist.

Now that's pushing it. Facemasks, arm bars, helmet to helmet and helmet to leg tackles are considered playing dirty. I'm not even including OSU specifically, just all players. I saw a few penalties that could be considered dirty by UF and OSU, which is why they are called. Because they are dirty (or illegal motions, movements, and plays).

This thread shouldn't exist? Why not? It's a legitimate discussion. I don't understand your reasoning for why folks shouldn't be discussing this....

[Gator2753]

Now that's pushing it. Facemasks, arm bars, helmet to helmet and helmet to leg tackles are considered playing dirty. I'm not even including OSU specifically, just all players. I saw a few penalties that could be considered dirty by UF and OSU, which is why they are called. Because they are dirty (or illegal motions, movements, and plays).

This thread shouldn't exist? Why not? It's a legitimate discussion. I don't understand your reasoning for why folks shouldn't be discussing this....
Well I saw one late hit by OSU that was dirty. Other than that I think both sides are about even as far as unsportsmanlike behavior goes.
I think that OSU's defense was probably getting frustrated when they discovered early on that they couldn't stop Florida. They probably talked alot of smack, trying to get some personal foul calls against UF. It happens.

[AUFootball24]

Now that's pushing it. Facemasks, arm bars, helmet to helmet and helmet to leg tackles are considered playing dirty. I'm not even including OSU specifically, just all players. I saw a few penalties that could be considered dirty by UF and OSU, which is why they are called. Because they are dirty (or illegal motions, movements, and plays).

This thread shouldn't exist? Why not? It's a legitimate discussion. I don't understand your reasoning for why folks shouldn't be discussing this....

Because i don't think it's a legitimate discussion. All teams play like that. If you claim your team has never commited a facemask or a personal foul, then you're a liar. I seriously doubt the fouls were commited because OSU had a mindset of 'we're gonna play dirty'. That's just part of the game, emotions were running high and these kids are competing.

[GatorHunter]

Because i don't think it's a legitimate discussion. All teams play like that. If you claim your team has never commited a facemask or a personal foul, then you're a liar. I seriously doubt the fouls were commited because OSU had a mindset of 'we're gonna play dirty'. That's just part of the game, emotions were running high and these kids are competing.

Normally, AU24, I would tend to agree with you about this. However, have you watched the play this thread is mainly pertaining too? #55 for OSU punches Tebow in the head 3 times...tries to step on him, then kicks him. That is totally uncalled for...and the personal fouls that OSU had were very blatant...true, it happens in nearly every game, but to see the QB getting beatdown in the open like that warrants outrage. There is video of the play...I'll try and find it. As far as the rest of the game, I thought it was played with a great deal of sportsmanship.

[AUFootball24]

Normally, AU24, I would tend to agree with you about this. However, have you watched the play this thread is mainly pertaining too? #55 for OSU punches Tebow in the head 3 times...tries to step on him, then kicks him. That is totally uncalled for...and the personal fouls that OSU had were very blatant...true, it happens in nearly every game, but to see the QB getting beatdown in the open like that warrants outrage. There is video of the play...I'll try and find it. As far as the rest of the game, I thought it was played with a great deal of sportsmanship.

I have not seen that play, but I'll take your word for it. One player doing a stupid thing, however, does not mean OSU is a team of 'thugs' as this thread title and much of the discussion implys. Based on that logic, Florida is a team of drug dealers :blink:

[GatorHunter]

I have not seen that play, but I'll take your word for it. One player doing a stupid thing, however, does not mean OSU is a team of 'thugs' as this thread title and much of the discussion implys. Based on that logic, Florida is a team of drug dealers :blink:

...and Auburn athletes commit academic fraud... :laugh:

The title is exagerated for sure, but as the game began, I too thought we were about to get into it with a dirty team...but again, as the game progressed the sportsmanship prevailed.

[WallyGoat]

Because i don't think it's a legitimate discussion. All teams play like that. If you claim your team has never commited a facemask or a personal foul, then you're a liar. I seriously doubt the fouls were commited because OSU had a mindset of 'we're gonna play dirty'. That's just part of the game, emotions were running high and these kids are competing.

I never said my team, your team, Jerry Bob's team or anyone's team didn't commit a personal foul. I don't think ANY football fan college or NFL would make that kind of claim.

OSU might not have agreed to play dirty, but a couple players might have thought they could get away with it on a play or two. That's how the game is played.

[AUFootball24]

That's how the game is played.


EXACTLY! So why start a thread calling out the OSU team and calling them 'thugs'?

[gatorunvrsty]

I agree with KillerNut. This thread is ridiculous. If you have every played/know anything about football you know those guys in the trenches are hitting, kicking, scratching, and cussing each other. It happens in every game, it has nothing to do with OSU specifically. These are competitive guys and the emotions were running high.

On another not, I noticed nothing wrong with OSU's style of play and saw nothing dirty.

This thread shouldn't even exist.
Man, if you didn't notice anything wrong with OSU's style of play, and saw nothing dirty; you missed a great game! OSU's STYLE of play got them trampled 41-14. And if you're the only one who didn't see any of the incidents all these other members saw, you picked an opportune time to get popcorn and take a dump. You can't claim all these people didn't see what they say they did. That being said, this thread is ridiculous. None of those things is unique in a football game. That OSU was the culprit surprised me. Surprised the announcers, too; because they alluded to it on more than one occasion. They said all PF's, shoving, and trash talking were uncharacteristic of Tressel-led OSU teams. I'd have thought UF might do some of it, so they wouldn't look intimidated. But, they were dominant so early, OSU quickly became the hunted. Maybe OSU thought they had to do stuff like that. Maybe they just couldn't grasp the idea of being punished so severely by a team they thought didn't deserve to even be on the field with them. Regardless, I'm just proud of our guys for not resorting to that kind of s.it. OSU and UF traded places on the penalty front, too. Just about as perfect a performance as I could have ( and did ) prayed for. :thumpsup:

[Cianne]

helmet to leg tackles are considered playing dirty.

No they aren't. That's how DBs are just plain taught how to tackle now. A dirty play connotates one that doesn't happen all that often usually.

[boyniceasdf]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PCWk7pxYHc

watch #55 from OSU stomp and punch tebow after the run...... this guy deserves a suspension. really makes you wonder if these games are really being reviewed...this is the National Championship for crying out loud!

[Cianne]

The only person(s) that deserves to be punched are the commentators that drone on and on and on and on and on and on and on about Tebow.

[lacene]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PCWk7pxYHc

watch #55 from OSU stomp and punch tebow after the run...... this guy deserves a suspension. really makes you wonder if these games are really being reviewed...this is the National Championship for crying out loud!

damn, that's a terrible video playback......I *think* I see #55 stomp on Tebow as he's getting up, but I can't say for sure, and even so that's all I see. I'll take your word for it, but whoever used their digicam to video the TiVo replay needs to invest in a tripod, seriously! :laugh:

[WallyGoat]

No they aren't. That's how DBs are just plain taught how to tackle now. A dirty play connotates one that doesn't happen all that often usually.

Taking a helmet to the knee is damaging and dirty imho. Legal or not.

[BamaDude06]

Taking a helmet to the knee is damaging and dirty imho. Legal or not.
There are some hits that though legal, are still dirty. Horse collars are still legal in college, but I think the pro game has it right in banning them, as they really are kind of dirty.

[WallyGoat]

There are some hits that though legal, are still dirty. Horse collars are still legal in college, but I think the pro game has it right in banning them, as they really are kind of dirty.

Speaking of which, Reggie Bush got horse collared against the Eagles, but no one called the defender down for it. I really didn't think much of it, because until you brought it to my attention, I didn't know horse collar tackles were illegal in the NFL.

[GatorHunter]

damn, that's a terrible video playback......I *think* I see #55 stomp on Tebow as he's getting up, but I can't say for sure, and even so that's all I see. I'll take your word for it, but whoever used their digicam to video the TiVo replay needs to invest in a tripod, seriously! :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5QLkmZfprI&NR

[lacene]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5QLkmZfprI&NR

OK, thanks, GH! Yeah, I can see it now, and IMO #55 should've been thrown out of the game for that. That still does not warrant labeling the entire team as thugs, but yeah #55 was a thug for that......

[gatorunvrsty]

Speaking of which, Reggie Bush got horse collared against the Eagles, but no one called the defender down for it. I really didn't think much of it, because until you brought it to my attention, I didn't know horse collar tackles were illegal in the NFL.
I hate that rule. Sometimes all a guy can get a hold to is the collar like that. It's not the same as a facemask; where the player's neck is actually turned. If the NFL keeps this up, they might as well take the pads away and have the prima-donnas play flag football. And, how do you keep your helmet from bumping into another guys helmet when you're tackling him at full speed. Spearing guys should be illegal; but they're calling that helmet-to-helmet crap too much. That's what the helmet is for. If your head can't touch another guy's head, there's no need for the helmet.:brick:

[AUFootball24]

I hate that rule. Sometimes all a guy can get a hold to is the collar like that. It's not the same as a facemask; where the player's neck is actually turned. If the NFL keeps this up, they might as well take the pads away and have the prima-donnas play flag football. And, how do you keep your helmet from bumping into another guys helmet when you're tackling him at full speed. Spearing guys should be illegal; but they're calling that helmet-to-helmet crap too much. That's what the helmet is for. If your head can't touch another guy's head, there's no need for the helmet.:brick:


How/why are you trying to compare it to a fasemask?? It's not outlawed because of the way it twists the player with the ball, but rather the way it causes the defensive player to fly into the back of the offensive player's legs, and break them, ala TO and several other players who were on the receiving end of broken legs and knee injuries as a result of horsecollar tackles.

The NFL didn't outlaw it for no reason. They saw enough broken legs and made the right decision. Plus, if you're going to tackle a guy, do it like a man and tackle him, don't pull him down by his equipment.

[AUFootball24]

they're calling that helmet-to-helmet crap too much. That's what the helmet is for. If your head can't touch another guy's head, there's no need for the helmet.:brick:


Helmet to helmet hits cause broken necks, spinal injuries, and concussions.

I take it you never played football.

[Cianne]

I didn't know horse collar tackles were illegal in the NFL.

They are a personal foul as well as a fine from the NFL. Roy Williams and his inability to actually cover anyone mastered the technique.

[Cianne]

How/why are you trying to compare it to a fasemask?? It's not outlawed because of the way it twists the player with the ball, but rather the way it causes the defensive player to fly into the back of the offensive player's legs, and break them, ala TO and several other players who were on the receiving end of broken legs and knee injuries as a result of horsecollar tackles.

It's not just that. The horsecollar tackle causes the players legs to bend at the high ankle point because the body naturally plants itself and tries to avoid falling backward. Just the weight of a 225lb man pulling down while your ankles lock like that can break the bone and potentially end a career because of the possible nerve damage. It creates a similar break to that which Tyrone Prothro suffered.

[gatorunvrsty]

How/why are you trying to compare it to a fasemask?? It's not outlawed because of the way it twists the player with the ball, but rather the way it causes the defensive player to fly into the back of the offensive player's legs, and break them, ala TO and several other players who were on the receiving end of broken legs and knee injuries as a result of horsecollar tackles.

The NFL didn't outlaw it for no reason. They saw enough broken legs and made the right decision. Plus, if you're going to tackle a guy, do it like a man and tackle him, don't pull him down by his equipment.
If you can grab a 225+ lb. RB, running at full speed, and pull him down with one hand; you are tackling him like a man. How is a defensive player who can only reach out and grab a guy with one hand going to run up the back of the legs. A DB chasing a receiver from behind, maybe. But, not a RB that's just broken it outside, and gets grabbed by a DL as the RB races by. I listen to the retired guys who just keep shaking their heads about the rules turning FB into bitchball. Players get paid millions to take those risks. It's supposed to be violent. I like what one coach said; " Football is not a contact sport... it's a collision sport." WAS!

[Cianne]

Players get paid millions to take those risks.

And owners and fans pay those millions to those players not so they can have their seasons/careers ended by people who aren't fast enough or strong enough to get the job done right. It goes both ways.

[AUFootball24]

If you can grab a 225+ lb. RB, running at full speed, and pull him down with one hand; you are tackling him like a man. How is a defensive player who can only reach out and grab a guy with one hand going to run up the back of the legs.

Have you never seen a horse collar tackle?? That's not how it's done. The defender don't just simply reach out and grab a guy's collar with both of his feet firmly planted on the ground. And no, it's not the defender that pulls the man down, it's gravity, so it's not 'tackling like a man'.

The defender grabs the offensive player from behind, but the collar, and simply 'hangs' from the offensive player, pulling him down. The fact that the defender takes his feet off the ground and 'hangs' from the combined with the fact that the offensive player is moving forward, more often than not will result in the defender being pulled into the back of the offensive player's already strained legs.

[gatorunvrsty]

And no, it's not the defender that pulls the man down, it's gravity, so it's not 'tackling like a man'.
It's gravity that pulls the man down?:icon_rofl Wow, I had no idea. Well, those huge guys should just run up to the ball carrier, scare him, and wait for Mother Nature to take its course. We're obviously talking about 2 different things. You've got a picture in your mind of a DB grabbing a fleeing receiver from behind, pulling him down, and rolling up the back of his legs. That's BAD. I'm thinking of a D-lineman that's gotten into the backfield, and can only catch a RB by the back of his collar as he tries to escape, and pulls him down with 1 hand. That's BAD-ASS. And I'll say it again. I'm simply agreeing with the old-timers who say the sport is getting too soft. They expected to be injured and were expected to play injured. It's getting harder and harder to watch when they call penalties that wouldn't even get called in Pop Warner. And, if you made a couple million dollars, but got injured; that's part of the game and its risks. You'd never have to work again as long as you're not Deion Sanders or Michael Irvin.