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dcbama
11-22-2006, 10:47 PM
One of the names mentioned as a possible successor, if Shula is let go. Won a couple of NC's at GA Southern as well. What do you guys think? I like him alot, plus he sounds alot more feasible than spurrier, saban, etc.
BamaFreak
11-23-2006, 01:54 AM
One of the names mentioned as a possible successor, if Shula is let go. Won a couple of NC's at GA Southern as well. What do you guys think? I like him alot, plus he sounds alot more feasible than spurrier, saban, etc.
Two words: triple option. Two more words: no way.
Williams-Brice
11-23-2006, 07:33 AM
One of the names mentioned as a possible successor, if Shula is let go. Won a couple of NC's at GA Southern as well. What do you guys think? I like him alot, plus he sounds alot more feasible than spurrier, saban, etc.
I really don't see his offensive philosophy working at an SEC school.
I really don't see his offensive philosophy working at an SEC school.
Really? I would disagree.
His offense is based on the option. Can you imagine his offense with SEC-caliber players? I think the reason that Johnson isn't more successful than he's been is because he's at Navy. I think that Johnson would succeed at Bama and can you imagine his rushing attack with the blue-chippers in the southeast? :ohmy:
Their admissions standards makes Vandy look like a community college. :blink:
AuburnPawnTiger
11-23-2006, 12:07 PM
Really? I would disagree.
His offense is based on the option. Can you imagine his offense with SEC-caliber players? I think the reason that Johnson isn't more successful than he's been is because he's at Navy. I think that Johnson would succeed at Bama and can you imagine his rushing attack with the blue-chippers in the southeast? :ohmy:
Their admissions standards makes Vandy look like a community college. :blink:
The option has worked in the SEC it was this year and it was Air Force VS. Tennessee. UT has a horrible D though. Week in and week out you would need 3 good backs that stay healthy for it to be marginally successful. The true triple option is DEAD in big time football. Ask Frank Solich how far the option will take you in a BCS conference and He'll say "all the way to Ohio U , the bobcats" If Bama hired him they would take 5 steps backwards. If Bama fires Shula then they have an Ace in the hole, that's the only way he doesn't coach in 07. Basically he is reapplying for his job right now. He needs a plan to present to his bosses that will satisfy the masses. He needs to quit taking xanax before every game , maybe he'll make quicker less predictable descisions. Here's the scenario Bama just got a turnover...Mike shula's thought process.... well should I throw , try to gain momentum, or play it safe and run.....hmmm maybe a trick play....ahh I don't know PLAY CLOCK 14... 13... 12... ahh Darby up the middle (then I'll see what were going to do)
the result anywhere from -4 to a gain of 2
Shula needs to just go balls to the wall in 07
The option has worked in the SEC it was this year and it was Air Force VS. Tennessee. UT has a horrible D though. Week in and week out you would need 3 good backs that stay healthy for it to be marginally successful.
I disagree....
Let's look at that for a moment. Doesn't UF run a variant called the spread option? It appears to be working for Florida doesn't it?
The true triple option is DEAD in big time football. Ask Frank Solich how far the option will take you in a BCS conference and He'll say "all the way to Ohio U , the bobcats"
Well, considering that Solich had a better six (6) year stint than Osborne, I really don't think that helps your argument. What Solich's problem was recruiting. Not the coaching or the scheme. His record reflects that.
1998 - 9-4-0
1999 - 12-1-0
2000 - 10-2-0
2001 - 11-2-0
2002 - 7-7-0
2003 - 9-3-0
Total - 58-19-0
If Bama hired him they would take 5 steps backwards.
No freakin' way. :ohmy: Navy is a hell of a lot tougher to recruit for than Bama and it's proven that Johnson gets the most outta his players. Look at his records since being at Navy.
2002 - 2-10-0
2003 - 8-5-0
2004 - 10-2-0
2005 - 8-4-0
Paul Johnson is an UPGRADE from Shula. The next argument is going to be about his competition. Well, taking into account his recruits, he's playing against an even level of competition and has succeeded. Just for once, imagine the rushing game he would have if he could recruit the true blue-chip athletes?
One other thing, why is it impossible to believe that Johnson wouldn't/couldn't alter his scheme once entering the SEC? That's assuming that his scheme wouldn't work even though I think otherwise. :whistle:
That's not including his 2-1 record against the SEC.
uscrules
11-23-2006, 11:23 PM
Florida may call it's offense a spread option, but with Chis Leak QB it looks nothing like the UTAH spread.
fernandomike
11-24-2006, 09:13 AM
We didn't have a terrible defense when we were playing Air Force. We lost All-American dee tackle Justin Harrell and starting corner Inky Johnson in that game. That is what has hurt our defense. With Harrell playing with one arm we played well against Florida. We had earlier shut down Cal. We simply cannot stop the run minus that stud up front. Thus, we are having to cheat up the safties and exposing ourselves in the passing game. Injuriers are part of it though. We should have had more quality depth at that position. Still, at the time of that game, we were good. The Vols were just completely unaccustomed to defending that style attack. Can you imagine the scout team trying to simulate that offense? No way.
Frank Solich was 4-7 in 2005. This year his Ohio team has 8 wins already with a chance at up to 11 wins......, it can still work.........
Dawgfish
11-24-2006, 11:10 PM
If ya dig a little deeper on Paul Johnson you wil find that he favored a pass offense when he was in a different conference with better athletes. He is an amazing catch of a coach and I wish we could have him at MSU. He doesn't take any crap and he will definitely get the best out of his players. Any team that gets him will be a winner!!! I'll sign up to be on his bandwagon.
Dawgfish
11-24-2006, 11:18 PM
I did a "google" and came up with this on Paul Johnson. . . . This is some pretty impressive stuff IMO.
"After Johnson took over as head coach at Georgia Southern in 1997, he returned the Eagle program to national prominence statistically and in the won-lost ledger. In addition to Georgia Southern's 62-10 mark, the Eagles scored 2,855 points (39.7 points per game), picked up 25,941 rushing yards (360.3 yards per game), 7,816 passing yards (108.6 yards per game) and 33,757 total yards (468.8 yards per game). GSU scored 380 touchdowns in the Johnson Era, an average of 5.3 per game. The Eagles' scoring margin under Johnson was +21.5 (39.7-18.5).
Johnson picked up a milestone victory in the 2000 I-AA National Championship Game against Montana. Not only did the 27-25 victory give Georgia Southern its second-straight national title, but it was Johnson's 50th-career win in four seasons. Only three other coaches in the history of Division I football have won 50 or more games in four seasons, as Johnson joined Walter Camp (1888-1891, 54-2 at Yale), George Woodruff (1892-1895, 53-4 at Penn) and Bob Pruett (1996-99, 50-4 at Marshall) on the exclusive list.
Johnson took over a Georgia Southern program in 1997 that was 4-7 the previous year and orchestrated a turnaround which ranks among the NCAA's best ever, directing the Eagles to a 10-3 record, equaling the school's best mark since 1989. His peers and media members justly rewarded his rebuilding efforts as he earned Southern Conference Coach-of-the-Year honors while also picking up national tributes from the American Football Coaches Association and American Football Quarterly.
In 1998, Johnson guided the Eagles to a perfect 11-0 regular-season record and the school's sixth NCAA Division I-AA National Championship Game appearance before finishing with a 14-1 mark. He directed a high-powered offensive unit which tied or broke 100 records during the campaign, and again earned the league's top coaching honor and received national praise as the recipient of The Sports Network's Eddie Robinson Award -- symbolic of the division's national coach-of-the-year selection.
In 1999, Johnson brought Georgia Southern back to the national championship game and this time it won it, as the Eagles finished 13-2, broke 197 records and won the school's fifth national title. For his efforts, Johnson was honored as the 1999 American Football Coaches Association and Chevrolet I-AA National Coach of the Year.
The Eagles came back in 2000 and won their second-straight national championship, posting a 13-2 record. Johnson was named the American Football Coaches Association I-AA Coach of the Year.
In four-plus seasons, Johnson's squads broke or tied 389 individual and team school, conference, playoff or stadium records, ranked in the top 10 in 21 statistical categories and produced 31 All-Americans. The Eagles won an NCAA I-AA record 39-consecutive games at home, breaking their own mark of 38. Meanwhile, their 52 wins over the last-four seasons were the most in all of Division I.
Georgia Southern produced 300 yards or more of total offense in 53 of its last-59 games and picked up 400-plus yards of total offense in 45 of the last-58 contests. Fullback Adrian Peterson rushed for 6,736 yards in his career, the most in the history of Division I football.
Although lost at times in the glitz and glamour of Johnson's explosive offensive unit, Georgia Southern also had an excellent defense. The 2001 Georgia Southern defense ranked as one of the best ever at the school as it ranked in the top 10 nationally in scoring defense (fourth), total defense (sixth) and pass defense (second). The defense allowed a school-record 12 points per game. "
TaySC
11-24-2006, 11:31 PM
awhile back I asked about how good it would be for USC to have run the option with Newton and Boyd in the backfield.
Everyone told me that the option is dead, doesn't work, etc....
All I know is that every time an SEC team seems to play a true option team they seem to struggle. For sure USC does......
Could it work in the SEC? I think so....
Maybe after a few years teams would learn to defend it better and the program using it might have to evolve, but for a program needing to improve and win some games, the option seems like, well, a viable option to me. :laugh:
GillVol
11-25-2006, 08:56 AM
I hope he goes to bama just because we have the same name.:laugh:
ColonelKurtz
11-25-2006, 09:40 AM
Paul Johnson would be an EXCELLENT choice as HC at ANY program. He coaches to talent as well as anybody out there and those sweating that he only knows the Flexbone is smoking bad crack.
As for all this "spread" nonsense, call it what it is: Single Wing. Old stuff with a new name, nothing more. Those younger fans may not be familiar with the base Offense but you can devine almost limitless variations on its simple theme and premise. The single wing is still a wildly popular scheme in High Schools and just like with any other Offense, you get the right guys toting the ball and it's really fun to watch as well as very, very effective.
Bama fans need to rally behind the guy they got as next season the Tide will be far more dangerous and a sure contender.
AuburnPawnTiger
11-25-2006, 09:55 AM
I disagree....
Let's look at that for a moment. Doesn't UF run a variant called the spread option? It appears to be working for Florida doesn't it?
Well, considering that Solich had a better six (6) year stint than Osborne, I really don't think that helps your argument. What Solich's problem was recruiting. Not the coaching or the scheme. His record reflects that.
1998 - 9-4-0
1999 - 12-1-0
2000 - 10-2-0
2001 - 11-2-0
2002 - 7-7-0
2003 - 9-3-0
Total - 58-19-0
No freakin' way. :ohmy: Navy is a hell of a lot tougher to recruit for than Bama and it's proven that Johnson gets the most outta his players. Look at his records since being at Navy.
2002 - 2-10-0
2003 - 8-5-0
2004 - 10-2-0
2005 - 8-4-0
Paul Johnson is an UPGRADE from Shula. The next argument is going to be about his competition. Well, taking into account his recruits, he's playing against an even level of competition and has succeeded. Just for once, imagine the rushing game he would have if he could recruit the true blue-chip athletes?
One other thing, why is it impossible to believe that Johnson wouldn't/couldn't alter his scheme once entering the SEC? That's assuming that his scheme wouldn't work even though I think otherwise. :whistle:
That's not including his 2-1 record against the SEC.
he is so great nebraska fired him, makes tons of sense
he is so great nebraska fired him, makes tons of sense
You can't argue with statistics no matter how hard you try. You're looking at someone that has followed NU football since I was roughly 8 years old. I may bleed USC, but I've always cheered for the "Big Red".
NU's AD (Pederson) disliked Solich from the get-go. That much is widely known and it is also known that the AD did NOT like the fact that Osborne had the option to name his own successor.
As for statistics, look at the numbers.
First six (6) years coaching at NU.
Osborne
1973 - 9-2-1
1974 - 9-3-0
1975 - 10-2-0
1976 - 9-3-1
1977 - 9-3-0
1978 - 9-3-0
Total: 55-16-2 vs. Solich's 58-19-0
Any questions?
AuburnPawnTiger
11-25-2006, 01:40 PM
You can't argue with statistics no matter how hard you try. You're looking at someone that has followed NU football since I was roughly 8 years old. I may bleed USC, but I've always cheered for the "Big Red".
NU's AD (Pederson) disliked Solich from the get-go. That much is widely known and it is also known that the AD did NOT like the fact that Osborne had the option to name his own successor.
As for statistics, look at the numbers.
First six (6) years coaching at NU.
Osborne
1973 - 9-2-1
1974 - 9-3-0
1975 - 10-2-0
1976 - 9-3-1
1977 - 9-3-0
1978 - 9-3-0
Total: 55-16-2 vs. Solich's 58-19-0
Any questions?
He's so great Nebraska fired him..... make your point without using stat fox .com
BamaDude06
11-25-2006, 01:49 PM
He's so great Nebraska fired him..... make your point without using stat fox .com
Nebraska had their first losing season in about 35 years the year after they fired Solich too.
AuburnPawnTiger
11-25-2006, 01:51 PM
Nebraska had their first losing season in about 35 years the year after they fired Solich too.
they would have had a bunch more had he stayed Coach Cal has them headed in the right direction. Solich had them lingering in the past
Nebraska had their first losing season in about 35 years the year after they fired Solich too.
Thank you!
Finally someone that shows some decent football knowledge. :thumpsup:
they would have had a bunch more had he stayed Coach Cal has them headed in the right direction. Solich had them lingering in the past
You're outta your mind. There is a reason for the mass exodus of players from NU don't you think? :whistle: As for the following statement, my retort is below.....
He's so great Nebraska fired him..... make your point without using stat fox .com
Is that the best you can do to argue your point? :blink: :whistle: Actually I use http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/index.php for all of my stats.
You cannot argue with stats. This isn't CNN. You can't spin this no matter how hard you try. :thumbsdow
AuburnPawnTiger
11-25-2006, 02:58 PM
You really can't prove yourself right or me wrong. Stats are great but they can't predict the future. It is really an opinion on Solich and the option game. I maintain that the option game wouldn't work
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