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BamaDude06
10-31-2006, 11:45 AM
SEC's conference standing taking a hit in 2006By Mark Schlabach
ESPN.com
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I've spent the majority of my professional career in SEC press boxes. From Fayetteville, Ark., to Columbia, S.C., I've always felt SEC schools had the most rabid fans, the prettiest coeds, several of college football's best settings and many of the game's best athletes. The South has always been the region where college football matters most.

Rich Rodriguez's West Virginia team is pointed toward the national title game.So nine seasons out of 10, I would probably agree that from top to bottom, the SEC is hands-down the best conference in college football.

But not this year. The SEC might still be the deepest league in the land, but it's not good enough this season to afford a mulligan to Arkansas, Auburn, Florida or Tennessee, which are all trying to jockey their way back into the BCS title game picture now that USC has fallen.



If the winner of Thursday night's Louisville-West Virginia game at Papa John's Stadium in Louisville (ESPN, 7:30 p.m. ET) finishes the season with an undefeated record, that Big East champion will be more deserving of a spot in the Jan. 8 BCS title game than any one-loss team from the SEC.



In fact, undefeated Louisville or West Virginia would be more deserving than the loser of the Nov. 18 game between No. 1 Ohio State and No. 2 Michigan. And it would be more deserving than one-loss Texas, one-loss California or one-loss Notre Dame.

"Certainly, you keep your eye on that," Louisville coach Bobby Petrino said of the BCS standings. "When you saw USC lose, it's one more step for the winner of our game or the winner of the Big East having a shot at the BCS title game. Rutgers is sitting out there undefeated, so there's more to the season than this game."



The Mountaineers and Cardinals would probably struggle to finish unbeaten in the meat grinder that is the SEC. Auburn couldn't do it this season. Neither could Florida, nor Tennessee. Auburn had its chance to win a national championship and lost to Arkansas. Florida lost to Auburn, and Tennessee lost to the Gators. LSU might be the best team in the league, but the Tigers can't win big games.

The bottom of the SEC is worse than the bottom of the Big East. Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt have combined for two conference victory. Georgia can't score. Kentucky can't defend. South Carolina can't win games that matter.



And what have those SEC teams at the top done besides beat each other? Arkansas got crushed by USC in Week 1. Auburn's best nonconference win came against Washington State.

Florida beat Southern Mississippi and Central Florida and finishes the season against I-AA Western Carolina and Florida State, which is playing like a I-AA team. Tennessee has the SEC's best nonconference win, 35-18 over California in the opener, but the Vols struggled against Air Force and barely beat Alabama and South Carolina.



For that matter, whom has Ohio State beaten besides Texas? Whom has Michigan beaten besides Notre Dame? Whom have the Fighting Irish beaten at all?



So it can be argued that Louisville and West Virginia have played just as tough a schedule as everyone else.

The Big East isn't chopped liver. Rutgers is one of six unbeaten teams left in Division I-A.

Pittsburgh is 6-2 and was on the cusp of being ranked before the Scarlet Knights beat the Panthers.

Cincinnati and South Florida aren't as easy to beat as Mississippi State, and both the Bearcats and Bulls should play in bowl games again. Syracuse and Connecticut still have a ways to go, but both are getting better.





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Brian Brohm's return from injury rekindled Louisville's title aspirations."We're a small league, but from one through eight, we're as strong as we've been in a long time," West Virginia coach Rich Rodriguez said. "I think all of that talk about the demise of the Big East should be gone."



Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese isn't looking past Thursday night's game between his league's two powerhouses. The Mountaineers still have to play at Pittsburgh on Nov. 16 and host Rutgers in a Dec. 2 finale in Morgantown, W.Va. (who would have ever thought a Big East regular-season game would trump the ACC, Big 12 and SEC championship games on the last day of the season?). If the Cardinals beat West Virginia, they still play at Rutgers on Nov. 9 and at Pittsburgh on Nov. 25.



"I haven't even given it a lot of thought," Tranghese said, when asked about the possibility of unbeaten Louisville or West Virginia being left out of the BCS title game. "If that happens, I will be disappointed. But I'm not going to sit here and scream about it. I don't even worry about it. There's still a long way to go. There's a lot of games left. I don't even know if we're going to have an undefeated team left at the end. Those teams still have tough road games left."



Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville was screaming about the BCS, even before his Tigers were upset at home by Arkansas 27-10 on Oct. 7. Auburn regained its footing to beat the Gators 27-17 the following week, but struggled at Ole Miss before beating the lowly Rebels 23-17 last Saturday.



With Tuberville's team right in the middle of the BCS beauty pageant, in which strength of schedule and final scores will matter most during the next month, Auburn is preparing Saturday to play … Arkansas State.

Along with Washington State, the Tigers' other nonconference games were against Buffalo and Tulane. And the Tigers won't face a formidable opponent on the road this season -- they played at Mississippi State, South Carolina and Ole Miss and play rival Alabama in Tuscaloosa on Nov. 18. The Crimson Tide were losing to Duke in the second half three weeks ago.



Beating Georgia, which lost to Vanderbilt and nearly lost to Colorado and Mississippi State, won't do much for the Tigers' strength of schedule this season, either.



Conversely, the Big East teams' strength of schedule figures to get better. If West Virginia finishes undefeated, it will probably have beaten seven teams with winning records -- if Cincinnati, East Carolina and South Florida finish better than 6-6. An undefeated Louisville team would have as many as nine wins against teams with winning records -- if Miami, Kansas State, Middle Tennessee and Cincinnati finish strong.



The Mountaineers' victory over Maryland looks better and better each week, and the Cardinals played the Hurricanes at home and Kansas State on the road. There are few SEC teams that can claim such quality nonconference wins.



"I think because there are so many games left, I don't know how you can compare strength of schedule until the end of the year," Rodriguez said. "For us, everybody said our nonconference schedule wasn't very good. But look at what Maryland did. They beat Florida State and have done well. I think if there are two undefeated teams left from BCS conferences, those two teams will be there."



In a perfect college football world, teams such as Louisville and West Virginia would get an opportunity to prove themselves against the likes of the SEC.



The Mountaineers got that chance a season ago -- and they waxed the SEC champions in the Sugar Bowl.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=2643667

BamaDude06
10-31-2006, 11:47 AM
I know "ESPN Stupidity" is an oxy-moron. But to even suggest the Big East is a better conference?

GamecockDieHard
10-31-2006, 12:04 PM
In one sentence he talks about how Florida state is playing like a 1-AA team and that's bad for Florida and then there's the quote by Rodriguez that Maryland beat Florida State and that's a good thing for WV since they beat Maryland. Sounds like the usual fuzzy math coming from the BCS.

I can't argue with his assessment of SC. We haven't been able to win the games that matter.

DELTOR
10-31-2006, 12:05 PM
Whoa.... this article is completely absurd! There is so much to argue with this guy, that I can't even put the words into sequence, therefore making me speechless.

tecmsu06
10-31-2006, 12:10 PM
yeah I was disappointed when I read this.. I usually don't mind Schlabach's stuff on ESPN.com.

WallyGoat
10-31-2006, 12:17 PM
I've always felt SEC schools had the most rabid fans, the prettiest coeds, several of college football's best settings and many of the game's best athletes.

Since when did the term "co-ed" become unhyphenated and limited to only women? Dudes are co-eds too. So is this guy implying that he thinks all SEC college students are....."pretty?"

Anyway, I saw this article on another forum. To say that the Big Least and it's two "powerhouses", Louisville and WVU, and unbeaten Rutgers are better than UF, UT, LSU, AU, and even Bama, Arky, and SC is absurd.

Boise State is still undefeated in their respective conference. Are they better than UF, AU, LSU, and UT? No.

I would love to see WVU and UofL play an SEC conf. schedule.

Gator2753
10-31-2006, 12:18 PM
Ill take Ole Miss over South Fla anyday! And ill take Vandy over uconn anyday!
What a bunch of crap! There are 3 teams ranked in the big east and 4 in the SEC. Not to mention Georgia, LSU, USC, and Bama play everyone pretty tough especially here lately and I wouldnt be suprised to see 5 or 6 SEC temas wind up ranked in the top 25 by the time all the bowl games are over.

azamugg
10-31-2006, 12:37 PM
well we all used to say what if FSU and Miami played in the SEC or a tough conference........havent we now discovered the answer to that question?

AU Blaaaaaaaake
10-31-2006, 01:20 PM
If I was going to try and argue that there was a better conference than the SEC, it sure as hell wouldn't be the big east. Maybe the big 10, but the only reason the big east has 3 undefeateds is those three teams haven't played eachother. The rest of their conference is a joke.

cocky4ever
10-31-2006, 01:29 PM
That guy is an idiot..he runs with the OOC schedule while completely ignoring the inconference schedule because it helps his argument. Shouldnt it tell him something when a team from that conference is 6-2 and was "on the cusp of being in the top 25"..before losing to an undefeated team. That right there should be plenty of evidence that the rest of the country doesnt view those wins as meaningful.

Rutgers best win came against Pitt., with their other wins coming against: UNC, Illinois, Ohio, Howard, South Florida, Navy, and UCONN.

Pitts best victory came against UVA..team who's 4-5 in the horrid ACC. Their other wins came against: Cincinnati, the Citadel, Toledo, Syracuse, and UCF. They got blown out by Mich. St. and got beat pretty handily by Rutgers.

Louisville's beat win came against a mediocre at best Miami team. Their other "great" wins came against: Kentucky, Temple, Kansas St., Middle Tennessee, and Syracuse.

WV's best win came against Maryland...again a crappy ACC team(are we seeing a pattern here). The rest of their wins came against: Marshall, Eastern Washington, ECU, Miss. St., Syracuse, and UCONN.

What else can I say??....

ColonelKurtz
10-31-2006, 01:42 PM
Rutgers might be undefeated but I wasn't impressed Sunday night in their win over UConn. Louisville's defeat of Miami ain't looking that impressive now is it? And who has WVa stomped who was worth a crap?

Slackback is full of shat and a one loss SEC Champion will have lots of computer love that no BE team can attain. That's a fact.

AUFootball24
10-31-2006, 02:50 PM
SEC's conference standing taking a hit in 2006By Mark Schlabach
ESPN.com
Archive

The bottom of the SEC is worse than the bottom of the Big East. Ole Miss, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt have combined for two conference victory. Georgia can't score. Kentucky can't defend. South Carolina can't win games that matter.


Bottom half of the SEC(bottom 6 teams):

Bama (arguable)
UGA (arguable)
Vandy
Ole Miss
Kentucky
Miss. State

Bottom half of the Big East (bottom 4 teams):

Cincinatti
South Florida
Conneticut
Sryacuse



The above shows me that this man has no place being a sports writer or even having a job at a burger joint. An ape could pick the better group.

uscrules
10-31-2006, 03:57 PM
The Southeastern Conference is by a large margin the best and strongest football conference in America. That is as simple as I can put it.

Kevhugh
10-31-2006, 04:20 PM
ESPN has grown into a pretty big workplace. With that in mind you have to do something to be recognized among such a large group of talented writers and sports journalists. Apparently this guy is trying to take a page out of Colin Cowherd's book: Say the most outrageous thing possible and people will pay attention to you. In my opinion it gets old when Cowherd does it and I'd have to say the same thing about Schlabach. Drivel like this didn't even deserve my effort to read it. To prove my point, who do you think would win the following games:

West Virginia vs. Florida
Louisville vs. Auburn/LSU/Tennessee (take your pick)
Rutgers vs. Any SEC school not from Mississippi

I rest my case.

GatorHunter
10-31-2006, 04:49 PM
WVA plays ONE ranked team...Louisville...

Louisville plays TWO ranked teams...WVA and Rutgers...

Rutgers plays ONE ranked team...Louisville...

Notice a trend here?

zorak34
10-31-2006, 05:33 PM
Who the hell has WV or Louy played. Yeah you do go undefeated when you beat up on high school teams! I get tired of hearing all these sports commentors say the big east is tuff this year that is a big BS.

TaySC
10-31-2006, 08:19 PM
Personally, I hope this is settled on the field come bowl time.

Everyone, including this guy, can speculate til they are blue in the face, but if we (the SEC) want to shut these clowns up, we have to do it where it counts..... on the field.

The "experts" almost always pick a few mid-major schools with an easy schedule to jump on their bandwagon. Once in a blue moon the "experts" are right and that team is good enough to actually play with the big boys...... the other 90% of the time this concept was little more than a brilliant idea some goofball at ESPN thought up while smoking a joint with his budies and telling everyone how wonderful he is. Come to think of it.... they kind of remind me of that TD4ARKOHMY clown....

UTVOLINSIDER
10-31-2006, 10:13 PM
Have you ever noticed that espn always has 1-2 teams they r in love with. It causes these teams to be ranked high in the begining. Most years those teams fail...but this year u have louwy-wv-cal. They have gotton lucky to this point and it shows with the rankings. You watch..if the louwy-wv game is not close(14 or more) and the winner wins out they will play for the nc against the winner of the ostate-mich.If it is close...the losers of those games will keep some SEC team out of the BCS. ESPN has so much influence over the rest of the media voters that they almost could get any team into the BCS if they win. No matter who they play during the season. That and several other reasons is why I hate espn.
You and I both know the SEC has been and always will be the BAR for D-1 football.
Let these other teams come play the SEC week in and week out and they will find what kind of programs they do have. WE all know thats not gonna happen...so we just keep debating this every year. TO HELL WITH THEM ALL..REAL FOOTBALL IS PLAYED IN THE SOUTH ALWAYS HAS AND ALWAYS WILL!!!
GO VOLS!

Wizard of Orange
11-01-2006, 11:02 AM
The guys on ESPN U were pushing Texas as the most worthy of the one-loss teams. I guess you could make a good argument for them: with wins over NEB Okla, Tx Tech, but they've struggled the last two weeks and are fortunate not to be 6-3 instead of 8-1.

I suppose having North Texas and Sam Houston St on your schedule really boosts your Str of Sch...lol