Allah vs Jesus

[timNem]

Allah or Jesus?
by Rick Mathes
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for
maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths who explained their belief systems.

I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.

The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam, complete with a video. After the presentations, time was provided for questions and answers.

When it was my turn, I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that most Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me
the definition of an infidel?"

There was no disagreement with my statements and without hesitation he replied, "Non-believers!"

I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to Heaven. Is that correct?"

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

I then stated, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Pat Robertson or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to Heaven!"

The Imam was speechless.

I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question. Would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to Heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to Heaven and He wants you to be with me?"

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.

Chuck Colson once told me something that has sustained me these 20 years of prison ministry.

He said to me, "Rick, remember that the truth will prevail." And it will!

Rick Mathes
MissionGateMinisry@msn.com
http://www.missiongateministry.org/

[cocky4ever]

Wrong..... (http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp)

[dcbama]

On quite possibly the dumbest post in history. Judging from that post, I'm surprised you were able to figure out how to turn the computer on, much less send out that garbage, so congrats on that as well. Also, thanks for being such a wonderful ambassador to our University. You make us all so proud.

[RW13]

Yeah, I was about to post that it sounded fake, good job cocky4ever pointing out it's fakeness......

[Cianne]

Pretty much anything like this is proven false by Snopes, without fail.

[timNem]

Wrong..... (http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp)Didn't realize that. But it still makes a good point.

[timNem]

On quite possibly the dumbest post in history. Judging from that post, I'm surprised you were able to figure out how to turn the computer on, much less send out that garbage, so congrats on that as well. Also, thanks for being such a wonderful ambassador to our University. You make us all so proud.I don't understand your ranting, it is just a post. If it offended you in any way, then you, my friend, are the dumb one.

[azamugg]

he didnt know any better, but ya'll hipped him to Snopes and thats all that counts

[AU Blaaaaaaaake]

I was hoping for a cartoon or YouTube video of the two fighting. This thread lacks.

[cocky4ever]

Didn't realize that. But it still makes a good point.
It doesnt make a good point. There are violent passages in the Quran and Bible, as well as peaceful passages in the Quran and Bible.Unless the point you were trying to make was that the major religions contradict themselves I dont think you made a good point.

[timNem]

It doesnt make a good point. There are violent passages in the Quran and Bible, as well as peaceful passages in the Quran and Bible.Unless the point you were trying to make was that the major religions contradict themselves I dont think you made a good point.
Do you hear current priests, pastors, bishops, or preachers handing out a fatwa for Christian jihad? Are the clergy and their messages or sermons calling for the extinction of the Jewish people?

[Cianne]

Do you hear current priests, pastors, bishops, or preachers handing out a fatwa for Christian jihad? Are the clergy and their messages or sermons calling for the extinction of the Jewish people?

Like Cocky said in another thread somewhere, Islam is in it's Crusade period. All religions go through the phase.

[timNem]

Like Cocky said in another thread somewhere, Islam is in it's Crusade period. All religions go through the phase.Islam was the REASON for the Crusades. Read the history.

[Cianne]

Islam was the REASON for the Crusades. Read the history.
What does that have to do with anything? Christianity and Judaism are the reason for the current Islamic crusade.

The Crusades were not reactionary. They were a proactive attempt to cleanse the Holy Land of Islam.

[cocky4ever]

Do you hear current priests, pastors, bishops, or preachers handing out a fatwa for Christian jihad? Are the clergy and their messages or sermons calling for the extinction of the Jewish people?
There are people basically calling for the extinction of Islam on this site right now :ohmy: As far as the jews go there are plenty of christians who speak out against jews..granted its died down a little since both are now focusing their hatred towards a common enemy(Islam), but there is certainly a lot of anti-semitism present in plenty of christian's views.

[WarEagler]

I've never understood religion and never will. When in the wrong hands it = poison for the brain.

[Neo]

Do you hear current priests, pastors, bishops, or preachers handing out a fatwa for Christian jihad? Are the clergy and their messages or sermons calling for the extinction of the Jewish people?


That's because it's not happening.

Now, according to the Bible, when Jesus was born, he abolished the "Old Law" aka "Old Testament" and his word became law. (New Testament) So you see, the Old Testament no longer applies.

Jesus preached about loving your enemy as you would your mother. Jesus taught love, tolerance and compassion for all people. That's wayyyy different from Islam.

I agree with what TimNem is trying to say and he's correct. You don't see Christians, Catholics, etc, etc telling you to kill anyone that isn't of your faith. They say the exact opposite.

I don't care what religion it is. I'll reject any religion or God that tells me to kill one of his innocent children for his own pleasure. :angry:

Islam is a hate-based religion and I hope that anyone that believes in the dribble about killing infidels (Innocent non Arabs) burns in hell.

[cocky4ever]

Now, according to the Bible, when Jesus was born, he abolished the "Old Law" aka "Old Testament" and his word became law. (New Testament) So you see, the Old Testament no longer applies.

Jesus also said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."

Jesus preached about loving your enemy as you would your mother. Jesus taught love, tolerance and compassion for all people. That's wayyyy different from Islam.

Jesus also said ""Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."

[Cianne]

I'll reject any religion or God that tells me to kill one of his innocent children for his own pleasure.

So you're saying that Allah commands his followers to kill non-followers out of some sadistic, Dahmer-esque ideal?

[USAFGAMECOCK]

Jesus also said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."



Jesus also said ""Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."

What verse is this? I'm not doubting your credibility I just want to read what it says prior and after this. Thanks

[cocky4ever]

What verse is this? I'm not doubting your credibility I just want to read what it says prior and after this. Thanks
The first one starts at Matthew 5:17 and the second one starts at Matthew 10:34

[Cianne]

Maybe everyone should just be Buddhist and then everyone would be happy and good towards one another.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

What verse is this? I'm not doubting your credibility I just want to read what it says prior and after this. Thanks
The verses are below, and an explanation of what I believe (and what I think most Christians believe) regarding those scripture verses.

Matthew 10:34-39.....Jesus is speaking about the division that comes, even among family members, over their belief or lack of belief about Jesus. We see in many households, division between family members who believe in Jesus and those that don't. Jesus is saying He should come first, even above family members.

Matthew 5:13-16.... Jesus is saying that He did not come to abolish the Ten Commandments. Jesus gives a clear indication that the Ten Commandments are still to be followed and adhered to even in our generation and every generation to come until the day that He returns.

Anyway, that's my $0.02 worth.

[Neo]

Jesus also said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."


You're taking it out of context. Yes Jesus abolished the old law, but reaffirmed the Ten Commandments. For instance, the Old Law stated that you were NOT allowed to work on the sabbath under any circumstances, but Jesus said:

"What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it and lift it out?" "How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days." Matthew 12:11-12.


For Jesus' abolishment of the old law, see Matthew 5:19-48.


See, at the time of Christ's birth, everyone was doomed to burn in hell for all eternity. It was only after Jesus' birth and death was salvation possible.

He (Jesus) makes it very clear to those that read the verses above that he in fact, replaced the old law with his law.




Jesus also said ""Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."



Read Matthew 5:43-44.

Verse 43:
"Ye have heard that it hath been said, thou shall love thy neighbor and hate thy enemy."

Verse 44:
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully useyou, and persecute you."



See, I don't know where you got the above scripture from, but I have posted my links for you to read and educate yourself on.

Jesus told us that we were once told to hate our enemies, but now he (Jesus) is telling us to love thy enemies and show compassion to all people.

[WarEagler]

Maybe everyone should just be Buddhist and then everyone would be happy and good towards one another.
:thumpsup: :thumpsup:

[OmahaBound]

You don't see Christians, Catholics, etc, etc telling you to kill anyone that isn't of your faith.

I love how in the south Catholics are separated from Christians. Catholics and Protestants are different, but they're both Christians. I'm not trying to pick on you Neo, just making an observation. Whether it was intentional or not on your part, I hear that all the time down here.

[timNem]

Jesus also said "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."



Jesus also said ""Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."That is referring to a person becoming new. If a person accepts Christ then they have laid their "old man" to rest, they become new.

[timNem]

So you're saying that Allah commands his followers to kill non-followers out of some sadistic, Dahmer-esque ideal?Not just Allah but Muhammed (his prophet) did. Muhammed wrote the koran yet he was illiterate. He was quite the freaky guy he married a 5 or 6 year old girl. Muhammed and his followers killed thousands of people that wouldnt convert. What is scary is their belief about the young boy in the well that is to reappear once they destroy Israel. The president of Iran referred to this in one of his "destroy Israel" speeches. Here is a link to the book Prophet of Doom that is free to read by downloading the pdfs:


http://prophetofdoom.net/pdf.aspx?g=401&i=41002

[Cianne]

Muhammed wrote the koran yet he was illiterate.

Don't have much to say from the rest of your post but isn't the point of something being divinely inspired that literacy wouldn't matter?