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OmahaBound
10-23-2006, 05:33 PM
What do you guys thing about Barack Obama potentially running in '08?
Bburton86
10-23-2006, 06:07 PM
Better chance than Hillary.
fernandomike
10-23-2006, 06:07 PM
I like him a lot, but look for the "L" word to be tossed about quite a bit.
Cianne
10-23-2006, 07:07 PM
Lesbian. That's what Showtime told me the "L" word was.
OmahaBound
10-23-2006, 07:17 PM
So I'm to gather from the posts so far that Obama is a big earred lesbian that is NOT hillary clinton? Sounds like someone I'd vote for.
Bburton86
10-23-2006, 07:52 PM
I'd vote for him.
scunyon
10-23-2006, 08:25 PM
I'd vote for him.
scfan5338
10-23-2006, 08:35 PM
I'd vote for him. He is saying the right things right now and seems to be the best candidate. You know there are going to be those people in the south who are not going to vote for him because he is you know what.
scunyon
10-23-2006, 08:43 PM
You know there are going to be those people in the south who are not going to vote for him because he is you know what.
Yep, he's telling the truth :laugh: Oh, and he's a black feller :ohmy:
scunyon
10-23-2006, 08:45 PM
Ya know, it's funny that this thread came up, because I was talking to one of the former Attorney General's for SC who said that some people would vote for Hitler, Stalin or Mao Tse Tung if they had a (D) or (R) behind their name.
TigerFanatic
10-24-2006, 01:48 AM
too young.
i don't mean age, but he hasn't established himself on a national lvl enough yet to make a run. in 2012 or 2016? yea, i can see him running, and potentially winning
Jay Bee
10-24-2006, 09:10 AM
What do you guys thing about Barack Obama potentially running in '08?
I think they should keep Shula for a long, long time! :laugh:
WDE!
jb
OmahaBound
10-24-2006, 10:29 AM
Mark Warner
he's already stated he's not going to run. did you hear that or are you thinking he'll change his mind?
I guess I'm really looking for some responses from the Repubs. on the board. I know Obama's politics won't lead you to vote for him, but I'm wondering if the Right has any problems with him as a man yet. There's been so much vitriol in DC the last 10+ years, and I think he could be the start of a calming influence. The right and left are never going to get along, but we need to try to get to a point where we can work together as adults and not arbitrarily disagree like 5 year olds.
Razorbabe
10-24-2006, 12:09 PM
Almost no experience but with a glib line and Oprah's annointing should get him blessed by George Soros and the rest of the Democrats with no problems. He's a secular progressive liberal moron. In other words, their dream candidate.
Almost no experience but with a glib line and Oprah's annointing should get him blessed by George Soros and the rest of the Democrats with no problems. He's a secular progressive liberal moron. In other words, their dream candidate.
Secular is what's gonna win in 08' btw, the religous fundamentalism stuff that worked for W the past 2 times isn't gonna work again for at least two presidential election cycles. Even the Republican nomination (whomever that may be) will distance himself (in relation to how W positioned himself) from the religous right. The Majority of Americans (left and right) do not want a theocracy......
Razorbabe
10-24-2006, 12:58 PM
Secular is what's gonna win in 08' btw, the religous fundamentalism stuff that worked for W the past 2 times isn't gonna work again for at least two presidential election cycles. Even the Republican nomination (whomever that may be) will distance himself (in relation to how W positioned himself) from the religous right. The Majority of Americans (left and right) do not want a theocracy......
According to who? You? Also, get out your dictionary and look up "theocracy". The state-sponsored religion by a supreme being or clerical representatives you reference is certainly present in muslim countries, but not in ours.
Polls show that over 70% of Americans are not in favor of secular progressive agenda items such as legalized abortion and gay marriage.
You might also want to explain why talk radio show host Rush Limbaugh and cable television's king-of-cable-news ratings Bill O'Reilly enjoy such huge ratings, if the majority of Americans are as enamoured with the Democrats as you seem to be.
Further, the Democrats themselves are cozying up to the "religious right", because that constitutes a huge voting block in America. If Republican nominees are distancing themselves from something, it isn't that. It's more likely a highly unpopular President who has followed through with his convictions about the War in Iraq and its importance in the War on Terror.
1. Presidential Elections are different than Congressional Elections
2. Legalized Abortion and Gay Marriage are the two most galvanizing religious issues, nice job cherry picking there
3. Rush Limbaugh's and O'Reilly's success vs. support for Democrats are two separate things. Drowning Deaths are always at their highest when ice cream sales are at their highest, doesn't mean they are directly related.
4. My post wasn't partisan towards the left or right, nice try using "democrat" on me though
azamugg
10-24-2006, 01:16 PM
Secular is what's gonna win in 08' btw, the religous fundamentalism stuff that worked for W the past 2 times isn't gonna work again for at least two presidential election cycles. Even the Republican nomination (whomever that may be) will distance himself (in relation to how W positioned himself) from the religous right. The Majority of Americans (left and right) do not want a theocracy......
interesting you say that because the democrats are adding "religion" to their recipe as we speak in many shapes and form......listen to Hillary
azamugg
10-24-2006, 01:18 PM
1. Presidential Elections are different than Congressional Elections
2. Legalized Abortion and Gay Marriage are the two most galvanizing religious issues, nice job cherry picking there
3. Rush Limbaugh's and O'Reilly's success vs. support for Democrats are two separate things. Drowning Deaths are always at their highest when ice cream sales are at their highest, doesn't mean they are directly related.
4. My post wasn't partisan towards the left or right, nice try using "democrat" on me though
RW......take out the negative connotation but under that mask you are a liberal and you know it
cocky4ever
10-24-2006, 01:19 PM
According to who? You? Also, get out your dictionary and look up "theocracy". The state-sponsored religion by a supreme being or clerical representatives you reference is certainly present in muslim countries, but not in ours.
Polls show that over 70% of Americans are not in favor of secular progressive agenda items such as legalized abortion and gay marriage.
You might also want to explain why talk radio show host Rush Limbaugh and cable television's king-of-cable-news ratings Bill O'Reilly enjoy such huge ratings, if the majority of Americans are as enamoured with the Democrats as you seem to be.
Further, the Democrats themselves are cozying up to the "religious right", because that constitutes a huge voting block in America. If Republican nominees are distancing themselves from something, it isn't that. It's more likely a highly unpopular President who has followed through with his convictions about the War in Iraq and its importance in the War on Terror.
Where are these polls that show 70% of Americans are against abortion?? Most people feel there should be restrictions on them, and there are. I have a little girl on the way and wouldnt use abortion in my own life, but I feel that people should have the right to choose that option in certain situations. But if you think abortion should be outlawed(and claim that 70% of Americans do as well) then here are some things to consider.
If abortion becomes illegal it means that as soon as a being has human DNA it is considered a life. Does that mean that we should be able to take out life insurace policies on fetus'?? That is a right that all people have in this country, why exclude fetus'? Should an autopsy be performed every time there is a miscarriage or a baby is stillborn? Again, rights every American has. If a pregnant woman does something(even as simple as lifting an object thats too heavy), and it results in a miscarriage, should the woman be charged with involuntary manslaughter? Afterall, she was responsible for the death(albeit inadvertantly).
There may be a lot of people who oppose gay marriage, but then again there were a lot of people who opposed blacks marrying whites a few decades ago. If it would've went to a vote it probably would've not been passed...does that make it right?? Plus polls show that younger people approve of gay people having the right to marry or having a civil union. We're moving in the right direction..but just like with interracial marriages there is a lot of bigotry still planted that has to die out before we can move forward.
We may not be in a theocracy...but we're certainly closer now than we were 6 years ago. Bush and the neocons played a huge role in having the country move in that direction.
First things first, Hilary isn't gonna win.
And as for 70%.......
http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm
RW......take out the negative connotation but under that mask you are a liberal and you know it
I'll make you a deal. Give me a real definition of what a liberal is and I'll give you an honest answer if I fit that definition or not.
azamugg
10-24-2006, 01:35 PM
I wish the polls questions would read "Do you favor being able to have an abortion to avoid the responsibility of having to raise a baby since you didnt have the discipline to avoid pregnancy"
and then ask the same woman "Do you favor a man/father having the choice to avoid responsibilty of supporting your child if you chose to have the baby"
I wish the polls questions would read "Do you favor being able to have an abortion to avoid the responsibility of having to raise a baby since you didnt have the discipline to avoid pregnancy"
and then ask the same woman "Do you favor a man/father having the choice to avoid responsibilty of supporting your child if you chose to have the baby"
Ha, yeah, then we would be reaching the 98% range for against abortion....
azamugg
10-24-2006, 02:00 PM
I'll make you a deal. Give me a real definition of what a liberal is and I'll give you an honest answer if I fit that definition or not.
I'll come up with one but like I said I didnt mean that negatively, just based on your posts.....I'll be back
I'll come up with one but like I said I didnt mean that negatively, just based on your posts.....I'll be back
I know that, I didn't take it bad, we'll just end up seeing based on your definition, hell, maybe I am just confused......
OmahaBound
10-24-2006, 03:29 PM
Almost no experience but with a glib line and Oprah's annointing should get him blessed by George Soros and the rest of the Democrats with no problems. He's a secular progressive liberal moron. In other words, their dream candidate.
He's secular? Just because your religious beliefs may disagree with his doesn't mean he is secular.
Sen. Barack Obama chastised fellow Democrats on Wednesday for failing to "acknowledge the power of faith in the lives of the American people," and said the party must compete for the support of evangelicals and other churchgoing Americans.
"Not every mention of God in public is a breach to the wall of separation. Context matters," the Illinois Democrat said in remarks prepared for delivery to a conference of Call to Renewal, a faith-based movement to overcome poverty...
At the same time, he said, "Secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering the public square."
As a result, "I think we make a mistake when we fail to acknowledge the power of faith in the lives of the American people and join a serious debate about how to reconcile faith with our modern, pluralistic democracy."
He sure sounds like a secularist in the following quote too:
But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt I heard God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.
The path I traveled has been shared by millions upon millions of Americans -- evangelicals, Catholics, Protestants, Jews and Muslims alike; some since birth, others at a turning point in their lives. It is not something they set apart from the rest of their beliefs and values. In fact, it is often what drives them.
This is why, if we truly hope to speak to people where they're at -- to communicate our hopes and values in a way that's relevant to their own -- we cannot abandon the field of religious discourse.
An interesting read relating to his views on abortion: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1546298,00.html
scunyon
10-24-2006, 03:38 PM
First things first, Hilary isn't gonna win.
And as for 70%.......
http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm
Lest you forget, she already ran the country from '92-'00. So if she were to win, she would just be re-elected to serve a third term in office :laugh:
Razorbabe
10-24-2006, 04:02 PM
I urge you to quote a better source for any poll or statistical interpretation than CNN or the New York Times. Try for an independent research institution/source instead of ones with extreme liberal agendas if you want to impress anyone with a brain and the ability to correctly interpret data.
Nevertheless, this is an excerpt from a recent ABC News poll taken at the anniversary of Roe v. Wade:
Jan. 22 — Thirty years after Roe vs. Wade, public support for legal abortion is highly conditional: In some cases, such as to save the woman's life, it's overwhelming; but in others — notably, solely to terminate an unwanted pregnancy — most Americans oppose the procedure.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/abortion_poll030122.html
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I depends on how you ask the question. A majority of Americans oppose abortion in cases where it is a termination of an unwanted pregnancy, but a majority of Americans also support abortion in the case of saving a mother's life or in the case of incest or rape.
http://www.heritage.org/research/family/wm577.cfm
Please note the article on decline of the family and child-rearing taking place in Europe and the Netherlands, where same-sex unions have been "blessed" by their governments.
The CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll puts the number of Americans who do not favor same-sex unions being legal at very close to 70%, according to the Gallup site.
Two independent private-funded research sites are the Heritage Foundation (which I listed above), who blasts the NYT inability to correctly interpret data on this and other topics, and the Pew Research Foundation website.
http://pewresearch.org/
The key factors Americans are indicating they will base their voting on is the economy and national security (protection from terrorism). These are the determinate issues, and not "religion" or "theocracy" in America.
Bburton86
10-24-2006, 04:23 PM
And an ABC poll is unbiased?
OmahaBound
10-24-2006, 05:15 PM
I urge you to
All well and good, but can we keep this on topic and discuss Obama. Feel free to start another thread if you want to debate abortion and gay marriage though.
The Heritage Foundation doesn't have an Agenda?? Am I in the twilight zone here??
timNem
10-25-2006, 02:44 AM
Where are these polls that show 70% of Americans are against abortion?? Most people feel there should be restrictions on them, and there are. I have a little girl on the way and wouldnt use abortion in my own life, but I feel that people should have the right to choose that option in certain situations. But if you think abortion should be outlawed(and claim that 70% of Americans do as well) then here are some things to consider.
If abortion becomes illegal it means that as soon as a being has human DNA it is considered a life. Does that mean that we should be able to take out life insurace policies on fetus'?? That is a right that all people have in this country, why exclude fetus'? Should an autopsy be performed every time there is a miscarriage or a baby is stillborn? Again, rights every American has. If a pregnant woman does something(even as simple as lifting an object thats too heavy), and it results in a miscarriage, should the woman be charged with involuntary manslaughter? Afterall, she was responsible for the death(albeit inadvertantly).
There may be a lot of people who oppose gay marriage, but then again there were a lot of people who opposed blacks marrying whites a few decades ago. If it would've went to a vote it probably would've not been passed...does that make it right?? Plus polls show that younger people approve of gay people having the right to marry or having a civil union. We're moving in the right direction..but just like with interracial marriages there is a lot of bigotry still planted that has to die out before we can move forward.
We may not be in a theocracy...but we're certainly closer now than we were 6 years ago. Bush and the neocons played a huge role in having the country move in that direction.Insurance companies and their policies don't dictate human law. We don't make laws according to how it may affect insurance.
timNem
10-25-2006, 02:46 AM
I don't know much about the guy except his name sounds kinda scary and he has only been a senator for two years and he's the best out there?
nooneLT
10-25-2006, 01:44 PM
too young.
i don't mean age, but he hasn't established himself on a national lvl enough yet to make a run. in 2012 or 2016? yea, i can see him running, and potentially winning
i agree with you. and i think that's what they were saying when he won the seat in '04. he'll be too young/inexperienced in the national level to successfully run. give him a few more years to make a name for himself, as some people haven't heard of him and he might make a successful campaign.
i personally would have to look at his platform. just because i'm a christian doesn't mean i'm voting republican.
BamaMatt
10-25-2006, 02:26 PM
I wouldn't vote for him.
I'm ready for a true choice and not more of this two-party switch-a-roo.
fernandomike
10-25-2006, 04:28 PM
Almost no experience but with a glib line and Oprah's annointing should get him blessed by George Soros and the rest of the Democrats with no problems. He's a secular progressive liberal moron. In other words, their dream candidate.
Secular? Well, I think that has been disproven. Moron? That is obviously not the case. I do think that you got the liberal part right.
There also appears to be a contradiction between your statement that a "secular" candidate is "their dream candidate" and your later comment that the Democrats are "cozying up to the religious right." Ah, those tricky liberals, dreaming of one thing and cozying up to another.
cocky4ever
10-26-2006, 10:01 AM
Heres the link to his website:
Barack Obama (http://obama.senate.gov/)
His comments on the issues seem to be pretty generic..which doesnt surprise me at this point. I'd have to see him in a political debate before I came to a conclusion on whether or not I would vote for him.
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