Our Future

[GeauxTo]

Interesting read...

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government."

"A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury."

"From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years."

"During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage"

Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Gore: 19; Bush: 29

Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000

Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2; Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: "In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare..."

Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the "complacency and apathy" phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the "governmental dependency" phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegals and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

[Cianne]

Wonder what his definition of great is. It's obviously not much if the average only stretches three or four generations.

[cocky4ever]

I figured those murder rates had to be wrong..especially considering that Bush won a majority of the southern states and the south overall has an above average crime rate.

Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp)

He makes some good points about the fall of democracies, but as usual these points are made to present one side as being better than the other. I wonder what the person who put this e-mail together in 2000 thinks about it now. Considering the insane amount of spending done on Bush v.2.0's watch in a House and Senate ran by a majority of republicans it should be obvious that these labels dont work. No party is immune to corruption, and the more power/control the larger the amount of corruption that emerges.

[azamugg]

I figured those murder rates had to be wrong..especially considering that Bush won a majority of the southern states and the south overall has an above average crime rate.

Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp)

He makes some good points about the fall of democracies, but as usual these points are made to present one side as being better than the other. I wonder what the person who put this e-mail together in 2000 thinks about it now. Considering the insane amount of spending done on Bush v.2.0's watch in a House and Senate ran by a majority of republicans it should be obvious that these labels dont work. No party is immune to corruption, and the more power/control the larger the amount of corruption that emerges.

the spending has gone crazy but we both know that Bush allowed the spending as tit for tat (the war spending)

[Cianne]

I bow to Cocky for his foresight to check Snopes. Most of the things Geaux posts along these lines fall into the category of things that Snopes proves untrue.

[azamugg]

I bow to Cocky for his foresight to check Snopes. Most of the things Geaux posts along these lines fall into the category of things that Snopes proves untrue.

I have never been able to get a bead on you Cianne, your political leanings.....sometimes you seem conservative, but most of your political posts you seem to be either casually or cautiously neutral, which of course I have no problem with, just bored

[cocky4ever]

the spending has gone crazy but we both know that Bush allowed the spending as tit for tat (the war spending)
Well yeah..theres a lot of war spending....but then again this administration has seen more pork than a slaughterhouse.

[Cianne]

I have never been able to get a bead on you Cianne, your political leanings.....sometimes you seem conservative, but most of your political posts you seem to be either casually or cautiously neutral, which of course I have no problem with, just bored

I hold no political allegiance. For the most part, I'll argue something just for the sake of arguing something. My only real belief, if you want to call it that, is that all politicians are scum, none of them have the bettering of society in general in mind, all conform to the all mighty dollar, and thusly, it doesn't matter which side is in power, both sides are equivalently the same.

[roosterbooster]

I hold no political allegiance. For the most part, I'll argue something just for the sake of arguing something. My only real belief, if you want to call it that, is that all politicians are scum, none of them have the bettering of society in general in mind, all conform to the all mighty dollar, and thusly, it doesn't matter which side is in power, both sides are equivalently the same.

My Dad on Politics:

Never trust anyone who can give themselves a raise when the company is losing money.

[timNem]

Neither party cares what the American (Legal) people want. The only thing congress has accomplished in the last three years is they have helped the forein invaders.