Evaluating the season for the Gamecocks

[Kevhugh]

Based on what we assumed we had in talent at the beginning of the year I agreed with Coach Spurrier when he said that winning more than we lose would be a good season. I still agree with that, so I thought I'd post my thoughts on how it is going so far and encourage you all to do the same.

In order to win at least 6 games it appeared that we had to beat MSU, Wofford, FA, UK, Vandy, and Md Tn St. We've managed to win the first four and it still looks good for the other two. I feel confident that we should get to 6 wins with a tough win at Vandy and an easier one against Md Tn St.

In order to win seven games we need to do each of the following:

(1) Beat Vanderbilt.
(2) Beat Md Tn St.
(3) Beat either Arkansas, Tennessee, Florida, or Clemson (These will be huge tests for our team, and we'll probably be an underdog in all four).

I feel confident in accomplishing the first two but how we do against the 3rd parameter will define our season. Judging by this scenario the game against Vanderbilt could be make or break for our season. Losing that game would mean a long hard road to making a bowl game. We need to work extra hard in the bye week to ensure that we execute well against Vanderbilt.

If we accomplish all 3 of the above we will be at 7-5 heading into a bowl game. If we only accomplish 1 and 2 above we will be 6-6. No matter what our record is it will be important to post a bowl victory to keep the program moving in the right direction, but losing with a 6-6 record would mean a losing season at 6-7. That could leave a bitter taste heading into next season.

This is all speculation but it is what makes college football, particularly SEC football, so much fun. And of course, we could head into November and pull of two, three, and even four huge upsets. Right now I would consider 8-5 with a bowl win or 7-6 with a bowl win a good season. What do you guys think?

[Gamecocks4Ever]

but losing with a 6-6 record would mean a losing season at 6-7. That could leave a bitter taste heading into next season.


That's the main reason that I would typically be against going to a bowl at 6-6. However, with all the young guys we're playing, even though we risk going 6-7, I'm for a bowl just for the extra weeks of practice and extra game. Honestly, I wouldn't put it past Spurrier to decline a bid at 6-6. Obviously, it's a situation that he's never been faced with before. If he did, I believe that I'd support that decision.
That being said, even though Ark/Tenn/UF/Clem would be tough games, I've got to think we could pull off at least one of them. I think the offense clicked for the most part in the Auburn game, and if we could eliminate the red zone TO's, we'd be fine.
Right now, I'm worried about Vandy. It's a game I believe we should win if we play to our potential, but that's why they play the games. We won't just waltz in there and have them lay down for us.

[Lawdog]

I would be disappointed if we declined a bowl bid at 6-6.

Last year, we really got a ton of breaks to go 7-5. Luck and "smoke and mirrors" (as the critics have called it) won us several games. We could have easily been 4-7 or 5-6, and no bowl at all.

That's why, a 6-6 or 7-5 regular season would really be a bit of an improvement from last year. To me, that would mean we are headed in a positive direction. Then, next year, we will have some pretty high expectations.

Don't take this as settling for mediocrity....I'm not. Just explaining my perception of the trend as I see it.

[Gamecocks4Ever]

Don't take this as settling for mediocrity....I'm not. Just explaining my perception of the trend as I see it.

Haha....Spurrier has Gamecock Nation watching their P's and Q's when it comes to accepting mediocrity. :rofl:
I don't take it as settling. According to the NCAA, if you got 6-6, you have earned the right to bowl...so it's not really settling. Hopefully, this will be the last year we have to worry about it. Hopefully by early November, we won't be worrying about it.

[Lawdog]

Hopefully by early November, we won't be worrying about it.

Amen. This time last year, we never would have expected to beat both UT and UF. Who says we can't do it again? :thumpsup:

[TaySC]

I still say we have a very good shot at beating ARK for our 7th win.

[GamecockDieHard]

No way to know what will happen. I prefer to plan on winning out and meet some poor team in Atlanta, be ecstatic for winning the SEC and sit around feeling sorry for myself 'cause the Cocks didn't get a shot at Ohio St in the BCS, and lament the 2 teams that beat us, knowing in our hearts that if SN would have played Georgia, it would've been closer, and knowing that the Auburn game should have been a W. Of course, I could be "realistic" and hope we win 6...but....naaahhh, I like the other view better.

[Neo]

I would be disappointed if we declined a bowl bid at 6-6.

Last year, we really got a ton of breaks to go 7-5. Luck and "smoke and mirrors" (as the critics have called it) won us several games. We could have easily been 4-7 or 5-6, and no bowl at all.

That's why, a 6-6 or 7-5 regular season would really be a bit of an improvement from last year. To me, that would mean we are headed in a positive direction. Then, next year, we will have some pretty high expectations.

Don't take this as settling for mediocrity....I'm not. Just explaining my perception of the trend as I see it.



You hit the nail on the head. There's no way Spurrier will turn down a bowl bid regardless of our record. The extra practices and the media exposure will be worth it.

Among other things, starting a winning tradition begins with bowl eligibilty EVERY SINGLE YEAR. That's how traditions are started.

Our tradition is in it's infancy. These next few years is what's crucial to it's development.

[shanksta13]

I think that you guys can pull of 2 out of your "big 4". Not quite sure which two, but if I had to put money on it, I would say yall can beat Arkansas and Clemson. JMO but I think you guys can do it.

[Gamecocks4Ever]

I think that you guys can pull of 2 out of your "big 4". Not quite sure which two, but if I had to put money on it, I would say yall can beat Arkansas and Clemson. JMO but I think you guys can do it.

I could definitely deal with 8-4....assuming we win the games we should win in addition.

[uscrules]

I was at Kentucky the other night and after the game Spurrier would not even allow the team to greet the fans, myself included, and I am sure it was because of the finish that Kentucky put in. I agree that was a bad finish, however overall our team is looking better every week and you have to believe that after this layoff we will improve more. We have a very young team and each week is a giant step in their development. I think we play everybody close down the stretch. I don't want to predict victory, however if I were anybody left on our schedule, I would not feel too good about playing South Carolina.

[Lawdog]

Among other things, starting a winning tradition begins with bowl eligibilty EVERY SINGLE YEAR. That's how traditions are started.

I agree. Going to a bowl has a great effect on how everybody perceives your team and its season.

For example, most people forget that USC was bowl eligible in Holtz' last year. When the Clemson fight ensued, and both teams declined bowl bids, that just ruined the season. Although 2004 was not a great year by any means, not going to a bowl made the year seem that much worse. Had USC gone to a bowl in 2004, most people would remember that year (and probably HOLTZ as well) in a much better light.

[BubbaVol]

A 4-2 team looking at four future opponents with 3 combined losses to this point, and they have visions of going to a bowl. Now that's funny. I don't care who you are. Barely beat beat Kentucky (yes they are improved) and they think they have a legitimate shot. I can hear Colin Cowherd right now "Ricola ...... Rediculous ......

You SC fans make it so much fun to be a part of this board.

[BubbaVol]

Oh, BTW

Vandy is not a lock for you either.

[Neo]

A 3-3 team looking at four future opponents with 2 combined losses to this point, and they have visions of going to a bowl. Now that's funny. I don't care who you are. Barely beat beat Kentucky (yes they are improved) and they think they have a legitimate shot. I can hear Colin Cowherd right now "Ricola ...... Rediculous ......

You SC fans make it so much fun to be a part of this board.


So do you Bubba. Do you remember these photos?

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5299/spurrierownsjv9.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spurrierownsjv9.jpg)

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5897/tennbagheadshv5.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tennbagheadshv5.jpg)


BTW: We're 4-2. Not 3-3. Just thought you would like to know. :whistle:

[TaySC]

A 3-3 team looking at four future opponents with 2 combined losses to this point, and they have visions of going to a bowl. Now that's funny. I don't care who you are. Barely beat beat Kentucky (yes they are improved) and they think they have a legitimate shot. I can hear Colin Cowherd right now "Ricola ...... Rediculous ......

You SC fans make it so much fun to be a part of this board.

I think you might want to check your facts before you try to flame.......

[shanksta13]

A 3-3 team looking at four future opponents with 2 combined losses to this point, and they have visions of going to a bowl. Now that's funny. I don't care who you are. Barely beat beat Kentucky (yes they are improved) and they think they have a legitimate shot. I can hear Colin Cowherd right now "Ricola ...... Rediculous ......

You SC fans make it so much fun to be a part of this board.

Dude at least try to get your facts right before you try to tear a team down. I definitely wouldn't chalk up a win next to USC just yet. They seem to play up to their competition from what I have seen this year. 4-2 not 3-3 btw. Syvelle Newton could be a nightmare for yalls defense so I wouldn't go running off your fingers just yet...

[BubbaVol]

I edited my post I was too busy laughing to get all my facts straight. But please don't credit a close win against a train wreck team last year to SOS's coaching. The Vols were beaten by much inferior coaches than him last season.

So, enlighten me. What is it about this Cocks squad that we are missing? They just have not looked impressive to me. I'll admit I missed the Auburn game and I need clarification on the college rules to know if SC got screwed in that one or not. But 15-0 win over a terrible MSU, 18-0 loss to UGA (sspptt I've seen that #1 defense they have), touchdown advantage over the Wildcats, and some cupcake non-conference game. And out of all of this you see vast improvement. Or at least enough to give you confidence to beat one or more of the Hogs, Vols, Gators, or Tigers.

[DELTOR]

I edited my post I was too busy laughing to get all my facts straight. But please don't credit a close win against a train wreck team last year to SOS's coaching. The Vols were beaten by much inferior coaches than him last season.

So, enlighten me. What is it about this Cocks squad that we are missing? They just have not looked impressive to me. I'll admit I missed the Auburn game and I need clarification on the college rules to know if SC got screwed in that one or not. But 15-0 win over a terrible MSU, 18-0 loss to UGA (sspptt I've seen that #1 defense they have), touchdown advantage over the Wildcats, and some cupcake non-conference game. And out of all of this you see vast improvement. Or at least enough to give you confidence to beat one or more of the Hogs, Vols, Gators, or Tigers.
You're right. Maybe we should just forfeit those games since it is so comical and hilarious to think we have even the slightest chance. :dry: Imagine if we would've forfeited those games last season. 0-4 instead of 3-1 :wacko:

[TaySC]

Not sure who he is talking to, but the enlightment was you getting your facts straight. 4-2 is not the same as 3-3... maybe in your world, but not in mine.

Also, we have beaten the teams that we should have beaten and lost to the teams we were supposed to lose to... period.

We are right where we are supposed to be this year. I am not sure what is so hard for some to understand about this concept.

Both teams we lost to are highly ranked. TN had one good half of football and a few are acting like they won the National Championship. I already showed the final scores from every USC/TN game since 2001. What is so hard for you to understand that y'all almost always struggle with USC and to think it is a given that you won't this year is not only arrogant, but funny to me.

Maybe you will, maybe you won't, but I have also watched TN's games and besides the 2nd half of the UGA game, I haven't been that impressed either. Time will certainly tell and I hope your coaches have already put a W next to our name......

[shanksta13]

Not sure who he is talking to, but the enlightment was you getting your facts straight. 4-2 is not the same as 3-3... maybe in your world, but not in mine.

Also, we have beaten the teams that we should have beaten and lost to the teams we were supposed to lose to... period.

We are right where we are supposed to be this year. I am not sure what is so hard for some to understand about this concept.

Both teams we lost to are highly ranked. TN had one good half of football and a few are acting like they won the National Championship. I already showed the final scores from every USC/TN game since 2001. What is so hard for you to understand that y'all almost always struggle with USC and to think it is a given that you won't this year is not only arrogant, but funny to me.

Maybe you will, maybe you won't, but I have also watched TN's games and besides the 2nd half of the UGA game, I haven't been that impressed either. Time will certainly tell and I hope your coaches have already put a W next to our name......

I agree with most of your post. However, I have been pretty impressed with Ainge and Tennessee's receivers. They are good. Of course, now that I have defended Tennessee I'm sure I'm about to get nailed with about 42,351 posts about how I'm just saying that because we only beat them by 1. Have at it.

[Lawdog]

A 4-2 team looking at four future opponents with 3 combined losses to this point, and they have visions of going to a bowl. Now that's funny. I don't care who you are. Barely beat beat Kentucky (yes they are improved) and they think they have a legitimate shot. I can hear Colin Cowherd right now "Ricola ...... Rediculous ......

You SC fans make it so much fun to be a part of this board.

And how about UT barely beating....AIR FORCE... :ohmy:

[Lawdog]

Oh, BTW

Vandy is not a lock for you either.

Apparently Vandy wasn't much of a lock for UT last year, either..... :ohmy:

[shanksta13]

And how about UT barely beating....AIR FORCE... :ohmy:
Apparently Vandy wasn't much of a lock for UT last year, either..... :ohmy:


* Begin sound of crackling fire and enter smell of roasting flesh * :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[DIXIE'S PRIDE]

Bubba,

Cool your jets and read the post before making comments it will help your cause. I think I can speak for most when I say "Nobody cares what a espn radio guy from Nevada says about S.Carolina or any other team in the SEC.

[UTVOLINSIDER]

So do you Bubba. Do you remember these photos?

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5299/spurrierownsjv9.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spurrierownsjv9.jpg)

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5897/tennbagheadshv5.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tennbagheadshv5.jpg)


BTW: We're 4-2. Not 3-3. Just thought you would like to know. :whistle:
I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR POST AND THINKING......DOES HE KNOW WE NEEDED THAT LOSING SEASON! IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO UT IN SEVERAL YEARS. A COACHING CHANGE AND RE-EVALUATE OUR GOLES AND STAFF. MAY TURN OUT TO BE THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED FOR THE REST OF THE EAST. THE TURN-AROUND THESE KIDS HAVE MADE IN A FEW SHORT MONTHS....WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID LET ME SAY THIS...IF U THINK THAT SPURRIERIS THE SAVIOR FOR USC YOU DEAD WRONG. I THINK OVER THE YEARS SC HAS HAD SOME GOOD TEAMS AND SOME GOOD COACHES...DO U AGREE?
YOU HAVE ALSO HAD SOME AWFULL TEAMS 0-11 HOW MANY LOSING SEASONS IN THE PAST 20 YEARS. SPURRIER WILL NOT STAND FOR THAT LONG. GETTING THE TOP KIDS IN THAT PROGRAM WILL BE HARD EVEN WITH SPURRIER. WHEN U ADD IN THE TOP TEAMS AROUND TRYING FOR THE SAME KIDS ITS TOUGH. HE WILL GET SOME BALL PLAYERS AT SC. BUT CAN HE GET ENOUGH TO WIN YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. AT FL IT WAS EASY. MORE D-1 KIDS COME FROM THAT STATE THAN ANYWHERE..ITS TOUGH TO GET THEM OUT OF FL TOO. TN HAS HAD MANY YEARS OF WORK TO BUILD WHAT THEY HAVE NOW,TAKE AWAY LAST YEAR AND SC WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE RECORD WE HAVE. FULMER IS STILL THE WINNINGEST COACH WITH 10 YEARS OR MORE THAT INCLUDES SPURRIER. SO WATCH THOSE CHICKENS SOMETIMES WHEN THEY HATCH THERE DEAD. THANKS FOR REMINDING US UT FANS OF LAST YEAR I AM SURE THE TEAM HAS NOT FORGOT. MIGHT HANG 50 ON U IN A FEW WEEKS!
GO VOLS!

[Williams-Brice]

A 4-2 team looking at four future opponents with 3 combined losses to this point, and they have visions of going to a bowl. Now that's funny. I don't care who you are. Barely beat beat Kentucky (yes they are improved) and they think they have a legitimate shot. I can hear Colin Cowherd right now "Ricola ...... Rediculous ......

You SC fans make it so much fun to be a part of this board.

1. You do realize that we have to beat Vandy and MTSU to become bowl eligible, right?

2. Tennessee barely beats Kentucky every year.

3. Spurrier owns Fulmer.

[Williams-Brice]

Oh, BTW

Vandy is not a lock for you either.

Yeah, how'd that work out for y'all last year . . . at home? Of course Vandy is not a lock. You'd know just as much as anyone.

[Williams-Brice]

I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR POST AND THINKING......DOES HE KNOW WE NEEDED THAT LOSING SEASON! IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO UT IN SEVERAL YEARS. A COACHING CHANGE AND RE-EVALUATE OUR GOLES AND STAFF. MAY TURN OUT TO BE THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED FOR THE REST OF THE EAST. THE TURN-AROUND THESE KIDS HAVE MADE IN A FEW SHORT MONTHS....WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID LET ME SAY THIS...IF U THINK THAT SPURRIERIS THE SAVIOR FOR USC YOU DEAD WRONG. I THINK OVER THE YEARS SC HAS HAD SOME GOOD TEAMS AND SOME GOOD COACHES...DO U AGREE?
YOU HAVE ALSO HAD SOME AWFULL TEAMS 0-11 HOW MANY LOSING SEASONS IN THE PAST 20 YEARS. SPURRIER WILL NOT STAND FOR THAT LONG. GETTING THE TOP KIDS IN THAT PROGRAM WILL BE HARD EVEN WITH SPURRIER. WHEN U ADD IN THE TOP TEAMS AROUND TRYING FOR THE SAME KIDS ITS TOUGH. HE WILL GET SOME BALL PLAYERS AT SC. BUT CAN HE GET ENOUGH TO WIN YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. AT FL IT WAS EASY. MORE D-1 KIDS COME FROM THAT STATE THAN ANYWHERE..ITS TOUGH TO GET THEM OUT OF FL TOO. TN HAS HAD MANY YEARS OF WORK TO BUILD WHAT THEY HAVE NOW,TAKE AWAY LAST YEAR AND SC WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE RECORD WE HAVE. FULMER IS STILL THE WINNINGEST COACH WITH 10 YEARS OR MORE THAT INCLUDES SPURRIER. SO WATCH THOSE CHICKENS SOMETIMES WHEN THEY HATCH THERE DEAD. THANKS FOR REMINDING US UT FANS OF LAST YEAR I AM SURE THE TEAM HAS NOT FORGOT. MIGHT HANG 50 ON U IN A FEW WEEKS!
GO VOLS!

MAYBE I CAN GET MY POINT ACROSS IF I TYPE IN ALL CAPS WITH GRAMMATICAL ERRORS. Nah, I don't have to. I can get my points across by using objectivity.

1. Yes, losing seasons are always what the doctor ordered. Getting beat by Vandy at home and staying home for the holidays always helps in the recruiting wars. Maybe that's how Tennessee got outrecruited by every major school in the SEC this past year.

2. Yep, USC has had some good teams and some good coaches over the years. However, none of them are as good as Spurrier. Steve actually knows what he is doing. He's not spending the offseason in Florida like Lou did. Steve is righting the ship.

3. Yeah, we've had plenty of losing seasons, but we've always played Tennessee close since 2000. I wouldn't chalk us up as a gimme. That is unless you want to be subjective, not objective.

4. I don't see where you're going with the "Spurrier won't stand for losing long" statement. Of course he won't. We had a winning record last year, we have a winning record now, and we'll finish with a winning record when all is said and done. By the way, Spurrier just donated $250,000 to the USC facilities fund. As much as you hate it, he's here to stay.

5. You clearly don't keep up with recruiting. USC signed a solid class last year, and the class this year will be the highest rated class in Carolina history. Meanwhile, Tennessee signed 22 players last year. Three didn't qualify, and three were kicked out of school before the season began. You can't build a program when you bring in 15 guys in a year. Ask any team that's been on probation.

6. Spurrier is getting his fair share out of Florida. Once again, it's obvious that you don't keep up with recruiting. Sit back and watch.

6. Fulmer may be the winningest coach in the SEC, but what's his record against Spurrier? Steve took his inferior team into Knoxville last year and beat a team that should have run us into the ground. I don't see why this year should be any different. Fat Phil, the evil little snake, can't beat Spurrier. Steve knows it. The orange marshmellow knows it. Tennessee fans know it. Just be prepared to put the man back on the hot seat.

7. Sit, Boo Boo, sit.

[Neo]

I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR POST AND THINKING......DOES HE KNOW WE NEEDED THAT LOSING SEASON! IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO UT IN SEVERAL YEARS.




The season isn't over yet. You had better watch that arrogance. You saw where it got LawDawg this week. Arrogance brings only disappointment. :mellow:




A COACHING CHANGE AND RE-EVALUATE OUR GOLES AND STAFF. MAY TURN OUT TO BE THE WORST THING THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED FOR THE REST OF THE EAST.




Oh please! Spare us the speech man. It's almost like watching a telethon. :blink:





IF U THINK THAT SPURRIERIS THE SAVIOR FOR USC YOU DEAD WRONG. I THINK OVER THE YEARS SC HAS HAD SOME GOOD TEAMS AND SOME GOOD COACHES...DO U AGREE?




I cannot believe you're talking about the very coach that's own Fulmer since day 1. As for the other USC coaches, other than Holtz and Morrison, I would have to say no.





YOU HAVE ALSO HAD SOME AWFULL TEAMS 0-11 HOW MANY LOSING SEASONS IN THE PAST 20 YEARS. SPURRIER WILL NOT STAND FOR THAT LONG.



I don't get what you're saying. First you say Spurrier won't turn the corner at USC and now you say that he will not tolerate losing? Aren't you contradicting yourself there? :wacko:





GETTING THE TOP KIDS IN THAT PROGRAM WILL BE HARD EVEN WITH SPURRIER. WHEN U ADD IN THE TOP TEAMS AROUND TRYING FOR THE SAME KIDS ITS TOUGH.





Recruiting is tough, but no tougher than it already is. The fact is, USC will get their fair share of top-tier players. Hell, right now we're slowly closing the gap with our instate recruiting. Have you by any chance seen our commitment list so far? Two RivalsTop100 athletes and one Top250 athlete. Not too shabby considering what you had to say about us not getting any of the top "kids". Maybe you should do your research before posting something. Better yet, I'll post the link for you.

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?Year=2007&School=69

Since we're discussing recruiting classes, let's look at the rankings over the last, five years.

2006: 24th (#1 OL Class in the nation.)
2005: 23rd
2004: 35th
2003: 8th
2002: 11th

For the 2006 class, we signed the #8 ranked QB Chris Smelley who by the way turned down UT & UA for USC. For 2007, we have the #3 ranked QB Stephen Garcia. I could go on, but I'm going to let you do that homework.





HE WILL GET SOME BALL PLAYERS AT SC. BUT CAN HE GET ENOUGH TO WIN YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT.





At the rate he's going, I would have to say yes. Just look at some of our commitments over the last two or so years and that answers that question.






AT FL IT WAS EASY. MORE D-1 KIDS COME FROM THAT STATE THAN ANYWHERE..ITS TOUGH TO GET THEM OUT OF FL TOO.





No it's not. In 2005, out of 28 total signees, 8 were from Florida. In 2006, out of 24 signees, 4 were from Florida. Let's look at the other states that we have recruited out of;

Georgia: 13
SC: 15
NC: 8
TN: 2
FL: 12
AL: 4

That's not all the states, but it gives you an idea. Whatever we don't get from FL, we just go and clean up the state of GA.





FULMER IS STILL THE WINNINGEST COACH WITH 10 YEARS OR MORE THAT INCLUDES SPURRIER.




It's not that simple. Spurrier has coached 202 games. Fulmer has coached 171 games. So you see, while it may appear that Fulmer may have a VERY slight lead in the winning percentage department, Spurrier has coached 31 more games.

Fulmer: 133-38-0
Spurrier: 153-47-2

What we need here is someone to figure out their winning percentages so we can get this right.



SO WATCH THOSE CHICKENS SOMETIMES WHEN THEY HATCH THERE DEAD. THANKS FOR REMINDING US UT FANS OF LAST YEAR I AM SURE THE TEAM HAS NOT FORGOT. MIGHT HANG 50 ON U IN A FEW WEEKS!
GO VOLS!



Question, when was the last time UT scored 50 or more against USC? Do you have any idea?

Answer: 1995. (A whopping 11 years ago.)

Let's look at the history of the meetings at Columbia within this century.

2004: UT 43 USC 29
2002: UT 18 USC 10
2000: UT 20 USC 17

Now please tell me where you get this "50" from? If you had any type of understanding of the game, you would know that USC always plays UT close.

In closing, I'm going to say this. Counting last year, Spurrier is now 10-5-0 against Tennessee and as USC's coach, he's 1-0.

Remember, you can't spell Citrus without UT. :laugh: :happy:

[justin16]

oh jesus. to the other vol fans, i'm with you, and no offense, but you're kind of embarassing right now, so why don't we just shut the hell up with all this retarded trash talking. SC has looked better recently, even though they haven't lived up to my expectations of what i thought they'd be this year. they will get better, mark my words. spurrier is one of the best cfb coaches of all time. to the people saying spurrier owns fulmer, you do realize that fulmer doesn't actually do that much as far as calling plays goes. he's basically a politician, like most head coaches at big schools are. just cuz the vols couldn't beat florida, who was amazing in the 90s, back then, doesn't mean all that much now. and last year, i will admit it, we sucked. that game against SC we should have one if it wasn't for stupid turnovers and horrible offensive efficiency. thankfully, we're much better on offense now, so things like that shouldn't happen too much anymore. look it's the SEC and i have a positive view of just about every team, plus the game's like 3 weeks away so can't we all just put on hold all the hatred for just a little bit longer.....
I have also watched TN's games and besides the 2nd half of the UGA game, I haven't been that impressed either. Time will certainly tell and I hope your coaches have already put a W next to our name......
cmon give the vols credit. i've been very impressed with every game so far, with a small exception to the florida game.
And how about UT barely beating....AIR FORCE... :ohmy:
air force runs the wishbone offense, something SEC teams rarely see. also, it was early in the season and the defense wasn't as experienced. regardless, a win is a win, and we looked very good offensively. defensively? no, but there are legitimate excuses for why we might not have been able to handle their offense that well.
Apparently Vandy wasn't much of a lock for UT last year, either..... :ohmy:
last year, buddy, last year. tn this year is lightyears ahead of that mess we had last year.

[Williams-Brice]

to the people saying spurrier owns fulmer, you do realize that fulmer doesn't actually do that much as far as calling plays goes. he's basically a politician, like most head coaches at big schools are.

How does that make his situation against Spurrier any more favorable? So Fulmer shouldn't be held accountable for not being able to beat Spurrier? We can give him credit for all of his wins, but we shouldn't hold him accountable for his losses to Spurrier? Afterall, it's his team. Why should we blame him? Your comment here is pretty ridiculous.

[GAMECOCKBOY]

it must be something in the water in tennesse..all these vols fans coming on our thread talking trash....this thread is talking about south carolina we arent talking about the vols...so bubba and the rest of your boys go back in hiding where ya'll come from....u come on here talking trash b/c ya'll r winning ...u weren't here before the season started talking all this trash...

[SPURED]

air force runs the wishbone offense, something SEC teams rarely see. also, it was early in the season and the defense wasn't as experienced. regardless, a win is a win, and we looked very good offensively. defensively? no, but there are legitimate excuses for why we might not have been able to handle their offense that well.


Similar to our GameCocks almost losing to Wofford. Air Force and Wofford run very unique offenses and both offenses are very affective if they are run with precision and Discipline.

now back to the way our season is going. in my oppinion it is going just the way i thought it would. however im still dissapointed in our lack of the killer instinct. i thought we would be able to start putting away these lesser opponents early on but we havnt been able to do it yet.

Offense- B
the Oline is getting better but it is still holding us back a little.

Defense- C
better than last year but we still cant stop anyone on 3rd down

Special Teams- C
would be lower if not For Succop

Coaching- B+
the coaching staff is doing a very good job developing our young team and they are all improving every week. the move of Newton to QB was Brilliant.

Overall- B
i gave them a B overall because they are exactly where i thought they would be and the team is improving every week. they exceeded my expectations against Auburn and the Defense has actually exceeded my expectations as well. at the end of the year if we win 8 games this grade will be an A.

[UTVOLINSIDER]

Ok, i will give u the record vs Fulmer, where are these great players at. Most 3 to 5 star kids see very little playing time. Check that out! You will find that the rating of classes suck! what about TN last year? we always do well! what about miami/fl state they get plent 3-5 star kids. If sc is getting the kids out of ga why cant u beat ga(if you getting the kids they want)And u are correct I dont follow the recruiting of these kids close. I think that u can tell a kid how great he is, that does not mean he will make it. check something at TN/FL/GA/MIAMI/FSU. Go back 4 years and see just how many of the kids taken then are on the field now. VERY FEW! for the most part its luck, some kids never make it. And some u think that wont become the best players on the team. Now if you look at sc 4 years ago and this is a guess i would bet that several of the kids taken then are on the field today. Hey when u have too, you play what u got.
You can put up the #'s from 2000 foward if you want, If you look at the stats for TN you will see a decline due to a very weak O. our time of poss was 5 mins or so to the bad for the D(on average) our rushing yards -2001 season have been in decline.
U can say what u want about sc beating us last year. That and Vandy is what broke the camels back! We made a change and it shows.
He smelled blood in the water last year and took advantage of it! Good for him! If he can put togather a winning program he will be the 1st!
What I have enjoyed about the trips to SC has always been that most of U dont expect to win U just want to tailgate! See U near the Farmers market in a few weeks!
GO VOLS!

[Williams-Brice]

Ok, i will give u the record vs Fulmer, where are these great players at. Most 3 to 5 star kids see very little playing time. Check that out! You will find that the rating of classes suck! what about TN last year? we always do well! what about miami/fl state they get plent 3-5 star kids. If sc is getting the kids out of ga why cant u beat ga(if you getting the kids they want)And u are correct I dont follow the recruiting of these kids close. I think that u can tell a kid how great he is, that does not mean he will make it. check something at TN/FL/GA/MIAMI/FSU. Go back 4 years and see just how many of the kids taken then are on the field now. VERY FEW! for the most part its luck, some kids never make it. And some u think that wont become the best players on the team. Now if you look at sc 4 years ago and this is a guess i would bet that several of the kids taken then are on the field today. Hey when u have too, you play what u got.
You can put up the #'s from 2000 foward if you want, If you look at the stats for TN you will see a decline due to a very weak O. our time of poss was 5 mins or so to the bad for the D(on average) our rushing yards -2001 season have been in decline.
U can say what u want about sc beating us last year. That and Vandy is what broke the camels back! We made a change and it shows.
He smelled blood in the water last year and took advantage of it! Good for him! If he can put togather a winning program he will be the 1st!
What I have enjoyed about the trips to SC has always been that most of U dont expect to win U just want to tailgate! See U near the Farmers market in a few weeks!
GO VOLS!

A combination of ignorance, arrogance, and poor grammar is really hard to understand. I don't follow about 75% of the English language you just butchered.

When you admitted that you don't keep up with recruiting, you should have just stopped right there. You're walking into an unfavorable situation when you bring up recruiting with people like NEO, GatorHunter, and me. If there's anything we're sure of, that's it. You're rant on the subject of recruiting made you sound like you have a 3rd grader's knowledge of the subject to couple your 3rd grade writing skills.

Most 3 to 5-star players don't see playing time? Wow. The ignorance in that statement is amazing. Then you go on to talk about how we are playing all of the guys we signed four years ago. Where were you when Spurrier kicked off nearly all of the upperclassmen last year? We've had as much attrition in recent years as everyone else. Also, we're starting two seniors on offense (Syvelle Newton, Thomas Coleman [a former walk-on], and Chris White) and one on defense (Fred Bennett). So where are all the guys from the recruiting class four years ago? Once again, you're ignorant on the subject, so don't try to comment on it.

Just a quick lesson in spelling: Going back to your post when you tried to yell, "GOLES" should have been "GOALS". Currently, "togather" should be "together". Using traditional English usually helps in getting your point across, regardless of how ignorant the point may be.

Sit, Boo Boo, sit.

[Neo]

Welcome to remedial football..... :blink:



Ok, i will give u the record vs Fulmer



You have no choice in the matter. He's 10-5-0 vs. Fulmer all time and is 1-0-0 against UT as USC's coach. Deal with it.




where are these great players at. Most 3 to 5 star kids see very little playing time.




Do you know how idiotic that sounds? 5-Star kids seeing little playing time? Lay off the drugs man. Geez... Since you wanna know where these great players are at, well heres a few for ya that are on the team. I'm not going to mention any of the 1st round draft picks in the last few years. :whistle: Just Spurrier's recruits.


2005

Mike Davis: #22 3-star TB
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=26297

Kenny McKinley: #57 3-Star WR
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=26495

Ryan Succop: #5 3-Star K
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=30770

OJ Murdock: #10 4-Star WR (RivalsTop100)
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=28194

Carlos Thomas: #9 4-star WR/DB (RivalsTop100)
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=28931

2006

Garrett Anderson: #8 4-Star OL (RivalsTop250)
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=39445

Hutch Eckerson: #21 4-Star OL
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=40672

Kenrick Ellis: #12 4-Star DT (RivalsTop250)
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=36319

Chris Smelley: #8 4-Star QB (RivalsTop250)
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=34900

Kevin Young: #20 4-Star OL
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=33429

2007

Quintin Richardson: #5 4-Star OL (RivalsTop100)
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=47003

Travian Robertson: #9 4-Star DE (RivalsTop100)
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=43458

Brian Maddox: #15 4-Star TB (RivalsTop250)
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=47529


Now, remind me again why you said that USC couldn't attract the top tier athletes?




Check that out! You will find that the rating of classes suck!



You only say that because UT bombed in their recruiting class last year. Don't try to have your cake and eat it too. Wrong move chief.




what about TN last year? we always do well! what about miami/fl state they get plent 3-5 star kids. If sc is getting the kids out of ga why cant u beat ga(if you getting the kids they want)




Obviously, trying to explain this to you is like trying to call a blind man out for being a peeping tom. If you don't know anything about recruiting, then quit trying to understand it. USC is getting their fair share of top-tier players as I have shown you above.





And u are correct I dont follow the recruiting of these kids close. I think that u can tell a kid how great he is, that does not mean he will make it.




I can tell you don't. Part of what you said is true, but the more top-tier players you sign, the better off you will be.





Go back 4 years and see just how many of the kids taken then are on the field now. VERY FEW! for the most part its luck, some kids never make it.


Well, let's analyze that for a moment. In 2005, USC signed 28 recruits and out of those 28, ALL 28 qualified and enrolled. In 2006, Spurrier signed 24 recruits and out of those, 23 qualified and enrolled. So you see, by going after kids that don't have academic issues to begin with will pay dividends in the long run.




U can say what u want about sc beating us last year. That and Vandy is what broke the camels back! We made a change and it shows.


I don't have to say anything. The stats say enough. You of all people need to learn some humility. We beat yall in YOUR house and then you have the gall to come here and talk smack? :blink: You've got guts.




What I have enjoyed about the trips to SC has always been that most of U dont expect to win U just want to tailgate! See U near the Farmers market in a few weeks!
GO VOLS!



Screw you man. Your feeble attempt at an insult was, how should I say...Classless. We'll see later this month who's the better team when you come to Columbia. Good luck, because you're gonna need it. :angry:

[Neo]

Damn WB!

We're like Batman and Robin on this subject. We're seeing eye to eye on almost everything! :ohmy: :happy:


Of course, I'm Batman and you're Robin. :laugh:

[TaySC]

Too freakin' funny......

These arrogant TN fans discount last season as if it doesn't matter and instead play it off by saying it was a wake up call that forced them to make changes.....

If your Head Coach is so dumb that it takes a "wakeup call" to get him to win, then he has serious issues to start with. It is his JOB to win football games. What happened? He fell asleep behind the wheel, got his butt spanked and now he is all of a sudden the best coach in college football once again? Don't think so..... he is probably the 4th best coach in the SEC East.

If USC loses this year against TN, remind me next year at this time.... I think I will use the same lame excuse about how it was what we needed. :whistle:

As I stated in my first post on this thread, I am not guaranteeing that we beat the Vols, but I sure know I wouldn't be so arrogant when it comes to USC if I were a Vols fan. I would think that the close games over the years, the fact of losing to USC last season, the fact that Spurrier does "own" fat fulmer, etc., would be enough to cause a little caution when looking at this game, but whatever floats your boat.

BTW, none of us knows how many points either team wil score in that game, but it is amazing that TN scores 51 points in ONE game and now a few irrational fans are predicting it against everyone. :D

[fernandomike]

This is college football played by 18-23 year olds with huge swings in momentum evident in many games. There are no guarantees, especially in this league. I'm sure that our players understand that and take nothing for granted, especially after last season.

[TaySC]

This is college football played by 18-23 year olds with huge swings in momentum evident in many games. There are no guarantees, especially in this league. I'm sure that our players understand that and take nothing for granted, especially after last season.

THAT I think we can all agree on.

These kids can go from looking like world beaters one w/e to looking like the bad news bears of football the next.

USC is very young and much more suspect to needing confidence and momentum than some other teams are. We really don't know from one w/e to the next which version of the Gamecocks will show up, but I am confident in Steve and think we will be fine.

[Williams-Brice]

Thank you, fernandomike. You get it. Each week is different. Who would have thought someone would put up 51 on Georiga? Who would have thought Arkansas would dominate at Auburn?

You're players may understand it, and can promise you that our players understand it. After this past week, how could they not? It's going to be a barnburner at the end of the month.

[TaySC]

Thank you, fernandomike. You get it. Each week is different. Who would have thought someone would put up 51 on Georiga? Who would have thought Arkansas would dominate at Auburn?

You're players may understand it, and can promise you that our players understand it. After this past week, how could they not? It's going to be a barnburner at the end of the month.

Exactly.

As the old saying goes, "that's why they play the games."

I bet UGA and TN could play 10 games this year and neither team would hit 50 again.

You really don't ever know what will happen and how the teams will perform after the game gets started.

[scunyon]

Dang, Fernando, haven't seen you in a minute!

[BubbaVol]

Well if ya'll burn barns after losses in Columbia then I guess there will be a barn burner at the end of the month. I would also suspect that ya'll might be running low on how many more barns you have left to burn.

Neo, there's no reason to show a record as 1-0-0. We no longer have ties. I understand that teams coached by Spurrier have won more often than not against UT. But once the Vols started to win against him he took his ball and went to the NFL for a while.

Now let's address Vandy. It's as close to a lock as it gets. You have to lose to them once every 20 years or so to keep them playing. SC on the other hand is a little more high maintenance. We have to let them win once every 10 years or so.

Recruiting is up at SC. Yes by you're standards. But don't dog the Vols for bringing a top 22 class once in a while. You're list of top prospects is rather short and doesn't include 5 star guys, so don't blow you're load over it.

The records over the past few years just remind me of a few things.
1 plenty of motivation to atone for last years loss.
2 last time we played at you're house the O put up 43. This years O is way improved.
3 Georgia has a coach that owned Fulmer. Kinda like You say you have.
4 Georgia beat us at home last year too. We beat Georgia the year before on their field.

[Williams-Brice]

But don't dog the Vols for bringing a top 22 class once in a while.

Tennessee didn't bring in a Top 22 class. Rivals has not updated their rankings from last year. At some point, they'll re-rank the teams based on who didn't qualify and who didn't make it to the season. When all was said and done, Tennessee brought in 15 kids this year. You won't find them in the Top 35 when the rankings are finalized.

[Neo]

Neo, there's no reason to show a record as 1-0-0. We no longer have ties. I understand that teams coached by Spurrier have won more often than not against UT. But once the Vols started to win against him he took his ball and went to the NFL for a while.



I was being technical. I know that there isn't ties anymore. As for Spurrier bolting for the NFL, well after stomping the snot outta everyone in the SEC, I believe he wanted a new challenge. So don't even try to say it was because of Fulmer. That's a case of sour grapes my friend.



Now let's address Vandy. It's as close to a lock as it gets. You have to lose to them once every 20 years or so to keep them playing. SC on the other hand is a little more high maintenance. We have to let them win once every 10 years or so.



Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really sad that you just cannot accept the fact that BOTH Vandy and USC beat the Vols last year.




Recruiting is up at SC. Yes by you're standards. But don't dog the Vols for bringing a top 22 class once in a while. You're list of top prospects is rather short and doesn't include 5 star guys, so don't blow you're load over it.



That's not by my standards. That's by the industry's standards so to speak. Remember it was an uninformed UT fan that said USC couldn't get their fair share of the top-tier athletes and that USC's recruiting sucked. I was showing otherwise. Hmmmmm. Let me clue you in on something Bubba, in case you haven't noticed, every year there's only a handful of 5-Star athletes. Usually around 7-8 players. Even though USC has gotten roughly 6+ RivalsTop250 or better since Spurrier's been here, it just makes you look ignorant when you say "Don't blow your load" over it. If it were UT that got these kids, you would be throwing it in our faces. (Did you notice those kids profiles? Most of them turned down UT for USC.) Hmmmmmmm. Sour grapes?

As for UT getting a Top-22 recruiting class last year? I think you better look again. UT finished with a 23rd ranked recruiting class. I know that's splitting hairs, but your whole post has been off the mark and this just reaffirms it. Also what WB said is true. After all is said and done, UT will be lucky to be ranked in the Top-35.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/teamrank.asp?Year=2006&Page=1&Type=0&Sort=0

[Wizard of Orange]

Three comments:
1. Isn't it interesting that some Cock fans ( NEO), want to dismiss the things that TN ( Fulmer) and SC have accomplished historically as past history and non-relevant . " Let's just talk about last year"
BUT, are so hung up on Spurrier's record against Fulmer during ( primarily ) the decade of the 90s?

2. I expect to get SC's best shot at Wms-Brc and am not overlooking them or anyone else at this point. In fact, I believe that that is one of the biggest changes that I've seen in our teams attitude this year - take nothing for granted.

3. Whenever a team base is accused of trash-talking - it is SC guys doing the accusing , but its always the others guys fault and they ( MSU, GA,AU, TN) started it. Interesting that the Cocks are in the middle of every flare up , but are constantly claiming to be innocent victims of an attack.

[roosterbooster]

A 4-2 team looking at four future opponents with 3 combined losses to this point, and they have visions of going to a bowl. Now that's funny. I don't care who you are. Barely beat beat Kentucky (yes they are improved) and they think they have a legitimate shot. I can hear Colin Cowherd right now "Ricola ...... Rediculous ......

You SC fans make it so much fun to be a part of this board.

At least we didn't lose to Vandy last year. By the way it is redundant to use Bubba and Vol.

[roosterbooster]

3. Whenever a team base is accused of trash-talking - it is SC guys doing the accusing , but its always the others guys fault and they ( MSU, GA,AU, TN) started it. Interesting that the Cocks are in the middle of every flare up , but are constantly claiming to be innocent victims of an attack.

Would you mind back tracking and show me where the argument began and then revisit the above statement.

[Lawdog]

Do we need a group hug, guys?

"Can't we all just get along????" :laugh: :laugh:

[Wizard of Orange]

Would you mind back tracking and show me where the argument began and then revisit the above statement.
I'm not denying that BV needled first out of no where. It happens a hundred times a week on this board. Most other groups needle back a little or laugh it off. Its just that nothing seems to turn as ugly as when SC guys are involved.
The oddest part of it all is that I work and live in amongst Gamecock fans every day. Most of my closest friends are 'Cocks or Clemson fans. None of them are as thin - skinned as a handfull of you are on this board.

I guess we all do have to give you ( yes even , NEO, ) credit for making things lively, though.

[Neo]

Three comments:
1. Isn't it interesting that some Cock fans ( NEO), want to dismiss the things that TN ( Fulmer) and SC have accomplished historically as past history and non-relevant . " Let's just talk about last year"
BUT, are so hung up on Spurrier's record against Fulmer during ( primarily ) the decade of the 90s?



C'mon Wizard. Are you really that naive or did you have to work on it? Noone is saying that we "Don't" count Fulmer's history. What I am disputing is the fact that a few Vol fans here are saying that Spurrier went to the NFL because UT was close to beating FL on a regular basis and I called BS on that.




2. I expect to get SC's best shot at Wms-Brc and am not overlooking them or anyone else at this point. In fact, I believe that that is one of the biggest changes that I've seen in our teams attitude this year - take nothing for granted.



Tell that to Bubba and the other Vol fan in this thread. They way they're talking, USC shouldn't even show up to the game. Given the closeness of the series over the last few years, nothing is a gimmie. That's all we're saying.




3. Whenever a team base is accused of trash-talking - it is SC guys doing the accusing , but its always the others guys fault and they ( MSU, GA,AU, TN) started it. Interesting that the Cocks are in the middle of every flare up , but are constantly claiming to be innocent victims of an attack.




Please point out to me where a USC fan started this tirade? If I'm not mistaken, it was BUBBA that started this with his crass-a$$/ignorant posts. Then that other VOL poster tried to play clean-up.

Read the thread from post one. Then ask yourself if a USC fan started this? What it boils down to is that even though USC won last year against UT, some people still have the gall to come onto this thread and disrespect us.

[Wizard of Orange]

As for point #1, the tide was starting to turn on the Spurrier- Fulmer rivalry when Spurs jumped ship. From a Vol point of view, we are saying " Oh, yeah, let's see how much Smack gets talked in the next couple of Years" and then St. Steve leaves. Do I think that Steve went NFL because he feared TN? No , probably never consciously entered his mind. But I do think that he had already accomplished whatever he could at Fla and saw no way to improve his status any more. He could only maintain or lose such status.

Point #2 Bubba and other Vol, We cannot overlook SC or Vandy or Kentucky or anyone else.

Point #3 Already addressed that above.

But, NEO, am I dreaming or do the nastiest mud-slingings always involve SC guys?

[roosterbooster]

As for point #1, the tide was starting to turn on the Spurrier- Fulmer rivalry when Spurs jumped ship. From a Vol point of view, we are saying " Oh, yeah, let's see how much Smack gets talked in the next couple of Years" and then St. Steve leaves. Do I think that Steve went NFL because he feared TN? No , probably never consciously entered his mind. But I do think that he had already accomplished whatever he could at Fla and saw no way to improve his status any more. He could only maintain or lose such status.


Come on Neo, you have to face the truth. Spurrier was in the midst of a tie for his longest losing streak ever to Phil Fulmer. ONE GAME!!!!!

[Wizard of Orange]

And, one other thing.... back to the original point of this thread. Not only do I hope SC goes bowling, I fully expect them to. That's part of being a fan of SEC FB.
Even if you go 6 and 6, and that's your worse case scenario in my book - all six losses would be to teams likely ranked in the top 25. or even top 20.
If you get 7 Ws and a bowl win I look for you to be ranked in the final polls.

[Neo]

NEO, am I dreaming or do the nastiest mud-slingings always involve SC guys?



Usually because everyone seems to think that USC is their punching bag. USC hasn't exactly set SEC records in the wins department and that makes us an easy target, but to jab at us without provocation is what ticks us off. Face it, we're not UK or Vandy. We can play with the best.

USC has enjoyed sporatic success over the years and now we have more reason then ever to believe that we will enjoy more regular success than ever before.

This final statement isn't directed at you....

Put simply, don't write us off even though we won our fair share of games last year. Every year it's some kind of excuse as to losing to us. Both UF and UT got outplayed and out coached. It's as simple as that.

The fact is USC is here to stay and we're here to win.

[Wizard of Orange]

Usually because everyone seems to think that USC is their punching bag. USC hasn't exactly set SEC records in the wins department and that makes us an easy target, but to jab at us without provocation what ticks us off.

USC has enjoyed sporatic success over the years and now we have more reason then ever to believe that we will enjoy more regular success than ever before.

This final statement isn't directed at you....

Put simply, don't write us off even though we won our fair share of games last year. Every year it's some kind of excuse as to losing to us. Both UF and UT got outplayed and out coached. It's as simple as that.

The fact is USC is here to stay and we're here to win.
Well said.... But we're still gonna beat you :laugh:

[GAMECOCKBOY]

Well said.... But we're still gonna beat you :laugh:
u better hope u beat us or u will have another hard year or living in this state....

[GAMECOCKBOY]

Usually because everyone seems to think that USC is their punching bag. USC hasn't exactly set SEC records in the wins department and that makes us an easy target, but to jab at us without provocation is what ticks us off. Face it, we're not UK or Vandy. We can play with the best.

USC has enjoyed sporatic success over the years and now we have more reason then ever to believe that we will enjoy more regular success than ever before.

This final statement isn't directed at you....

Put simply, don't write us off even though we won our fair share of games last year. Every year it's some kind of excuse as to losing to us. Both UF and UT got outplayed and out coached. It's as simple as that.

The fact is USC is here to stay and we're here to win.

very well said and i totally agree with this...people think they can say anything about little ole south carolina and we won't stand our ground....well they r wrong and are in for a ruied wakening....

[SHOCKTOP]

Be careful, that last post sounded like that BamaNate guy, LOL!

[roosterbooster]

very well said and i totally agree with this...people think they can say anything about little ole south carolina and we won't stand our ground....well they r wrong and are in for a ruied wakening....

If you can't read this, thank a teacher.

[Wizard of Orange]

u better hope u beat us or u will have another hard year or living in this state....
:brick: I can't take another year of this!!! :brick: ...and I hope we get to play that Danny Ford lovin bunch from ClemPson in a bowl, too :ohmy:

[TaySC]

I'm not denying that BV needled first out of no where. It happens a hundred times a week on this board. Most other groups needle back a little or laugh it off. Its just that nothing seems to turn as ugly as when SC guys are involved.
The oddest part of it all is that I work and live in amongst Gamecock fans every day. Most of my closest friends are 'Cocks or Clemson fans. None of them are as thin - skinned as a handfull of you are on this board.

I guess we all do have to give you ( yes even , NEO, ) credit for making things lively, though.

Know whats amazing to me? I work around a lot of TN fans and none of them are even half as arrogant as the few that started this mess, but can't deal with it now. The many TN fans that I know are smart enough and cautious enough to admit that they are worried about the game with South Carolina.

I think most Carolina fans, even on here, are just making fun of this guy that starts such a stupid thread when his own username eeks stupidity.


Bubba on the all male nude beach:
http://www.poweredparaglidingcolorado.com/bubba/sunbather_bubbaSm.jpg

[TaySC]

:brick: I can't take another year of this!!! :brick: ...and I hope we get to play that Danny Ford lovin bunch from ClemPson in a bowl, too :ohmy:

That's ANOTHER reason that most USC fans dislike TN.

Close games or not, TN almost always beats USC.

Then y'all get Clemson in a bowl (our rival that we severely struggle against) and they beat y'all like a wet paper bag and get to talk up the ACC and down the SEC....... AGAIN.

:brick:

[Kevhugh]

That's ANOTHER reason that most USC fans dislike TN.

Close games or not, TN almost always beats USC.

Then y'all get Clemson in a bowl (our rival that we severely struggle against) and they beat y'all like a wet paper bag and get to talk up the ACC and down the SEC....... AGAIN.

:brick:

I've been sitting back in amazement at how this thread turned into a UT vs. USC pissing match, but I have to respond to your post. That's hilarious and I agree. The only night in my life I rooted for Tennessee and they get the crap kicked out of them in the "Chic-Fil-A go out and buy yourself a chicken sandwhich and oh yeah we have milkshakes now" bowl. Thanks for nothing UT.

[BubbaVol]

OK, I've poked my fun and with very little effort on my part it has taken a few days and four pages for you guys to become tore up worse than new ground. My original point under the kidding was that 6-6 may get you left out of a bowl game we could get 8 bowl bids or only 7 but we have a bunch of teams that could finish 500 or better this year. And for a team that thinks its on the rise and ready to turn the corner on becoming a contender, to aspire to play in the Music City Bowl. It seems lame to me. You have to change the way you view success. 6-6 is mediocrity not success. Now if you are telling me that 6-6 season and a bowl birth is moving up for you're program then where are we to assume you came from?

Hmmm, Music has an SC in it. Guess that's kinda like the whole Citrus UT thing Neo was talking about. And Neo since you're so good with numbers, just how many times has UT been to the Citrus Bowl. Then compare that to all the other bowl game we have been to and see if you can figure out which others you can't spell without UT. I can't imagine how extatic you Cock fans would have been with an invite to the Citrus.

I do realize that Vandy and SC beat us last year. I try not to live in the past. I know what I have seen our team do this year. I have also seen some of the Cocks games. I'm not saying we don't have to come in with the proper mindset or focus on the task at hand. But if the UT team I have witnessed to this point shows up at your house we should win by 18 points. Georgia did so why shouldn't we?

I also ask for some tangible reasoning on why you SC fans think you can pull an upset on one of the big teams left on your schedule. Don't give me "cus we beat um las yer" or "cus ar coche owns um". Give me some reasonable match-up problems or stats.

One more thing before I go. Somewhere in this thread one of you Cock fans stated something about not being the same as Vandy or UK. That ya'll are on a higher level. I guess UK didn't get that memo last Saturday.

[Neo]

I also ask for some tangible reasoning on why you SC fans think you can pull an upset on one of the big teams left on your schedule.



For starters, Spurrier is in Fulmer's head. The stats and results don't lie. Spurrier can just outcoach Fulmer and that was obvious. Last year, USC went into Neyland with less talent and held UT to 15 points. Need I say more?




One more thing before I go. Somewhere in this thread one of you Cock fans stated something about not being the same as Vandy or UK. That ya'll are on a higher level. I guess UK didn't get that memo last Saturday.



I guess Vandy didn't get your memo either. At least we beat our conference pansies. :whistle:

[AFWarrior83]

Arkansas soooooo owe's you guys!! We have lost the last two games, 35-32 and 14-10? Makes me siiiick!

[GAMECOCKBOY]

OK, I've poked my fun and with very little effort on my part it has taken a few days and four pages for you guys to become tore up worse than new ground. My original point under the kidding was that 6-6 may get you left out of a bowl game we could get 8 bowl bids or only 7 but we have a bunch of teams that could finish 500 or better this year. And for a team that thinks its on the rise and ready to turn the corner on becoming a contender, to aspire to play in the Music City Bowl. It seems lame to me. You have to change the way you view success. 6-6 is mediocrity not success. Now if you are telling me that 6-6 season and a bowl birth is moving up for you're program then where are we to assume you came from?

Hmmm, Music has an SC in it. Guess that's kinda like the whole Citrus UT thing Neo was talking about. And Neo since you're so good with numbers, just how many times has UT been to the Citrus Bowl. Then compare that to all the other bowl game we have been to and see if you can figure out which others you can't spell without UT. I can't imagine how extatic you Cock fans would have been with an invite to the Citrus.

I do realize that Vandy and SC beat us last year. I try not to live in the past. I know what I have seen our team do this year. I have also seen some of the Cocks games. I'm not saying we don't have to come in with the proper mindset or focus on the task at hand. But if the UT team I have witnessed to this point shows up at your house we should win by 18 points. Georgia did so why shouldn't we?

I also ask for some tangible reasoning on why you SC fans think you can pull an upset on one of the big teams left on your schedule. Don't give me "cus we beat um las yer" or "cus ar coche owns um". Give me some reasonable match-up problems or stats.

One more thing before I go. Somewhere in this thread one of you Cock fans stated something about not being the same as Vandy or UK. That ya'll are on a higher level. I guess UK didn't get that memo last Saturday.


gamecock fans don't waste your time trying to explain anything to him...in the end it would be a waste of time...let him talk until he can't talk anymore...

[Williams-Brice]

OK, I've poked my fun and with very little effort on my part it has taken a few days and four pages for you guys to become tore up worse than new ground.

I love how we called you out on your ignorance, and you are trying to cover it up by saying you were playing a joke. That's a great way to start off a post. This should be fun . . .

My original point under the kidding was that 6-6 may get you left out of a bowl game we could get 8 bowl bids or only 7 but we have a bunch of teams that could finish 500 or better this year.

If what you are suggesting happens, then some bowl out there would be drooling to have a Spurrier-coached team fall into their lap.

And for a team that thinks its on the rise and ready to turn the corner on becoming a contender, to aspire to play in the Music City Bowl.

No one is aspiring to play in the Music City Bowl, but hey, it sure beats sitting at home during the holidays. You should know.

It seems lame to me. You have to change the way you view success. 6-6 is mediocrity not success. Now if you are telling me that 6-6 season and a bowl birth is moving up for you're program then where are we to assume you came from?

If you can't tell we are on the rise, then you are just flat out blind. By the way, we picked up another commitment today from another prospect who chose us over Tennessee. The tide is turning.

I do realize that Vandy and SC beat us last year. I try not to live in the past.

The first step to fixing your problem is admitting that you have a problem. You're arrogance just came down a notch by finally realizing South Carolina and Vandy currently have bragging rights over you.

I'm not saying we don't have to come in with the proper mindset or focus on the task at hand. But if the UT team I have witnessed to this point shows up at your house we should win by 18 points. Georgia did so why shouldn't we?

Are you talking about the UT team you witnessed against UGA or the UT team you witnessed against the mighty Air Force Academy? You could also be talking about the UT team that blew its lead against Florida. Which one is it? History shows that the lesser UT team shows up to play against teams coached by Spurrier.

I also ask for some tangible reasoning on why you SC fans think you can pull an upset on one of the big teams left on your schedule. Don't give me "cus we beat um las yer" or "cus ar coche owns um". Give me some reasonable match-up problems or stats.

Syvelle Newton, Cory Boyd, Kenny McKinley . . . you know . . . the guys Auburn couldn't stop.

One more thing before I go. Somewhere in this thread one of you Cock fans stated something about not being the same as Vandy or UK. That ya'll are on a higher level. I guess UK didn't get that memo last Saturday.

I guess you didn't get the memo that we beat Kentucky last Saturday. Before you give me some lame line about how the game was close, let me ask you how many close calls Kentucky has given the "mighty" orange recently? If your answer is anything other than plenty, then you are even more ignorant and arrogant than I originally thought.

I also like how you try to pass your ignorance off as a

Sit, Boo Boo, sit.

[GAMECOCKBOY]

Arkansas soooooo owe's you guys!! We have lost the last two games, 35-32 and 14-10? Makes me siiiick!
we will see what ya'll r all about on nov 4th...

[DIXIE'S PRIDE]

$.02-

The phrase is "sit UBU sit" not "sit boo boo sit" for what it's worth.

Spurrier has absolutely upgraded his talent base and tried to circle the wagons in-state but it will take awhile to gain quality and quantity at USC. Anyway you shake it the Cocks made a great hire in Spurrier and the East will feel his presents until he decides it's time to go. Super coaching/adequate recruiting, attractive facilities, big alumni base, dedicated fan support,and SEC = success, maybe not 10 wins every year, but your fair share of respect for sure.

As for the Vols the attrition rate is ridiculous. Do you realize that UT has depth issues that is horrible team/player management anyway you slice it. I'm not so sure Coach Cut is not the Head Coach within 1 to 2 years and Phat Phil is put on donut duty regardless of the outcome on the field. If there is UT fan alive that can credit Fulmer for doing anything more than convincing his friend/OCC to come back and save his job they have another thing coming. I'll go a step further had the situation at UT not been resolved Chavis may have left for greener pastures.

Count your blessings UT fans and enjoy what success you have this year cause your team is going to take some lickin's by FLA, UGA and USC from here on out.

You guys got to comfortable on the hill and now you got three teams to worry about every year instead of two. Remember the good ole days when it was just Spurrier and the GATORS? Now its the GATORS (no luck under meyer), UGA with Coach Richt won 5 out of 7. And I'll be if USC hadn't kick down the door and hired the OL' BALL COACH (1-0) to stick to ya every year now.

I've said it before and I'll say it again "climb down off your billygoats see what happens 'cause ya'll ain't won nothin' yet."

[AFWarrior83]

we will see what ya'll r all about on nov 4th...

It will be a good game, it always is w/USC. :brick:

[justin16]

If you can't tell we are on the rise, then you are just flat out blind. By the way, we picked up another commitment today from another prospect who chose us over Tennessee. The tide is turning.
that really doesn't mean that much. there are lots of variables, including scholarships, playing time, etc.. that determine where a recruit goes. just cuz he chose SC over UT doesn't mean "the tides are changing". in fact it's probably happened at least 20 times in the past 5 years that has happened, and vice versa. it's early, and recruiting lists can include some schools that have only spent a small amount of time just looking at a certain player. like i said, it's happened many times (i'm sure) so it's not that big of a deal.



The first step to fixing your problem is admitting that you have a problem. You're arrogance just came down a notch by finally realizing South Carolina and Vandy currently have bragging rights over you.
i agree with you 100%. you do have bragging rights over us, at the moment. we owe you.



Are you talking about the UT team you witnessed against UGA or the UT team you witnessed against the mighty Air Force Academy? You could also be talking about the UT team that blew its lead against Florida. Which one is it? History shows that the lesser UT team shows up to play against teams coached by Spurrier.
like i said before air force runs the wishbone offense, something the vols don't see that much and plus it was early in the season. our offense put up points, but our defense couldn't stop them. it's not is bad as you're trying to make it out to be.



I guess you didn't get the memo that we beat Kentucky last Saturday. Before you give me some lame line about how the game was close, let me ask you how many close calls Kentucky has given the "mighty" orange recently? If your answer is anything other than plenty, then you are even more ignorant and arrogant than I originally thought.
while i don't like to pick on kentucky, cuz i think they're a team moving in the upward direction, the vols have only had one single digit point win over them since 02. that was in 04 when we beat them 37-31, also the year that ainge and schaeffer (our top 2 qbs) were injured
2002: UT 24-0
2003: UT 20-7
2004: UT 37-31
2005: UT: 27-8
As for the Vols the attrition rate is ridiculous. Do you realize that UT has depth issues that is horrible team/player management anyway you slice it. I'm not so sure Coach Cut is not the Head Coach within 1 to 2 years and Phat Phil is put on donut duty regardless of the outcome on the field. If there is UT fan alive that can credit Fulmer for doing anything more than convincing his friend/OCC to come back and save his job they have another thing coming. I'll go a step further had the situation at UT not been resolved Chavis may have left for greener pastures.

Count your blessings UT fans and enjoy what success you have this year cause your team is going to take some lickin's by FLA, UGA and USC from here on out.

You guys got to comfortable on the hill and now you got three teams to worry about every year instead of two. Remember the good ole days when it was just Spurrier and the GATORS? Now its the GATORS (no luck under meyer), UGA with Coach Richt won 5 out of 7. And I'll be if USC hadn't kick down the door and hired the OL' BALL COACH (1-0) to stick to ya every year now.

I've said it before and I'll say it again "climb down off your billygoats see what happens 'cause ya'll ain't won nothin' yet."
depth issues aren't really that big of a concern...other than that, practically everything u just said is just your opinion, so i'm not going to argue with it. :closedeye

For starters, Spurrier is in Fulmer's head. The stats and results don't lie. Spurrier can just outcoach Fulmer and that was obvious. Last year, USC went into Neyland with less talent and held UT to 15 points. Need I say more?







I guess Vandy didn't get your memo either. At least we beat our conference pansies. :whistle:
last year we had major issues on and off the field. these issues have hopefully been resolved. also, no offense, but there's a little bit of a difference between winning big at florida and winning big at SC. at least it will be that way for a few more years. like i've already said, fulmer is more of a politician than anything, so spurrier really beat chavis (who's gotten better since spurrier left florida). about the vandy comment, yeah it sad, but that's what we get for having our first losing season in like 16 years. anyways, this year's game between UT and SC should be good, games against spurrier are always exciting. i'm looking forward to it. GO VOLS!

[Wizard of Orange]

I've been sitting back in amazement at how this thread turned into a UT vs. USC pissing match, but I have to respond to your post. That's hilarious and I agree. The only night in my life I rooted for Tennessee and they get the crap kicked out of them in the "Chic-Fil-A go out and buy yourself a chicken sandwhich and oh yeah we have milkshakes now" bowl. Thanks for nothing UT.
US!!!! You guys have been losing to them year after tear after year!! Whatta CROCK! After mt butt's on the line saying SC will be so battle worn from SEC games that Clemson would soon be a cake walk for em - you guys blow it every year!
You think it was bad once - I have to hear it EVERY YEAR!!! :brick:

[Wizard of Orange]

...and as far as Spurs being in Fulmer's head, NEO. That's just more wishful thinking - FLA was just plain better during most of the 90s. And last year's game, our Offense was even worse than yours. Unless, you think Vandy's Johnson is " in Phil's head, too" and Shula and Meyer and Richt and Weis...

No wonder Phil has such a big head - its tough to fit all those guys in there...

[Neo]

last year we had major issues on and off the field. these issues have hopefully been resolved. also, no offense, but there's a little bit of a difference between winning big at florida and winning big at SC. at least it will be that way for a few more years. like i've already said, fulmer is more of a politician than anything, so spurrier really beat chavis (who's gotten better since spurrier left florida). about the vandy comment, yeah it sad, but that's what we get for having our first losing season in like 16 years. anyways, this year's game between UT and SC should be good, games against spurrier are always exciting. i'm looking forward to it. GO VOLS!




You UT fans are amazing. You all want to give credit to Fulmer when he wins, but when he loses, it's Chavis' fault.

You can't have it both ways. If you want to talk about how successful Fulmer is, you have to take the bad with the good and not be so selective.

[roosterbooster]

Oh well, Politician=Lying, corrupt, buck passing scum bag in my book. I guess if that's your opinion of Phil it's OK with me. Especially those Tennessee Politicians. Maybe we can just start calling him Al Jr.

[Wizard of Orange]

You UT fans are amazing. You all want to give credit to Fulmer when he wins, but when he loses, it's Chavis' fault.

You can't have it both ways. If you want to talk about how successful Fulmer is, you have to take the bad with the good and not be so selective.
Not me , buddy. Chavis walks on water - of course, Phil would, too, if he weren't so heavy....

[razorhead]

Not me , buddy. Chavis walks on water - of course, Phil would, too, if he were so heavy....

Fat floats, lean muscle does not. Fulmer could be used as a party barge.

[DIXIE'S PRIDE]

$.02-

1. Have you ever meet Chavis? he is one donut shy of Phat Phil...neither walk on water but Chavis is a super defensive coach.

2. FLA having more talent in the 90's? Tennessee put more players in the NFL during that period of time than in other school in the NCAA including the U and FLA ST.

3. UT can and never will be able to defend their schedule from November on each year. UT has ZERO in state rivals...their regular season is over by OCT. 31. Case in point the UK series was moved to the last game of the season to help rebuild a rivalry.

USC plays Clemson out of conference each year that's a big game time opponent that must be accounted for annually.

[jbuzbee]

You can't have it both ways. If you want to talk about how successful Fulmer is, you have to take the bad with the good and not be so selective.

That statement works both ways. I've seen South Carolina fans on this board that exalt Spurrier as the "Second Coming" and continuously imply that he is the program's savior. When the Cocks win it is solely due to Spurrier's brilliant playcalling, offensive swagger and overrall "ole ball coach" moxie....when they lose the excuses come out in full force. To some extent all fans do this for their team but I've noticed that it is more prevelant with USC fans because of the way they view Spurrier (as the end-all-be-all...best coach in college football).

With all due respect to South Carolina...I just don't see them beating Tennessee. Last years Tennessee team was more of a fluke than the norm in my opinion. They had all the talent in the world and much the same team as this year...the ball is just bouncing in their favor this year more so than last. Luck can be one of the most important intangibles for a team...once a few things start going your way it becomes easier and easier to allow that to snowball...but the converse is also true. Tennessee's defense is much more talented than South Carolina's...especially upfront (this opinion is just from watching both teams...I don't have any stats in front of me, nor do I care to). Tennessee's running game is always good...that Coker guy is gonna be tough for USC. Foster's return will be big. Ainge is definitely the Comeback Player of the Year so far...Newton is good, too....just not as good a QB as Ainge. Rice is great...one of the best...but the combination of Meachum, Bret Smith, and UT's other WR are just better across the board. Boyd is very versatile and a good runner but, in my opinion, he isn't a "game changer".

Someone earlier made a comment about Boyd and Newton being the "players Auburn couldn't stop"....Auburn did win didn't they? So...that being said...using some understanding of the word they did "stop" them. I believe if they really couldn't stop them then surely USC would've won. They stopped them when they needed to...and in my opinon Tennessee will be able to do the same.

[jbuzbee]

USC plays Clemson out of conference each year that's a big-time opponent that must be accounted for annually.

South Carolina hasn't done much "accounting for" Clemson since college players started wearing facemasks. Case in point:

Clemson leads the all-time series 64-35-4. Since 1980 South Carolina has only been able to muster 6 wins and 1 tie. So...since 1980 their record against Clemson is 6-19-1....that doesn't demonstrate to me that South Carolina is "accounting" for Clemson.

[roosterbooster]

That statement works both ways. I've seen South Carolina fans on this board that exalt Spurrier as the "Second Coming" and continuously imply that he is the program's savior. When the Cocks win it is solely due to Spurrier's brilliant playcalling, offensive swagger and overrall "ole ball coach" moxie....when they lose the excuses come out in full force. To some extent all fans do this for their team but I've noticed that it is more prevelant with USC fans because of the way they view Spurrier (as the end-all-be-all...best coach in college football).

With all due respect to South Carolina...I just don't see them beating Tennessee. Last years Tennessee team was more of a fluke than the norm in my opinion. They had all the talent in the world and much the same team as this year...the ball is just bouncing in their favor this year more so than last. Luck can be one of the most important intangibles for a team...once a few things start going your way it becomes easier and easier to allow that to snowball...but the converse is also true. Tennessee's defense is much more talented than South Carolina's...especially upfront (this opinion is just from watching both teams...I don't have any stats in front of me, nor do I care to). Tennessee's running game is always good...that Coker guy is gonna be tough for USC. Foster's return will be big. Ainge is definitely the Comeback Player of the Year so far...Newton is good, too....just not as good a QB as Ainge. Rice is great...one of the best...but the combination of Meachum, Bret Smith, and UT's other WR are just better across the board. Boyd is very versatile and a good runner but, in my opinion, he isn't a "game changer".

Someone earlier made a comment about Boyd and Newton being the "players Auburn couldn't stop"....Auburn did win didn't they? So...that being said...using some understanding of the word they did "stop" them. I believe if they really couldn't stop them then surely USC would've won. They stopped them when they needed to...and in my opinon Tennessee will be able to do the same.

You took the statement you quoted completely out of context. The premise of that statement was that when Phil wins its all Phil and when Phil loses it is Chavis. I don't necessarilly agree with this because most of the UT fans I know think of Phil as the recruiter and Chavis as the coach. By the way in case you didn't watch the Auburn USC game, I am assuming that from what you have said above Auburn did not stop Syvelle and Cory in the second half. Auburn's offense and special teams did a much better job of stopping them than Auburn's defense did. I have said many times and so have many other Gamecocks a pump fake and a bootleg and Syvelle walks in the end zone. I have not heard anyone but Steve Spurrier blamed for that last play and most have said it was a bad play call. So no we do not think he is infallible. We have respect for his record and we have respect for the fact that he has done two incredible things in recruiting. In his first full recruiting class last year and so far in this years class he has USC in the running for a different class of athlete and he does an incredible job of evaluating talent. He has a 2 star player who as a true freshman is contributing greatly on at CB, a 3 star DE true freshman who is by far our best at the position, and a 3 star true freshman running back who was doing a great job at safety before being injured. So no, we don't think he walks on water, but we will be certain to have a boat nearby.

[roosterbooster]

South Carolina hasn't done much "accounting for" Clemson since college players started wearing facemasks. Case in point:

Clemson leads the all-time series 64-35-4. Since 1980 South Carolina has only been able to muster 6 wins and 1 tie. So...since 1980 their record against Clemson is 6-19-1....that doesn't demonstrate to me that South Carolina is "accounting" for Clemson.

You've got us there. I guess we could always take advise from y'all and just stop playing them. Who was that team y'all used to play, oh yeah Texas.

[DIXIE'S PRIDE]

If the team is your in state rival and on the schedule annually the game is circled. Do they win every year? No. Do they prepare for them and compete? Yes

Accounting is a system used to document debits (loses) and credits (wins). The games are played the risk is there regardless of the outcome. UT has gimme games from NOVEMBER on every year....its well documented.

BTW, Spurrier is a hell of an accountant in this case and will not operate in the red very often.

[jbuzbee]

You've got us there. I guess we could always take advise from y'all and just stop playing them. Who was that team y'all used to play, oh yeah Texas.

Bad example.

Obviously we stopped playing Texas year in year out after we moved out of the Southwest Conference....Arkansas would prefer to play Texas EVERY SINGLE year...but they don't want to. They recently renewed the series and following a victory by Arkansas in Austin Texas coach Mack Brown said that THEY did not want to renew the series...however, Broyles is still trying (and might have gotten another home and home series). We don't play them every year but since 1990 our record against Texas is 3-2 including a win in Austin and a win in the Cotton Bowl.

[roosterbooster]

Bad example.

Obviously we stopped playing Texas year in year out after we moved out of the Southwest Conference....Arkansas would prefer to play Texas EVERY SINGLE year...but they don't want to. They recently renewed the series and following a victory by Arkansas in Austin Texas coach Mack Brown said that THEY did not want to renew the series...however, Broyles is still trying (and might have gotten another home and home series). We don't play them every year but since 1990 our record against Texas is 3-2 including a win in Austin and a win in the Cotton Bowl.

Good example, we left the ACC and still play the bums so obviously you don't have to stop. 21-55 vs. 35-64-4 although our record also sucks against them it is better than yours against the Horns. And I will put our all time record against the Horns up against yours as well. So go ahead and say yeah but we're 8-6 against you. Admit it you're just a closet Danny Ford Fan.

[Neo]

Good example, we left the ACC and still play the bums so obviously you don't have to stop. 21-55 vs. 35-64-4 although our record also sucks against them it is better than yours against the Horns. And I will put our all time record against the Horns up against yours as well. So go ahead and say yeah but we're 8-6 against you. Admit it you're just a closet Danny Ford Fan.


USC's record vs. Texas: 1-0-0
Arky's record vs. Texas: 21-55-0
USC's vs. Clemson: 35-64-4

USC's record vs. Arky: 6-8-0

Very telling.....

[jbuzbee]

You took the statement you quoted completely out of context. The premise of that statement was that when Phil wins its all Phil and when Phil loses it is Chavis. I don't necessarilly agree with this because most of the UT fans I know think of Phil as the recruiter and Chavis as the coach.

No...that is exactly what I meant. When USC wins its all Spurrier...and when USC loses it's everyone and anyone else.

By the way in case you didn't watch the Auburn USC game, I am assuming that from what you have said above, Auburn did not stop Syvelle and Cory in the second half. Auburn's offense and special teams did a much better job of stopping them than Auburn's defense did. I have said many times and so have many other Gamecocks a pump fake and a bootleg and Syvelle walks in the end zone. I have not heard anyone but Steve Spurrier blamed for that last play and most have said it was a bad play call. So no, we do not think he is infallible.

First, your BEST player was held to 4 receptions for 48 yards. Obviously, Auburn decided that they were going to make USC beat them with somebody else...and you couldn't. Second, Boyd TOTALED 28 yards rushing and 26 yards receiving...hardly "unstoppable"...in ANY half. Third, I will concede that McKinley had a GREAT game with 8 receptions for 110 yards and Newton was also very good. But none of these stats indicate that they were unstoppable. Yes, I know Auburn held the ball the entire 3rd quarter but I think that necessitated the urgency South Carolina had in the 4th quarter...in that same vein, they couldn't be "unstoppable" in the second half when they only had the ball in one quarter.

We have respect for his record and we have respect for the fact that he has done two incredible things in recruiting. In his first full recruiting class last year and so far in this years class he has USC in the running for a different class of athlete and he does an incredible job of evaluating talent. He has a 2 star player who as a true freshman is contributing greatly on at CB, a 3 star DE true freshman who is by far our best at the position, and a 3 star true freshman running back who was doing a great job at safety before being injured. So no, we don't think he walks on water, but we will be certain to have a boat nearby.

I'm pretty sure South Carolina's been getting 2 and 3 star recruits for a while now. :tongue:

PS: Don't come back with the old "well our recruiting class is better than yours" because I'm not holding ours out as anything but what it is. (Although a lot of teams would like to have Mustain, Jones, McFadden..etc).

[jbuzbee]

USC's record vs. Texas: 1-0-0
Arky's record vs. Texas: 21-55-0
USC's vs. Clemson: 35-64-4

USC's record vs. Arky: 6-8-0

Very telling.....


Yeah...you're right. Stats are only "telling" when they are in your favor. Weird how that works. :brick:

[jbuzbee]

Good example, we left the ACC and still play the bums so obviously you don't have to stop.

Did you read that last post? Did you read the part where I indicated that it was TEXAS NOT ARKANSAS that decided to end the series? Since we aren't in their conference we cannot MAKE them play us. They don't want to play us because it can often be a trap game for them. We always get up to play Texas.

[jbuzbee]

USC's record vs. Texas: 1-0-0
Arky's record vs. Texas: 21-55-0
USC's vs. Clemson: 35-64-4

USC's record vs. Arky: 6-8-0

Very telling.....

Let's also make the point here that Texas and Clemson are not equivalent teams. The USC victory against Texas came in 1957 in Darrell Royal's first (and one of his worst...the team went 6-4-1)season at Texas.

[Williams-Brice]

We always get up to play Texas.

21-55 sure makes it look that way.

[jbuzbee]

I was referring to games against Texas since we left the SWC.

[Williams-Brice]

My evaluation of this season because that's what this thread is for:

Spurrier's staff is doing more with less. Spurrier's staff is recruiting their butts off. Spurrier's staff has us going in the right direction.

[jbuzbee]

Spurrier's staff is doing more with less.

Don't let any Houston Nutt haters (I am definitely NOT one) hear you say that...they'll jump all over it. They would say the old "doing more with less" is the battle cry of the mediocre.

In reality the USC program and the Arkansas program have some striking parallels. Both joined the SEC in 1992...both are trying to fight to overcome some of the "powerhouse" programs and gain national recognition. I do believe that USC and Arkansas are both on the way up...but I don't think this is the year for USC (and I'm not exactly sold that this is Arkansas' year either although it is starting out GREAT). Arkansas has a better history...but it's from a different era and a different conference. We, like USC, want to make a name in the SEC...we've only had a modicum of success in previous seasons.

[roosterbooster]

No...that is exactly what I meant. When USC wins its all Spurrier...and when USC loses it's everyone and anyone else.



First, your BEST player was held to 4 receptions for 48 yards. Obviously, Auburn decided that they were going to make USC beat them with somebody else...and you couldn't. Second, Boyd TOTALED 28 yards rushing and 26 yards receiving...hardly "unstoppable"...in ANY half. Third, I will concede that McKinley had a GREAT game with 8 receptions for 110 yards and Newton was also very good. But none of these stats indicate that they were unstoppable. Yes, I know Auburn held the ball the entire 3rd quarter but I think that necessitated the urgency South Carolina had in the 4th quarter...in that same vein, they couldn't be "unstoppable" in the second half when they only had the ball in one quarter.



I'm pretty sure South Carolina's been getting 2 and 3 star recruits for a while now. :tongue:

PS: Don't come back with the old "well our recruiting class is better than yours" because I'm not holding ours out as anything but what it is. (Although a lot of teams would like to have Mustain, Jones, McFadden..etc).

OK try following logic here. The 2 and 3 star part was preceded by evaluating talent. That was my point. He brought in 2 and 3 stars who are competing at a high level. He is also getting 4 stars. I really don't think you watched the Auburn game if you think they stopped our offense in the second half in any way other than keeping the ball out of their hands. That was why I said Auburn's offense and special teams did a better job of stopping the offense. Don't really care how good your recruiting class is we beat you last year.

[jbuzbee]

Don't really care how good your recruiting class is we beat you last year.

Wow...good one. If you want to play it like that:

--------------------Arkansas-----------------South Carolina
All-time Records: 626-428-40 -----------------------502-517-44
Total Championships: 15----------------------------------1
National Championships: 1-----------------------------------0
Total Bowl Apps. 34----------------------------------12
Head to Head: ARKANSAS 8-6

All-Time Rankings:*
Arkansas = 26
South Carolina = 67

Numbers speak for themselves.

*according to www.cfbdatawarehouse.com

[jbuzbee]

OK try following logic here. The 2 and 3 star part was preceded by evaluating talent. That was my point. He brought in 2 and 3 stars who are competing at a high level. He is also getting 4 stars.

Yeah....I understood. The little face with the tongue sticking out was supposed to indicate to you that I was giving you a hard time...you know a joke..try following that logic.
:brick:

[roosterbooster]

Wow...good one. If you want to play it like that:

--------------------Arkansas-----------------South Carolina
All-time Records: 626-428-40 -----------------------502-517-44
Total Championships: 15----------------------------------1
National Championships: 1-----------------------------------0
Total Bowl Apps. 34----------------------------------12
Head to Head: ARKANSAS 8-6

All-Time Rankings:*
Arkansas = 26
South Carolina = 67

Numbers speak for themselves.

*according to www.cfbdatawarehouse.com

And yet, we beat you last year. Is there truly a better come back than yes but we beat you the last time we played.

[TaySC]

US!!!! You guys have been losing to them year after tear after year!! Whatta CROCK! After mt butt's on the line saying SC will be so battle worn from SEC games that Clemson would soon be a cake walk for em - you guys blow it every year!
You think it was bad once - I have to hear it EVERY YEAR!!! :brick:

I think the point you are missing is this:

As a TN fan y'all rarely play ClemPson. If you do in fact take up for USC, then I can see where you do get trashtalked some by CU fans, BUT USC isn't your team and they can't rag you that bad.....

As a USC fan we do in fact get beaten by ClemPson almost every year. That is a fact. WE hear that every year, THEN (referring to the year in question) we also got it thrown in our face that TN and the SEC were soooo overrated, how they would beat y'all down, etc..... Guess what? It happened just as they said. Sooo, they had 2 things to dog us about, my real team and the entire SEC as a whole.

This site is fun to talk a little smack to our SEC breathren, but outside of being a USC fan, I am also an SEC fan. ClemPson doesn't understand that. The ACC is not like the SEC and doesn't take the conference pride thing to the level that we generally do.... at least not in football.

Let me tell you, I NEVER pull for TN except when they play someone like ClemPson and that game was painful to watch as they stomped a mudhole in your butts AND walked it dry. :angry:

I am sure Bubba will come tell us how that was also good for TN and how it helped straighten out the program...... :whistle:

[TaySC]

USC's record vs. Texas: 1-0-0
Arky's record vs. Texas: 21-55-0
USC's vs. Clemson: 35-64-4

USC's record vs. Arky: 6-8-0

Very telling.....

I've said it before and I will say it again....... USC and ARK joined the SEC at the same time and both brought the same thing to the table....

a team that has proven to be a middle of the pack SEC team with maybe an occassional season a little above normal and the occassional season or two below it.

ARK and USC since joining the SEC are very similar.

The MAIN difference is that ARK plays in the West, which does not year in and year out have the same team or two at the top.

USC plays in the East and battles TN, FLA and UGA every year. Those 3 are almost always solid and even when one of them is down (like TN last year), there are still 2 teams that are generally top 10 material..... add to that the fact that KY and Vandy were both up a little bit last season and I think you get my point.

[jbuzbee]

I've said it before and I will say it again....... USC and ARK joined the SEC at the same time and both brought the same thing to the table....

a team that has proven to be a middle of the pack SEC team with maybe an occassional season a little above normal and the occassional season or two below it.

ARK and USC since joining the SEC are very similar.

The MAIN difference is that ARK plays in the West, which does not year in and year out have the same team or two at the top.

USC plays in the East and battles TN, FLA and UGA every year. Those 3 are almost always solid and even when one of them is down (like TN last year), there are still 2 teams that are generally top 10 material..... add to that the fact that KY and Vandy were both up a little bit last season and I think you get my point.


I think Bama, LSU, and Auburn would disagree with you about "not having the same teams at the top". If you refer to my earlier post you'll see that I agree that there are many parallels between USC and Arkansas...although I do not accept the argument that USC has struggled more because they play in a tougher division. The west is plenty tough...I would say that both divisions have two cupcakes: MSU and Ole Miss in the West and Vandy and UK in the East....I think it's quite obvious that over the years MSU and Ole Miss have been the tougher of the "cupcakes"..such as it is. (with all due respect to MSU and Ole Miss).

[shanksta13]

I think it's quite obvious that over the years MSU and Ole Miss have been the tougher of the "cupcakes"..such as it is. (with all due respect to MSU and Ole Miss).

I disagree, at least recently Vandy and Kentucky have been tougher. Ole Miss hasn't done anything since Eli left. Mississippi State has lost 37 of their last 43 games in the SEC. Kentucky and Vandy were just one win short of Mississippi State's win total during that period after only playing 16 games.

31% win percentage for Vandy + UK over 1 year
14% win percentage for Mississippi State over 6 years

[shanksta13]

I don't think the strength of a division should be based on the cellar dwellers, though. If we did base it on the cellar dwellers, no one would have ever heard of the PAC 10! :laugh:

[TaySC]

I disagree.... and remember, I am referring to since USC and ARK joined the SEC, not to the far distant past here.

What has Bama really done in recent history to put them on the same level year in and year out with UGA, TN and FLA?

I bet if we compared final rankings for the top 3 in both divisions that the 3 in the East are far more consistant than are the 3 in the West.

As a matter of fact there was an article (forget whether it was Sports Illustrated or who) that dicussed this very thing. They asked which conference was the toughest in the Nation and the reply was that the Eastern Division of the SEC was the toughest division out there and was as tough as any other conference.

No disrespect intended to the Western division, but look at the current standings for example:

SEC East (AP Poll):
#2 FLA
#8 TN
#16 UGA

SEC West (AP Poll):
#11 AUB
#14 LSU
Bama not ranked................

SEC East (ESPN/Coaches Poll):
#3 FLA
#9 TN
#14 UGA

SEC West (ESPN/Coaches Poll):
#10 AUB
#16 LSU
Bama not ranked...... (even USC is receiving 3 votes, Bama none)


While each of the West teams (referring to those 3) have experienced championships and many great seasons, they are not as consistant year in and year out as the 3 teams we are discussing from the East.

[TaySC]

I disagree, at least recently Vandy and Kentucky have been tougher. Ole Miss hasn't done anything since Eli left. Mississippi State has lost 37 of their last 43 games in the SEC. Kentucky and Vandy were just one win short of Mississippi State's win total during that period after only playing 16 games.

31% win percentage for Vandy + UK over 1 year
14% win percentage for Mississippi State over 6 years

I agree with you here.

While we can't base how tough the division is really by the cellar dwellers, I can honestly say that Vandy and KY have been as good as Ole Miss and MSU in most years and better a good bit of the time.

Again using this year as an example:
KY is 3-3
Vandy is 2-4
Ole Miss is 2-4
MSU is 1-5


USC handily beat MSU on the road in game 1. I know, I know, the score was only 15-0, but they were solidly beaten. USC after being much improved, struggled a little with KY.

Before someone says that USC isn't much improved, check out the statistics from our first 2 games with Blake Mitchell at the helm as compared to our last 3 games with Syvelle Newton at the helm. Had Newton been QB against MSU that game would have really gotten ugly...... if 15-0 wasn't ugly enough.

[uscrules]

I will say this, Georgia, Florida and SC play a tough rival out of conference game every year. Fla vs Fla St, SC vs Clemson, and Ga vs GA Tech. Most all of the teams in the SEC play their rival within the conference and this is a game each year that makes their schedule a little tougher. I know all the other teams play Sou CAl, Notre Dame and others, however they don't have to play them each and every year. What do you think?

[Wizard of Orange]

I will say this, Georgia, Florida and SC play a tough rival out of conference game every year. Fla vs Fla St, SC vs Clemson, and Ga vs GA Tech. Most all of the teams in the SEC play their rival within the conference and this is a game each year that makes their schedule a little tougher. I know all the other teams play Sou CAl, Notre Dame and others, however they don't have to play them each and every year. What do you think?
Do you think it is more difficult to play the same good team year after year or to play a different good team every year - I don't follow. Is playing Clemson every year worse than playing say ND for two years then Cal for two years?

Anyway, the Nov. thing with TN's schedule is the SEC mandates KY and Vandy - but as I recall all four of our most recent ND games have been NOV games.
And, personally, I think TN has a tendency to get stronger as the season pr