Heads up Russell: [Archive]

blues_cap

10-05-2006, 05:01 PM

word just broke on gatorbait that mt is playing this weekend. this came from a supposed "insider" and not from the staff, but usually these things arent just rumors.

fyi, he was practicing with the D and one-one with strong today b/f this news came out. im gonna choose to believe it till i see otherwise.

aw snaps, the outlook just changed for the gator faithful. :beer:

shanksta13

10-05-2006, 05:07 PM

You have no idea the insanely awesome curse words of joy that just flashed through my head. If MT is back that is absolutely HUGE for us. Especially with Will Arnold out this week.

shanksta13

10-05-2006, 05:14 PM

Hey blues can you post that link? Or PM it to me?

blues_cap

10-05-2006, 05:16 PM

Hey blues can you post that link? Or PM it to me?

i will try to pm it to you but it is a message board on gatorbait(pay only) so i cant promise. like i said, it isnt official, but it is the same place that announced the suspension 3-4 days b/f it became official.

give me a sec and i will try.

shanksta13

10-05-2006, 05:22 PM

Nah, I didn't realize it was an insider article. Nonetheless, it's great news and I'll be hoping it's true. Hopefully the story will break on a big network pretty soon. I was thinking about putting some money on this game anyway. Now looks like the perfect time to do it, because people will be more reluctant if MT is back indeed. Thanks for the info.

blues_cap

10-05-2006, 05:25 PM

shanksta13

10-05-2006, 05:27 PM

another thing: the line moved very favorable in the gators' way today. i dont know if the vegas guys know something or it is just coincidence.

Yeah at this point, I think I would put money on MT being back for the LSU game. Yesterday, I was thinking to myself that all of the signs were pointing to him coming back and I would have called his chances for playing at about 75-25. Today has given me every reason to believe I was right.

BTW how much have the lines shifted in general?

GTTiger

10-05-2006, 05:27 PM

I'm a bit confused as to why there wouldn't be a known date that a suspension would end? I would think that it should be clean cut...he's in or out dependant on how long it's been.

shanksta13

10-05-2006, 05:33 PM

I'm a bit confused as to why there wouldn't be a known date that a suspension would end? I would think that it should be clean cut...he's in or out dependant on how long it's been.

It's been so unclear because the original suspension for half of the season was appealed and there has been no official word yet on the results of the appeal.

This is my understanding of the situation:
MT was suspended for the season opener on the first failed drug test. They tested him again roughly four weeks later and once again found traces of THC in his system. As soon as the results of the second test arrived MT was immediately suspended. He recently appealed the case to the AD on the basis that the results of the second test were the leftover traces from his first incident. The results of the appeal have not yet been made official. But if this rumor is true, that most likely means that his "double jeopardy" story has been reasonably verified and he will be cleared to play ASAP.

GTTiger

10-05-2006, 05:35 PM

Oh ok, that makes sense....so they are just waiting on the judgement of the appeal. Who was the appeal through? UF or SEC or NCAA?

blues_cap

10-05-2006, 05:35 PM

Yeah at this point, I think I would put money on MT being back for the LSU game. Yesterday, I was thinking to myself that all of the signs were pointing to him coming back and I would have called his chances for playing at about 75-25. Today has given me every reason to believe I was right.

BTW how much have the lines shifted in general?

depending on which site you use, uf was anywhere from a 2 to 2.5 dog yesterday...most sites have them as a 1-2 point favorite today.

this could be b/c people loading up on uf and the bookies wanting to even it out but it is a strange conicidence.

blues_cap

10-05-2006, 05:38 PM

Oh ok, that makes sense....so they are just waiting on the judgement of the appeal. Who was the appeal through? UF or SEC or NCAA?

he went in front of some counsel at uf today to make his case, supposedly. remember, im no insider and everything i report i read it from another source.

the appeal was strictly uf.

GTTiger

10-05-2006, 05:39 PM

I saw the game as an even line yesturday and UF as a 1 point favorite today. I think the line is shifting alot because of the uknowns: Wil Arnold not playing, and the old starting O-Line guy comin back, Harvin, Wynn, and Thomas. There are just so many unknowns about who is playing.

It's starting to feel like football weekend finally =P

blues_cap

10-05-2006, 05:43 PM

he's playing...there are now at least 4 "insiders" reporting the same thing. all of these same guys knew of the suspension b/f it was ever released.

i just want to yell "hell yeah" as loud as my lungs would allow. :chug:

blues_cap

10-05-2006, 05:46 PM

straight from the mouth of meyer:

"Marcus still has some work ahead of him, but he has been granted the opportunity to play in the LSU game."

shanksta13

10-05-2006, 05:54 PM

straight from the mouth of meyer:

"Marcus still has some work ahead of him, but he has been granted the opportunity to play in the LSU game."

oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy
:lolup: :alcohol: :chug: :yelrotflm :eating: :welcome: :beer: :up_to_som :biggrin: :drive:

shanksta13

10-05-2006, 05:57 PM

Marcus Thomas Re-instated for LSU Game on October 7th (http://florida.scout.com/2/576244.html)

AJ2HOT4U

10-05-2006, 06:13 PM

marcus thomas back what? man this is gunna be a game.

Well two more days and i cannot wait to see LSU's version of the wild bunch play the fla o line.

By the way, good news tiger fans, 5 star basketball standout Anthony Randolph commits to LSU over Texas. Hes considered one of the top ten players in the country. Great news!

GatorHunter

10-05-2006, 06:20 PM

Just read on GC that Marcus "Scoop" Thomas will be available for the LSU game. Great news for the Gators...this DL is sick good!

shanksta13

10-05-2006, 06:24 PM

ESPN is reporting that DeShawn Wynn will not play against LSU.

geechee

10-05-2006, 07:13 PM

ESPN is reporting that DeShawn Wynn will not play against LSU.

That sounds about right to me. I was wondering why Meyer was going to risk losing the guy for the year playing him injured like that. Who knows though, he still might play him.

geechee

10-05-2006, 07:26 PM

It's been so unclear because the original suspension for half of the season was appealed and there has been no official word yet on the results of the appeal.

This is my understanding of the situation:
MT was suspended for the season opener on the first failed drug test. They tested him again roughly four weeks later and once again found traces of THC in his system. As soon as the results of the second test arrived MT was immediately suspended. He recently appealed the case to the AD on the basis that the results of the second test were the leftover traces from his first incident. The results of the appeal have not yet been made official. But if this rumor is true, that most likely means that his "double jeopardy" story has been reasonably verified and he will be cleared to play ASAP.

Somehow missed this post earlier. This whole situation sounds a little shady to me. Not that I mind either way but I wouldn't be surprised to see ESPN or Yahoo guys writing about this in the coming days.

LSUisLIFE611

10-05-2006, 07:28 PM

Well see what happens on the field. All this talk about the game is getting me pumped. Its gonna be a close one, but if it comes down to field goals, i am liking my tigers.

shanksta13

10-05-2006, 07:36 PM

Well see what happens on the field. All this talk about the game is getting me pumped. Its gonna be a close one, but if it comes down to field goals, i am liking my tigers.

I really really hope it doesn't... *fingers crossed*

LSUisLIFE611

10-05-2006, 07:38 PM

Well this game is going to be an extremely close game, its all about who can last longer, because both defences are going to be on the field most of the game.

GatorHunter

10-06-2006, 12:41 AM

Somehow missed this post earlier. This whole situation sounds a little shady to me. Not that I mind either way but I wouldn't be surprised to see ESPN or Yahoo guys writing about this in the coming days.

Why does it sound shady? The University heard Thomas' appeal today and ruled that he be cleared...it had nothing to do with Coach Meyer. I'm not totally sure of what transpired...but I've heard that the second test only showed trace amounts of THC...it was conducted 4 weeks after the first...if MT had "smoked" after the initial test...the levels would have been much higher...therefor, he was cleared on the grounds of double jeopardy. Actually thought the suspension was a little "harsh"...he's missed 3 games.

TigerFanatic

10-06-2006, 01:07 AM

because both defences are going to be on the field most of the game.
what? that makes absolutely no sense

Wizard of Orange

10-06-2006, 07:24 AM

what? that makes absolutely no sense
My thought exactly - Will the "D"s be out there by themselves? Now that's some inside scoop - My new prediction - FLA 0 LSU 0. :laugh:

Wizard of Orange

10-06-2006, 07:33 AM

this could be b/c people loading up on uf and the bookies wanting to even it out but it is a strange conicidence.

BC, that's how the line works. Its the only reason they move it...

autiger1126

10-06-2006, 09:09 AM

blues_cap

10-06-2006, 09:15 AM

i think it's a little odd that it was a student council that reinstated him. Also, you think it's harsh to be suspended 3 games for getting caught twice with drugs? blackmon's been out 6 weeks for having a beer.

if that is blackmon's only offense, that is freakin ridiculous. im assuming he is underage and was arrested??

as far as the student counsel..it is first appealed to the ad, then another committee of faculty and administrator, and then evidently the student counsel.

AU Blaaaaaaaake

10-06-2006, 09:21 AM

All I know is it takes a lot more than one great defensive player to take down Russell.. that guy is gigantic and mobile. Best of luck.

WDavE

10-06-2006, 10:21 AM

if that is blackmon's only offense, that is freakin ridiculous. im assuming he is underage and was arrested??

as far as the student counsel..it is first appealed to the ad, then another committee of faculty and administrator, and then evidently the student counsel.

That was not Blackmons biggest offense. Letting the coaches find out through the media was his big faux pas. Six games is for a life's lesson....

GatorHunter

10-06-2006, 02:42 PM

i think it's a little odd that it was a student council that reinstated him. Also, you think it's harsh to be suspended 3 games for getting caught twice with drugs? blackmon's been out 6 weeks for having a beer.

The "student council" hears all student issues...however, the AD and President have the final say.

Yes, I think it's harsh that a SR DL that returned for his final season despite the fact that he would've been a first rounder in the NFL Draft was suspended for 2 extra games without concrete evidence that the test was legit. He should've been allowed to play during the appeals process...every expert that was contacted agreed that there's a sizable chance the "trace" amounts of THC found in his blood could be residual from the first offense...yet, MT was not allowed to participate until the committee ruled in his favor...

BTW, this is a totally different situation...Blackmon was arrested and thrown in jail for DUI...and as Dave stated, he didn't have the "stones" to 'fess up to the coach.

Lud0

10-06-2006, 02:57 PM

Florida fans can never again talk s--- about the whole Juwan Simpson incident. Dude failed a drug test... twice.

Jay Bee

10-06-2006, 03:14 PM

The "student council" hears all student issues...however, the AD and President have the final say.

Yes, I think it's harsh that a SR DL that returned for his final season despite the fact that he would've been a first rounder in the NFL Draft was suspended for 2 extra games without concrete evidence that the test was legit. He should've been allowed to play during the appeals process...every expert that was contacted agreed that there's a sizable chance the "trace" amounts of THC found in his blood could be residual from the first offense...yet, MT was not allowed to participate until the committee ruled in his favor...

BTW, this is a totally different situation...Blackmon was arrested and thrown in jail for DUI...and as Dave stated, he didn't have the "stones" to 'fess up to the coach.

Actually it wasn't DUI. It was underage drinking. He also eluded the po' po'. I don't think he was jailed (ticket). Yes, I know it's hard to believe a kid under legal drinking age have a couple of cold one's with his friends. :duh:

WDE!
jb

UTVOLINSIDER

10-06-2006, 03:57 PM

I think Shula kinda opened the door for the kid to come back and play. Although, 4 weeks was almost enough time to clear his system of THC. I think 1 more week would have been a fair test time for the kid. You have to think that a big game like this had the coach and the AD thinking about the case more. Its already kinda been a black eye to UF anyway so why not let him play, hell he played against TN-then sat now he plays?
Forget it just let him play, if he's trouble it will happen again. If not he learned something.
GO VOLS!

GatorHunter

10-06-2006, 07:26 PM

Florida fans can never again talk shit about the whole Juwan Simpson incident. Dude failed a drug test... twice.

The difference:

MT failed a drug test...the University Policy is that he be suspended for the first game. He was. He came back, played vs UCF and UT. Once you test positive, you have to take the drug tests "more frequently" for a period of time for observation. His second test came back positive...as I've stated before, there are two types of drug tests...a sensitive and a specific. The sensitive picks up even the most minute amount of substance....the specific actually measures the amount. Most drug tests that use "urine" are sensitive...MT's second test came back positive and he was suspended immediately. He appealed...another drug test was done...this time a specific test was used, and it showed only trace amounts of the drug...indicating it was residual from weeks before...therefore, MT was cleared by the University to play.....should Meyer micro-manage and initiate a longer suspension? The guy was innocent of the second offense...why would he be suspended longer?

This is no where near as blatant as Shula's philosophy...suspend players for "cupcake" games in order to avoid a loss. That's just ridiculous.

AJ2HOT4U

10-06-2006, 07:32 PM

is anybody watching MT beating Louisville? wtf r they doing in the top ten!

blues_cap

10-06-2006, 08:30 PM

is anybody watching MT beating Louisville? wtf r they doing in the top ten!

yep, im giving up 30 points...im watching and not smiling. :thumbsdow

GatorHunter

10-06-2006, 10:44 PM

MT may not start...I'm hearing mixed reports, but Meyer may still sit him...at least for some of the game...tonight at the "Gator Growl" MT was not introduced as one of the seniors...and he's not in the program as a starter.

BTW, Chris Leak received the loudest applause tonight.

AU Blaaaaaaaake

10-07-2006, 03:11 AM

BTW, Chris Leak received the loudest applause tonight.

As he was leaving? Did Tebow make a surprise appearance immediately afterward?
:ph34r:

blues_cap

10-07-2006, 08:48 AM

As he was leaving? Did Tebow make a surprise appearance immediately afterward?
:ph34r:

arent you the same guy that said brandon cox was one of the most clutch qbs in the ncaa????

i thought so...your opinions are at a discounted price from here on out. good luck living that one down.

OldManNoPants

10-07-2006, 09:02 AM

Jay Bee

10-07-2006, 09:33 AM

arent you the same guy that said brandon cox was one of the most clutch qbs in the ncaa????

i thought so...your opinions are at a discounted price from here on out. good luck living that one down.

I don't know about Cox being the "most clutch", but he has come through with some big clutch plays eg. 4th down pass to Taylor vs. the faux tigers, the 4th down pass to Aromashado against the leg humpers last year, and a couple of 4th down completions during the game against the cocks this year. Guess we'll have to wait until next week for him to show you.
Good luck against lswho today. I think you'll need it.

WDE!
jb

blues_cap

10-07-2006, 09:43 AM

I don't know about Cox being the "most clutch", but he has come through with some big clutch plays eg. 4th down pass to Taylor vs. the faux tigers, the 4th down pass to Aromashado against the leg humpers last year, and a couple of 4th down completions during the game against the cocks this year. Guess we'll have to wait until next week for him to show you.
Good luck against lswho today. I think you'll need it.

WDE!
jb

dude, completing a 4th down pass here and there doesnt make you clutch...if it did, every qb in the nation would be clutch.

has cox ever taken over the game late in the 4th qtr??? has he ever led a drive down a score to win a big game?? has he ever won a big game on the road b/c he had to put the team on his back or it wouldnt be won?? hell, has he ever beat a good ooc team or won a big bowl game so the sec wouldnt be embarassed??

all he has done was lead an extremely talented team to a 4 loss season. that is clutch right there.

AU Blaaaaaaaake

10-07-2006, 11:06 AM

dude, completing a 4th down pass here and there doesnt make you clutch...if it did, every qb in the nation would be clutch.

has cox ever taken over the game late in the 4th qtr??? has he ever led a drive down a score to win a big game?? has he ever won a big game on the road b/c he had to put the team on his back or it wouldnt be won?? hell, has he ever beat a good ooc team or won a big bowl game so the sec wouldnt be embarassed??

all he has done was lead an extremely talented team to a 4 loss season. that is clutch right there.

Ok, so its safe to say you didn't watch the AU-UGA game last year. On the road. Down 6 points. 4th quarter. Last drive of the game. Kthanks. By the way hes leading an undefeated team right now.

Also, the opinion comes from how Brandon handles 3rd/4th downs like its the easiest part of the game. Auburn is #1 this year already with 4th down conversions with SEVEN/SEVEN completed. Almost all of them have been 7-10 yard passes as well.. Brandon Cox comes up big on game changing plays, and that is what makes him a clutch QB. I mean are you honestly going to hold a young QB's first year at the helm against him?

GatorNation

10-07-2006, 12:22 PM

I think MT plays, but he'll be a bit limited by his conditioning.

Nevetheless, having him on the DL is HUGE!

blues_cap

10-07-2006, 01:42 PM

Ok, so its safe to say you didn't watch the AU-UGA game last year. On the road. Down 6 points. 4th quarter. Last drive of the game. Kthanks. By the way hes leading an undefeated team right now.

Also, the opinion comes from how Brandon handles 3rd/4th downs like its the easiest part of the game. Auburn is #1 this year already with 4th down conversions with SEVEN/SEVEN completed. Almost all of them have been 7-10 yard passes as well.. Brandon Cox comes up big on game changing plays, and that is what makes him a clutch QB. I mean are you honestly going to hold a young QB's first year at the helm against him?

as i sit here watching the au/ark game, i see how auburn's lack of ability to run the ball falls directly on cox's shoulders. he is holding the ball for 6 seconds and he cant do anything if it isnt off play-action. they are giving him plenty of time and he cant do shat.

that is what im talking about. he is a product of the people around him and if they dont produce, he cant shoulder the load. taking over a game when nobody else is is the definition of "clutch" and it is painfully obvious this term doesnt apply here.

geechee

10-07-2006, 02:17 PM

as i sit here watching the au/ark game, i see how auburn's lack of ability to run the ball falls directly on cox's shoulders. he is holding the ball for 6 seconds and he cant do anything if it isnt off play-action. they are giving him plenty of time and he cant do shat.

that is what im talking about. he is a product of the people around him and if they dont produce, he cant shoulder the load. taking over a game when nobody else is is the definition of "clutch" and it is painfully obvious this term doesnt apply here.

Ouch! but hard to argue with this week at least.

GeauxTo

10-07-2006, 02:28 PM

I wouldn't be counting Russell and company out just yet. The game is just about to start. See ya later!

geechee

10-07-2006, 02:38 PM

I wouldn't be counting Russell and company out just yet. The game is just about to start. See ya later!

Geaux Tigers!!!

Lud0

10-07-2006, 02:42 PM

Lets go LSU, I got money yeaux!

AJ2HOT4U

10-07-2006, 03:01 PM

7-0 babyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!

GatorHunter

10-08-2006, 12:30 AM

The only thing that MT's suspension screams at me now is SHADY...all it does is make it look like meyer desperately needs his DT to win the game. In past suspensions with other teams (ie auburn's two defensive backs), their punishment wasn't let up just because the big LSU game was coming up. If you're going to suspend a player, don't let him miss a couple of chump games and "give him the opportunity" to play in huge must win conference game. I lost alot of respect for UF on this one. Maybe Chris Leak can hit a few lines in the locker room before the vanderbilt game, "get suspended", and then be brought back in time for the USC game the following week. Seems possible?

Sorry...I can't explain it any more simple than I have...and MT missed the Bama game as well...which was a very important game in the SEC as well as for UF after the a-whipping we took last season. The rest of your post is pretty ridiculous...either you understand it or not...otherwise, http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k105/gatorhunter22/347758.gif