RUMOR: Alabama To Release Shula

[Neo]

http://www.sectalk.com/boards/images/logos/Alabama.gifAlabama is set to release Shula and will pursue Tommy Bowden.

By: Neo
SECTalk.com Admin/News Writer

This just in, I've heard from various sources that Alabama head coach Mike Shula is going to be fired at the end of the season. This RUMOR has not yet been confirmed and according to sources, the leading candidates to succeed him are Tommy Bowden (Clemson) and Bobby Petrino (Louisville). I will update this story as more comes in.

As I stated, this is in fact a rumor and it has not been confirmed. The records of the coaches are listed below.

Tommy Bowden
Overall: 74-38-0 (9 seasons including this one.)
1997-1998 - Tulane: 18-4-0
1999-Present - Clemson: 56-33-0

Bobby Petrino
Overall: 33-8-0 (4 seasons including this one.)
2003-Present - Louisville: 33-8-0

[AU Blaaaaaaaake]

I hope they take Tommy Bowden!

[timNem]

You need to double check your sources because my sources say that Bama has purchased a Jumbo jet to pick up Fulmer after he is let go by UT

[Neo]

You need to double check your sources because my sources say that Bama has purchased a Jumbo jet to pick up Fulmer after he is let go by UT


Tim,

If you're trying to be funny, you're not. You haven't been here long enough to know anything about me or who I know. I'm sure many of the veterans here can vouch for me. Hell, ask the user Jay Lupo about the Arkansas Baseball steroid scandal that I reported 3 whole days before any other media outlet got it.

Put simply, right now this has not been confirmed so don't get your panties in a wad. Given my past reports though, I'm batting around 85%. :happy:

[AUChamps]

Tim,

If you're trying to be funny, you're not. You haven't been here long enough to know anything about me or who I know. I'm sure many of the veterans here can vouch for me. Hell, ask the user Jay Lupo about the Arkansas Baseball steroid scandal that I reported 3 whole days before any other media outlet got it.

Put simply, right now this has not been confirmed so don't get your panties in a wad. Given my past reports though, I'm batting around 85%. :happy:
Neo, I just posted this info Verbatim on AL.com's Auburn and Alabama Forums:

http://www.al.com/forums/tigers/index.ssf (#216488)

http://www.al.com/forums/tide/index.ssf (#284231)

[timNem]

Tim,

If you're trying to be funny, you're not. You haven't been here long enough to know anything about me or who I know. I'm sure many of the veterans here can vouch for me. Hell, ask the user Jay Lupo about the Arkansas Baseball steroid scandal that I reported 3 whole days before any other media outlet got it.

Put simply, right now this has not been confirmed so don't get your panties in a wad. Given my past reports though, I'm batting around 85%. :happy: Well pardon me! I thought you were writing a little satire. BTW this will categorize in the other 15%

[AUChamps]

Well pardon me! I thought you were writing a little satire. BTW this will categorize in the other 15%
After the way Fran left Alabama, I'm not so sure anyone in Tuscaloosa can predict what's gonna happen to the Football Coach, either by their own will or by the AD's Will.

[timNem]

Neo, I just posted this info Verbatim on AL.com's Auburn and Alabama Forums:

http://www.al.com/forums/tigers/index.ssf (#216488)

http://www.al.com/forums/tide/index.ssf (#284231)
Good boy, Nielson

[Bburton86]

So who do you know?

[timNem]

I hope they take Tommy Bowden!
Then I'll will become an Auburn fan :barf:

[AUChamps]

Good boy, Nielson
It's actually Neilson, you're welcome.

[Gamecocks4Ever]

With this possibly being Clemson's best team in years (they would be even better without injuries), and with their recruiting class shaping up for next year, Tommy would be STUPID for leaving Clemson now. Bama fans can get mad at that if they want, just my opinion.

[dcbama]

and I mean ending up 5-7 or worse, I'd be extremely surprised if they dismissed Shula after this season. Who knows though? Definitely not outside the realm of possibilities. Interesting, though I hope it's not true for stability's sake.

[pc72687]

Trading coaches around leads to medicore seasons, we know that all too well at SC. Let a coach stay for awhile before you fire him. It give him a chance to field a few of his teams (ie a roster full of his players). This is an interesting development though.

[AFWarrior83]

:laugh: Tim,

If you're trying to be funny, you're not. You haven't been here long enough to know anything about me or who I know. I'm sure many of the veterans here can vouch for me. Hell, ask the user Jay Lupo about the Arkansas Baseball steroid scandal that I reported 3 whole days before any other media outlet got it.

Put simply, right now this has not been confirmed so don't get your panties in a wad. Given my past reports though, I'm batting around 85%. :happy:

Let me know if you hear anything on Nutt leaving!!

[AU Blaaaaaaaake]

Then I'll will become an Auburn fan :barf:

You're welcome too anytime man! :happy: Just let me know and I'll bring ya a fear the thumb tshirt when I'm in t-town for the game :laugh:

[BamaDude06]

Because schools give their coaches raises with huge buyouts so they can fire them the next year. Moore and Whitt will go before Shula is fired this year.

[timNem]

You're welcome too anytime man! :happy: Just let me know and I'll bring ya a fear the thumb tshirt when I'm in t-town for the game :laugh:Thanks dude, I'll wear it proudly :cool:

[Neo]

Because schools give their coaches raises with huge buyouts so they can fire them the next year. Moore and Whitt will go before Shula is fired this year.


You are correct about the buy-outs and raises, but that doesn't mean anything really. If anything, Alabama was spoiled by the Bear and they have very little patience when it comes to building programs.

Looking at Shula's record objectively, he's not that great. He's been somewhat successful, but not good enough for the Bama faithful. Can anyone with a clear conscience tell me otherwise? :mellow:

Mike Shula
2003-Present: 23-19-0

You do the math.... :mellow:

[Jay_Lupo]

I can definitely vouch for Neo on this. Now is this specific rumor true? I have no clue, and I'd be surprised if it was. But I'm a sports writer in ARkansas with virtual 24/7 access to information on the Razorbacks, and he told me about the steriod stuff at least a day before I heard anything at the office.

I don't know who they are, or how the hell he's got them, but he's been right about some things he's gotten from his sources.

Again though, I think Alabama would be jumping the gun a little bit if this is true at this point. With their schedule, however, it could end up being this way at the end, unfortunately. Things could get pretty restless down in Tuscaloosa this year. Brutal schedule, they blew a completely winnable game in Fayetteville and they've got two SEC losses with Auburn, LSU and Tennessee still left on the schedule.

[timNem]

You are correct about the buy-outs and raises, but that doesn't mean anything really. If anything, Alabama was spoiled by the Bear and they have very little patience when it comes to building programs.

Looking at Shula's record objectively, he's not that great. He's been somewhat successful, but not good enough for the Bama faithful. Can anyone with a clear conscience tell me otherwise? :mellow:

Mike Shula
2003-Present: 23-19-0

You do the math.... :mellow:Being part of the Bama faithful the 23-19 record would be unacceptable. When you factor in the circumstances under which that record stands and the fact that it has improved each year, I would have to say that he has done a decent job with the cards he was dealt. For UA to fire a coach right now would be more devastating to the program than it would be to go 3-9 on the season. The Fran/Price debacle will prevent this from ever happening. Then again what do I know?

[Neo]

I can definitely vouch for Neo on this. Now is this specific rumor true? I have no clue, and I'd be surprised if it was. But I'm a sports writer in ARkansas with virtual 24/7 access to information on the Razorbacks, and he told me about the steriod stuff at least a day before I heard anything at the office.

I don't know who they are, or how the hell he's got them, but he's been right about some things he's gotten from his sources.


Thanks for the kind words Jay. It looks like I'm going to have to earn some folks trust the hard way. :laugh: For starters, here are the facts:

1. This rumor is right now a rumor. I've heard it from a few peeps, but I haven't been able to confirm it's validity beyond a reasonable doubt.

2. Like I've said before. I know a lot of powerful people in high places and I have a lot of family all over the southeast. Some of which work at various SEC institutions within the athletic departments.

3. For the record, I don't have any friends or family in Arkansas. I got that steroid story from one of my peeps currently working at the University of Alabama.

[Neo]

Being part of the Bama faithful the 23-19 record would be unacceptable. When you factor in the circumstances under which that record stands and the fact that it has improved each year, I would have to say that he has done a decent job with the cards he was dealt. For UA to fire a coach right now would be more devastating to the program than it would be to go 3-9 on the season. The Fran/Price debacle will prevent this from ever happening. Then again what do I know?


Do not mistake what I'm saying. I do NOT think they should fire Mr. Shula, but it's not up to me. Personally, he inherited a load of crap that wasn't his fault. Given the circumstances, he has done a pretty good job with the hand he was dealt.

Then again, on the other hand. He knew what he was getting into when he accepted the job.

[AUChamps]

Do not mistake what I'm saying. I do NOT think they should fire Mr. Shula, but it's not up to me. Personally, he inherited a load of crap that wasn't his fault. Given the circumstances, he has done a pretty good job with the hand he was dealt.

Then again, on the other hand. He knew what he was getting into when he accepted the job.
Neo, have any of your sources mentioned anything about a possible SEC Network taking hold in 2008, similar to the proposed Big 10 Network, and would it be affiliated with a major Network in terms of coverage or would everything be done "in house"?

[Neo]

Neo, have any of your sources mentioned anything about a possible SEC Network taking hold in 2008, similar to the proposed Big 10 Network, and would it be affiliated with a major Network in terms of coverage or would everything be done "in house"?



Not yet, but stay tuned. As soon as I hear something, I will post it here first. :happy:

[Bburton86]

Neo, have any of your sources mentioned anything about a possible SEC Network taking hold in 2008, similar to the proposed Big 10 Network, and would it be affiliated with a major Network in terms of coverage or would everything be done "in house"?


Uhhh, you don't really need to be an insider to figure that out. It's been well reported that Slive is seriously considering it. He is going to see how to Big 10 thing works out.

[AUChamps]

Uhhh, you don't really need to be an insider to figure that out. It's been well reported that Slive is seriously considering it. He is going to see how to Big 10 thing works out.
But we don't know the "model" that the SEC Network would be. Would it be CBS/FSN/ESPN Coverage simply rebranded and created for SEC Network, or would it be a Brand New Network with facilities in Birmingham(Where the SEC is HQ'd) and all the games broadcast on LF currently would instead be done by SEC Network crews and commentary?

[Neo]

http://www.firemikeshula.com/ :ohmy:

[DIXIE'S PRIDE]

Neo Neo Neo,

IMHO: this is absurd. C'mon now. I am a subscriber to more than one TIDE site and diligent reader of every magazine/newspaper in the South via sportpages.com. I have friends in every part of the state of Alabama with varied influence (nowhere) has this come up. Of course this board seems bound and determined to tear down the crimson community at every turn, moreover individuals like myself provide fuel for the fire out out of pride which doesn't help. But one thing is certain Coach Shula is not going to be replaced at the end of the season.

Food for thought:

Do you ever remember a coach having 100 days to prepare a team for SEC play 4-9, was a historically tragic season for BAMA, but UA, the media, and all intelligent football fans understood the circumstances in which Coach Shula inherited the program and he is not held ultimalely responsible for that season.

2004 - injuries all over the place, lost starting QB,TB, FB, and others bowl game 6-6 toss up.

2005 - 9- 0 ranked in top 3 (beats TN) still undersigned. Losses two big game to two very talented teams one finished in top 5 other is currently ranked #2. Overcomes adversity and beats a the top offense in the country, wins the Cotton Bowl and chalks up 10 win season (1 out of 3 teams to do so in SEC in 2005).

2006 - 3-2 loss at Ark was sad but BAMA took it in stride and took it to the Gators the very next week. According to the experts we are right where we should be, right? or maybe 4-1(if not for 3 bad kicks we'd be there).

New QB better than advertised, youngest O-line in the SEC but still have two of the best in Caldwell and Smith with years left to play. Two of top 4 wide outs in league, lots of running backs, new Defense is still top 30 in nation.

Record with Shula in full control: 19 - 10 with 2 bowl appearances ( Cotton Bowl victory).

Why would he be fired? He won't be, but it does make for good conversation. This one is definitely in your 15%. RTR

[Neo]

Neo Neo Neo,

IMHO: this is absurd. C'mon now. I am a subscriber to more than one TIDE site and diligent reader of every magazine/newspaper in the South via sportpages.com. I have friends in every part of the state of Alabama with varied influence (nowhere) has this come up.



That doesn't mean that it's not true. Facts are facts. The Bama faithful are not happy and they vote with their wallets and voice. I also know people that say they saw Elvis eating a Cheese Coney at the local Dairy Queen. Talk is cheap dude.




Of course this board seems bound and determined to tear down the crimson community at every turn, moreover individuals like myself provide fuel for the fire out out of pride which doesn't help.




Would it surprise you to know that the owner of this site is a Bammer? I bet you didn't know that. As for the other, no one is trying to tear down anything. If I hear something no matter who it affects, it's news and it's gonna get posted. I pull no punches even when it's my own team that is catching the flack.

The fact is, two (2) of my peeps told me about this and I'm investigating it now. Before you immediately write it off, you may wanna look at it from a non-biased view.

[AUChamps]

Neo, you're the Bob Woodward of SECTalk. Who's gonna be Carl Bernstein?

[DIXIE'S PRIDE]

When facts become facts let us all know. 'Til then keep dodgin' bullets and spinnin' the rumor mill.

[BamaDude06]

http://www.firemikeshula.com/ :ohmy:

If you look at that site and think its run by a true Bama fan then I've got some beachfront property in North Dakota to sell you.

[TigerFanatic]

if bama fires shula it'll be the biggest self inflicted kick in the ass i've ever seen. for one, he doesn't deserve the axe. look what he's done with the utter crap he inherited. though i'm a little disspointed in his handling of the simpson situation, but he's brought a sense of ligitimacy and cleanliness to the program. keeping him will give a sense of continuity and stability which will bring in more recruits. NO kid wants to go to a school where next year or the year after he will lose the coach who recruited him.

[Crimson Kicker8]

You are correct about the buy-outs and raises, but that doesn't mean anything really. If anything, Alabama was spoiled by the Bear and they have very little patience when it comes to building programs.

Looking at Shula's record objectively, he's not that great. He's been somewhat successful, but not good enough for the Bama faithful. Can anyone with a clear conscience tell me otherwise? :mellow:

Mike Shula
2003-Present: 23-19-0

You do the math.... :mellow:

I don't think this will be the case at all. Yes, Alabama has been spoiled by the success of the Bear, but they have also seen too many disappointing seasons since then and are not willing to drop axes this quickly. If Shula goes 7-5 this season and bowling (as many of you have predicted) then his job will be safe. His record at Alabama isn't stellar but he's shown steady improvement, and that counts for something. Of course, matching 10-2 of last year will be a long shot to say the least but he's still learning the fundamentals of being a head coach and I think most Bama fans (not all) understand that and are patient with him. The combination of probation and Price sent some nasty shochwaves through UA, it shook up people enough to want coaching stability over immediate success. All in all Shula is doing enough for the Bama faithful (saying this with a clear conscience) and he is well liked in Tuscaloosa and by most Bama fans. Shula's job will be safe this year. If you are right, and the bonehead administrators at UA are more boneheaded then I give them credit for, then I'll be extremely disappointed in the way the "suits" have further hurt Alabama football and I'll be eating some crow.

[msgadawg]

What About Croom! Hey We will take suggestions for someone to take Sly's Place at State! HA,, I figure we wait for the next A&M coach (Fran) to fall and pick him up,, Seems to have been the norm over the years for us! HA.... Guess we could pull in Slocum as AD and Fran as HC... I know I am dreaming,, We are Stuck with Sly!

[pc72687]

Better start buying that beach front property because SECtalk is run buy a bama fan.

[bamagirl]

If you look at that site and think its run by a true Bama fan then I've got some beachfront property in North Dakota to sell you.
Hey u dumba$$, Neo was talking about the SEC Talk site. Get your facts straight before you start blasting him! He's one of the best! Go get'em Neo!

[BamaFever06]

Hey u dumba$$, Neo was talking about the SEC Talk site. Get your facts straight before you start blasting him! He's one of the best! Go get'em Neo!

And I think Bamadude was reffering to firemikeshula.com. Maybe you should take your own advice and get your facts straight. Dumbass.

[pc72687]

I think Bama girl realized that Bamafever, she was just pointing it out that he was confused and jumping on Neo for something that he himself was confused about.

[DIXIE'S PRIDE]

Waiting on the shockwaves from T-Town?

[Noah.Dreams]

Let's review the facts before we follow the lemmings off the cliff.

Shula was given a significant raise and contract extension over the summer of 2006. He gives the program stablity and leadership.

I am proud to say that the Alabama fan base, any media reporter or outside meddlers (Jesse Jackson) does not have the slightest affect of a coaches future at Alabama. There is a small private group (Machine) of extremely influential former players (Jordan, Neighbors, Perkins, etc) that advise the Athletic Director, President and Board of Regents on personnel changes.

Mike Shula is golden. As well as the entire football staff.

Next Issue.

[BamaDude06]

Hey u dumba$$, Neo was talking about the SEC Talk site. Get your facts straight before you start blasting him! He's one of the best! Go get'em Neo!

Open your eyes before you start namecalling. Notice how above my statement it said
www.firemikeshula.com :ohmy:

[AUChamps]

The Machine might want change.

Why's Ray Perkins building a new house in Tuscaloosa and keeping an eye out for Mal Moore's job?

[Noah.Dreams]

The Machine might want change.

Why's Ray Perkins building a new house in Tuscaloosa and keeping an eye out for Mal Moore's job?
Because Tuscaloosa is a beautiful place to live.

Next Issue.

[goallthewayua]

Sorry Neo, but I have to wave a BS flag at this one. I would have found this rumor a little more credable if your source hadn't used Petrino or Bowden as the possible canadates for replacement. There just isn't anyway that the Bammers could get them after this season and here is why:

In July of 06 Petrino signed a 10 year contract extention that runs through 2015 for (and get this) $1.6 million for this season, increasing to $2.6 million at the end of the contract, for an overall base salary of $18.6 million over 10 years! And Thats not all, the deal also includes $5 million in loyalty bonuses spread over the course of the contract, and performance incentives worth up to $766,666 million in the first season and increasing to just over $1 million by the end of the deal. However, there is a very linent by-out option set at $1 million if another school or team lures Petrino away.

Anyway, the by-out option is pretty much in place for an NFL HC position rather then another college (consequently he has already turned down the Raiders). Not to mention he sounds like he is very happy in Louisville. Not only that, but he already turned down Auburn when Tubberville was on the hot seat.

In 2003 Shula signed a 6 year contract extention for a $150,000 a year in base salary and $750,000 in "talent fees" so he basically makes $900,000 a season. In 2006 he was awarded another year to 2010.

So lets assume that Patrino would go to Tuscaloosa if they only matched his current contract. Here is what the deal would look like to bama,

$18,600,000 (10 year base salary) + $5,000,000 (loyalty bonus) + $1,000,000 (other incentives) + $1,000,000 (contract by out) + $3,600,000 (Shula's current contract) = a $28,600,000 overall 10 year contract!

To break it down annually it would cost Bama $2,860,000 a year (Keep in mind, just matching what Louisville is paying him and its highly unlikely he would leave for just a matching contract) to offer Petrino.

Consequently, currently the highest paid coach in the SEC is Mark Richt who has an 8 year (2014) $2,000,000 contract with Georgia.

However, Tommy Bowden's contract with Clemson is only good through 2007. His current contract amount is anywhere from $1.1 million to $1.4 million, depending on the number of victories and the Tigers' success in winning Atlantic Coast Conference championships, bowl games, Bowl Championship Series games and the national title.

Looking at this and assuming Bowden would leave for a matching offer bama would have to pay at most:

$1,400,000 (year left on Clemson contract) + $1,400,000 (bama contract) + $900,000 (Shula's contract) = $3,700,000 (1st year) then $2,300,000 until 2010, then only $1,400,000 (assuming there were no raises, bonus', ect) every year after that.

Oh and don't read too much into the whole firemikeshula.com deal. Here is some more

Tommy Tuberville- http://www.al.com/forums/tigertalk/index.ssf?artid=2214

Philip Fulmer-

http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/silence/archives/2006/06/fire_fulmer_now.shtml

Mark Richt (yes I looked at it)- http://www.firemarkricht.com/

Urban Meyer- http://www.feyermeyer.com/pages/1/index.htm

Les Miles-

http://www.capnken.com/wisdom/index.php?/archives/1422-Fire-Les-Miles.html

and of course my personal faves (no sarcasm)

http://www.nuttsucks.com/index.php?s=280

http://www.gopetition.com.au/online/7336.html

So long story short, if your source would have used a coach like Steve Kragthorpe (who we are also looking at incase we can't get Butch) or another up and commer who wouldn't cost over $2,000,000 annually then I would have found this rumor more credible. As it is, I call this one BS for now.

[AUChamps]

Because Tuscaloosa is a beautiful place to live.

Next Issue.
Will 'Bama ever forgive Fran for what he did?

The man is paying for his mistakes in Karma; the least Alabama can do is quit being so hateful toward Fran.

[AUChamps]

Steve Kragthorpe is the Tulsa Coach right?

The whole team looked good against USM a few nights ago.

[goallthewayua]

Steve Kragthorpe is the Tulsa Coach right?

The whole team looked good against USM a few nights ago.

Ya, he is and he has really turned that program around. Speaking for most of the Razorback fans I know, if we can't get Butch Davis then he is a solid #2. I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.

[Noah.Dreams]

Will 'Bama ever forgive Fran for what he did?

The man is paying for his mistakes in Karma; the least Alabama can do is quit being so hateful toward Fran.
Actually, Fran leaving was a win-win for both sides. I think everyone is happy with the results.

[Crimson Kicker8]

Will 'Bama ever forgive Fran for what he did?

The man is paying for his mistakes in Karma; the least Alabama can do is quit being so hateful toward Fran.

Nope, and they shouldn't. We all enjoy watching Karma take its toll on Fran. If Bama fans wanna forgive Fran, that's fine. If they don't, that's fine. Remember all of those numbers Alabama fans keep reciting that everyone gets sick of hearing of? Same concept, an elephant never forgets. Personally I don't see a reason to forgive the man.

[timNem]

The Machine might want change.

Why's Ray Perkins building a new house in Tuscaloosa and keeping an eye out for Mal Moore's job?Perkins and Shula are actually pretty tight.

[geechee]

But we don't know the "model" that the SEC Network would be. Would it be CBS/FSN/ESPN Coverage simply rebranded and created for SEC Network, or would it be a Brand New Network with facilities in Birmingham(Where the SEC is HQ'd) and all the games broadcast on LF currently would instead be done by SEC Network crews and commentary?
The SEC would still keep contracts with national media and the money that comes with that. They would not kill the golden goose. The network would probably show games that were not picked up by other networks and sports not covered by TV and there of course would be talk shows.

[timNem]

Nope, and they shouldn't. We all enjoy watching Karma take its toll on Fran. If Bama fans wanna forgive Fran, that's fine. If they don't, that's fine. Remember all of those numbers Alabama fans keep reciting that everyone gets sick of hearing of? Same concept, an elephant never forgets. Personally I don't see a reason to forgive the man.
Being a mere spectator, it would be easier for me to forget Fran than it would be for the players tht he left 'holding the rope'.<-- Another reason why I would be absolutely shocked if Bama ever hired another HC outside the family.

[DIXIE'S PRIDE]

Who is Fran? lol

Nevermind displaced midwesterner with the yellow streak runnin' down the middle of his back? Same guy? Or is there another yellow bellied embarassment to the coaching profession that I don't know about?

I have less respect for that creep than i could express in words. Faggot punk comes to mind.

[BamaFreak]

http://members.cox.net/crimsonjazz/pics/worsttopicever.jpg

[oldgrandpa]

I believe Shula will be around for a long time. He is only going to improve!

[palmettocock]

I believe Shula will be around for a long time. He is only going to improve!
Welcome to SEC Talk! I love the screename haha

[scfan5338]

No way in hell Tommy Bowden leaves Clemson. He had a great class last year and this year he gets Willy Korn. Clemson is loaded and they will be for years to come. I couldnt see Tommy leaving Clemson unless if was for like USC(fake one) or Texas or something huge where there is a lot of talent and where people are talking national title cotention.

[WallyGoat]

Butch Davis is still available. I would seriously like to see some coaching changes.

Sorry Bama Nation, but I am getting tired of losing close ones and just scraping by for a win.

[GatorNation]

I have a difficult time believing Bama wants to get rid of Shula.

This is probably one of those internet rumors that happens after an ugly win/loss.

[BamaDude06]

Butch Davis is still available. I would seriously like to see some coaching changes.

Sorry Bama Nation, but I am getting tired of losing close ones and just scraping by for a win.

What were you thoughts on Stallings then? We won alot of close games with him.

Duke is better than their record indicates. They can play really however they want because they hve nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[WallyGoat]

I have a difficult time believing Bama wants to get rid of Shula.

This is probably one of those internet rumors that happens after an ugly win/loss.

Well if he stinks it up against Ole Miss then loses to UT, LSU, and AU...he's gone. I like the man, he's a good man, but Shula just doesn't have that spark like Stallings did. When Ron Zook stunk it up at UF, you guys took the best available, I'd like for UA to do the same.

The next two games will determine the future of CMS and Alabama.

[WallyGoat]

What were you thoughts on Stallings then? We won alot of close games with him.

Duke is better than their record indicates. They can play really however they want because they hve nothing to lose and everything to gain.

My thoughts on Stallings is that he never had to escape an 0-4, now 0-5 Duke team who had lost 12 straight, now 13.

Duke is not better than their record indicates. They lost to Richmond, a less than stellar Virginia team shut them out 37-0. They are not better than advertised.

[BamaDude06]

Who would want to take a job when their predescessor was fired after taking over a program on MAJOR NCAA Infractions, had them 10-2 in just three seasons, only to go maybe 7-5 with the team with the most redshirt freshmen and true freshmen in the SEC on their depth chart?

If you want us to become a bottom feeder, then go ahead, fire Shula. If he still has these kind of problems in 2008, then ok, maybe we can get rid of him.

[BamaDude06]

My thoughts on Stallings is that he never had to escape an 0-4, now 0-5 Duke team who had lost 12 straight, now 13.

Duke is not better than their record indicates. They lost to Richmond, a less than stellar Virginia team shut them out 37-0. They are not better than advertised.


Arkansas lost to USC by how much? Then beat Auburn by how much?

Our defense was not in the game the first half though.

[GatorNation]

No way in hell Tommy Bowden leaves Clemson. He had a great class last year and this year he gets Willy Korn. Clemson is loaded and they will be for years to come. I couldnt see Tommy leaving Clemson unless if was for like USC(fake one) or Texas or something huge where there is a lot of talent and where people are talking national title cotention.
And no way Davis takes the Bama job.

He'll wait a few more games until Coker is fired and take the scUM job: (1) He's already connected down there and (2) he knows that 2001 NC was basically his.

[Neo]

with the most redshirt freshmen and true freshmen in the SEC on their depth chart?


I don't know about that. USC started 12 freshmen on defense and I believe we're starting 4-6 on offense. :mellow:

[BamaDude06]

I don't know about that. USC started 12 freshmen on defense and I believe we're starting 4-6 on offense. :mellow:

Not necessairly starters, but overall depth chart.

[timNem]

Who would want to take a job when their predescessor was fired after taking over a program on MAJOR NCAA Infractions, had them 10-2 in just three seasons, only to go maybe 7-5 with the team with the most redshirt freshmen and true freshmen in the SEC on their depth chart?

If you want us to become a bottom feeder, then go ahead, fire Shula. If he still has these kind of problems in 2008, then ok, maybe we can get rid of him.
:soapbox: :soapbox: :soapbox: :soapbox:


All these Bama fans who talk about firing Shula I wonder if they were the President or AD would they pull the plug on Shula, would they be willing to send us the into a downward spiral again just because Shula doesn't have a magic wand to turn our young players into veterans? Why is it that when things don't go exactly the way you expect it to you have some people who have to find someone to blame? Just accept the fact that we have a young team and it shows in the red zone with all the penalties when we get there. I truly believe that once our quality numbers are there some folks are going to have trouble removing the foot from their mouths.

[Cianne]

with the most redshirt freshmen and true freshmen in the SEC on their depth chart?

How many is that? I know we've played more freshmen than anyone in the SEC.

[BamaDude06]

The roster breakdown is 13 fifth-year seniors, six seniors, 20 juniors, 21 sophomores, 21 redshirt freshmen and 25 freshmen. The Tide has eight senior starters.

[AUChamps]

:soapbox: :soapbox: :soapbox: :soapbox:


All these Bama fans who talk about firing Shula I wonder if they were the President or AD would they pull the plug on Shula, would they be willing to send us the into a downward spiral again just because Shula doesn't have a magic wand to turn our young players into veterans? Why is it that when things don't go exactly the way you expect it to you have some people who have to find someone to blame? Just accept the fact that we have a young team and it shows in the red zone with all the penalties when we get there. I truly believe that once our quality numbers are there some folks are going to have trouble removing the foot from their mouths.
Bad example.

I'm sure there're a lot of fans and alumni that want to see Mal Moore and Robert Witt wheeled out of town along with Mike Shula.

[timNem]

Bad example.

I'm sure there're a lot of fans and alumni that want to see Mal Moore and Robert Witt wheeled out of town along with Mike Shula.I don't know much about Witt but why would anybody want to see Moore wheeled out of town with all he has done with all the renovations and all? The same folks would have been calling for Bryant's head too with his boring offense and punting on 3rd downs and such.

[Noah.Dreams]

This just in. I have just overheard two old guys in the john state that Mal Moore has offered them both the job.

Check back at 11:00, when I'll let you know if my sister has accepted the defensive coordinator job.

[AUChamps]

I don't know much about Witt but why would anybody want to see Moore wheeled out of town with all he has done with all the renovations and all? The same folks would have been calling for Bryant's head too with his boring offense and punting on 3rd downs and such.
Witt's a nerd, but a nerd that thinks Mike Shula is the best thing to happen to Alabam Football since Bear Bryant. Mal Moore likes Dr. Witt and Shula, and if the President, AD, and Football Coach think that everything's alright; then nothing will change.

Simple as that.

[BamaDude06]

Witt's a nerd, but a nerd that thinks Mike Shula is the best thing to happen to Alabam Football since Bear Bryant. Mal Moore likes Dr. Witt and Shula, and if the President, AD, and Football Coach think that everything's alright; then nothing will change.

Simple as that.

Whitt's a nerd that is leading to some of the best things to happen to UA in a long time. (ditto with Moore and the Athletics Department)

[GatorNation]

I think the worst thing bama could do is fire Shula. I think it would set the program back considerably, imo.

[BamaDude06]

I think the worst thing bama could do is fire Shula. I think it would set the program back considerably, imo.

And luckily I think the majority of Bama fans and our AD understand this.

[AUChamps]

I think the worst thing bama could do is fire Shula. I think it would set the program back considerably, imo.
Says the school that fired Ron Zook 3 years into his coaching tenure and currently is #2 in the nation with Urban Meyer as coach.

[GatorNation]

Says the school that fired Ron Zook 3 years into his coaching tenure and currently is #2 in the nation with Urban Meyer as coach.

You're really equating Ron Zook with Shula?

Wow.

:wacko:

[AUChamps]

You're really equating Ron Zook with Shula?

Wow.

:wacko:
Ron Zook was a better coach at Florida then Shula is at 'Bama.

You guys got fed up and got a better coach after 3 years with Zook, and I don't see UF looking like a laughingstock of the SEC right now.

Get rid of Shula, snatch up a better coach and you might be #2 in the nation in 2 years too. That is, unless you like losing to Auburn and other SEC Powers year in and year out. Shula recruited well too, so it's not like a new coach would come into a program with a bare cubbard.

[BamaDude06]

Ron Zook was a better coach at Florida then Shula is at 'Bama.

You guys got fed up and got a better coach after 3 years with Zook, and I don't see UF looking like a laughingstock of the SEC right now.

Get rid of Shula, snatch up a better coach and you might be #2 in the nation in 2 years too. That is, unless you like losing to Auburn and other SEC Powers year in and year out. Shula recruited well too, so it's not like a new coach would come into a program with a bare cubbard.

Also look at what Zook came into vs. what Shula came into. Yeah Florida is #2, how many are also Zook's players? (idk, but I would think most were)

[AUChamps]

Also look at what Zook came into vs. what Shula came into. Yeah Florida is #2, how many are also Zook's players? (idk, but I would think most were)
That's why I said Shula recruited well too; and that a better Coach could come in and do with that talent with Meyer has done with Zook's talent.

[BamaDude06]

Name one coach who would want Bama's job if we fired Shula after what he came in to?

[AUChamps]

Name one coach who would want Bama's job if we fired Shula after what he came in to?
Butch Davis.

[timNem]

Butch Davis.Davis turned it down before when Price was hired. You can't compare what Zook did with what Shulas had to rebuild. Its not fair. It like giving a coach a basketball team with only 3 players, you can't really pass judgement on the coach until he is on a level playing field. People seem to forget that NCAA Sanctions have long term effect. There is no effect until after the third year.

[AUChamps]

Davis turned it down before when Price was hired. You can't compare what Zook did with what Shulas had to rebuild. Its not fair. It like giving a coach a basketball team with only 3 players, you can't really pass judgement on the coach until he is on a level playing field. People seem to forget that NCAA Sanctions have long term effect. There is no effect until after the third year.
Ok fine. I'll name 2 coaches that would be willing to take the Alabama Job:

-Dennis Franchione
-Mike Price

[BamaDude06]

OK, someone that hasn't already burned their bridges to Bama.

[AUChamps]

OK, someone that hasn't already burned their bridges to Bama.
-Bobby Johnson
-(I know he's an old man but he also knows how to win)Lou Holtz
-The Tulsa Coach

[timNem]

Ok fine. I'll name 2 coaches that would be willing to take the Alabama Job:

-Dennis Franchione
-Mike Price
Maybe Fran would like to have that job back but I don't think he would be safe in the state of Alabama with POTUS's Secret Service detail.

[BamaDude06]

-(I know he's an old man but he also knows how to win)Lou Holtz


Bama is still on probation mind you and we DONT need any more violations.

[GatorNation]

Ron Zook was a better coach at Florida then Shula is at 'Bama.

You guys got fed up and got a better coach after 3 years with Zook, and I don't see UF looking like a laughingstock of the SEC right now.

Get rid of Shula, snatch up a better coach and you might be #2 in the nation in 2 years too. That is, unless you like losing to Auburn and other SEC Powers year in and year out. Shula recruited well too, so it's not like a new coach would come into a program with a bare cubbard.
Zook lost 5 games a year....and that came after Spur's great run. He had the talent and the system already in place. The decline was all Zook. There wasn't anyone or anything else to blame. Shula is trying to build a program back up from probation and rough times. Zook was taking it down from its once lofty perch. Not the same at all, and I think his struggles at IL prove that.

Many people thought Meyer was a special coach. So, it's possible that a top-flight talent might be able to create such a turnaround, but I don't see many around right now. I thought Hawkins was sort of one of those coaches, but CU is struggling pretty badly right now.

Maybe the guy from UCF? He's done a nice job so far.

[Cianne]

Not the same at all, and I think his struggles at IL prove that.

Are you trying to say that Shula is better than Zook because Zook can't rebuilt Illinois while Shula can rebuild Alabama?

[GatorNation]

Are you trying to say that Shula is better than Zook because Zook can't rebuilt Illinois while Shula can rebuild Alabama?
Yeah, in so many words. Illinois is a BAD team that, somehow, beat MSU last week but lost to Rutgers and Indiana. They went 2-9 last season as well. The coach they fired won 3 games in 2004.

:rolleyes:

If Zook was a great HC, IL would have improved at least a little bit by being in a new system (a la Meyer going 9-3).

[Cianne]

Dude, you know that Illinois can't get players. All high profile players in that state are immediately raided by the Big Ten powerhouses and Notre Dame. Then they trickle down to Northwestern.

Alabama has a lot to offer a recruit in terms of recent success and tradition, if you wanna play that card. Illinois' tradition is pretty much Red Grange, and that's it.

[GatorNation]

Dude, you know that Illinois can't get players. All high profile players in that state are immediately raided by the Big Ten powerhouses and Notre Dame. Then they trickle down to Northwestern.

Alabama has a lot to offer a recruit in terms of recent success and tradition, if you wanna play that card. Illinois' tradition is pretty much Red Grange, and that's it.
If Montana State can beat Colorado, Zook should be able to beat Indiana with the water boy and his family.

They may not compete with the Big 10 powerhouses, but they get enough to do more than they've been doing the last few years.

Juice Williams isn't the worst QB I've seen playing D-1A football.

[cocky4ever]

-(I know he's an old man but he also knows how to win)Lou Holtz

You obviously never watched any of the games SC played in the last 3 years of Holtz' being the HC.

[Crimson Kicker8]

Leave Shula where he is. The guy's made some calls this year that have really made me yell at my TV (playing for field goals instead of TD's against Arkansas) but I take that all in stride. The probation woes are finally starting to be purged from the team's ability to recruit, firing Shula now would be the same as putting Bama on probation again for least two years and I could really do without re-living the 03 and 04 seasons. The talent is there and soon the depth will be too, Shula will learn from his play calling mistakes and hopefully will learn how to win the close games BEFORE they go into overtime. Not to mention with Shula goes Kines and I don't know about you guys but I really like what he's done with our defense. So far this season we lost a game we absolutely should have won and another against a better team who is number 2 right now....I can deal with that as a fan.

[Noah.Dreams]

Ron Zook was a better coach at Florida then Shula is at 'Bama.

You guys got fed up and got a better coach after 3 years with Zook, and I don't see UF looking like a laughingstock of the SEC right now.

Get rid of Shula, snatch up a better coach and you might be #2 in the nation in 2 years too. That is, unless you like losing to Auburn and other SEC Powers year in and year out. Shula recruited well too, so it's not like a new coach would come into a program with a bare cubbard.hey hey hey, this guy (AUChamps) sounds real familiar to me....

I'VE GOT IT!

Boys, what we've got here is Paul Finebaum in the flesh....

Everyone say howdy to Mr. Finebaum!

[AUChamps]

hey hey hey, this guy (AUChamps) sounds real familiar to me....

I'VE GOT IT!

Boys, what we've got here is Paul Finebaum in the flesh....

Everyone say howdy to Mr. Finebaum!
Actually I've been more compared to Neil Vickers then Paul, but either way it's all good. Someday maybe the show will come to Atlanta.

[uscrules]

What were you thoughts on Stallings then? We won alot of close games with him.

Duke is better than their record indicates. They can play really however they want because they hve nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Duke would have to be better than there record. Actually they have some decent players, one from right here at Brynes High School, John Talley.

[DIXIE'S PRIDE]

Please give up the fire Mike Shula scenario! It is not going to happen! Granted Alabama did not play well and Coach Shula has made mistakes but 2 years ago BAMA loses that game and they didn't they won. New QB, youngest O-line in the SEC, 7 new starters on D, and 58 players that had never played a game coming into the season. GIVE IT A REST! The fact remains that despite all the controversy Coach Shula is right wear the media, and level headed fans predicted we would be. Yes, they gave the Arkansas game away, but then again the HOGs had to score to win, right? Yes, ALABAMA ran out of gas against Florida but the GATORS are the BEST TEAM in the SEC maybe the country. Yes, Duke was an inferior team and Alabama was not up for the game, but the 2nd half was 20-0 with TD's by offense and defense, QB passed for 200 yds and 2 Tds, Darby had 115 and 5.4 per carry, DJ and KB both caught TD passings and are top 5 receivers in league. Defense is still learning but scoring points in the process, top 2 TO margin in SEC. By the way BAMA had a 77 yd TD wiped of the board and a 50 punt return, since the Auburn and Lsu fans are playing the what if game that would be 44 - 14 and we would have little talk about DUKE.

And Auburn got drilled not a bad week in retro if you really think about it.

[Crimson Kicker8]

Please give up the fire Mike Shula scenario! It is not going to happen! Granted Alabama did not play well and Coach Shula has made mistakes but 2 years ago BAMA loses that game and they didn't they won. New QB, youngest O-line in the SEC, 7 new starters on D, and 58 players that had never played a game coming into the season. GIVE IT A REST! The fact remains that despite all the controversy Coach Shula is right wear the media, and level headed fans predicted we would be. Yes, they gave the Arkansas game away, but then again the HOGs had to score to win, right? Yes, ALABAMA ran out of gas against Florida but the GATORS are the BEST TEAM in the SEC maybe the country. Yes, Duke was an inferior team and Alabama was not up for the game, but the 2nd half was 20-0 with TD's by offense and defense, QB passed for 200 yds and 2 Tds, Darby had 115 and 5.4 per carry, DJ and KB both caught TD passings and are top 5 receivers in league. Defense is still learning but scoring points in the process, top 2 TO margin in SEC.

And Auburn got drilled not a bad week in retro if you really think about it.

Yeah, what he said.

[DIXIE'S PRIDE]

Thanks for the back up. RTR!!!!!!!

[BAMALARRY]

[b]it's Just A Rumor That Auburn Started..he Just Signed A Great Contract For 5 Years. He's Not Going Nowhere..he's Got Alot Of His Dad In Him..he Just Needs To Get Going And Keep The Team Playing Better..

[Lud0]

That is the dumbest shit I have ever read. Horrible, horrible idea for review Neo.

[Noah.Dreams]

That is the dumbest shit I have ever read. Horrible, horrible idea for review Neo.
Did you notice that the WWW.FIRESTEVESPURRIER.COM (http://www.FIRESTEVESPURRIER.COM) threat didn't make the front page?

What's up with that?

[Lud0]

Why would it? It's his team.

[Neo]

Did you notice that the WWW.FIRESPURRIER.COM (http://www.FIRESPURRIER.COM) threat didn't make the front page?

What's up with that?



Don't even try to question my integrity Noah. You obviously have selective eyesight when it suits you.

Front page news? How about the...

Blake Mitchell Arrest
USC players arrested in a barfight
Kerry Bonds being kicked off the team.
Matthew Thomas' suspension
James Banks suspension (UT)
Major Parker/Drug Charges (UF)
USC players arrested for theft


Why don't you just scroll through the SECTalk.com News Section if you think I'm bluffing. :blink:

Don't ever question my motives without knowing the facts. This Bama vs. the world argument is really getting old. :brick:

[Lud0]

Don't even try to question my integrity Noah. You obviously have selective eyesight when it suits you.

Front page news? How about the...

Blake Mitchell Arrest
USC players arrested in a barfight
Kerry Bonds being kicked off the team.
Matthew Thomas' suspension
James Banks suspension (UT)
Major Parker/Drug Charges (UF)
USC players arrested for theft


Why don't you just scroll through the SECTalk.com News Section if you think I'm bluffing. :blink:

Don't ever question my motives without knowing the facts. This Bama vs. the world argument is really getting old. :brick:

Those stories were actual news though, not rumors. I would guess that would be the beef.

[Neo]

Those stories were actual news though, not rumors. I would guess that would be the beef.



Cry me a freakin river why don't ya....

This "Everyone is picking on Bama" crap has got to go. Everyone is tired of hearing the "woe is me" from Bama every single day. Give it a rest. Noone gives a damn. :thumbsdow


It's obvious that you didn't read those articles because some of them were RUMORS that were reported to me by my peeps and later confirmed by the local media. :whistle:

BTW: We all know what Noah was trying to say. He's trying to say that we're picking on poor ol' Bama and only posting bad news about them. So you see, don't try to change your argument in mid sentence.

[timNem]

Cry me a freakin river why don't ya....

This "Everyone is picking on Bama" crap has got to go. Everyone is tired of hearing the "woe is me" from Bama every single day. Give it a rest. Noone gives a damn. :thumbsdow


It's obvious that you didn't read those articles because some of them were RUMORS that were reported to me by my peeps and later confirmed by the local media. :whistle:

BTW: We all know what Noah was trying to say. He's trying to say that we're picking on poor ol' Bama.So in other words a rumor is news until proven otherwise?

[Noah.Dreams]

Don't even try to question my integrity Noah. You obviously have selective eyesight when it suits you.

Front page news? How about the...

Blake Mitchell Arrest
USC players arrested in a barfight
Kerry Bonds being kicked off the team.
Matthew Thomas' suspension
James Banks suspension (UT)
Major Parker/Drug Charges (UF)
USC players arrested for theft


Why don't you just scroll through the SECTalk.com News Section if you think I'm bluffing. :blink:

Don't ever question my motives without knowing the facts. This Bama vs. the world argument is really getting old. :brick:
Neo - The articles you listed are facts backed by police reports... as opposed to an unsubstantiated rumor.

[Neo]

Neo - The articles you listed are facts backed by police reports... as opposed to an unsubstantiated rumor.


Once again for those that cannot read....

Most of my articles are RUMORS that 9 times out of 10, come out to be true. Many people have seen it, the Bammers just refuse to acknowledge the fact that Shula may NOT return next year.


For your sake, you better hope I'm wrong......

[Noah.Dreams]

Once again for those that cannot read....

Most of my articles are RUMORS that 9 times out of 10, come out to be true. Many people have seen it, the Bammers just refuse to acknowledge the fact that Shula may NOT return next year.


For your sake, you better hope I'm wrong......
So how is your investigation coming along? Are your inside sources at The Univ of Alabama pleading the fifth yet?

[Noah.Dreams]

So in other words a rumor is news until proven otherwise?
Thank you timNem... THAT is my point exactly!

That's why irresponsible newspapers published the unsubstantiated rumors on page 1 and their retraction on page 51...

[Lud0]

Cry me a freakin river why don't ya....

This "Everyone is picking on Bama" crap has got to go. Everyone is tired of hearing the "woe is me" from Bama every single day. Give it a rest. Noone gives a damn. :thumbsdow


It's obvious that you didn't read those articles because some of them were RUMORS that were reported to me by my peeps and later confirmed by the local media. :whistle:

BTW: We all know what Noah was trying to say. He's trying to say that we're picking on poor ol' Bama and only posting bad news about them. So you see, don't try to change your argument in mid sentence.


Give me some examples of the "woe is me" posts. I haven't really seen them. Then again, I don't post on here daily like some do. I swear Neo, talking to you is like getting bukakked with stupid. He JUST signed a new contract you tool. Your 'peeps' also told you that Arkansas was going to the Big 12. Yea, that'll happen. And who cares if you're picking on Bama. You're a SOUTH CAROLINA FAN for crying out loud. You're insignificant in the grand scheme of things. You make less noise in the SEC than a flys fart year in and year out.

[Neo]

Thank you timNem... THAT is my point exactly!

That's why irresponsible newspapers published the unsubstantiated rumors on page 1 and their retraction on page 51...


The difference between the two is....

The title of the thread lets readers know that this is a RUMOR. Also in the article it states that none of this has been confirmed or substantiated.

Ya know, you Bammers are a fun bunch. You see what you wanna see, you hear what you wanna hear. Must be nice to live in your own dreamworld.

[shanksta13]

Neo - The articles you listed are facts backed by police reports... as opposed to an unsubstantiated rumor.

I think what he means is that he posted RUMORS of these before the hard evidence actually surfaced. I remember seeing (here on SECTalk) that there was a possibility that Mitchell would be suspended for an incident, long before the police report was confirmed.

[Neo]

Your 'peeps' also told you that Arkansas was going to the Big 12.


Actually not. Read the post again. Proof positive that some Bammers refuse to read the minor details. Here's the post again....


I know this rumor comes around every year, but apparently it has legs this year.

Mark and Lou on GameDay mentioned this a few weeks ago and this rumor may indeed be true. :cool: If Arky decides to leave, who would you replace them with? My choices are;

1. East Carolina University (Decent Football/Basketball, EXCELLENT Baseball)
2. NC State (Rich in tradition and a new TV market)
3. Memphis (Highly competitive. Plays 3-4 SEC teams every year)
4. West Virginia (Put the Big East out of it's misery)


Now where do I state that my peeps said anything about this? :whistle: Not unless you're saying that Lou Holtz and Mark May are my peeps. Heh heh!




You're a SOUTH CAROLINA FAN for crying out loud. You're insignificant in the grand scheme of things. You make less noise in the SEC than a flys fart year in and year out.



Then it must burn you up knowing that USC has won 2 out of the last 3 and 3 out of the last 5. :happy:

If we're insignificant, what does that make Bama? :whistle:
http://img146.imagevenue.com/loc365/th_03670_bearbryantdead_122_365lo.JPG (http://img146.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=03670_bearbryantdead_122_365lo.JPG)

[Neo]

I think what he means is that he posted RUMORS of these before the hard evidence actually surfaced. I remember seeing (here on SECTalk) that there was a possibility that Mitchell would be suspended for an incident, long before the police report was confirmed.



Thank you SHANK! The voice of reason. :thumpsup:

The BIG thing is that in the title of the thread, it says that it's a RUMOR. Duh!

Then at least once in the article, it states that it hasn't been confirmed nor substantiated.

Somebody needs to buy themselves some "Hooked on Phonics". :laugh:

[Noah.Dreams]

Then it must burn you up knowing that USC has won 2 out of the last 3 and 3 out of the last 5. :happy:

If we're insignificant, what does that make Bama? :whistle:
http://img146.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-10237/loc365/03670_bearbryantdead_122_365lo.JPG (http://img146.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=03670_bearbryantdead_122_365lo.JPG)W hat does that make Alabama?

Just like the sign says... OUR TOP STORY!

[shanksta13]

What does that make Alabama?

Just like the sign says... OUR TOP STORY!

God you guys are great... props on that one, that was good! :laugh:

[Lud0]

I think what he means is that he posted RUMORS of these before the hard evidence actually surfaced. I remember seeing (here on SECTalk) that there was a possibility that Mitchell would be suspended for an incident, long before the police report was confirmed.

And I remember seeing it on "insider" boards before it was here. I mean it's cool and all that he posted it for his userbase to read, but please don't act like you broke the story or anything.

[Lud0]

Actually not. Read the post again. Proof positive that some Bammers refuse to read the minor details. Here's the post again....





Now where do I state that my peeps said anything about this? :whistle: Not unless you're saying that Lou Holtz and Mark May are my peeps. Heh heh!







Then it must burn you up knowing that USC has won 2 out of the last 3 and 3 out of the last 5. :happy:

If we're insignificant, what does that make Bama? :whistle:
http://img146.imagevenue.com/loc365/th_03670_bearbryantdead_122_365lo.JPG (http://img146.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=03670_bearbryantdead_122_365lo.JPG)

My life doesn't hang on every single football win / loss like some people here. I have other hobbies like fishing, and making money. Good job on the last 3 of 5, whats that overall record again?

[timNem]

I have proof that Bear is still alive. He may be a bit ripe and juicy but he lives!!!





http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/timNem_2006/BearBryant_hat.jpg

[USC66]

Thanks for the kind words Jay. It looks like I'm going to have to earn some folks trust the hard way. :laugh: For starters, here are the facts:

1. This rumor is right now a rumor. I've heard it from a few peeps, but I haven't been able to confirm it's validity beyond a reasonable doubt.

2. Like I've said before. I know a lot of powerful people in high places and I have a lot of family all over the southeast. Some of which work at various SEC institutions within the athletic departments.

3. For the record, I don't have any friends or family in Arkansas. I got that steroid story from one of my peeps currently working at the University of Alabama.


This is one of the reasons (not the only) I check into SECTALK. Recruiting and inside info from NEO has more often than not been on the money. Thanks NEO.

[AUChamps]

This is one of the reasons (not the only) I check into SECTALK. Recruiting and inside info from NEO has more often than not been on the money. Thanks NEO.
Yeah, Neo's the Paul Finebaum of the Internet.

(That's a compliment btw).

[WAR DAMN EAGLE]

Here is an interesting stat as of 10/03/06...Offensive touchdowns scored versus SEC teams...the last eight games:

Auburn: 26
Florida: 26
Vanderbilt: 26 (!)
Georgia: 22
LSU: 22
South Carolina: 21
Arkansas: 20
Tennessee: 17
Kentucky: 16
Ole Miss: 10
Mississippi State: 9
Alabama: 8

[BamaDude06]

Here is an interesting stat as of 10/03/06...Offensive touchdowns scored versus SEC teams...the last eight games:

Auburn: 26
Florida: 26
Vanderbilt: 26 (!)
Georgia: 22
LSU: 22
South Carolina: 21
Arkansas: 20
Tennessee: 17
Kentucky: 16
Ole Miss: 10
Mississippi State: 9
Alabama: 8

SEC games this season (through 10/14)
Auburn 9 ( 4 vs MSU)
Alabama 7

quite a different story in 2006

[WAR DAMN EAGLE]

SEC games this season (through 10/14)
Auburn 9 ( 4 vs MSU)
Alabama 7

quite a different story in 2006So you are happy with those offensive numbers?Just because they are only slightly worse than Auburns this year?

[BamaDude06]

Some more stats:
Points scored through 6 games:
2005-161
2006-181

Total points in 2005: 263 (includes the bowl game)

The 2006 team is on track for 362 this year (12 regular season games), and they are beginning to improve in the red zone. They aren't there, but they are on the way.

[BamaDude06]

So you are happy with those offensive numbers?Just because they are only slightly worse than Auburns this year?

Considering we have a new starter at quarterback, our star running back battled a hip injury the first few games, we are starting a true freshman on the OL, yes. Our offense is young, and they are getting better.

[Neo]

Well, with Butch Davis' apparent public interest in the Alabama football coaching job, it appears that my peeps may have hit the nail on the head about Shula. :whistle: :happy:

Only time will tell........

[Noah.Dreams]

Well, with Butch Davis' apparent public interest in the Alabama football coaching job, it appears that my peeps may have hit the nail on the head about Shula. :whistle: :happy:

Only time will tell........
Yeah, if it was reported in sports forum website from North Carolina then it's just gotta be the truth.

If that ain't a self-fulfilling prophecy then I don't know what is.

[AUChamps]

Well, with Butch Davis' apparent public interest in the Alabama football coaching job, it appears that my peeps may have hit the nail on the head about Shula. :whistle: :happy:

Only time will tell........

Neo, can we get a vBookie Bet going on your info?

I'd gladly put 1000 vBucks on you being correct.

[Neo]

Yeah, if it was reported in sports forum website from North Carolina then it's just gotta be the truth.

If that ain't a self-fulfilling prophecy then I don't know what is.


A forum?????? You know me better than that.... :whistle:


http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/15837440.htm

http://www.fanblogs.com/arkansas/005684.php

If you even think for a minute that Bama will not court this guy again, you're totally nuts!

Maybe you should trust me or do your own homework..... :blink: :laugh: Ya know, when you write someone off just because you don't like what they say really makes you look rather ignorant to say the least.

I know one thing. It's getting to the point to where I hope my peeps are right just to show the Tiders that their AD isn't as loyal to Shula as they think he is.


AUChamps - PM or ask GatorNation to set-up a VBookie event on this. :whistle:

[AUChamps]

A forum?????? You know me better than that.... :whistle:


http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/15837440.htm

http://www.fanblogs.com/arkansas/005684.php

If you even think for a minute that Bama will not court this guy again, you're totally nuts!

Maybe you should trust me or do your own homework..... :blink: :laugh: Ya know, when you write someone off just because you don't like what they say really makes you look rather ignorant to say the least.

I know one thing. It's getting to the point to where I hope my peeps are right just to show the Tiders that their AD isn't as loyal to Shula as they think he is.


AUChamps - PM or ask GatorNation to set-up a VBookie event on this. :whistle:
Awesome; I just PM'd him and hopefully he'll get 2 vBookie Bets going.

1). Mike Shula being coach at Alabama after this season.

2). Butch Davis being coach at Alabama after this season.(and a possible 3rd for Butch Davis going to UNC, and a possible 4th for David Cutcliffe going to UNC, and a possible 5th for Cutcliffe being the named successor at UT when Fulmer retires).

[Neo]

I really loved this quote.....

"I really, truly do have an interest in getting back into coaching," Davis said. "But ... I know it's a sensitive time."


Sensitive time for whom? I think this is a signal to all of those that want him; "Come and get me before I'm gone."

My opinion, Davis is looking at a bigger pond. Either Miami, or Alabama. Both schools "could" have a job opening by the end of the season and he's going to wait them out to see who ponys up the bigger cash offer.

My peeps are telling me that Davis is stringing UNC along until the end of the season. Then and only then is he gonna play the field and accept the higher pay-out. It's gonna be a bidding war. Nothing personal.

UNC gives Davis an offer.

Davis then goes to Bama, Miami, etc. and says..."OK, can you top this?"


This much is certain, he's not going to want to start over. He's gonna want to go somewhere that's fairly stable and loaded with top-tier athletes. Now class, who fits that mold?

A. UNC
B. Alabama
C. Florida International
D. Miami


One last thing Noah, obviously more people than just me have heard the Davis/Bama link so that kinda throws a wrench into your sports thread theory. :whistle:

[AUChamps]

I really loved this quote.....

"I really, truly do have an interest in getting back into coaching," Davis said. "But ... I know it's a sensitive time."


Sensitive time for whom? I think this is a signal to all of those that want him; "Come and get me before I'm gone."

My opinion, Davis is looking at a bigger pond. Either Miami, or Alabama. Both schools "could" have a job opening by the end of the season and he's going to wait them out to see who ponys up the bigger cash offer.

My peeps are telling me that Davis is stringing UNC along until the end of the season. Then and only then is he gonna play the field and accept the higher pay-out. It's gonna be a bidding war. Nothing personal.

UNC gives Davis an offer.

Davis then goes to Bama, Miami, etc. and says..."OK, can you top this?"


This much is certain, he's not going to want to start over. He's gonna want to go somewhere that's fairly stable and loaded with top-tier athletes. Now class, who fits that mold?

A. UNC
B. Alabama
C. Florida International
D. Miami


One last thing Noah, obviously more people than just me have heard the Davis/Bama link so that kinda throws a wrench into your sports thread theory. :whistle:
Well Neo, to be fair; Howard S. is currently at Florida Atlantic, so it wouldn't be unheard of for Butch Davis to go to their rival, FIU.

[BamaMatt]

"I really, truly do have an interest in getting back into coaching," Davis said. "But ... I know it's a sensitive time."


Wow, you're right. That quote right there proves beyond any certainty that Mike Shula will be fired at the end of the year.

[Neo]

My peeps just told me that Davis has un-officially been ruled out as the new coach of UNC.

The wheels are slowly turning....Watch out Shula. :whistle:

[GatorHunter]

My peeps just told me that Davis has un-officially been ruled out as the new coach of UNC.

The wheels are slowly turning....Watch out Shula. :whistle:

I just hope Davis doesn't go back to scUM...he's a great recruiter and I'd like for my Gators to take advantage of their problems for another year or two...:)

[BamaMatt]

My peeps are telling me that it's going to be another big year for them at Easter.

[BamaDude06]

My peeps are telling me that it's going to be another big year for them at Easter.

:laugh: :biggrin: :LOL_Hair: :lol: :rolling2: :jestera:

That made me laugh.

[Jay Bee]

Sources tell me that bama won't do anything drastic (like fire CMS) yet. However, look for Mal to be replaced with Ozzie Newsome in the next year or so, and then the hiring of Lou Saban after that. Remember: You read it here first!

WDE!
jb

[timNem]

Sources tell me that bama won't do anything drastic (like fire CMS) yet. However, look for Mal to be replaced with Ozzie Newsome in the next year or so, and then the hiring of Lou Saban after that. Remember: You read it here first!

WDE!
jbIts been common knowledge that Mal will be retiring after he completed the upgrades which he has, and it has been known that Ozzie is in line for that job. As far as Lou Saban?

[nooneLT]

ok, i might have missed this thread for a day or so...

don't look for shula to get fired after this season. look for coaching changes such as the OC, OLC and STC. i think the rumor might have been A coach, not the head coach. if that was it, it's more than likely to be true.

shula is well liked by moore and witt. they both know we're not at full strength yet and should give him another year. if he refuses to make coaching changes and our offense stays mediocre next season (which it would be), then maybe shula will be let go.

oh btw, why would butch davis want the Bama job now? he's turned it down twice already. he just said alabama to string unc or miami along so he can get a fatter contract.

[goallthewayua]

I'll put $ on that Butch goes to Miami at the end of this season. Coker is done. He would have came to Arkansas because of the ties he has here, but with the job Nutt is doing this season I serious doubt we are going to pursue him. He'll say nice things about bama because he is class act, but no way he chooses the Tide over the Hurricanes.

That being said I'll tell you who our number two choice was going to be and who the Tide should take a good look at is Steve Kragthorpe from Tulsa. He's an up and comer which I know is scary, but if he had a solid recruiting base such as Alabama he could really do somethings on the national level. He just can't recruit with the Sooner's and big red auto imports.

[Neo]

he just said alabama to string unc or miami along so he can get a fatter contract.


My peeps told me this morning that in fact, Davis has been eliminated as a canidate for the UNC job. I posted it earlier in the thread. :happy:

[nooneLT]

My peeps told me this morning that in fact, Davis has been eliminated as a canidate for the UNC job. I posted it earlier in the thread. :happy:

even then i still don't think butch davis would come to Bama. he had the chance after the dubose debacle and then again after fran. what would make it different now? he's aiming at that miami job and he'll probably get it after coker gets axed.

[Noah.Dreams]

Neo, can we get a vBookie Bet going on your info?

I'd gladly put 1000 vBucks on you being correct.
A vBookie Bet on Shula being released! What a great idea!

[goallthewayua]

I think yal give him another season anyway, unless something really goes wrong with the rest of your games. He or your OC did cause yal to lose the game with us in my opinion however.

[timNem]

A vBookie Bet on Shula being released! What a great idea!Sounds kinda finebaumish to me.

[Noah.Dreams]

I think yal give him another season anyway, unless something really goes wrong with the rest of your games. He or your OC did cause yal to lose the game with us in my opinion however.
Funny... I thought Alabama lost to Arkansas when they missed the 3 field goals (inside the 35 yardline) in regulation and the PAT in overtime.

[timNem]

Funny... I thought Alabama lost to Arkansas when they missed the 3 field goals (inside the 35 yardline) in regulation and the PAT in overtime.actually we missed a FG to win in OT also.

[Noah.Dreams]

One last thing Noah, obviously more people than just me have heard the Davis/Bama link so that kinda throws a wrench into your sports thread theory. :whistle:If a lie is repeated often enough, even a majority of the people will eventually believe it.

[TDArkansasOhmy]

You need to double check your sources because my sources say that Bama has purchased a Jumbo jet to pick up Fulmer after he is let go by UT



Jumbo jet filled with gravy. lol very good Tim

[Noah.Dreams]

Well, with Butch Davis' apparent public interest in the Alabama football coaching job, it appears that my peeps may have hit the nail on the head about Shula. :whistle: :happy:

Only time will tell......

Neo, can we get a vBookie Bet going on your info?

I'd gladly put 1000 vBucks on you being correct. If I didn't bet my VCash on these up coming games, I'd jump on this in a New York minute. :laugh:700 on Davis to Alabama, and on the other one I put down 500 that Shula would resign.

Thanks GatorNation! You boys seem to be back pedaling all of a sudden now that VBookie has a bet on Shula's job security at Alabama!

http://www.sectalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=12928

Come on, guys... the time has come to put your money where your mouth is.

It's time for Neo and AUChamps to either put up or shut up....

[azamugg]

Tim,

If you're trying to be funny, you're not. You haven't been here long enough to know anything about me or who I know. I'm sure many of the veterans here can vouch for me. Hell, ask the user Jay Lupo about the Arkansas Baseball steroid scandal that I reported 3 whole days before any other media outlet got it.

Put simply, right now this has not been confirmed so don't get your panties in a wad. Given my past reports though, I'm batting around 85%. :happy:

havent you told me to not be sensitive and be a man................well take your own medicine

your rumour is laughable for lack of a better word

[azamugg]

Neo, I just posted this info Verbatim on AL.com's Auburn and Alabama Forums:

http://www.al.com/forums/tigers/index.ssf (#216488)

http://www.al.com/forums/tide/index.ssf (#284231)


did you get a piece of candy from Neo?

[Noah.Dreams]

Yeah, if it was reported in sports forum website from North Carolina then it's just gotta be the truth.

If that ain't a self-fulfilling prophecy then I don't know what is.
A forum?????? You know me better than that.... :whistle:


http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/15837440.htm

http://www.fanblogs.com/arkansas/005684.php

If you even think for a minute that Bama will not court this guy again, you're totally nuts!

Maybe you should trust me or do your own homework..... :blink: :laugh: Ya know, when you write someone off just because you don't like what they say really makes you look rather ignorant to say the least.

I know one thing. It's getting to the point to where I hope my peeps are right just to show the Tiders that their AD isn't as loyal to Shula as they think he is.

AUChamps - PM or ask GatorNation to set-up a VBookie event on this. :whistle:
I believe you meant to post a link that actually supported your story of Butch Davis' interest in Shula's job or Alabama's interest in Davis. Neither the Charlotte or Fanblog link does that.

Let's give it another shot, ok Neo?

[AUChamps]

You boys seem to be back pedaling all of a sudden now that VBookie has a bet on Shula's job security at Alabama!

http://www.sectalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=12928

Come on, guys... the time has come to put your money where your mouth is.

It's time for Neo and AUChamps to either put up or shut up....
And I did put up.

[Noah.Dreams]

And I did put up.
http://www.sectalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=12928

Think again cowboy. You signed up to bet $1000 that Shula would be fired by Alabama. Betting $500 that Shula will quit isn't even close.

This is a classic case of your mouth writin' a check that your body can't cash...

[msgadawg]

Hey Bama, if you do let Shula go,, Sylvester would be glad to drive over and take the job, Heck we might even hire a limo Put a big ole Crimson Bow on top of it to send him over ! No all jokes aside,, I would think Shula has a few more years. This was a major rebuilding year, At least you guys can win SOME games. More than we can say at MSU..

[crimsonnation713]

Hey Bama, if you do let Shula go,, Sylvester would be glad to drive over and take the job, Heck we might even hire a limo Put a big ole Crimson Bow on top of it to send him over ! No all jokes aside,, I would think Shula has a few more years. This was a major rebuilding year, At least you guys can win SOME games. More than we can say at MSU..



ummmmm....no thanks