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Saintsmania
09-17-2006, 10:25 AM
The handwriting is now clearly on the wall that Croom was not the guy to take us to the promised land. He not only has a very poor team, but he is a coach in denial as he sees "good things" that none of the rest of us do. Are his assistants as lame as he is?

So, Sylvester,thanks for the memories, but go create more memories for yourself somewhere else. Hard to believe that a coach who specializes in offense has such an inept offense as your team. Yet you seem to think they are a functional unit??

So what we need as a new coach is someone who can recruit! No, recruiting by itself does not ensure a winner, but it sure beats the heck out of having a team with Grade B players. Even the lowly Tulane Green Wave looked like a powerhouse team against State. So let's get the players as our main ingredient.

Larry Templeton, the athletic director? Larry, you seem to be a good guy who can really put on a party with the media as they all appear to love you. But maybe we need an athletic director who knows "talent"? The question is "Is that you"? So do something positive so we can start the healing.

Jackie Sherrill? Jackie was good for his time and showed he knew how to take decent players and come up with a winner. Of course his defensive coordinator shares a lot of the credit for that. Unfortuntately Jackie also lived on the edge regarding playing by the rules.

Obviously a school in "nowhere city" cannot attract a high profile coach but there are lots of good young coordinators out there just itching for a head coaching job. And getting one in the SEC would be their dream come true.

So, come on, Larry, and let's get the ball rolling. The 2007 season will be here before you know it.

Neo
09-17-2006, 10:59 AM
If MSU wants to salvage this season, this is my opinion.

Coaching: Mr. Croom just isn't cut out for SEC football. He may have been a great RB coach for the Green Bay Packers, but the proof is in the pudding. So far, Coach Croom has an overall record of 6-19-0. This is unacceptable for any SEC team. I know MSU was decimated when he arrived, but it would appear that his best players are Jackie Sherrill's recruits and you would expect SOME kind of visual improvement. Including, but not limited to, wins, offensive performance, defensive performance, etc, etc. On the outside looking in, MSU has actually REGRESSED since last year and it is getting worse.

I'm a firm believer that you do not change coaches as long as their is visible improvement, but as apparent as MSU's woes are, the MSU AD had better can Croom now before you dig yourselves into a hole all the way to China. A lot of damage has been done to this program and I feel that the program may suffer permanent damage if not tended to.

So, if you fire Croom who's your coaching replacement? Well, here is a list of coaches that I think would seriously consider the position and could actually stop the bleeding that Croom has caused.

#1. Frank Solich - Ohio
Regardless of what you think, this man can flat out coach. After inheriting the Nebraska program from the legend Tom Osborne, he kept the Huskers in the spotlight and made a MNC run in 2001. With an overall record of 62-26-0, he's a proven winner at the Div. I level. Can you imagine the NU "Power I" in Starkville? That would be totally sick to say the least. I feel that he could rebuild MSU in as little as 2-3 seasons.

#2. George O'Leary - UCF
He has shown that he can win with a small school in a big pond. After going 0-11-0 in his first season at UCF, the very next year he posted a 8-5-0 record with a one point loss to Nevada in the Hawaii bowl. He has an overall record of 60-49-0, but don't let that fool you.

#3. Terry Bowden - Retired
Terry has mentioned that he would consider returning to the sideline. With that in mind, I don't need to remind you of what he did at Auburn. With an overall record of 92-40-2, he is well aware of what it takes to win in the SEC.

#4. Jackie Sherrill - Retired
Ihis kinda reminds me of the saying that "You never call an ex-girlfriend", but that doesn't apply here. I believe that he left/fired because he was burned out on the coaching scene. If you have noticed him lately, he's full of energy and competitiveness. Could he rebuild what he started years ago? I feel that he can. Personally, he would be my last option.

#5. Mike Price - UTEP
After compiling a 16-8-0 record over the last two years at UTEP, he may be a leading canidate for most schools that have a coaching vacancy. He may also like the fact that he could play his former employer (UA) every year and quite possibly, pop them in the mouth.

Neo
09-17-2006, 11:22 AM
Very good write-up by the way Saints. :happy:

cocky4ever
09-17-2006, 02:11 PM
So does anyone else think some interest group is gonna jump all over Miss St. for firing Croom?? I know it sounds crazy, but we're talking about the kinda people that made a big fuss about us not interviewing any black candidates when we were pursuing Spurrier. We get it bad here in SC, and I know its not any better(perhaps worse) in Mississippi. I do agree though that Croom has to go, and the sooner the better. I see the dawgs of the West going into the Jack St. game 0-6, and if Croom doesnt get a win against them I think he should certainly be gone because that would mean that an 0-12 season would almost certainly be impending. Sure Miss. St. has a lot of committments, but almost all are 2 stars if Im not mistaken. The country is full of 2 star players and it would probably even HELP the recruiting to show that Starkville is attempting to make a change.

It was easy to see things were getting bad earlier this week when Croom lashed out at the fans. He used to be so good with the fans and media...but now you can tell he's stressed and on his last leg. He officially bit the hand the feeds him this week with his comments...and to make matters worse he turned around and crapped a big fat L on the carpet:ohmy:

larryt4111
09-17-2006, 06:17 PM
If MSU wants to salvage this season, this is my opinion.

#3. Terry Bowden - Retired
Terry has mentioned that he would consider returning to the sideline. With that in mind, I don't need to remind you of what he did at Auburn. With an overall record of 92-40-2, he is well aware of what it takes to win in the SEC.


I beg to differ, Terry rode into town with a well stocked house of players who hadn't been coached wery well. He won because of them and went down hill fast after his recrutes started to play. He got smart and left before he was TARED AND FEATHERED by the AU faithful after the BOWDEN name factor wore off and everyone realized that he wasn't his dad.
I may be nissing something here, but I don't understand what makes anyone believe he could recrute at Miss. St. when he couldn't at AU.?
HUM?

Neo
09-17-2006, 06:39 PM
I beg to differ, Terry rode into town with a well stocked house of players who hadn't been coached wery well. He won because of them and went down hill fast after his recrutes started to play. He got smart and left before he was TARED AND FEATHERED by the AU faithful after the BOWDEN name factor wore off and everyone realized that he wasn't his dad.
I may be nissing something here, but I don't understand what makes anyone believe he could recrute at Miss. St. when he couldn't at AU.?
HUM?


Well, if you would have researched your stats before posting you would have found out that you're DEAD WRONG. :whistle:

Bowden was at Auburn for six (6) years which meant he was playing with his players. Secondly, at Auburn he had an overall record of 47-17-1. Now if my math is correct, that's a .923 winning percentage. :ohmy:

Third, before Auburn he coached at Sanford. There he had an overall record of 45-23-1.

Now in 1998, he did experience a slight drop off which is understandable given the typical SEC schedule. Anyone that believes otherwise is totally insane. Now like I said, check the stats.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_year_by_year.php?coachid=213


As for recruiting and winning at MSU, he could do that quite easily in my opinion. The proof is in the pudding. :happy:

pc72687
09-17-2006, 06:41 PM
Mike Price would definitly be a good choice.

larryt4111
09-17-2006, 06:58 PM
Well I did my homework

1993 11-0
SEC 9 1 1 with Pat D players

1994 9-1-1
SEC 6-1-1 with Pat D players

1995 8-4
SEC 5-3 with Pat D players and his

1996 8-4
SEC 4-4 with his players[his first class of JR's & SR.s

1997 10-3
SEC 6-2 ALL HIS TEAM

1998 LEFT with a loosing record for the year UNDER FIRE FROM THE ALUM. Bill Oliver took over during a miserable season that ended 3-8 and a 1-7 SEC record.
I'M SORRY BUT JUST WHERE IS THE BRILIANCE AT AUBURN OTHER THAN WITH PAT DYE'S recruits? I don't think the AU faithful thought of 1-5 as a slight drop off in 1998! Thats why they bought him out!

larryt4111
09-17-2006, 07:08 PM
http://www.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/aub/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/06-mg-history I faled to add the link and also say that Tommy T 's first year was 5-6 and 2-6 in the SEC with BOWDEN'S JR's AND SR's
BUT on second thought I guess Miss State would be happy with 4-4 in SEC PLAY !

scunyon
09-17-2006, 07:25 PM
So does anyone else think some interest group is gonna jump all over Miss St. for firing Croom?? I know it sounds crazy, but we're talking about the kinda people that made a big fuss about us not interviewing any black candidates when we were pursuing Spurrier. We get it bad here in SC, and I know its not any better(perhaps worse) in Mississippi. I do agree though that Croom has to go, and the sooner the better. I see the dawgs of the West going into the Jack St. game 0-6, and if Croom doesnt get a win against them I think he should certainly be gone because that would mean that an 0-12 season would almost certainly be impending. Sure Miss. St. has a lot of committments, but almost all are 2 stars if Im not mistaken. The country is full of 2 star players and it would probably even HELP the recruiting to show that Starkville is attempting to make a change.

It was easy to see things were getting bad earlier this week when Croom lashed out at the fans. He used to be so good with the fans and media...but now you can tell he's stressed and on his last leg. He officially bit the hand the feeds him this week with his comments...and to make matters worse he turned around and crapped a big fat L on the carpet:ohmy:

Well, they probably will because there is nothing else to argue and fight about until they can him like tuna, which is inevitable in my opinion. Whenever a black person gets a shot with a lot of publicity around them, they usually get support in two extremes, one camp for, the other against.

Unfortunately for their cause, they would have no leg to stand on as his record at MSU speaks for itself... and it's not saying much :thumbsdow

Dawgfish
09-17-2006, 07:27 PM
If MSU wants to salvage this season, this is my opinion.

Coaching: Mr. Croom just isn't cut out for SEC football. He may have been a great RB coach for the Green Bay Packers, but the proof is in the pudding. So far, Coach Croom has an overall record of 6-19-0. This is unacceptable for any SEC team. I know MSU was decimated when he arrived, but it would appear that his best players are Jackie Sherrill's recruits and you would expect SOME kind of visual improvement. Including, but not limited to, wins, offensive performance, defensive performance, etc, etc. On the outside looking in, MSU has actually REGRESSED since last year and it is getting worse.

I'm a firm believer that you do not change coaches as long as their is visible improvement, but as apparent as MSU's woes are, the MSU AD had better can Croom now before you dig yourselves into a hole all the way to China. A lot of damage has been done to this program and I feel that the program may suffer permanent damage if not tended to.

So, if you fire Croom who's your coaching replacement? Well, here is a list of coaches that I think would seriously consider the position and could actually stop the bleeding that Croom has caused.

#1. Frank Solich - Ohio
Regardless of what you think, this man can flat out coach. After inheriting the Nebraska program from the legend Tom Osborne, he kept the Huskers in the spotlight and made a MNC run in 2001. With an overall record of 62-26-0, he's a proven winner at the Div. I level. Can you imagine the NU "Power I" in Starkville? That would be totally sick to say the least. I feel that he could rebuild MSU in as little as 2-3 seasons.

#2. George O'Leary - UCF
He has shown that he can win with a small school in a big pond. After going 0-11-0 in his first season at UCF, the very next year he posted a 8-5-0 record with a one point loss to Nevada in the Hawaii bowl. He has an overall record of 60-49-0, but don't let that fool you.

#3. Terry Bowden - Retired
Terry has mentioned that he would consider returning to the sideline. With that in mind, I don't need to remind you of what he did at Auburn. With an overall record of 92-40-2, he is well aware of what it takes to win in the SEC.

#4. Jackie Sherrill - Retired
Ihis kinda reminds me of the saying that "You never call an ex-girlfriend", but that doesn't apply here. I believe that he left/fired because he was burned out on the coaching scene. If you have noticed him lately, he's full of energy and competitiveness. Could he rebuild what he started years ago? I feel that he can. Personally, he would be my last option.

#5. Mike Price - UTEP
After compiling a 16-8-0 record over the last two years at UTEP, he may be a leading canidate for most schools that have a coaching vacancy. He may also like the fact that he could play his former employer (UA) every year and quite possibly, pop them in the mouth.

Hmmmmm . . . .

Well, here's my take on what I have seen regarding the Bulldogs.
When you have a freshman QB trying to take on a leadership role before he is rcompletely ready to fully accept his role as the offensive captain behind an offensive line that has had so many personnel moves you cannot expect there to be any rhythm or much for success. It made quite a difference when a senior who has some playing time experience and a little success at the helm took over and got in sync with the offensive line. Poor Rutland stands there like a deer in the headlights and just freezes up, only to get pummelled into the turf time after time. He needs the QB coach to explain to him that you cannot "lock" onto a receiver and expect to get the ball to him. Omarr Conner got the ball to receivers that I wasn't even sure were still playing anymore. I just wasn't hearing their names or seeing them with any catches in the post game stats. We have some talent in the receiving corp but without someone getting the ball to them we may as well just run it up the middle 3 times and punt.
I was hoping for a win but I was not expecting one. I can realistically see State win 2 games or less this season. And with that in mind I would like to see the coaching staff approach QB Henning with a request to allow himself to be redshirted for medical reasons. Then give the ball to Conner who represents some senior leadership and the best chance we have of generating some offense. Also continue to give some playing time to Rutland and invest into a talented athlete in hopes of having a better chance next year with Henning and Rutland competing for the job in '07.
As far as coaching . . . Croom can stay but the OC has got to go!!!! Unfortunately that makes it difficult for the players to have trust in a proven system with a revolving door on the coaching staff. The more changes we make the more setbacks we incur!!!
I want to see the offensive line get an influx of recruits. I plan on being patient as long as the offensive line is made a high priority.
Coach Croom is my coach for at least 3 more years if those items I have mentioned above are addressed.


Neo, you have some interesting coaches listed as possible choices.

1 - Solich - I don't know anything about the first one on your list. I'd have to do a little bit of homework on that one.

2 - O'Leary - still have a hard time trusting a man who lied about his resume to get a job. He has proven to be a good coach. I'll give him that much.

3 - Bowden - I can't imagine he would ever be interested in a job in Starkvegas as his way of coming back to college football. I have to agree about his ineffectiveness in recruiting. Probably would want a ridiculous amount of money. next . .

4 - Sherrill - Texas refferred to jackie Sherrill as "the prince of darkness". I do appreciate his ability to put Mississippi State football on the map , however when the wheels started falling off the wagon we had no idea he was torching it too!!! Thanks but no thanks. I have an ex and that's why she is my ex . . LOL!!!

5 - Price - Seems like he is a proven winner, but I'd rather have a coach with some morals and integrity coaching the student athletes that represent my university.

AUChamps
09-17-2006, 07:33 PM
Well, if you would have researched your stats before posting you would have found out that you're DEAD WRONG. :whistle:

Bowden was at Auburn for six (6) years which meant he was playing with his players. Secondly, at Auburn he had an overall record of 47-17-1. Now if my math is correct, that's a .923 winning percentage. :ohmy:

Third, before Auburn he coached at Sanford. There he had an overall record of 45-23-1.

Now in 1998, he did experience a slight drop off which is understandable given the typical SEC schedule. Anyone that believes otherwise is totally insane. Now like I said, check the stats.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_year_by_year.php?coachid=213


As for recruiting and winning at MSU, he could do that quite easily in my opinion. The proof is in the pudding. :happy:
For the record, Bowden only did good at Auburn because of Pat Dye's players. Once the last of the Dye-recruited players graduated; AU went down the toilet and leave it to Buster Brown to be gone by mid-season 1998.

Neo
09-17-2006, 07:38 PM
Do you have any idea as to why he left Auburn? Do you???

Well, off the record...

He left because of some boosters wanting to share the wealth with a few recruits. :mellow:

Secondly,

Do you really think that from 1994-1998 he wasn't playing ANY of his players? Do you really think that? Geez! :whistle:

Let's look at the teams he lost to in 1998 and what their final records were...

Virginia - 9-3-0
LSU - 4-7-0
Tennessee - 13-0-0 (National Champions)
MSU - 8-5-0
Florida - 10-2-0

Now looking at that, he lost to teams with a combined record of 44-17-0! :ohmy: Given his record of 1-5-0 when he left Auburn, I can see why he was having a down year. Out of all of those teams, only LSU was not Top-25 material.

Now what was your reason behind him not succeeding at MSU? :unsure: :whistle:

larryt4111
09-17-2006, 07:52 PM
I see that this is turning into a pissing contest of stats, records, thoughts, and beliefs.
I disagree with you and I see you definitely disagree with me, and neither of us is going to budge. SO BE IT. Lets move on.

blues_cap
09-17-2006, 07:53 PM
Do you have any idea as to why he left Auburn? Do you???

Well, off the record...

He left because of some boosters wanting to share the wealth with a few recruits. :mellow:

Secondly,

Do you really think that from 1994-1998 he wasn't playing ANY of his players? Do you really think that? Geez! :whistle:

Let's look at the teams he lost to in 1998 and what their final records were...

Virginia - 9-3-0
LSU - 4-7-0
Tennessee - 13-0-0 (National Champions)
MSU - 8-5-0
Florida - 10-2-0

Now looking at that, he lost to teams with a combined record of 44-17-0! :ohmy: Given his record of 1-5-0 when he left Auburn, I can see why he was having a down year. Out of all of those teams, only LSU was not Top-25 material.

Now what was your reason behind him not succeeding at MSU? :unsure: :whistle:

dude, if you think walking into au's situation is remotely similar to the situation he would hypothetically walk into at msu, you arent being realistic. no way he would win more than 5 games for 3 or more years.

also, recruiting at msu and at au are 2 different animals. one being the recruiting pool to choose from, the other being that one has a decent tradition and one doesnt have a tradition. bottom line, msu doesnt get nearly the caliber of players au does.

there are a couple of reasons he wouldnt succeed, not to mention the fact that he was left with a stable of horses at au and he is left with a stable of mules at msu.

pf all of the coaches mentioned, he is the least likely and possibly the worst candidate.

msu needs to go with a proven coach that hasnt gotten his shot yet(as someone else said). muschamp comes to mind, jimbo fisher(although i think he has turned it down once), borges, anybody with recent credibility.

AUChamps
09-17-2006, 08:10 PM
dude, if you think walking into msu's situation is remotely similar to the situation he would hypothetically walk into at msu, you arent being realistic. no way he would win more than 5 games for 3 or more years.

also, recruiting at msu and at au are 2 different animals. one being the recruiting pool to choose from, the other being that one has a decent tradition and one doesnt have a tradition. bottom line, msu doesnt get nearly the caliber of players au does.

there are a couple of reasons he wouldnt succeed, not to mention the fact that he was left with a stable of horses at au and he is left with a stable of mules at msu.

pf all of the coaches mentioned, he is the least likely and possibly the worst candidate.

msu needs to go with a proven coach that hasnt gotten his shot yet(as someone else said). muschamp comes to mind, jimbo fisher(although i think he has turned it down once), borges, anybody with recent credibility.
Another honest question is this:

What kind of a successful coach that's an outsider to MSU would want to live in Starkville? Seems time and time again, that's the worst city where an SEC school is.

CockyTatGuy
09-30-2006, 03:42 PM
I was gonna say that if Miss St. could pry Howard Schnellenburger away from FAU that he could really help recruiting. But then again when he did what he did at the U with the whole state of Miami thing it was because of the wealth of talent there. I'm not sure who would be a good coach for the dawgs, I would hope it would be someone that is already in the SEC so that they can understand the level of competiton that they will be jumping into.

AUChamps
09-30-2006, 04:05 PM
I was gonna say that if Miss St. could pry Howard Schnellenburger away from FAU that he could really help recruiting. But then again when he did what he did at the U with the whole state of Miami thing it was because of the wealth of talent there. I'm not sure who would be a good coach for the dawgs, I would hope it would be someone that is already in the SEC so that they can understand the level of competiton that they will be jumping into.
Like, Bobby Johnson?

CockyTatGuy
10-01-2006, 12:15 PM
Like, Bobby Johnson?

Oh yeah, that is a good one that I hadn't thought of yet. I think he could definetly handle the job.

RebNick1
10-05-2006, 01:16 PM
Bobby Johnson would be NUTZ to go to MSU

goallthewayua
10-05-2006, 01:34 PM
What about Houston Nutt if he doesn't go to NC State after this season?

Dawgfish
10-09-2006, 09:42 PM
don't want Houston Nutt . . . how about Paul Johnson of Navy?????

Now that would be someone who knows how to run the ball and will not put up with a bunch of off the field antics!!! What do you think of that for a choice?

Neo
10-09-2006, 09:50 PM
don't want Houston Nutt . . . how about Paul Johnson of Navy?????

Now that would be someone who knows how to run the ball and will not put up with a bunch of off the field antics!!! What do you think of that for a choice?



Paul Johnson would be a nice coach to consider.... :happy:

timNem
10-09-2006, 09:52 PM
Well, if you would have researched your stats before posting you would have found out that you're DEAD WRONG. :whistle:

Bowden was at Auburn for six (6) years which meant he was playing with his players. Secondly, at Auburn he had an overall record of 47-17-1. Now if my math is correct, that's a .923 winning percentage. :ohmy:

Third, before Auburn he coached at Sanford. There he had an overall record of 45-23-1.

Now in 1998, he did experience a slight drop off which is understandable given the typical SEC schedule. Anyone that believes otherwise is totally insane. Now like I said, check the stats.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/coaching/alltime_coach_year_by_year.php?coachid=213


As for recruiting and winning at MSU, he could do that quite easily in my opinion. The proof is in the pudding. :happy:

47-17-1 is .723 winning percentage

Cianne
10-09-2006, 09:52 PM
Paul Johnson would definitely shape up or ship out. Those words have been a farce from Croom so far.

Dawgfish
10-09-2006, 10:00 PM
The question is would he be willing to leave the service academy to come to the SEC? His style of running offense would certainly bring back some diversity to the conference.

Neo
10-09-2006, 10:03 PM
The question is would he be willing to leave the service academy to come to the SEC? His style of running offense would certainly bring back some diversity to the conference.



Money talks.....BS walks.

I think he would. The SEC is the premier conference in the football world.

Dawgfish
10-09-2006, 10:12 PM
Paul Johnson seems to find a way to win with discipline in lou of big time recruits. If he could do that in Starkville that would be the way to go for all Bulldog fans. He has a very good reputation just like the coach at Kansas State(don't see him leaving there anytime soon!!!). Sure would like for some of the administration at State to have some exploratory conversations about Mr. Johnson!!!! They lead (or close to it) the nation in fewest penalties and rushing yardage. It would be great to get a good smashmouth running game back in Starkville.

Dawgfish
10-09-2006, 10:55 PM
While on the topic of CC, seems to me he should be given a big fat "shame on you" award for turning his back on his own roots. He was one heck of an offensive lineman at Alabama but since he got the title of running backs coach in the NFL he has forgotten just how important the line really is. Does he really htink that there is enough speed out there to compensate for a lck of lineman? Seems to me that you'd need to run a sub 4 40 time to get away from that many people in your face at all times. I just don't see that happening. Remember Kenny Ashley???

DIXIE'S PRIDE
10-10-2006, 12:07 AM
I usually don't agree with head coaching changes , but I have to agree that Sly just doesn't seem to have his heart in it. Some individuals are not cut out for head coaching/charsmatic/adminstrative positions and without a doubt his demeanor has proven that he is not the man for the job. He deserved a shot without question but the writing is truly on the wall.

Suggestions: Jeff Bowers ,Tommy West, Charlie Strong, Greg Schiano, or John L. Smith

Dawgfish
10-10-2006, 03:53 PM
I usually don't agree with head coaching changes , but I have to agree that Sly just doesn't seem to have his heart in it. Some individuals are not cut out for head coaching/charsmatic/adminstrative positions and without a doubt his demeanor has proven that he is not the man for the job. He deserved a shot without question but the writing is truly on the wall.

Suggestions: Jeff Bowers ,Tommy West, Charlie Strong, Greg Schiano, or John L. Smith

Dixie's Pride . . .

What's your take on Coach Johnson from Navy? and . . What do you think makes Jeff Bower a good coaching candidate for the SEC?

Cianne
10-10-2006, 04:17 PM
Schiano is going to take Coker's job at Miami. West won't make the move from Memphis to MSU. He's perfectly content running that program.

DIXIE'S PRIDE
10-11-2006, 05:17 PM
My reasoning is that he knows how to recruit SEC talent on defense for sure and for that matter he takes what BAMA and Auburn don't want most of the time and has produced winning talent and some NFL talent. IMHO everything starts on D in the SEC. so Bowers has that covered. STATE has always had a strong D regardless of the schedule so if Bowers comes in and bring some of the Alabama/Mississippi talent to Starkville instead of competing with them it will only increase the talent level ( keep what you get/add to the fold). Bowers would not have to make a big geographical move since he has been in Mississippi forever which adds stability and speeds up the coaching turnover. I personally thinks it gives him the opportunity to coach in the SEC with better talent and judging by past schedules S.Miss has tried to do that anyway. Think of all the match ups over the years S.Miss vs. SEC and he won some games with less talent. Basically the recruiting trails for Bower and staff are already set only he get so say "hey come play in the SEC week in week out" instead of conference USA big difference and the players know the exposure the SEC receives. Above all State needs a head coach with experience that is not going to come in abuse the Juco ranks to have 1 or 2 good seasons and then take off when the next glamour job roles around. Bower is a great fit at STATE IMHO.

DIXIE'S PRIDE
10-11-2006, 05:19 PM
Cianne,

Your probably right about Schiano, if Coker is fired. Not so sure about West though anytime a coach fires a coordinator midseason and assumes duties he's not content.

AUChamps
10-11-2006, 06:27 PM
Whatever you do, STAY AWAY from Rick Neuheisel.

The man's a Walking Violation.

WAR DAMN EAGLE
10-11-2006, 07:23 PM
I would say the best bet would be to roll the dice and hire a hotshot DII coach or a hot D1 coordinator.As far as an established,successful D1 head coach,I mean who would really want to go to Starkville?

tecmsu06
10-21-2006, 07:24 PM
uhh... money. Think about it.. a Jeff Bowers or paul johnson or a solich would be making more money coaching in the SEC, regardless of where it was. And Starkville happens to be a great town. Do I think we'd pick up Bowers?? probably not. I could see johnson or maybe solich. I could difinitely see a hot shot coordinator.