TOP 10 Things you must do while traveling the SEC this football season !

[GAMECOCKBOY]

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10
Call home the Hogs in Little Rock
Once or twice a year the Arkansas faithful find themselves in Little Rock for a football game. This, the Razorback's second home, has become one of college football's hardest places to play. The fans are loud and are literally on the field. The design of the stadium and the fact that there is no law outlawing the consumption of alcohol in Little Rock, helps this football venue tout one impressive home win record. So if ever given the chance this season to attend the one or two games that just happened to be in Little Rock, learn the words, "Wooooooo, Pig! Sooie!" and learn them fast, and take part in one of college football's greatest traditions in calling the Hogs.
9 "My Old Kentucky Home"
Before every home game at the true blue Commonwealth Stadium in Lexington Kentucky, the crowd and the school's band take part in one of the most honest pre-game rituals, the singing of "My Old Kentucky Home". Known for its slow and sleepy pace the song is sure to spark a little Kentucky pride and maybe a tear even if it's your first time ever traveling to the state. Be sure to learn the word though, you don't want to be the outcast. It's hard to find and other instance where Kentucky state pride is any stronger during this one of a kind pre-game moment.
8 Throw a roll at Toomer's Corner
Not many things compare to the post game victory celebration than happens at Auburn. After a team victory many tiger faithful then find themselves at the corner of College and Magnolia. Toomer's Drug Store , an Auburn landmark is the site of the most genuine form of property defacing in college football. Student, friends, and fans take turns throwing rolls of toilet paper around anything that just happens to be on the corner. The site is truly amazing and the experience is one any traveling fan can appreciate, even if you did lose.
7 Make a stop at the Bryant Museum
There is not much on an Alabama Fan's mind other than their beloved Tide and Paul "Bear" Bryant. Matter fact, he has his own museum. Located on the campus of the University of Alabama, this museum is visited by more than 40,000 people a year. Loaded with great memorabilia and facts, this stop on your way to or from the stadium is a must. If there happens to be anything that you think the museum didn't cover, just ask a Crimson Tide fan, and they would be damn glad to tell you.
6 Take a picture with number 6
Not many live mascots in the country can even compete with the beloved and cherished UGA. The pure white English bulldog has been the symbol everything that is the University of Georgia since UGA I first stepped foot in Sanford Stadium in 1956. UGA, pronounced UHH-guh , is probably the most recognizable college mascot in the country and most definitely the most royally treated. If your lucky to ever given the chance, get a picture with this "Damn Good Dog".
5 Tailgate in The Grove
Probably no other 10-Acre parcel of land is more cherished then that of The Grove at the University of Mississippi. Ole Miss fans start arriving in the too early of morning to pitch their tents and start the grills. In 1983, head coach Billy Brewer began waling his team through The Grove on their way to the stadium. The "Walk of Champions" is now what fans that are lucky enough to get a space on The Grove anticipate seeing. Now more than ever The Grove is a tailgating mecca, somewhere to see and be seen. If given the chance, be sure to ask any of the Ole Miss faithful for a drink, then sit back a relax and they will be glad to tell you the goo ol' stories of a man by the name of Archie.
4 Tailgate at the Cock-A-Booses
One of the great traditions at South Carolina is tailgating on the fair ground in front of the stadium, but if you are one of the more fortunate Gamecock fans you have in your possession one of the many Cabooses on the"Cock-A-Boose Railroad" behind Williams-Brice Stadium. These elite tailgating venues have plush carpet, marble trimmed wet bars, closed circuit TV of the games and sun decks on top. The party atmosphere is unbelievable and mostly unmatched anywhere in college football.
3 Count the Rocky Tops
There is probably no other fight song in the SEC that is as hated by other schools than "Rocky Top". At the University of Tennessee it has become the school's anthem and has become the visiting school's nightmare. Visiting coaches sometime blare this fairly paced song over the loud speaker during practice before hitting the road against Tennessee. The school's band is known for playing the song a multitude of times during the games progression and sometime even the quarterback helps conduct the song. So, If you ever get a chance to attend a game in the storied Neyland Stadium, get out a piece of paper and keep track of the number of times the song is played. You many miss a couple, but trust me, you don't have enough digits for the ones your will catch.
2 Attend the make shift Mardi Gras
Not many spectators have ever claimed their has been a better atmosphere then that of a Saturday Night at Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge. Fans come from miles around to take part in what some call a "Make Shift Mardi Gras". The food and music is some of the greatest in college football and you are sure not to be disappointed with the scenery. Getting there early enough to get a spot is half the battle and then having to leave the party outside the stadium for the party inside the stadium is the other. So, be sure to pack the crawfish and cold beer and get ready to party all day and into the night. Oh, and be sure you know how to say GEUX TIGERS.
1 Witness the greatest and loudest entrance in college football.
In 1983, head coach Joe Morrison of South Carolina wanted to in some way to inspire his team. So, for home opener against North Carolina in 1983, Morrison decided to play "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", better known as "2001-Space Odyssey" over the loud speaker prior to the Gamecock's entrance onto the field. A new tradition was born at Carolina. Morrison, probably the most highly regarded and most loved coaches ever at USC, died in 1989 at Williams-Brice from a heart attack. Morrison's unfinished legacy and demeanor come alive every saturday when the team enters onto the field. What has been called the greatest, loudest, and most exciting entrance in college football still continues today. So, If ever given the chance to ever see a saturday game in Columbia, be sure to be in your seat early for the this one of kind college experience.

[TPM]

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Oh, and be sure you know how to say GEUX TIGERS.



It's GEAUX TIGERS

[HottyToddy45]

Yeah and The Grove > Cock Tailgating

[bbqit]

I was listening to southern sports tonight this week and they were talking to a man who made 32 regular season games and 11 bowl games last year. I bet he could give a top ten things to do!

[Neo]

There is not much on an Alabama Fan's mind other than their beloved Tide and Paul "Bear" Bryant.

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[zorak34]

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Dang it Neo! You shouldn't have done that now all the bamer fans will wail at there Bear Bryant Temples! They will become disfunctional and think life is over. LOL! :laugh:

[Bburton86]

That list sucks.

[HMSUDAWGS]

I agree, I've been to a game in Columbia and your fans are quite tame compared to most in the SEC.

[Chivas]

Bout time someone gave all those drunks at War Memorial some credit

[AUFootball24]

8 Throw a roll at Toomer's Corner
Not many things compare to the post game victory celebration than happens at Auburn. After a team victory many tiger faithful then find themselves at the corner of College and Magnolia. Toomer's Drug Store , an Auburn landmark is the site of the most genuine form of property defacing in college football. Student, friends, and fans take turns throwing rolls of toilet paper around anything that just happens to be on the corner. The site is truly amazing and the experience is one any traveling fan can appreciate, even if you did lose.

Been there, done that. I'd do it forever if I could!

[cocky4ever]

I agree, I've been to a game in Columbia and your fans are quite tame compared to most in the SEC.
Which game did you go to?

[CRIMSONWHITE]

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Yes Coach Bryant is dead and you rivals are still jealous of what he accomplished. We have 12 NC's and 21 SECC, how many does USC have? Now to address the original post, squealing like a pig and throwing toilet paper in a tree are great traditions? :laugh:

[cocky4ever]

Yes Coach Bryant is dead and you rivals are still jealous of what he accomplished. We have 12 NC's and 21 SECC, how many does USC have?

http://h1.ripway.com/forumpics/newtimeline.JPG

[AUFootball24]

^Amen

Crimson, how many of those were you even alive for?

[GeauxTo]

Ha-Ha-Ha

Funny, Cocky my man!

:laugh:

[GeauxTo]

8 Throw a roll at Toomer's Corner
Not many things compare to the post game victory celebration than happens at Auburn. After a team victory many tiger faithful then find themselves at the corner of College and Magnolia. Toomer's Drug Store , an Auburn landmark is the site of the most genuine form of property defacing in college football. Student, friends, and fans take turns throwing rolls of toilet paper around anything that just happens to be on the corner. The site is truly amazing and the experience is one any traveling fan can appreciate, even if you did lose.

Been there, done that. I'd do it forever if I could!I've been there, too, on several occasions, and I agree. A great atmosphere and loads of fun. I remember trying to call home from a phone booth just across the street from Toomer's and it was impossible to hear anything. Also, even though I had on LSU garb, most of the Auburn fans were friendly and a few even gave me some toilet paper to throw. Nothing else quite like it. Also, it's a good place to spend a little time while the traffic clears out.

[Denny Chimes]

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1 Witness the greatest and loudest entrance in college football.
In 1983, head coach Joe Morrison of South Carolina wanted to in some way to inspire his team. So, for home opener against North Carolina in 1983, Morrison decided to play "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", better known as "2001-Space Odyssey" over the loud speaker prior to the Gamecock's entrance onto the field. A new tradition was born at Carolina. Morrison, probably the most highly regarded and most loved coaches ever at USC, died in 1989 at Williams-Brice from a heart attack. Morrison's unfinished legacy and demeanor come alive every saturday when the team enters onto the field. What has been called the greatest, loudest, and most exciting entrance in college football still continues today. So, If ever given the chance to ever see a saturday game in Columbia, be sure to be in your seat early for the this one of kind college experience.
WTF? #1? Hey, I went to USC last year to watch Bama play and can't say this team entrance was any more special than the others I saw, and I went to all Bama games last season. Only thing cool about it is it's the same song Elvis used for his concert entrance. USC should play some kind of exit music around the middle of the third quarter cause that's when all their "faithful" started filing out. Obviously, I put the Alabama experience #1 but The Grove at Ole Siss beats USC's visitor experience BY FAR! Sorry Cocks.

[GeauxTo]

[QUOTE=Denny Chimes]USC should play some kind of exit music around the middle of the third quarter cause that's when all their "faithful" started filing out. QUOTE]

Ha-Ha-Ha
Hilarious!
:laugh:

[AUFootball24]

Geaux, I like how you can respect other teams and their fans. Alot of SEC fans seem to hate all other schools and talk to the fans like they're garbage. Giving you rep points for coolness!

[GeauxTo]

Geaux, I like how you can respect other teams and their fans. Alot of SEC fans seem to hate all other schools and talk to the fans like they're garbage. Giving you rep points for coolness!
Thanks, Dude! As game three approaches, however, I may get less and less cool. Ha-Ha

[Denny Chimes]

Geaux, I like how you can respect other teams and their fans. Alot of SEC fans seem to hate all other schools and talk to the fans like they're garbage. Giving you rep points for coolness!
Oh man, are you in for a surprise! :laugh: No offense Geaux but this new guy just doesn't know what's in store does he?

[GeauxTo]

Oh man, are you in for a surprise! :laugh: No offense Geaux but this new guy just doesn't know what's in store does he?
Now Denny, you know how gentlemanly I am! Fair and balanced, fair and balanced.
:rofl:

[Denny Chimes]

Now Denny, you know how gentlemanly I am! Fair and balanced, fair and balanced.
:rofl:
No question (as Troy Aikman says about a thousand times during a FOX NFL broadcast), you're the most unbiased, non-homer fan I know. :yelrotflm

[cocky4ever]

...should play some kind of exit music around the middle of the third quarter cause that's when all their "faithful" started filing out.

Sounds like the Bama fans the last time we played in Tuscaloosa :closedeye

[GAMECOCKBOY]

8 Throw a roll at Toomer's Corner
Not many things compare to the post game victory celebration than happens at Auburn. After a team victory many tiger faithful then find themselves at the corner of College and Magnolia. Toomer's Drug Store , an Auburn landmark is the site of the most genuine form of property defacing in college football. Student, friends, and fans take turns throwing rolls of toilet paper around anything that just happens to be on the corner. The site is truly amazing and the experience is one any traveling fan can appreciate, even if you did lose.

Been there, done that. I'd do it forever if I could!


this is straight up hillbilly....

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Sounds like the Bama fans the last time we played in Tuscaloosa :closedeye
Just what I was thinking. I remember quite a few of the Bama fans headed out of the stadium well before the game was over.

[GAMECOCKBOY]

[QUOTE=Denny Chimes]WTF? #1? Hey, I went to USC last year to watch Bama play and can't say this team entrance was any more special than the others I saw, and I went to all Bama games last season. Only thing cool about it is it's the same song Elvis used for his concert entrance. USC should play some kind of exit music around the middle of the third quarter cause that's when all their "faithful" started filing out. Obviously, I put the Alabama experience #1 but The Grove at Ole Siss beats USC's visitor experience BY FAR! Sorry Cocks.[/QUOTE

i would say we have one of the top 2 best college football entrances in the nation....the only one that might be better then ours is fsu...i dont see anyone who is better then ours.....

[Denny Chimes]

Just what I was thinking. I remember seeing quite a few of the Bama fans heading out of the stadium well before the game was over.
Maybe so but I couldn't say as I was overseas at the time. I'm sure it wasn't in the 3rd Qtr though. At the 2005 Bama/USC game I was near quite a few Cocky Cocks (at least pre-game). It was great fun asking where they were going as they gathered up their stuff and trotted out of the fairgrounds with their heads tucked low. I'm sure you two would never abandon the Cocks, right? I hate to see folks leaving early. :wave:

[Denny Chimes]

[QUOTE=Denny Chimes]WTF? #1? Hey, I went to USC last year to watch Bama play and can't say this team entrance was any more special than the others I saw, and I went to all Bama games last season. Only thing cool about it is it's the same song Elvis used for his concert entrance. USC should play some kind of exit music around the middle of the third quarter cause that's when all their "faithful" started filing out. Obviously, I put the Alabama experience #1 but The Grove at Ole Siss beats USC's visitor experience BY FAR! Sorry Cocks.[/QUOTE

i would say we have one of the top 2 best college football entrances in the nation....the only one that might be better then ours is fsu...i dont see anyone who is better then ours.....
Whatever bro. You guys turn on the smoke (aka Miami), play Elvis music, and have a chicken scream out over the PA system. World class.

You should have a banner hanging that says "Top 2 Best College Football Entrances." That would make then, what...two banners total, not counting Sterling Sharpe's tribute? The other being 1969 ACC Champions. Nice!

[cocky4ever]

Maybe so but I couldn't say as I was overseas at the time. I'm sure it wasn't in the 3rd Qtr though

Trust me...the score was 20-3 at the end of the 3rd with Bama's lone points coming off of a FG in the 2nd. There were PLENTY of fans heading out of the stadium in the 3rd...

[GAMECOCKBOY]

Whatever bro. You guys turn on the smoke (aka Miami), play Elvis music, and have a chicken scream out over the PA system. World class.

You should have a banner hanging that says "Top 2 Best College Football Entrances." That would make then, what...two banners total, not counting Sterling Sharpe's tribute? The other being 1969 ACC Champions. Nice!
lol sounds like u have hate for us gamecocks...

[Denny Chimes]

lol sounds like u have hate for us gamecocks...
On the contrary my friend. Call it indifference but certainly not hate. I actually wish you guys were back in the ACC and Ga Tech take your place. Nothing personal (I wish Arkansas was gone too...crazy road trip to get up there, and not very fair for them to have to travel so far either) but it makes more sense regionally. Even Clemson would be a better fit IMO. I think this has all been said before so goodbye.

[DELTOR]

Whatever bro. You guys turn on the smoke (aka Miami), play Elvis music, and have a chicken scream out over the PA system. World class.

You should have a banner hanging that says "Top 2 Best College Football Entrances." That would make then, what...two banners total, not counting Sterling Sharpe's tribute? The other being 1969 ACC Champions. Nice!
Don't be jealous now. :happy: You know the "chicken scream" is awesome. How unique is that? I think it's pretty cool how we're probably the only school who plays a crowing gamecock, blaring over the PA and thousands of fans get in an excited uproar over it. I bet that thing could be heard from I-77. Quite unique and distinguishable tradition we have goin on there.

[Denny Chimes]

You know the "chicken scream" is awesome. How unique is that? I think it's pretty cool how we're probably the only school who plays a crowing gamecock, Quite unique and distinguishable tradition we have goin on there.
It's very unique. Ever wonder why? Cause it's GAY!
Hey, I realize this is a Gamecocks website. I'm just messing with you all. Carolina is alright in my book and I think Dark Visor is a great coach. Good luck. See you in a few years back in Columbus.

[DELTOR]

It's very unique. Ever wonder why? Cause it's GAY!
Wow, that wasn't a childish and immature remark. I expressed myself like that back in middle school.

[Denny Chimes]

Wow, that wasn't a childish and immature remark. I expressed myself like that back in middle school.
Well, I am going into the 8th grade this year. What do you expect?

[TigerFanatic]

[QUOTE=Denny Chimes]WTF? #1? Hey, I went to USC last year to watch Bama play and can't say this team entrance was any more special than the others I saw, and I went to all Bama games last season. Only thing cool about it is it's the same song Elvis used for his concert entrance. USC should play some kind of exit music around the middle of the third quarter cause that's when all their "faithful" started filing out. Obviously, I put the Alabama experience #1 but The Grove at Ole Siss beats USC's visitor experience BY FAR! Sorry Cocks.[/QUOTE

i would say we have one of the top 2 best college football entrances in the nation....the only one that might be better then ours is fsu...i dont see anyone who is better then ours.....have you ever been in tiger stadium when tigerband takes the field to play the LSU fight song? i don't think there's a person on earth who wouldn't get chills when we turn to your corner of the field to blair the opening lines...
one of the things we did after the game was said and done was get the film of it and watch the crowds reaction during the opening when we turned to them. its nothing short of amazing

[Bburton86]

It's very unique. Ever wonder why? Cause it's GAY!



ROFL :laugh:

[Bongo]

Well, I am going into the 8th grade this year. What do you expect?

8th grade in Alabama.. that makes you what, about 30 ? :ohmy:

[Denny Chimes]

8th grade in Alabama.. that makes you what, about 30 ? :ohmy:
36 actually. It's still a GAY intro. :laugh:

[DELTOR]

36 actually. It's still a GAY intro. :laugh:
Actually, it's not really our intro. "2001" is. The crowing gamecock is mostly played after scoring a touchdown, and right before the starting lineup is announced.

[Bburton86]

It's still a GAY intro.


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And who was it that said it was original? Umm......it was already in a movie. I don't think you can get any less original.

[GAMECOCKBOY]

have you ever been in tiger stadium when tigerband takes the field to play the LSU fight song? i don't think there's a person on earth who wouldn't get chills when we turn to your corner of the field to blair the opening lines...
one of the things we did after the game was said and done was get the film of it and watch the crowds reaction during the opening when we turned to them. its nothing short of amazing

that doesnt have anything on our 2001....we r use to tiger rag clemson plays the same song....

[TigerFanatic]

tiger rag?

....

[Wizard of Orange]

I've been to several games at WB stad. and I have to agree that it is an impressive entrance - it ain't the Big Orange running thru the T - but I , for one, think its pretty cool.

In fact, at most of those games, it was the highlight of the day for the 'Cock fans in attendance - things have normally gone down hill from that point forward.

[CRIMSONWHITE]

^Amen

Crimson, how many of those were you even alive for?

Seven, how many have you been alive for that Allbarn has? Don't count the PNC. :laugh:

[msgadawg]

No way there is ever a louder entrance to any stadium than at LSU,, Watching the band run down the hill before the stadium opens and the noise is so loud it shakes the ground, Then you go inside and think you have sean it all ,, When they strike it up and LSU hits that tunnel, I have never seen, heard or felt anything like it,, It is kind of noisy at Williams Brice but nothing compared to LSU, Bama UT and UGA

[GAMECOCKBOY]

No way there is ever a louder entrance to any stadium than at LSU,, Watching the band run down the hill before the stadium opens and the noise is so loud it shakes the ground, Then you go inside and think you have sean it all ,, When they strike it up and LSU hits that tunnel, I have never seen, heard or felt anything like it,, It is kind of noisy at Williams Brice but nothing compared to LSU, Bama UT and UGA
this coming from a miss state fan u arent saying much

[WDavE]

http://h1.ripway.com/forumpics/newtimeline.JPG

That made me spew coffee......... Funniest thing I've seen in quite some time...

[Denny Chimes]

this coming from a miss state fan u arent saying much
Actually, it says a lot. He's a MSU homer giving props to other schools. Yours just got left out, that's all. :uglyhamme

[GAMECOCKBOY]

Actually, it says a lot. He's a MSU homer giving props to other schools. Yours just got left out, that's all. :uglyhamme
i give props to other schools when i think they deserve it...

[Jay Bee]

Yes Coach Bryant is dead and you rivals are still jealous of what he accomplished. We have 12 NC's and 21 SECC, how many does USC have? Now to address the original post, squealing like a pig and throwing toilet paper in a tree are great traditions? :laugh:

Let's look at the 12 Mythical championships again..

WDE!
jb



1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn't exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.

From College Football Data Warehouse

The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 - 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 - Current.
Links:
History of Polls
Polling Systems
1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!
1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!
1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year.
1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. One poll didn't give it to Bama though.
1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.
1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.
1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games.

1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.
1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.
1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.
You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren't consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs where given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Auburn could claim four national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Auburn has one. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously. You can't find an Auburn site claiming four national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming twelve.

[DELTOR]

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And who was it that said it was original? Umm......it was already in a movie. I don't think you can get any less original.
I said the gamecock crowing is unique and distinguishable. I said nothing about 2001 being "original".

[azamugg]

Geaux, I like how you can respect other teams and their fans. Alot of SEC fans seem to hate all other schools and talk to the fans like they're garbage. Giving you rep points for coolness!

and Im taking points from you for being extremely corny

[azamugg]

Just what I was thinking. I remember quite a few of the Bama fans headed out of the stadium well before the game was over.

I was one of them

[azamugg]

[QUOTE=Denny Chimes]It's very unique. Ever wonder why? Cause it's GAY!


sometimes the truth hurts :laugh: LMAO

[azamugg]

Let's look at the 12 Mythical championships again..

WDE!
jb



1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn't exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.

From College Football Data Warehouse

The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 - 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 - Current.
Links:
History of Polls
Polling Systems
1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!
1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!
1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year.
1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. One poll didn't give it to Bama though.
1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.
1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.
1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games.

1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.
1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.
1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.
You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren't consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs where given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Auburn could claim four national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Auburn has one. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously. You can't find an Auburn site claiming four national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming twelve.


do you know there are facts such as the ones you bring up about every single national championship from every year........I believe you have a story about Auburn not getting it one particular year? Ever hear of the year that wouldve been Alabama's third NC (never been done) in a row, 1966 when Notre Dame lept from 5th to NC over a 2nd ranked Alabama team that won its bowl game and had an equal record of Notre Dames.................that story is personal so I know it but fans around the country can cry like you have, funny but you did it over your RIVALS NC's and not your own lack thereof................

too the NCAA doesnt RECOGNIZE NC's so that was fabricated on your part, you might be thinking of the 6 AP Nat'l Championships..............I'd like for you to know that every team in the Nation claims the NC's that were handed to them by, at that time, legitimate NC awarders

Im sorry your stolen truck is broke down and that your tooth hurts and that your genital warts are making it tough to wipe after a burrito lunch and that your son "out did" you in summer school............you should spend the time you spent on that post on something productive like ....fishin fer tonites supper

[cocky4ever]

I dont know aza....he makes a really strong case against a lot of your National Title's.

[AUFootball24]

and Im taking points from you for being extremely corny

What crawled up your ass and died?

Typical bammer, using personal attacks out of nowhere because he doesn't know how to argue football.

[azamugg]

I dont know aza....he makes a really strong case against a lot of your National Title's.

come on cocky, we blast it on national tv, we sing it from the rooftops.....do you think the university would do that if they werent legitimate?

In the 20's, 30's, etc the NC's were awarded Pre Bowl because the season was what was looked at......the bowl games were looked at as icing on the cake, a reward for having a good year.....only later did we decide to award NC's after the bowl game so ALL NC's were as questionable as ours was and without major polls like we've had for awhile schools relied on about 5 sources for awarding NC's, all legitimate sources made to sound illegitimate by crybabies like Jay Bee because they don't exist anymore........trust me the 12 nat'l champions have been run up the flag pole and guess what ? we're still claiming them, why? cuz they're legitimate

[azamugg]

What crawled up your ass and died?

Typical bammer, using personal attacks out of nowhere because he doesn't know how to argue football.

first off I was playing but you aubies are in such a defensive posture you can't see it..............I didn't take any stupid rep points from you, couldnt have if I wanted to cuz you don't have any

[Neo]

When watching SEC football, don't forget to pick up your favorite copy of........


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2057/dummies12copybk2.th.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dummies12copybk2.jpg)

[Denny Chimes]

aza, you're doing great and I'm enjoying watching you beat back these barners from the sideline. Let me know if you need a breather because I'm ready with some more whoop-ass if needed. :laugh:
WDave, that's your cue, brother.

[Neo]

You may wanna pick up a copy of Sports Illistrated also..... :laugh:

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5710/aubmag23iibn3.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aubmag23iibn3.jpg)

[azamugg]

I dont know aza....he makes a really strong case against a lot of your National Title's.

also Cocky heres a link to college football Data Warehouse site on Nat's champs

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/nchamps_year.php

you'll notice they don't recognize the 1941 Nat'l Championship that Bama does but thats the only one

[Williams-Brice]

Maybe so but I couldn't say as I was overseas at the time. I'm sure it wasn't in the 3rd Qtr though. At the 2005 Bama/USC game I was near quite a few Cocky Cocks (at least pre-game). It was great fun asking where they were going as they gathered up their stuff and trotted out of the fairgrounds with their heads tucked low. I'm sure you two would never abandon the Cocks, right? I hate to see folks leaving early. :wave:

It was before the 3rd quarter was halfway over in Tuscaloosa two years ago.

[Denny Chimes]

also Cocky heres a link to college football Data Warehouse site on Nat's champs

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/nchamps_year.php

you'll notice they don't recognize the 1941 Nat'l Championship that Bama does but thats the only one
And here's information on the "other five" we don't count. http://www.angelfire.com/al/bamacrimsontide/championships.html

If any other SEC schools have NCs, other than the Barn and the PNC of 2004, I'd like to see reference to them. I'm sure they are out there and would be interested if your school does/doesn't claim them. Lets get this out in the open once and for all and see where we all stack up.

[Williams-Brice]

36 actually. It's still a GAY intro. :laugh:

BAMA's got no intro. Some computer generated elephant noise blares and the team runs out. That's it.

[Denny Chimes]

BAMA's got no intro. Some computer generated elephant noise blares and the team runs out. That's it.
We don't claim to have the #1 team entrance either. We only claim championships, and lots of them. :laugh:

[Williams-Brice]

And who was it that said it was original? Umm......it was already in a movie. I don't think you can get any less original.

This coming from a Georgia fan, whose school stole their fight song "Glory, Glory" from "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and has a mascot about as original as a tiger.

[Neo]

........ :laugh:


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/492/f35wondermike10khym7.th.jpg (http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f35wondermike10khym7.jpg)

[Neo]

Be sure to talk to the Athens tour guides when visiting Georgia..... :laugh:


http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1293/deliver1tb7.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deliver1tb7.jpg)

[Noah.Dreams]

BAMA's got no intro. Some computer generated elephant noise blares and the team runs out. That's it.And when you are AlaDAMNbama, that's all you need.

[Denny Chimes]

With Love,

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e190/UGARED/Spurrier.jpg

[WDavE]

aza, you're doing great and I'm enjoying watching you beat back these barners from the sideline. Let me know if you need a breather because I'm ready with some more whoop-ass if needed. :laugh:
WDave, that's your cue, brother.

Let me paraphrase from a Monty Python movie..

You want to fight..... But you got no arms.

As I see it..... What could I possibly claim beating you up here? Everybody has read you by now....

[Bburton86]

I said the gamecock crowing is unique and distinguishable. I said nothing about 2001 being "original".


Every school has their mascot/animal making noises all the time. That isn't original either.

[Williams-Brice]

Every school has their mascot/animal making noises all the time. That isn't original either.

And every field is surrounded by hedges. That isn't original either.

[Cianne]

Every school has their mascot/animal making noises all the time. That isn't original either.

I don't believe we do.

[GeauxTo]

I don't believe we do.
That's because State thought of the cowbell first.
:laugh:

[Denny Chimes]

Let me paraphrase from a Monty Python movie..

You want to fight..... But you got no arms.

As I see it..... What could I possibly claim beating you up here? Everybody has read you by now....
That's weak. :dozey:

Alright old timer, save it up for another day. I just miss your banter. These other barners aren't quite as sophisticated as you. :laugh: Oh yeah, you're not a real barner. I forgot.

[Bburton86]

And every field is surrounded by hedges. That isn't original either.


Even if every field was the point is I didn't come out and say we have the best and most original hedges in the NCAA. :laugh:

[DELTOR]

Even if every field was the point is I didn't come out and say we have the best and most original hedges in the NCAA. :laugh:
Neither did any of us about intros

[Jay Bee]

do you know there are facts such as the ones you bring up about every single national championship from every year........I believe you have a story about Auburn not getting it one particular year? Ever hear of the year that wouldve been Alabama's third NC (never been done) in a row, 1966 when Notre Dame lept from 5th to NC over a 2nd ranked Alabama team that won its bowl game and had an equal record of Notre Dames.................that story is personal so I know it but fans around the country can cry like you have, funny but you did it over your RIVALS NC's and not your own lack thereof................

too the NCAA doesnt RECOGNIZE NC's so that was fabricated on your part, you might be thinking of the 6 AP Nat'l Championships..............I'd like for you to know that every team in the Nation claims the NC's that were handed to them by, at that time, legitimate NC awarders

Im sorry your stolen truck is broke down and that your tooth hurts and that your genital warts are making it tough to wipe after a burrito lunch and that your son "out did" you in summer school............you should spend the time you spent on that post on something productive like ....fishin fer tonites supper


Mugg -
I wasn't crying or whining, just presenting some information that indicates how ridiculous bammer nation's claim for GOT 12 is. Personally, I don't believe there is a national championship in college football (D1) since it isn't won on the field. I guess the only ones that come close to being legit are since the inception of the BCS. However, even that is scetchy (see LSwho and USC both claiming MNC a couple years back).
It's too bad that Division 1 hasn't followed the lead of the lower divisions and instituted a true playoff. The PTB argue that a playoff would put a hardship on players forcing them to play too many games. And yet, they keep adding games to the regular season schedule. Go figure. It's all about the benjamins.

You can claim all the MNC's you want. Pardon me if I think it's sad and funny that you do. Maybe, you ought to worry more about the state of your program now, and quit living in the past.

WDE!
jb

[Denny Chimes]

Mugg -
I wasn't crying or whining, just presenting some information that indicates how ridiculous bammer nation's claim for GOT 12 is. Personally, I don't believe there is a national championship in college football (D1) since it isn't won on the field. I guess the only ones that come close to being legit are since the inception of the BCS. However, even that is scetchy (see LSwho and USC both claiming MNC a couple years back).
It's too bad that Division 1 hasn't followed the lead of the lower divisions and instituted a true playoff. The PTB argue that a playoff would put a hardship on players forcing them to play too many games. And yet, they keep adding games to the regular season schedule. Go figure. It's all about the benjamins.

You can claim all the MNC's you want. Pardon me if I think it's sad and funny that you do. Maybe, you ought to worry more about the state of your program now, and quit living in the past.

WDE!
jb
Ok, list out the championships you think we deserve, and do the same for the barn. Do it or STFU! I'll personally recognize any list you come up with because I know it's still going to be at least 6:1 in favor of Bama.
:brick:

[Jay Bee]

Ok, list out the championships you think we deserve, and do the same for the barn. Do it or STFU! I'll personally recognize any list you come up with because I know it's still going to be at least 6:1 in favor of Bama.
:brick:

I'll concede 6, however, I think 3 is probably more realistic ('61, '79, '92). Claiming a championship after losing your bowl game is funny to me. But if it makes you feel better, by all means go for it!

As for AU, I guess '57 is it. We did get shafted when we beat Michigan and the Canes jumped past us in '83, but that's life. I also wish we could have played the California condoms in '04 but we didn't. If we'd have taken care of business with them in 2002 or 2003 things may have worked out differently.
As far as S(ing)TFU, please spare me. I'll post or not post whenever I want to, or until the mods decide I can't.

WDE!
jb

[Denny Chimes]

I'll concede 6, however, I think 3 is probably more realistic ('61, '79, '92). Claiming a championship after losing your bowl game is funny to me. But if it makes you feel better, by all means go for it!

As for AU, I guess '57 is it. We did get shafted when we beat Michigan and the Canes jumped past us in '83, but that's life. I also wish we could have played the California condoms in '04 but we didn't. If we'd have taken care of business with them in 2002 or 2003 things may have worked out differently.
As far as S(ing)TFU, please spare me. I'll post or not post whenever I want to, or until the mods decide I can't.

WDE!
jb
THANK YOU. That's all I wanted. Six works for me (and the AP). I have no problem with the others, nor does The University. We claim 12...so what? We've won a bunch, others in the SEC haven't. What's wrong with crowing a little? Geez, LSU proudly claims the most obnoxious fans, Carolina the best entrance (as I've recently learned), Tennessee, the best stadium...all subjective too. 21 SEC titles isn't. 12 (ok, 6 AP) National Championships isn't. Most bowl wins/most bowl appearances isn't. We're proud of our record as any of you other SEC team loyalists would be too. If you're biggest beef with Bama is the fans is living in the past, cool. Nobody knows what the future holds so all these predictions are like a-holes...everybody's got one. But everyone knows the past...it's recorded and out there for all to see. At Alabama, we're rightfully proud of it. Something wrong with that? My God, look how you barners have strutted around about beating us four in a row. Ancient history. Just think if you had beaten us nine in a row like Bama did the barn in the 70s. Your whole town would be buried in toilet paper by now. :laugh:
As for STFU...I'm sorry. I'm just fed up with criticism of our championship record with no actual defense of your own. I still challenge any of you fans from other schools to lay it out there for us all to see, so to speak. As long as we can discuss loudest stadiums, best atmosphere, entrance, uniforms etc., why can't we simply compare records? How about Bama vs the rest of the SEC heads-up? It doesn't always HAVE to be about championships but in reality, isn't that what matters most? Except at Georgia, where it's probably an unrealistic goal as Richt recently stated. :ohmy:

[Wizard of Orange]

Okay, DC, Alabama has the more Nat'l Championships than any other SEC team. Is that what you wanted?

Now, can we talk about something else? The thread was Top 10 things to do...this fall - meaning 2006.

Talking about Bama's past ain't on the list, visiting Bear's grave ain't on the list, deciphering the intricacies of the million different groups that have awarded NCs over the last hundred yrs ain't on the list, blah blah blah.

Trash-talking with rabid fans from rival schools, however, really should be on here somewhere, though.

[Denny Chimes]

Okay, DC, Alabama has the more Nat'l Championships than any other SEC team. Is that what you wanted?

Now, can we talk about something else? The thread was Top 10 things to do...this fall - meaning 2006.

Talking about Bama's past ain't on the list, visiting Bear's grave ain't on the list, deciphering the intricacies of the million different groups that have awarded NCs over the last hundred yrs ain't on the list, blah blah blah.

Trash-talking with rabid fans from rival schools, however, really should be on here somewhere, though.
Typical. Hey Wizzo, I ain't the one that brought it up. I learned a long time ago on this forum that the lines between threads are often blurry. How many threads end with the same topic that started them? I for one hope we can put "Bama's mythical National Championships" debate to rest. It's old and if you do your research, it ain't Bama folks bringing it up all the time.

[Wizard of Orange]

I know...It seems to be one of the favorite needlin points towards you bamers, particularly from the barnmen. BUT can't you hear the snickers as you work so hard to defend?

[Denny Chimes]

I know...It seems to be one of the favorite needlin points towards you bamers, particularly from the barnmen. BUT can't you hear the snickers as you work so hard to defend?
Yeah, but wouldn't it be hard for you to sit there and let the General's record, personal life, and accomplishments be distorted and lied about? Especially coming from folks who have no tradition, other than vandalizing their "campus" after a win and being known for the most crooked program in all of college football. :ohmy:

BTW, I'm looking forward to my first visit to Neyland this Fall. Should be fun.

[Wizard of Orange]

Yeah, but wouldn't it be hard for you to sit there and let the General's record, personal life, and accomplishments be distorted and lied about? Especially coming from folks who have no tradition, other than vandalizing their "campus" after a win and being known for the most crooked program in all of college football. :ohmy:

BTW, I'm looking forward to my first visit to Neyland this Fall. Should be fun.
Actually, It would probably be more difficult for me to take if it came from some fanbase with a lotta credentials than one that did not. I'm not sure.


As far as your trip, I hope you thoroughly enjoy the atmosphere and thoroughly hate the game.

[Jay Bee]

Yeah, but wouldn't it be hard for you to sit there and let the General's record, personal life, and accomplishments be distorted and lied about? Especially coming from folks who have no tradition, other than vandalizing their "campus" after a win and being known for the most crooked program in all of college football. :ohmy:

BTW, I'm looking forward to my first visit to Neyland this Fall. Should be fun.

Just when I thought you may be reasonable (for a bammer that is) you have to come out and spew this garbage. Why can't you just be proud of your team's history and tradition without trying to disparage one of your rivals?

WDE!
jb

[Denny Chimes]

Just when I thought you may be reasonable (for a bammer that is) you have to come out and spew this garbage. Why can't you just be proud of your team's history and tradition without trying to disparage one of your rivals?

WDE!
jb

jb, you're right.
Let me re-phrase my post: Especially coming from folks who enjoy throwing toilet paper all over a street corner after a win and being known for the program with the most NCAA infractions in all of college football. That better? I didn't distort the facts did I?
Disparage one of your rivals? Who wrote this?



Let's look at the 12 Mythical championships again..

WDE!
jb



1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn't exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.

From College Football Data Warehouse

The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 - 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 - Current.
Links:
History of Polls
Polling Systems
1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!
1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!
1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year.
1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. One poll didn't give it to Bama though.
1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.
1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.
1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games.

1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.
1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.
1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.
You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren't consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs where given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Auburn could claim four national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Auburn has one. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously. You can't find an Auburn site claiming four national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming twelve.

You throw that stuff out there then cry when someone challenges you on it. Can't have it both ways. :confused:

[Jay Bee]

jb, you're right.
Let me re-phrase my post: Especially coming from folks who enjoy throwing toilet paper all over a street corner after a win and being known for the program with the most NCAA infractions in all of college football. That better? I didn't distort the facts did I?
Disparage one of your rivals? Who wrote this?



You throw that stuff out there then cry when someone challenges you on it. Can't have it both ways. :confused:

One last time. I was merely making a point. I didn't say anything about your philandering coaches or your schools scrapes with the NCAA. Personally, I've never thrown a roll of toilet paper in a tree. I don't have anything against it, just not my style. Please show me something showing that AU is the most penalized team in the NCAA? I seem to recall a team from Tejas getting the death penalty. BTW, something you may want to consider if Chris Keyes tells what he knows.

I'm sorry if I helped swerve this thread. Back to the original premise, I enjoyed tailgating in Athens, wasn't too fond of Tuscaloosa (except for game results!). Lswho was pretty cool. Very rabid fans.. Miss St is even more remote than AU, nice campus though. Never been to the rest of the SEC venues for football. I did visit all of the basketball venues a while back, except for Arkansas (it was an early week game their first year in the SEC and I had to work)

WDE!

jb

[azamugg]

One last time. I was merely making a point. I didn't say anything about your philandering coaches or your schools scrapes with the NCAA. Personally, I've never thrown a roll of toilet paper in a tree. I don't have anything against it, just not my style. Please show me something showing that AU is the most penalized team in the NCAA? I seem to recall a team from Tejas getting the death penalty. BTW, something you may want to consider if Chris Keyes tells what he knows.

I'm sorry if I helped swerve this thread. Back to the original premise, I enjoyed tailgating in Athens, wasn't too fond of Tuscaloosa (except for game results!). Lswho was pretty cool. Very rabid fans.. Miss St is even more remote than AU, nice campus though. Never been to the rest of the SEC venues for football. I did visit all of the basketball venues a while back, except for Arkansas (it was an early week game their first year in the SEC and I had to work)

WDE!

jb

Im sure someone will follow with the site JB but there is a site that lists all teams and the number of times they have been on probation and Aubie is right at the top...............like I said stay tuned, the link will come from someone

[WDavE]

We have been penalized 6-7 times in our history....

According to the majority of your fan base. The only reason we are having success now is because Big Brother stepped in and punished you. Then going by your very own logic. Wouldn't that also be the reason you only lead our head to head by 6-7 games?

I'll also make it convient for your end all rebuttals to any arguments:


*** Paste Past Glories here***

[Denny Chimes]

67 times? Damn, I knew it was a bunch but didn't realize it was that bad!

No, the reason it's gotten that close is the last four years, no doubt. 10 or 11 wins ahead for Bama has been fairly standard in this rivalry. Think you're going to even it up before we take off on another streak of our own? That's a tough hill to climb. Past glory alert: Thank God and Bear for those nine straight. We've needed them lately! Kind of like a savings account, you know? :laugh:

Glad to see you've joined in WDave. I miss you when you're not around! BTW, belated congrats on the moderator promotion. I'm glad we're friends! :tongue:

[Bburton86]

Neither did any of us about intros


Here ya go.


i would say we have one of the top 2 best college football entrances in the nation....the only one that might be better then ours is fsu...i dont see anyone who is better then ours.....

[cocky4ever]

Better does not equal original....and your original logic on the matter was stupid anyway. You said that the song was used in a movie so it cant be original. How many teams use songs that were written specifically for their team?? I dont know of any other team in the country that uses 2001 as an entrance song...that makes our entrance original...no one said the song it'self was original.

[DELTOR]

Better does not equal original....and your original logic on the matter was stupid anyway. You said that the song was used in a movie so it cant be original. How many teams use songs that were written specifically for their team?? I dont know of any other team in the country that uses 2001 as an entrance song...that makes our entrance original...no one said the song it'self was original.
Thank you cocky. You took the words right outta my mouth.

[GAMECOCKBOY]

Here ya go.
do me a favor and say nothing else

[Bamabelle in georgia]

The general beat CPB 7 times......
and you all say WE live in the past!
puh-lease!

[Wizard of Orange]

The general beat CPB 7 times......
and you all say WE live in the past!
puh-lease!
Belle, I'm assuming that's aimed at me...

I've no problem with Bamers living in the past - you really have a marvelous and storied tradition. Its usually the barners that give you grief over the "history" thing.

I, for one, am extremely proud of TN's history and tradition. I think its pretty cool that the General taught Bear how to coach football... :happy:

[Bburton86]

do me a favor and say nothing else

I can't do you any favors since you refuse to learn punctuation.

[Denny Chimes]

Belle, I'm assuming that's aimed at me...

I've no problem with Bamers living in the past - you really have a marvelous and storied tradition. Its usually the barners that give you grief over the "history" thing.

I, for one, am extremely proud of TN's history and tradition. I think its pretty cool that the General taught Bear how to coach football... :happy:
Touche' and we're much appreciative!

[Noah.Dreams]

Let's look at the 12 Mythical championships again..

WDE!
jb



1925 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with Dartmouth. Who awarded the NC? Houlgate and Helms. Houlgate started his system in 1927. So Bama won their 1925 NC using a formula that didn't exist until 1927? Helms Athletic Foundation started in 1941. Another incredible retroactive NC.

From College Football Data Warehouse

The Associated Press Poll has been active since 1936. The AP took their final poll prior to bowl games from 1936 - 1964 and in 1966 and 1967. They took their final poll after the bowl games in 1965 and from 1968 - Current.
Links:
History of Polls
Polling Systems
1926 National Championship- Alabama claims they share this one with 3 other teams with equal or better records! Once again it is the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1941 that awards it!
1930 National Championship- The Davis poll says that Bama tied Notre Dame for NC this year. This was the only one to award it to Bama. Notre Dame was named NC in 6 polls! Parke Davis is another retroactive system! He (an individual, not an organization) did his in 1933!
1934 National Championship- Alabama says they share this with two other teams. The awarders are Dunkel, Williamson, and Football Thesaurus. Dunkel was an individual who came up with his own system. Williamson was a geologist who came up with his own system. Football Thesaurus first appeared in 1946!

1941 National Championship- This is a complete joke. The AP ranked Alabama 20th in the nation with 14 teams with better records in the top 20. Once again it is the Football Thesaurus that retroactively awards it. Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC that year.
1961 National Championship- Finally a legitimate NC. One poll didn't give it to Bama though.
1964 National Championship- While the AP did award the NC to Bama (10-1-0), Arkansas had the better record, 11-0. Alabama played Texas in their bowl and LOST. The AP final poll was before the bowl.
1965 National Championship- The AP gave this to Bama. That year there were three teams with better records than Bama. Bama 9-1-1, Michigan St 10-1-0, Arkansas 10-1-0, Nebraska 10-1-0.
1973 National Championship- AP puts Bama 4th after their bowl game loss. Bama claims a NC from the UPI poll that was taken before they met Notre Dame in the bowl game and lost. There were 3 teams with better records than Bama that year. The embarrassment of naming Alabama number one caused the UPI to name champions after bowl games.

1978 National Championship- AP gives this to Alabama(11-1-0) even though USC (12-1-0) had the better record Guess who Alabama lost to that year? USC!!!!!!!!!. UPI gave the NC to USC.
1979 National Championship- Their second legitimate NC. Their first Unanimous NC.
1992 National Championship- Their third legitimate NC. Their second Unanimous NC.
You can see why people ridicule Bama fans when they talk about 12 NCs. The early ones were awarded by individuals years after the games were played. These weren't consensus polls but NCs awarded by people that had their own formula for determining champions. Some NCs where given before bowl games that Bama lost. Using Alabama logic, Auburn could claim four national championships. But when Bammers brag they like to say they have twelve and Auburn has one. How silly. The NCAA recognizes 6 NCs for Bama and there are only two NCs that Bama has unanimously. You can't find an Auburn site claiming four national championships but there are plenty Bama sites claiming twelve.
Very creative research you have there. That took a lot of work.

Which brings up and interesting point. When you examine Auburn's national championship under the same scrunity you will find UPI actually selected Ohio State as the national champion of 1957.

[Jay Bee]

Very creative research you have there. That took a lot of work.

Which brings up and interesting point. When you examine Auburn's national championship under the same scrunity you will find UPI actually selected Ohio State as the national champion of 1957.

Yep. That's why they are called Mythical National Championships. As I stated. Division 1 doesn't have a true champion since there is no real playoff.

BTW, I never asserted that I did the research. It's from a website authored by someone else.

WDE!

jb

[GatorNation]

THANK YOU. That's all I wanted. Six works for me (and the AP). I have no problem with the others, nor does The University. We claim 12...so what? We've won a bunch, others in the SEC haven't. What's wrong with crowing a little? Geez, LSU proudly claims the most obnoxious fans, Carolina the best entrance (as I've recently learned), Tennessee, the best stadium...all subjective too. 21 SEC titles isn't. 12 (ok, 6 AP) National Championships isn't. Most bowl wins/most bowl appearances isn't. We're proud of our record as any of you other SEC team loyalists would be too. If you're biggest beef with Bama is the fans is living in the past, cool. Nobody knows what the future holds so all these predictions are like a-holes...everybody's got one. But everyone knows the past...it's recorded and out there for all to see. At Alabama, we're rightfully proud of it. Something wrong with that?

I think there's something wrong with claiming 12 NC when the realistic number is six.

There's a big difference between those two numbers.

[GeauxTo]

I think there's something wrong with claiming 12 NC when the realistic number is six.

There's a big difference between those two numbers.
Well, you know, Advanced Math at the Capstone... Rithmatic R Us.
:laugh:

[Noah.Dreams]

Yep. That's why they are called Mythical National Championships. As I stated. Division 1 doesn't have a true champion since there is no real playoff.

BTW, I never asserted that I did the research. It's from a website authored by someone else.

WDE!

jb
It's only a myth if you ain't got one.

[Denny Chimes]

I think there's something wrong with claiming 12 NC when the realistic number is six.

There's a big difference between those two numbers.
Six is only the AP titles and I don't give a damn what you think. One decade of success for you doesn't equal a century of success like us. Heck, we even won a NC and a couple of SEC titles during your glory years of Spurrier.

Florida Gators: The arrogance of Notre Dame and the traditon of Wake Forest! :yelrotflm

[GatorNation]

Six is only the AP titles and I don't give a damn what you think. One decade of success for you doesn't equal a century of success like us. Heck, we even won a NC and a couple of SEC titles during your glory years of Spurrier.
Well, I'm entitled to an opinion (even if that opinion angers your sense of SEC "superiority").

But claiming a NC after losing the bowl game--if that, in fact, happened (as another poster clearly argued)--isn't much of a legacy about which to brag.

:rolleyes:

That's just sad....whether you give a crap or not.

[Denny Chimes]

Sure you're entitled to an opinion; I just don't care what it is, especially from a fan of a school with a mediocre history at best.
If we claim a national championship, would you agree we were AWARDED that national championship? Would you want us to give it back? Would you give it back, especially if it was common practice to award the title prior to the bowl games at that time? Do you realize Notre Dame went A LONG TIME without playing in a bowl game because they didn't think them important? There's a lot more relevance to bowls today and how your stack up nationally in the rankings.

You guys are quick to say Bear did all his winning in a different era BUT won't apply the same logic to how we were awarded championships! :sad: Why is that?

And who is always bringing up our championships on this forum? It's not Bama fans. We end up defending them. The Bama nation is comfortable with 12 and nationally recognized with such. How many you think we deserve is moot but I will forward your concerns to our President and AD! :laugh:

[Neo]

One decade of success for you doesn't equal a century of success like us.


It's hard to argue with statistics though....

Steve O. Spurrier: 16 years/149 wins/45 losses/2 ties = .765
Paul "The Bear" Bryant: 38 years/323 wins/85 losses/17 ties = .780

Average wins per year: Bryant = 8.5 Spurrier = 9.3


Even if Spurrier isn't all the way there, he will be soon enough.

Just my 0.02

[Noah.Dreams]

Well, I'm entitled to an opinion (even if that opinion angers your sense of SEC "superiority").

But claiming a NC after losing the bowl game--if that, in fact, happened (as another poster clearly argued)--isn't much of a legacy about which to brag.

:rolleyes:

That's just sad....whether you give a crap or not.
Don't frame history by using today's perspective. The value of a bowl game and it's contribution to crown a champ wasn't fully conceived until the late 60s and early 70s. Up until that point, a team's regular season schedule was the key criteria that determined a champion. A bowl game was a reward for the players enjoy and were rarely taken seriously. Imagine if you will, Alabama traveling to the Rose Bowl in the 1920s, it took 6 weeks by train.

[Denny Chimes]

It's hard to argue with statistics though....

Steve O. Spurrier: 16 years/149 wins/45 losses/2 ties = .765
Paul "The Bear" Bryant: 38 years/323 wins/85 losses/17 ties = .780

Average wins per year: Bryant = 8.5 Spurrier = 9.3


Even if Spurrier isn't all the way there, he will be soon enough.

Just my 0.02
You make interesting observations but not valid points...more games per season now, less ties due to overtime...and Bear still had a higher winning percentage and six NCs. Bear was dead and gone at 69. Spurrier is 61 (I think). I don't see Spurrier entering that elite 1% "soon enough."
Look at Bryants 1970-1980 decade with Spurrier's 1990-2000 decade if you want a snapshot instead of a "historical/long-term comparison, because as you say, the book isn't finished on Spurrier yet. Great coach, don't get me wrong, but apples and awranges IMO.

[Neo]

You make interesting observations but not valid points...more games per season now, less ties due to overtime...and Bear still had a higher winning percentage and six NCs. Bear was dead and gone at 69. Spurrier is 61 (I think). I don't see Spurrier entering that elite 1% "soon enough."
Look at Bryants 1970-1980 decade with Spurrier's 1990-2000 decade if you want a snapshot instead of a "historical/long-term comparison, because as you say, the book isn't finished on Spurrier yet. Great coach, don't get me wrong, but apples and awranges IMO.


Don't get me wrong. I'm in no way dissing Mr. Bryant. I'm just saying from a winning percentage angle and SEC championships, that Mr. Spurrier could be considered one of the SEC's elite coaches of all time along with Mr. Bryant. :happy:

[GatorNation]

Sure you're entitled to an opinion; I just don't care what it is, especially from a fan of a school with a mediocre history at best.

If we claim a national championship, would you agree we were AWARDED that national championship?


No, because that was the whole point of those posts! According to the information provided in earlier posts, Bama apparently wasn't "awarded" some of those titles; they simply claimed them because various writers and analysts had a "pro-bama" bias. Well, I'm sure writers disagreed. I'm sure there were writers who thought--despite the Orange Bowl loss--Nebraska was the best team in the nation in '83...that, by all accounts, they basically shared the title because TO forfeited the game by going for two. NU should claim that NC, too, I guess....and maybe even the 1982 title as well? You hear that, Neo? You guys got two more titles!

No sane non-bama fan--or ANY fan if they're really honest about it--would agree such a process [arbitrarily picking a "best team" after the regular season before the bowl] is a legitimate way to crown a true champion. But if that's the way we're going to do things, then what the hell....someone should track down all the sports writers/voters and get their personal picks for the last, say, 25-35 national champions....and whatever evidence exists from any earlier decades. We'd probably even get titles for 1911, 1923, 1928 (chosen, of course, before the UT game), 1960, 1969, 1984, 1985, 1991, and definitely 1995 (before the bowl).

If programs can claim titles based upon arbitrary picks of sports writers after incomplete seasons, then I/we can also arbirtarily choose to reject the validity of those early, haphazard titles that do little to determine a true champion.

[Noah.Dreams]

Don't get me wrong. I'm in no way dissing Mr. Bryant. I'm just saying from a winning percentage angle and SEC championships, that Mr. Spurrier could be considered one of the SEC's elite coaches of all time along with Mr. Bryant. :happy:
I'll give you that. Spurrier is a genius.

[Denny Chimes]

If programs can claim titles based upon arbitrary picks of sports writers after incomplete seasons, then I/we can also arbirtarily choose to reject the validity of those early, haphazard titles that do little to determine a true champion.
YAWN. You just accept the research conducted by a fan of the barn, a hated rival of Alabama, as fact? :laugh:

Would you feel the same way if the Gators were the ones with the "disputed" NCs? Sure you would. :rolleyes: You can arbitrarily do a lot of things...I can think of several LOL!

We claim 12. I'm comfortable with it. Think you can change my mind? :laugh: How championships are awarded has obviously been revised several times throughout the years. NEWS FLASH: Leather helmets are in museums, face masks are the standard now and the wing T is considered obsolete.

Since there were no internet forums to debate what went on in the minds of sports writers during the depression and since the NCAA doesn't even recognize a NC to this day (and some might argue the current process just as convoluted), why such a hard on for Alabama claiming championships that were actually AWARDED them? Name some schools who have "disputed" championships that ignore them. Until you prove to me that those "ancient" publications, organizations, or whatever they were back then, weren't as accepted or relevant as AP, USA/Today, ESPN/Coaches polls are today, I'll continue to dismiss you as just another ignorant, jealous fan of a historically mediocre program. RTR!

Neo, Spurrier is a great coach and I wish the Cocks well as he tries to establish USC East as a player.

[Wizard of Orange]

Well, I'm entitled to an opinion (even if that opinion angers your sense of SEC "superiority").

But claiming a NC after losing the bowl game--if that, in fact, happened (as another poster clearly argued)--isn't much of a legacy about which to brag.

:rolleyes:

That's just sad....whether you give a crap or not.

Unfortunately, the opposite scenario also holds true. Example : 1938 ( talk about ancient history) Oklahoma was awarded most NC, prior to the bowls. Tn was also undefeated and played them in the bowl. TN 17 OKL 0. The next year, TN went undefeated, was awarded most NC, then lost to USC in the bowl. Which should we claim? Neither? Both?

That's just the way it was done, then. If the nc's were declared after bowls, would the outcomes have been different? Very possibly...

Really its no different than rules of the game changing.

[GatorNation]

YAWN. You just accept the research conducted by a fan of the barn, a hated rival of Alabama, as fact? :laugh:


Yes. (Has anyone shown us otherwise?)

But, hey, believe whatever floats your boat, Denny. I certainly couldn't care less if you want to claim titles from before WWII, when some school--somewhere--was using cow dung for footballs. But you certainly seem to have a need to do exactly that (is a legacy really a legacy if you have to convince people of it?)...

You can claim 12, and I'll claim the AP six. And we'll just forever agree to disagree on this issue.

:dry:

[Denny Chimes]

Yes. (Has anyone shown us otherwise?)

But, hey, believe whatever floats your boat, Denny. I certainly couldn't care less if you want to claim titles from before WWII, when some school--somewhere--was using cow dung for footballs. But you certainly seem to have a need to do exactly that (is a legacy really a legacy if you have to convince people of it?)...

You can claim 12, and I'll claim the AP six. And we'll just forever agree to disagree on this issue.

:dry:
You can claim the ONE that I know of, 1996. I'm not aware of Bama/UF splitting ANY titles (and yes, I know what you meant). And you're not grasping the point: Things have changed. I would be perfectly willing for everyone to start from scratch with ZERO NCs when the NZAA officially begins awarding a true champion. Our old titles could be referred to as "Pre-?", and the future ones as "Post-?" Would that be fair to you? You guys are like all the other factions in society now...if you can beat 'em, either sue or rewrite all the rules. :sad:

[Denny Chimes]

That's just the way it was done, then. If the nc's were declared after bowls, would the outcomes have been different? Very possibly...

Really its no different than rules of the game changing.
Exactly. Maybe that's why they changed it to after bowl games but why shouldn't schools count them if that was the standard at that time? Alabama obviously isn't the only one. We may have more "controversial" NCs, but we were also having more success than most too. :brick:

[CRIMSONWHITE]

You can claim the ONE that I know of, 1996. I'm not aware of Bama/UF splitting ANY titles (and yes, I know what you meant). And you're not grasping the point: Things have changed. I would be perfectly willing for everyone to start from scratch with ZERO NCs when the NZAA officially begins awarding a true champion. Our old titles could be referred to as "Pre-?", and the future ones as "Post-?" Would that be fair to you? You guys are like all the other factions in society now...if you can beat 'em, either sue or rewrite all the rules. :sad:

DC, some people act like there wasn't any real football played before the AP came along. Newsflash for you people who think that, there was football and national titles. The ones that like to diss up about all our titles are the ones that have very few and that's pathetic. Jealousy is all that it is.

[Wizard of Orange]

Exactly. Maybe that's why they changed it to after bowl games but why shouldn't schools count them if that was the standard at that time? Alabama obviously isn't the only one. We may have more "controversial" NCs, but we were also having more success than most too. :brick:

That was my point...