Orgeron?

[Neo]

What's everyone's take on him so far? I'm betting that Ogreron is gonna get "Cutcliffe'd" as early as next year if he doesn't at least win 4-5 games.


Opinions?


In Honor Of You....."Cutcliffe'd"

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Name: David Nelson Cutcliffe
Born: September 16, 1954 in Birmingham, Ala.
Wife: The former Karen Oran of Harriman, Tenn.
Married: June 23, 1984
Children: Chris (2/6/87), Katie (4/12/89), Emily (8/8/2000)
Hobbies: Family & Fishing

Position: Head Coach; 1998-2004
Record At Ole Miss: 44-29-0
Career Record: 44-29-0

[bbqit]

What's everyone's take on him so far? I'm betting that Ogreron is gonna get "Cutcliffe'd" as early as next year if he doesn't at least win 4-5 games.


Opinions?

There ya go again. Trying to give O a hard time while givin Cut your love.

[Neo]

There ya go again. Trying to give O a hard time while givin Cut your love.


LOL! :laugh: I hear ya man. Putting all jokes aside, I really liked Cutcliffe when he was at OM. I just think he got screwed plain and simple.

[bbqit]

LOL! :laugh: I hear ya man. Putting all jokes aside, I really liked Cutcliffe when he was at OM. I just think he got screwed plain and simple.

Cut is a good man and I think his firing was handled very poorly. I also think he is where he needs to be wearing orange. You can't coach a team the way he did with significantly less talent than he was used to at tenn.

[RebelsRule10]

I think coach "O" is doing a good job. He didn't come to Olemiss with alot of talent already here, but I think he is doing a Great Job of recruiting better talent. Cutcliffe is a great person, But the recruiting part of his last two years at Olemiss was very poor. :thumbsdow That is why we have not won many games the last two years. It was different when Eli was at Olemiss, you didn't have to recruit, everyone was eager to play with Eli Manning. I believe Coach O will get us back going in the right direction.

[drummerdawg]

i think if coach O-1 against MSU doesnt win more than 4 then he's gone

[bbqit]

i think if coach O-1 against MSU doesnt win more than 4 then he's gone

And I think if Croom doesn't win more than 3 then he is stayin

[drummerdawg]

And I think if Croom doesn't win more than 3 then he is stayin

yup me too! :dry:

[HottyToddy45]

There is no way Coach O will be getting fired after this year. The man is bringing in truck loads of talent to Oxford something Cut couldn't do like RebelsRule said people wanted to play with Eli. As for the Cowbell shakin fools out there im glad yall are happy you got the egg because you won't be seein it after this year for another decade or so.

[drummerdawg]

watever! your lil coach O-1 against MSU will be fired if he has less than 4 games next year i can allmost promise u that! but all that talent has yet to be seen and keep thinking you will be great but dont be to dissapointed when your not! the only thing that helps yall out next year is yalls schedule, wich is a verry easy one to win at least 6 games. and u keep wishin u had the egg but guess wat......its in Starkville, and i think it will stay there for a while!

[HottyToddy45]

drummer you want to put some money on all this? I just can't wait to see Henig get absolutely torn apart.

[bbqit]

Just took a close look at the schedules. I can't see that big a difference. Dog, show me where the big difference is.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

drummer you want to put some money on all this? I just can't wait to see Henig get absolutely torn apart.
That may happen earlier than you think (see below). :laugh:

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[RebelsRule10]

Hey bbqit, he can't tell the difference between a boy and a girl, much less a schedule !

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[bbqit]

Hey bbqit, he can't tell the difference between a boy and a girl, much less a schedule !

http://www.geocities.com/rebel_football_2001/gifs/msstatepiss.gifhttp://www.geocities.com/rebel_football_2001/updatedgifs/Bullysc.gif


Talking football with Ms State fans is something I am used to. I live in an area that is infested with them. One of the year round things I hear every year is Ole Miss has an easy schedule. Nothing new. I wish somebody would show me the sec school that has an easy schedule.

[HottyToddy45]

He just knows how to plow and rattle a cowbell

[bbqit]

He just knows how to plow and rattle a cowbell

The cow bell I will go with but Plow i am not so sure. I grow a little cotton. A little by my standards.

[drummerdawg]

[QUOTE=RebelsRule10]Hey bbqit, he can't tell the difference between a boy and a girl, much less a schedule !

WTF is that supposed to mean? ok so tell me, u think your have a tough schedule? everyone knows that ole piss schedule is to their favor and dont tell me that yalls schedule is as tough as ours!

[downshall]

A) Please don't bring the 'ole piss' crap over here. This is a decent board, where most people get along. Why does a State fan have to ruin it yet aGAIN?

B) There is no way Coach O gets fired for less than 4 wins. Period. He is bringing more talent into the program than any coach has in a long, long time. He's going to be given a chance to see what he can do with it. Plan for Coach O to be here another 3 years.

C) We have a cake schedule OOC. You've got WV. You win, grats on losing another game.


P.S.: It doesn't help to scream about your tough schedule when you lose to UAB, Maine, and Houston.

[HMSUDAWGS]

I think it is ridiculous to think that coach O will be fired after this year. I also think its funny to think Croom will be fired. When any coach takes over a program like MSU or Ole Miss it takes a while to get them competitive again. I think with the recruits O got last year Ole Miss may become competitive quicker than it is taking MSU to get there. But either way both administrations know that it takes time. Neither team is going to get an influx of all 4 and 5 star recruits. We mainly have to bet our money on those guys who come from small town MS that are just as good as 4 and 5 star recruits but just don't get the recognition of everyone because no one has heard of where they live or the school they play for. I think this is the year for MSU to take a step forward and surprise a few people this year. I don't see Ole Miss doing that this year, but I'm not bashing ya'll. I think they will more than likely be better than MSU next year, because of some of the recruits ya'll are getting.

[GeauxTo]

Orgeron and Cut are both good, but in different ways. Cut seems much better positioned for success at Tennessee than he was at Ole Miss. The recruiting is there already, and he has abundant talent to coach. His good coaching skills and classiness as a person will blossom and be appreciated.

Orgeron has recruited well. He's also a "drum banging" motivator who can get a team aroused. Unpredictable, yes. A little crazy, yes. But, a good fit for what Ole Miss needs? Probably.

[HMSUDAWGS]

He can really get the players up huh? That's why he was able to motivate them against a team that he shouldn't have to motivate them for MSU. I think he's getting some decent recruits but I don't think he's the right fit for Ole Miss yet. He may surprise me. I still don't think Croom's the right fit for MSU either yet.

[Neo]

I think it is ridiculous to think that coach O will be fired after this year. I also think its funny to think Croom will be fired. When any coach takes over a program like MSU or Ole Miss it takes a while to get them competitive again.


Croom's butt is getting awfully warm with the allumni as far as I'm being told. If Croom or Orgeron is going to get the job done, it's gonna take at least 5-6 years. Hell, the NCAA came down on MSU and to be honest, Croom and MSU are a tough sell to a recruit.



I think with the recruits O got last year Ole Miss may become competitive quicker than it is taking MSU to get there. But either way both administrations know that it takes time.


Maybe later than you think. Both Croom and Orgeron are raiding the JUCO ranks and that doesn't spell out long term success. Orgeron more so than Croom. You should only recruit 2-3 JUCOS a year mainly as immediate space fillers and not to build depth.

If OM's admin really believed that, they would never have fired a coach with a 44-29-0 record now would they?



Neither team is going to get an influx of all 4 and 5 star recruits. We mainly have to bet our money on those guys who come from small town MS that are just as good as 4 and 5 star recruits but just don't get the recognition of everyone because no one has heard of where they live or the school they play for.



You're really reaching there. Those unranked/unknowns are few and far between. I'll bet my money on the 4-5 star recruits anyday.




I think this is the year for MSU to take a step forward and surprise a few people this year. I don't see Ole Miss doing that this year, but I'm not bashing ya'll. I think they will more than likely be better than MSU next year, because of some of the recruits ya'll are getting.



Not no, but HELL NO! Watching MSU play last year was like having a serious brain hemmorage. They stunk that bad. MSU is still at least 4-5 years away from actually challenging the upper echelon of the SEC.

What I can't figure out is how you can say in previous posts that you think MSU will win against USC. I would really love to hear your explaination on that. Spurrier won more games in year 1 than Croom has done in two years. Now you're going to tell me that he's (Croom) gonna take the SEC by storm? I don't think so.

Looking at the two rosters, compared to MSU USC is stacked with talent and that cannot be disputed no matter how you pervert it. :laugh:

[GeauxTo]

He can really get the players up huh? That's why he was able to motivate them against a team that he shouldn't have to motivate them for MSU. I think he's getting some decent recruits but I don't think he's the right fit for Ole Miss yet. He may surprise me. I still don't think Croom's the right fit for MSU either yet.
Crooms is a classy gentleman, but he's a dud as a head coach. The overall planning and adjustments during a game have eluded him.

Don't be surprised if the Rebs are strongly motivated this year and give you a good "payback" thumping.

[HMSUDAWGS]

Okay Neo I'll explain it to you again. Your offensive line is young and unproven. You lost 8 or 9 players off of a defense last year that STUNK IT UP. MSU was much more competitive last year than you think. Our defense only allowed Alabama 3 points. Held it's own against a very good Georgia team, considering they were on the field for 90% of the game. They did well against other teams too but would fold late in games because of exhaustion. You cocks like to bash Henig, but I would like to see any Freshman come off the bench late in the year, especially the year MSU had, and perform great. He did the best he could, and even led the team to a crushing victory over probally a slightly better Ole Miss team. He has had a full off season to learn the Offense and has more weapons at wide reciever than MSU has had in a long time. His offensive line which was young last year also has a whole offseason of hitting the weights and learning how to stick with their assignments better. I think there will be a major upgrade there. As far as MSU and Ole Miss going the JUCO route, theres nothing wrong with that. Look at what Jackie Sherrill did when he first came to MSU he recruited a lot of Juco's and turned the team around his first year and had a pretty darn good decade, leading his team of JUCO's to the Western Division Title and the Championship Game. Our defense will be much more dominant and deeper this year than it has been in 7 or 8 years. There is no question to that. Our offense will not score 30 points a game but they will be more equipped this year to stay on the field longer and let our defense win some games for us. 10 to 7 is still a win any way you look at it. As for our big question mark at running back we will be okay there too. MSU has never had a bad running game. Granted we will miss Norwood but we will have more of a running by committee this year with 3 or 4 good backs, running behind a much improved offensive line. So as far as I can tell this is why I feel like we will be a surprise team this year, oh and by the way beat USC.

[HottyToddy45]

It seems to me that State just takes any recruit that they can get. The recruiting class for 07 is 2 four stars and the rest like 2's. Its hard to take a step forward when your not recruiting talent.

[Neo]

Okay Neo I'll explain it to you again. Your offensive line is young and unproven.


Wrong.... Our problem is experienced depth. That I know of, we didn't lose any starters on the OL. We have the same starters with 1+ years of experience under their belt in Spurrier's system. Their back-ups will mainly be freshmen. While we're at it, let's see who those freshmen are.

#8 4-Star Garrett Anderson - 6-4/280/4.8
#41 3-Star Heath Batchelor - 6-7/285/4.9
#21 4-Star Hutch Eckerson - 6-6/265/5.0
#39 3-Star Seaver Brown - 6-5/308/5.1
#20 4-Star Kevin Young - 6-5/315/5.3



You lost 8 or 9 players off of a defense last year that STUNK IT UP.


Our bad defense held the SEC Champs to 230 total yards. Can MSU say the same? I didn't think so. Last year we also started an a$$ of freshmen too.




I think there will be a major upgrade there. As far as MSU and Ole Miss going the JUCO route, theres nothing wrong with that. Look at what Jackie Sherrill did when he first came to MSU he recruited a lot of Juco's and turned the team around his first year and had a pretty darn good decade, leading his team of JUCO's to the Western Division Title and the Championship Game.


You missed the boat on that partner. Obviously you didn't read what I said so I'll post it again. :wacko:


Maybe later than you think. Both Croom and Orgeron are raiding the JUCO ranks and that doesn't spell out long term success. Orgeron more so than Croom. You should only recruit 2-3 JUCOS a year mainly as immediate space fillers and not to build depth.


Any of the so-called experts will tell you. Going the JUCO route is not the way to build LONGGGGGGGGG TERMMMMMMMM success. It's a short term fix. Instead of having that body for 5 years including a redshirt year to familiarize themselves with the system, they (JUCOS) usually have 2 to play 2 or 3-3 and after that time, your back to square one. See where I'm going with this? :whistle:




Our defense will be much more dominant and deeper this year than it has been in 7 or 8 years.


How do you figure that? Losing to Vandy 2 years in a row and UK for Christ's sake cancels out that argument. You yourself said that MSU doesn't have the stud athletes like everyone else. For instance, take a look at MSU's last two recruiting classes since Croom's been there. They've been decent, but not spectacular. That's aside from the fact that I believe roughly 4-5 of their recruits couldn't even qualify.

2007 Recruiting Year
USC: 6 commitments, 3 Rivals Top-100, 3 4-Star, 2 3-Star, 1 UR
MSU: 21 commitments, 2 4-Star, 5 3-Star, 10 2-Star, 4 UR


2006 Recruiting Year
USC 24
MSU 44

2005 Recruiting Year
USC 23
MSU 33

2004 Recruiting Year
USC 35
MSU 63

2003 Recruiting Year
USC 8
MSU 9



I don't care what anyone else says, talent has a lot to do with winning ball games and that's just going to be rather difficult for MSU at the present time. Croom has to have the blue-chip talent to compete in the SEC and right now, he just doesn't have it. PERIOD!



There is no question to that. Our offense will not score 30 points a game but they will be more equipped this year to stay on the field longer and let our defense win some games for us. 10 to 7 is still a win any way you look at it. As for our big question mark at running back we will be okay there too. MSU has never had a bad running game. Granted we will miss Norwood but we will have more of a running by committee this year with 3 or 4 good backs, running behind a much improved offensive line. So as far as I can tell this is why I feel like we will be a surprise team this year, oh and by the way beat USC.


Please.... This same QB is now all of the sudden going to turn into Superman? Well, USC's pass rush is going to be his Kryptonite. You have yet to show me where all of this talent is coming from considering that MSU has only had one Top-25 recruiting class since 2002 per Scout.com and Rivals.com


USC is going to give MSU an old fashioned woodshed a$$whoopin.

USC 31
MSU 10

[cocky4ever]

It seems to me that State just takes any recruit that they can get. The recruiting class for 07 is 2 four stars and the rest like 2's. Its hard to take a step forward when your not recruiting talent.
I've noticed that too. The only thing I can think of is that maybe they're gambling. They know that its harder to sell a recruit on MS State so they jump in before everyone else and hope to land the kid by being the first to show interest. This strategy could work...but you need a coaching staff that A.) is GREAT at evaluating talent( I mean, even better than people who evaluate talent for a living), and/or B.)can develop less than stellar players into great athletes.

I could be wrong but the Miss. State staff hasnt shown me that they can do either of those things. By the end of this year we'll have a much better idea about where the program is heading. If State hasnt made significant improvements in the next two years I dont expect Croom to be coaching for em during the '08 season.

[HottyToddy45]

Well thats the reason they have Jazzmen Guy committed right now, they were the first one to offer him and Derrick Sherrod bc he's brother goes to State. State fans--don't expect to sign Jazzmen, and look for Chris Strong to be the 2nd coming of Patrick Willis. OUR LB CORPS WILL BE THE BEST IN THE SEC IN A MATTER OF 2 YEARS OR SO.

[HMSUDAWGS]

Neo you obviously put a lot of faith in rivals and Scout.com. Do you really think they know where Shuqualak, Crawford, Caledonia, Mayhew, or Weir, MS are? There have been a lot of 1, 2, and 3 star recruits come out of MS and have productive college careers. Brett Favre, for example, was not highly promoted or rated coming out of high school because he came from a small town.

[HMSUDAWGS]

I'll tell you what once SC gets a winning record against anyone in the SEC other than Kentucky and Vanderbilt then we'll talk. I know state doesn't have much more but we're still ahead of you. Ha Ha. We'll all see on Aug. 31 I guess.

[GAMECOCKBOY]

I'll tell you what once SC gets a winning record against anyone in the SEC other than Kentucky and Vanderbilt then we'll talk. I know state doesn't have much more but we're still ahead of you. Ha Ha. We'll all see on Aug. 31 I guess.
we will see in 18 days

[Neo]

Neo you obviously put a lot of faith in rivals and Scout.com. Do you really think they know where Shuqualak, Crawford, Caledonia, Mayhew, or Weir, MS are? There have been a lot of 1, 2, and 3 star recruits come out of MS and have productive college careers. Brett Favre, for example, was not highly promoted or rated coming out of high school because he came from a small town.



You are so full of %$&* it's not even funny. I'm willing to bet they do. You're just making the case for Mississippi being a hole in the Earth.

Here's a fact that I bet you didn't know. Did you know that the state of MS has more accredited universities and colleges per square mile than anywhere else in the nation? :excl:


As for Farve, cry me a river. I saw him in college. He was a great athlete at Southern Miss and I beg to differ on the "highly recruited" comment. Farve was a 3-Star recruit if I'm not mistaken. :whistle:

[Neo]

I'll tell you what once SC gets a winning record against anyone in the SEC other than Kentucky and Vanderbilt then we'll talk.


Well, when was the last time you beat UK and Vandy in the same season? Also, when was the last time you beat USC? :ohmy: :unsure:

[HMSUDAWGS]

you were just stating how 3 star recruits sucked. Don't you think if Favre had played in Atlanta, or Memphis, or any other larger city in the Southeast he would have been rated a little higher. Enough said.

[HMSUDAWGS]

Oh and if you want to talk recruits you only have 7 recruits, oh my bad, 6 seeing how your best recruit decommitted to go to Notre Dame. SC only has one more 4 star player than MSU, and we have 3 more 3 star players, (like Bret Favre, but he sucks right since he was 3 star). Why don't you go pout in a corner for a little while because I believe you just got burned.

[Neo]

you were just stating how 3 star recruits sucked.

Boy do you need some killer reading comprehension classes. Please point out where I said that 3-Star players suck? :brick:


You won't find it because it's not there. :ohmy:

[HottyToddy45]

Neo State believes in quantity not quality.

[HMSUDAWGS]

Ole Piss has no room to talk seeing how our "quantity" kick you "quality" a$$$ last year.

[Neo]

Oh and if you want to talk recruits you only have 7 recruits, oh my bad, 6 seeing how your best recruit decommitted to go to Notre Dame.


For starters, my sources are telling me that Gary Gray is still a silent commitment, but wants to take his visits. They also told me that he was at USC's practice the other day. As for six (6) recruits, it's like the saying goes; "Quality not quanity". We've offered 67 recruits that I know of and we have told a lot of them to not commit right away because we're still evaluating our offers. We're only going for the cream of the crop and to fill our needs the most. We don't just offer anyone and everyone like MSU.




SC only has one more 4 star player than MSU, and we have 3 more 3 star players, (like Bret Favre, but he sucks right since he was 3 star). Why don't you go pout in a corner for a little while because I believe you just got burned.



Burned? Are you nuts? You're plucking stuff outta your a$$ to make yourself feel better. Like I said before, find the post to where I said 3-Star athletes suck! You won't find it because it's not there. Now quit with the bogus school yard insults before I steal your lunch money. :laugh:

[HottyToddy45]

Yeah I think its good to let you guys beat us every 5 years....I mean its not really a rivalry when you get dominated most of the time.

[Neo]

Neo State believes in quantity not quality.


EXACTLY!!!!! Croom just needs warm bodies at this point.


Bring on the cowpies....... :happy:


USC 31
MSU 10

[HMSUDAWGS]

Very funny where were you in the late 90's when we dominated ya'll

[HMSUDAWGS]

Bring on the cockheads,

MSU 20
USC 10

[HottyToddy45]

now your sounding like a bamer living up the past.

[HMSUDAWGS]

Hey Neo my sources tell me that Superman is a "silent" commitment to MSU. Look out for the dogs.

[mark424]

Ogre is building a house of cards over there. Most of his recruits are borderline special ed students and have no business going to college. How some of them are getting qualified is beyond me. I really don't think he's recruiting as well as it's being built up to be. I think he is going to lose at least 2-3 of these early commits before signing day too. 2-3 big recruits. He hasn't shown me anything yet. He surrounded himself with good assistants this year though, so they may save him. Nothing against Ole Miss, but I think they could have done much better than Ogre. I'm afraid for UM b/c I think that the Ogre era is going to end much the same way the sherril era ended.

As far as schedules go, if we could have gotten another winnable game on our schedule instead of WVA, then I'd feel better about 6 wins. That's the only difference i can see in the schedules. Anyone who says any different isn't worth listening to. I think the bottom line is that it's very likely that MSU and UM will have 5 wins each going into the egg bowl and the winner will go bowling. I don't care who's better, that goes out the window come the egg bowl. It should be a very interesting game this year.

[RebelsRule10]

[QUOTE=RebelsRule10]Hey bbqit, he can't tell the difference between a boy and a girl, much less a schedule !

WTF is that supposed to mean? ok so tell me, u think your have a tough schedule? everyone knows that ole piss schedule is to their favor and dont tell me that yalls schedule is as tough as ours!
Yall can't even win , when you have an easy schedule, so what are you worried about it for ?

[DELTOR]

you state fans crack me up :laugh: sounding like a disgruntled middle schooler trying his hardest to pop the pimple on his nose so maybe no one will pick on him.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Hey Neo my sources tell me that Superman is a "silent" commitment to MSU. Look out for the dogs.
Congratulations. Maybe you can get Batman and Robin too.

Now I know why you believe what you do about MSU. You're living in a fantasy world. :laugh:

[mark424]

For all you geniuses saying Croom and MSU have no talent, and you need talent to win in the SEC....take a look:

Defense
DE - Charles Burns (3 star), Michael Heard (3 star)
DT - Deljuan Robinson (5 star), Antonio Johnson (3 star), Quinton Wesley (3 star)
LB - Gabe Oneal (3 star), Quinton Culberson (5 star), Jamar Chaney (3 star),
DB - Derek Pegues (5 star), David Heard (2 star), Anthoney Johnson (3 star), Keith Fitzhugh (3 star), Jeramie Johnson (3 star)

So defense would seem to be dominated by 3-5 star players, huh?

Offense:
OL - JD Hamilton (3 star), Calvin Wilson (4 star), Craig Jenkins (2 star), Anthony Strauder (2 star), Brian Anderson (3 star), Royce Blackledge (2 star).
FB - Davis is NFL caliber - but a 2 star out of HS
QB - Henig is only a 2 star, still unproven.
WR - Omarr Conner (5 star), Tony Burks (3 star), Ryan Mason (3 star), Tyler Threadgill (3 star)
TE - Eric Butler (3 star)
RB - Brandon Thornton (2 star), Anthony Dixon (4 star), and (maybe) Courtney Jones (3 star). The transfer from Tulane was also a 3 star I believe.

So offense is still lagging a little, especially on the offensive line. But there is experience on the OL and playmaking capability at WR.

My point is (especially on defense) it's not accurate to say we don't have enough talent in the program to compete this year. Maybe you should do a little more research next time you want to say something like that.

[mark424]

you state fans crack me up :laugh: sounding like a disgruntled middle schooler trying his hardest to pop the pimple on his nose so maybe no one will pick on him.


I guess now we know how you guys felt back in the 0 for 21 days (well, we're still not THAT bad) when MSU had the most SEC wins in a 5 year span. The only difference is that SC still has no SEC championship, or even an SEC East championship. You guys came from nowhere after that nasty stretch to field a respectable team, but you laugh at us for hoping for the same. Bunch of hypocrites.

I will add this too, I've been to every stadium in the SEC except for Vanderbilt, and SC has BY FAR the RUDEST fans I have ever met. It was like a disfunctional inbred family, everyone at the stadium was arguing with everyone, yelling that the refs were cheating, cussing the players and the coaches, and cussing the opposing fans. It was very embarassing to witness. I was embarassed for the SEC both times I went there. I guess my point is, this hostility and belittling by the Cock fans on this board does not surprise me.

[DELTOR]

I guess now we know how you guys felt back in the 0 for 21 days (well, we're still not THAT bad) when MSU had the most SEC wins in a 5 year span. The only difference is that SC still has no SEC championship, or even an SEC East championship. You guys came from nowhere after that nasty stretch to field a respectable team, but you laugh at us for hoping for the same. Bunch of hypocrites.

I will add this too, I've been to every stadium in the SEC except for Vanderbilt, and SC has BY FAR the RUDEST fans I have ever met. It was like a disfunctional inbred family, everyone at the stadium was arguing with everyone, yelling that the refs were cheating, cussing the players and the coaches, and cussing the opposing fans. It was very embarassing to witness. I was embarassed for the SEC both times I went there. I guess my point is, this hostility and belittling by the Cock fans on this board does not surprise me.
Good point in the first paragraph. However, not many SC fans were talking as much junk as some certain MSU fans on here.... say HMSU? I don't ever believe that any of us believed we were going to beat the tar out of any team during that span. Unlike HMSU, who has indicated in several of his posts. Secondly, about the fans being "rude". Well, every school has 'em. I know I have never cursed at any of the players, from our team or our opponents. Then again, I cannot speak for everyone. There are bad nuts at every school, just as there are good. I'm sorry you had to witness a bad showing by some of our fans.

[Neo]

My point is (especially on defense) it's not accurate to say we don't have enough talent in the program to compete this year. Maybe you should do a little more research next time you want to say something like that.


I have done my research. I do have a question though. How many of your so called "Talent" are JUCO's, ranked by either Rivals or Scout.com, and what are there classes? Hmmmmmm. :whistle: How many of them are actually proven talent???? :whistle:

In all honesty, your 5-star recruit JUCO Deljuan Robinson is a 5-Star athlete, but I find it odd that he's not ranked at all. He's not even ranked with the JUCOS. Hmmmmmm. Interesting to say the least. He must be so good that they forgot to rank him with the other athletes. :unsure:
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=2264


I don't care how you feel, but where was all of this talent while you were losing to Vandy and Maine? Where was all this talent when you lost to Kentucky???? Nevermind, don't answer that question. :unsure:


Here's something that you will need during the game. Trust me....It will help.

http://img143.imagevenue.com/loc534/th_15317_KY1_534lo.jpg (http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=15317_KY1_534lo.jpg)

[Neo]

SC has BY FAR the RUDEST fans I have ever met. It was like a disfunctional inbred family, everyone at the stadium was arguing with everyone, yelling that the refs were cheating, cussing the players and the coaches, and cussing the opposing fans. It was very embarassing to witness. I was embarassed for the SEC both times I went there. I guess my point is, this hostility and belittling by the Cock fans on this board does not surprise me.


Really? Well every school has their bad apples, but I would keep my mouth shut. Coming from a fan of a school that rings those obnoxious cowbells all the time, I wouldn't say a thing about someone being rude. :whistle:

[Neo]

Congratulations. Maybe you can get Batman and Robin too. :laugh:


Don't leave out Wonder Woman. :laugh:

[Neo]

Bring on the cockheads,

MSU 20
USC 10

Reasons why USC will win and win big.

A.- MSU's defense is carrying them. That's fine except for the fact that their D gave up 28 or more points at least four times last year. Including 28 to Houston, 37 to LSU, 35 to FL, and 44 to Ark.

B.-The receivers improving dramatically. Problem here is even if the WR corps is solid, you can't get the ball to 'em without a QB. Hennig (QB) is yet to prove he's an above average QB. This combined with the fact they lost their #1 offensive weapon tells me USC will win.

C.- USC QB Blake Mitchell was hounded by DEs, LBs, and safeties all last year and still came out pretty well. I think he'll be better equipped this year to get the team into the right play when pressure is coming. Also don't think a few sacks are going to really get to him. He's ready.

D.- Mike Davis is a year older and should be better than he was at the end of the season last year. Cory Boyd brings a new dimension to the offense like Syvelle Newton. Look for him to be a frequent go-to man in case the OL doesn't hold up. We all know how good he is as a slot receiver.

E.- No one can cover Sidney Rice. Period. MSU fans can argue all they want, but all you have to do is look at the stats from last season. UT couldn't do it with triple coverage, UF couldn't do it with double coverage, CU couldn't do it with NFL first round CBs. UGA couldn't do it, Arky couldn't do it, Vandy, UK, Mizzou... The only team that held him in check was Central Florida (should be fun watching 'em try to figure this one out).

F.- TE Andy Boyd is a bull and Jared Cook is a mismatch for S's and LB's alike.


Any questions?????

[HMSUDAWGS]

Blah, Blah, Blah, you can't possibly just throw out the homer stuff I was saying then come back at me with more homer stuff. This must all come to an end I can't wait for Aug. 31.

[HMSUDAWGS]

Heres' where you're wrong:

A- Nearly every single one of those games our defense kept us in it until the very end after they had been on the field the whole game and wore out. And besides our defense finished way above SC's in nearly every defensive category.

B. Again I'll state he did the best with being a Freshman coming in off of the bech with what he had. He never had time to even catch his breath most of the time before he was getting pressured. Coach Croom feels like he is one of the most improved players on the team through this past off season, stating that he understands the offense much better this year.

C. Same thing you said for Mitchell I just said for Henig. So if you dispute me then you're disputing yourself. That's something that we'll just have to see come Aug. 31.

D. You can have all the running backs in the world but your offensive line has to be able to block. And I just don't think your offensive line will be able to push many defensive linemen in the SEC around.

E. As for Sydney Rice, have you ever heard of a Sophomore slump. He will recieve every defenses best defenders this year. If he has a year like he had last year, then I'll give him props.

F. Our tight end is one of the best in the SEC. And that's not coming from me, that's coming from the SEC coaches and pro scouts.

Any questions???

[OleMissPike]

Two things are for certain: you can't beat the guy for enthusiasm and recruiting. Anybody can respect a 16th ranked recruiting class after going 3-8 and having a musical chairs year at QB. Hey, Orgeron brought in a 30th ranked recruiting class in 2005 after being hired a month before signing day. I liked Cut as well (good old droopy), but he lacks the aggression to be a head coach. This is an area where Orgeron is a definite improvement and Oxford is the perfect place for a defensive minded coach. Let's not forget Ole Miss ranked 14th against the pass and 64th against the rush in Orgeron's first season; giving Ole Miss the 27th ranked defense in D1 last season. True the offense was horrendous, but no coach can make a complete team overhaul in 1 season. The offensive line was weak and Mazzone was not a great fit for OC, so Orgeron has attempted to fix the problem with Kehoe and Werner; not to mention bringing in one of the top JUCO players in the country in Schaeffer and California's all time leader in passing yards in Michael Herrick (a title once held by John Elway). O identified the problem and went out to fix it. What more can anyone ask? The truth is had Cut remained, the offense and defense would both have struggled and Ole Miss probably loses to Memphis just like Cut's two prior years; if Cut couldn't beat Memphis with senior QB Eli Manning, he would definitely have lost for a third year in a row with Spurlock/Flatt. 3-8 is not much better than 2-9, but it sure sounds better.
All that being said, I think Orgeron deserves 4 years to let his highly touted recruits mature. Don't forget, Cut inherited Tuberville's solid recruits and had success with them (Deuce McAllister anyone); other than Manning, he just couldn't bring his own to the table.

[cocky4ever]

Very funny where were you in the late 90's when we dominated ya'll
How much did that dominance cost you?? :unsure:

[mark424]

I have done my research. I do have a question though. How many of your so called "Talent" are JUCO's, ranked by either Rivals or Scout.com, and what are there classes? Hmmmmmm. :whistle: How many of them are actually proven talent???? :whistle:

In all honesty, your 5-star recruit JUCO Deljuan Robinson is a 5-Star athlete, but I find it odd that he's not ranked at all. He's not even ranked with the JUCOS. Hmmmmmm. Interesting to say the least. He must be so good that they forgot to rank him with the other athletes. :unsure:
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=2264


I don't care how you feel, but where was all of this talent while you were losing to Vandy and Maine? Where was all this talent when you lost to Kentucky???? Nevermind, don't answer that question. :unsure:


Here's something that you will need during the game. Trust me....It will help.

http://img143.imagevenue.com/loc534/th_15317_KY1_534lo.jpg (http://img143.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=15317_KY1_534lo.jpg)

i don't have to take up for deljuan, he does it for himself on the field. He's not a JUCO transfer either, more bad research
(2002: Did not enroll at Mississippi State while recuperating from August ‘02 open heart surgery . . . Had a leaky heart valve repaired during the surgery at LeBonheur Children's Hospital in Memphis, Tenn.

HIGH SCHOOL:
Named first-team, all-America by The G&W Recruiting Report at linebacker in its postseason publication . . . Ranked No. 13 on that recruiting newsletter's list of the top 25 players in the Southeast, regardless of position . . . Listed as the 19th-best defensive prospect in the nation by G&W . . . Ranked as the No. 21 prospect in the country, regardless of position, on Bobby Burton's list of the nation's top 100 players for thesportingnews.com . . . He was the fourth-ranked defensive lineman in Burton's listing . . . Ranked as the No. 55 prospect in the country, regardless of position, on Tom Lemming's list of the nation's top 100 players for ESPN.com . . . Ranked with the top five defensive end prospects in the country by Max Emfinger in his postseason national bluechips newsletter . . . Earned an honorable mention berth on the postseason Orlando Sentinel all-Southern team, an all-star unit selected from 12 southern states . . . Named first-team, all-state at tight end by the Jackson Clarion-Ledger . . . Listed No. 4 among linebackers in the southeast by PrepStar magazine/CBS Sportsline.com . . . Credited with running a 4.6 in the 40-yard dash by that publication . . . Called possibly “the best defensive end/linebacker” in the South by PrepStar . . . Also credited with a 315-pound bench press by PrepStar . . . Ranked No. 5 on the Clarion-Ledger's list of the state's top 10 recruits . . . Also named to the Clarion-Ledger's preseason Dandy Dozen, symbolic of being one of top 12 players in the state of Mississippi . . . Earned “Defensive Player of the Year” and first-team all-state at linebacker on the Mississippi Association of Coaches' Class 4A season-ending team . . . Also named Most Valuable Defensive Player in Region 1-4A in a vote of region coaches . . . Ranked No. 7 on Superprep's list of the top players in Mississippi following his senior season, the top-ranked linebacker in the state . . . He was ranked No. 29 on Superprep's list of the nation's top linebackers . . . Named the Memphis Touchdown Club Player of the Year following his standout senior season . . . Made 139 tackles, including 96 solo stops with 10 quarterback sacks, while playing linebacker during his senior season for head coach Anthony Jenkins at Hernando (Miss.) High School . . . Helped lead his team to an 8-3 record in 2000 . . . Selected to play in the Mississippi-Alabama High School All-Star game . . . Registered 127 tackles as a junior, including 10 quarterback sacks and two pass interceptions. ).

So to answer your question, we have ZERO JUCO's on defense this year....MORON! A simple look at our roster would tell you that much. A lot has been said about us recruiting JUCOS, but Croom stays away from them for the most part. We brought in a couple last year, but we do have a few more this year (4 or 5) but they are all filling needs while we redshirt some freshmen for later. He knows that JUCO recruiting is not permanent. We are going to sign about 30 players this year, 5 at the most will be JUCO and 3 of them are big time impact players. You need to know what you're talking about before you spout off. I can't wait to see what all you COCKS have to say when you come up short on the 31'st!

[Neo]

i don't have to take up for deljuan, he does it for himself on the field. He's not a JUCO transfer either, more bad research


Well, according to Rivals.com, he is a JUCO transfer. Check out the link below.....

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=2264

Now who looks like Barney Fife.... :ohmy: :whistle:



So to answer your question, we have ZERO JUCO's on defense this year....MORON!



Like I said, according to Rivals.com, he is a JUCO and I'll take their word for it over yours. :laugh:

[mark424]

Well, according to Rivals.com, he is a JUCO transfer. Check out the link below.....

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=2264

Now who looks like Barney Fife.... :ohmy: :whistle:






Like I said, according to Rivals.com, he is a JUCO and I'll take their word for it over yours. :laugh:

Way to show your brilliance. I wonder how it is that this is his 4'th year in our starting line-up and he's a JUCO transfer. By the way, what I posted this morning IS FROM RIVALS. Sat a year after HS to have heart surgery, then he was eligible for recruitment again, so they lumped him with the JUCO b/c they had nowhere else to put him I guess. Look back at the 2003 stats, he was on our squad. MORON.

This is my last post on this crappy board, don't bother a response. I'm sure it will be full of misinformation anyway Barney.

This quote is straight from the link YOU posted "Deljuan Robinson, DE, Mississippi State – Big defensive linemen are nothing new at Mississippi State, but the Bulldogs haven’t been as formidable at those spots in recent years as they have been in the past. Robinson (6-4, 288, 4.8) – the nation’s top-rated strongside defensive end in 2002 (there's the answer to your "why isn't he ranked" question genius....he was only ranked # 1 in the nation :laugh: ) – should be able to make a big splash in Starkville. He had heart surgery following his senior season, but is reportedly in good health now and will be poised to bolster the defense this fall."

Try clicking "details" next time.

Better luck with your future posts

[Neo]

Way to show your brilliance. I wonder how it is that this is his 4'th year in our starting line-up and he's a JUCO transfer. By the way, what I posted this morning IS FROM RIVALS. Sat a year after HS to have heart surgery, then he was eligible for recruitment again, so they lumped him with the JUCO b/c they had nowhere else to put him I guess. Look back at the 2003 stats, he was on our squad. MORON.



Strongside defensive end
Hernando (MS)

Ht: 6-foot-4
Wt: 288 lbs
Forty: 4.8 secs
Bench max: 315 pounds
Squat max: 515 pounds
Class: 2003 (Junior College)

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=2264


Notice the BOLDED area.



As for this "Crappy" board, no one is forcing you to stay.

[HMSUDAWGS]

Sorry Mark could've told you this was a homer dominated Cock board. Hope you don't stop posting cause I like most of your posts.

[scfan5338]

Oh and if you want to talk recruits you only have 7 recruits, oh my bad, 6 seeing how your best recruit decommitted to go to Notre Dame. SC only has one more 4 star player than MSU, and we have 3 more 3 star players, (like Bret Favre, but he sucks right since he was 3 star). Why don't you go pout in a corner for a little while because I believe you just got burned.

Hey you fruit.. has he committed to Notre Dame yet?? Didnt think so. Rivals and Scout both have him as "high" interest for USC and "medium" for Notre Dame. He decommitted because his mom wanted to see what Notre Dame had to offer because she didn't get to visit up there. MSU does go for quantity over quality. You can just look at their previous classes. USC did that in the later years of Lou Holtz.

[HMSUDAWGS]

I can't wait till Aug. 31 so we can end all this senseless bickering and the cocks can eat a lot of crow.

[downshall]

I hate to be picky, but wasn't this thread about Coach Orgeron originally? I mean... just checking and all that.

[kinfolk41684]

I hate to be picky, but wasn't this thread about Coach Orgeron originally? I mean... just checking and all that.
That's just how it is sometimes. :brick:

[VOLjlt]

Ok, I have been following this thread closely, not really sure if I wanted to give any input or not but it seems my curiousness (or stupidity, not sure which yet) has gotten hold of me and I have to say something. You guys talk about talent and how many stars they have - 2, 3, 4, even 5 stars according to Rivals or whoever ranks these kids. BIG FREAKING DEAL!!! Talent doesn't mean SQUAT if the coach can't develop it. So, look around the SEC. Meyer built a solid program at Utah before moving to the SEC (where football is more religion than sport anyways). In his first year, dealing with leftovers from Zook, he still built an SECE contending team (much better than Zook ever did). Spurrier (let's all admit it, he is the coaching king of the SEC) took over the remains of an ugly but hanging on SC team and was just a few points away from having the SECE in his pocket as well. Tennessee, amid its discipline problems last year, did not have the coaching to keep most of the players in check and what was supposed to be (projected by media, who, again rates these recruits) a dream season, fell apart because we didn't have a decent OL coach or OC who knew more than their ass from a hole in the ground. Most of the staff either resigned or were relieved of duty following the season. Kentucky hasn't had a decent coach since Mumme (and that was pushing it, so we can send their glory days back to when they had the Bear) and they haven't had a decent pair of seasons in years. Vandy could be slowly turning things around but they still suck. Cutler was not the whole team so there had to be some coaching, too. Heading back down south, Saban left a terrific setup for Miles and except for the faux pas against the Vols, had a terrific season and will continue to be a force to be reckoned with. Tuberville has a solid team now, had a 5-6 first year but had to deal with Terry Bowden's leftovers (still a better first year record than Orgeron had at OM). Shula (someone who had never coached before) started 4-9 (still better than 3-8) and has built up a better Bama team. Richt came from a strong FSU program as OC, took his knowledge of the FSU playbook, combined it with UGA and has not even been close to a losing season.

So, why all this useless information? To show that it doesn't matter what your players are rated coming out of HS, if your coach or coaching staff can't develop it, you basically suck. Tennessee had a team loaded with talent...couldn't get it developed, went 5-6. SC didn't have near the talent level that we supposedly had, nearly won the East. So, coach O, taking whatever talent was left from Cutt and doing some of his own recruiting still couldn't develop anything better than 3-8. If he improves much beyond 6-6, I'll be pleasantly surprised (I hate to see anyone suck as bad as you did last year). Before you go touting all of this "talent" that you supposedly have, figure out whether your coach can actually do something with it. Apparently, something is wrong when you lose to someone like Vandy or MSU.

[Wizard of Orange]

Talent can put you over the hump after a coach is getting the most out of his players. That's good in that once a coach starts getting the most out of his players and that have more success, the more HS talent that team tends to attract...and the ball starts rolling.

A couple of things can happen then . First, a kid that's interested still won't go if said coach isn't much of a recruiter(read SALESMAN) - so the team plateaus,blah,blah

Secondly, the coach jumps ship to a better deal...

Or, the team becomes more and more successful. That's when it really becomes difficult. When a coach begins getting the most highly touted players in the nation on a regular basis, he also inherits the Biggest egos - AND the bigger the eogs the more difficult it is to get the most out of every player, create team chemistry, and keep them out of trouble off the field.

Point being, talent plays a big part ( not all positive), but, I agree, the Coach is the key to long-term success

[OleMissPike]

So, why all this useless information? To show that it doesn't matter what your players are rated coming out of HS, if your coach or coaching staff can't develop it, you basically suck. Tennessee had a team loaded with talent...couldn't get it developed, went 5-6. SC didn't have near the talent level that we supposedly had, nearly won the East. So, coach O, taking whatever talent was left from Cutt and doing some of his own recruiting still couldn't develop anything better than 3-8. If he improves much beyond 6-6, I'll be pleasantly surprised (I hate to see anyone suck as bad as you did last year). Before you go touting all of this "talent" that you supposedly have, figure out whether your coach can actually do something with it. Apparently, something is wrong when you lose to someone like Vandy or MSU.

All that is very true. Ole Miss and Memphis are the only teams that recruited Patrick Willis, I think he was rated 3 stars by Rivals. Now he is considered one of the best players in the nation. And yes, there is definately something wrong when you lose to Vandy; I'm sure that was also a hard pill for you guys to swallow in Knoxville last year. The problem for O was he didn't inherit all that much talent and it was his first year as a head coach anywhere. Besides, there was only a one game difference between his 1st season and Cut's last. It' easy for Spurrier to step in and make improvements, he's one of the best college coaches ever. Meyer did much better than Zook, but the state of Florida has so much talent; as long as you get a third of the top guys in the state, you should be bowl bound every year. The talent was there all along, Zook just isn't head coach material. I think UT's only problem last year was that they had so much talent (if that makes sense). Everyone on the team was a little too focused on being a superstar instead of playing as a team. Much to the dismay of the rest of the East, oh how things will be different this year. It's sometimes pointless to talk about talent, but that's the nature of the beast in college football. For teams like Ole Miss who only won 3 games, we talk about having the 16th ranked recruiting class in the nation not only because it is the first time that's happened for us, but also because it gives us hope. Hope is always a good thing, it's what carries every fan into the next season. It's a new slate, a chance for a return to glory. Oxford has had a couple of rough years, but the veterans remember the Cotton Bowl and the feeling of a 10 win season. This year Ole Miss has a seasoned offensive coordinator and an influx of fresh talent. The team now believes a return to glory is due. Whether that's true or not, I can only hope, but the team is ready to prove it. Personally, I think that is a dangerous combination.

[HottyToddy45]

Hotty Toddy To That!!

[kinfolk41684]

If he doesn't do that swell this year I hope that we don't let him go because it takes time.