Who will be the best player in the SEC next year?

[TrueGCFan]

Who will be the best player in the SEC next year?

A simple question without simple answer. What do you think?

[geechee]

Who will be the best player in the SEC next year?

A simple question without simple answer. What do you think?

I think I will just wait for lil gatorhunter to tell us which gator player it is going to be since he is the expert :laugh:

[azamugg]

I think I will just wait for lil gatorhunter to tell us which gator player it is going to be since he is the expert :laugh:

always instigatin', perputratin', disrespetin', deviatin', child molestin'....okay sorry there geechy, got carried away :whistle:

[TrueGCFan]

always instigatin', perputratin', disrespetin', deviatin', child molestin'....okay sorry there geechy, got carried away :whistle:
that's wrong...funny, but wrong.

[TrueGCFan]

Here's my list in no certian order:

-K. Irons (AU)
-D. McFadden (ARK)
-S. Rice (SC)
-Prothrow S.P.? (If he's %100) (UA)
-J Russell (LSU)

These are just a few that come to mind. I know I'm leaving people out.

[geechee]

always instigatin', perputratin', disrespetin', deviatin', child molestin'....okay sorry there geechy, got carried away :whistle:

Easy with that "child molestin'" comment aza. I did not know the girl was only 14. :unsure:

[GatorHunter]

I think I will just wait for lil gatorhunter to tell us which gator player it is going to be since he is the expert :laugh:

:laugh: :rofl: :uglyhamme :welcome: :hyper: :yelrotflm :lolup: :stupid:

Actually, I would vote either McFadden or Rice...I'll give you my "expert" opinion at the end of the summer.... :happy:

[geechee]

:laugh: :rofl: :uglyhamme :welcome: :hyper: :yelrotflm :lolup: :stupid:

Actually, I would vote either McFadden or Rice...I'll give you my "expert" opinion at the end of the summer.... :happy:

Just what are you going to know at the end of the summer that you do not know now; which one has the best tan?

I'll wait till the end of the season since nobody will truly know till then.

[GatorHunter]

Just what are you going to know at the end of the summer that you do not know now; which one has the best tan?

I'll wait till the end of the season since nobody will truly know till then.

It may be a little "difficult" to judge which, McFadden or Rice, will have the better tan... :laugh:

[Williams-Brice]

Kenny Irons.

[UA2008]

K. Irons (Auburn)
T. Prothro (if he comes back strong) (THE University of Alabama)
J. Russell (LSU)

All of these players will have a great season!

[autiger1126]

david irons

[autiger1126]

others who got a shot
k. irons, darby, mcfadden, rice, patrick willis, moses

[AUTiger94]

david irons
Wow! Now that's Bold!

[DELTOR]

I think Kenny Irons has a legitimate shot at Heisman consideration. Just as long as he keeps doing what he's done last year, but just take it up a notch or two.

[autiger1126]

kenny won't get the carries he got last year (at least not per game), we'll spread it around to the other backs more. at least i hope this happens, otherwise some people got injured. david irons shut down everyone this spring, plays great against the run, and is great in coverage when he doesn't jam the guy on the line. Both he and kenny could be the first brothers to go in the first round in the same year next year. *not trying to hype them or anything*

[GeauxTo]

Here's my list in no certian order:

-K. Irons (AU)
-D. McFadden (ARK)
-S. Rice (SC)
-Prothrow S.P.? (If he's %100) (UA)
-J Russell (LSU)

These are just a few that come to mind. I know I'm leaving people out.

I like your list; might even add Brandon Cox, Chris Leak, and maybe even Schaeffer, too.

[UA2008]

others who got a shot
k. irons, darby, mcfadden, rice, patrick willis, moses

Now Darby is a long shot for the best player in the SEC, although he is a very good back at times (when he doesnt try to cut and juke so much). Thank you for the consideration but I personally think Auburn's K. Irons is better (he is a better north-south runner who will hit holes hard). True that he won't get the carries like he did last year but I think he will still be one of the top RB in the SEC.

[UA0509]

I like your list; might even add Brandon Cox, Chris Leak, and maybe even Schaeffer, too.


wait, it can't be, its just not possible, no one ever saw this coming...




gueax didn't even add another LSU player to the list :ohmy:


:laugh:

[blues_cap]

mcfadden, he was the best at the end of last year and he will pick up where he left off. this guy could single-handidly solve many of florida's problems.

[CRIMSONWHITE]

Who will be the best player in the SEC next year?

A simple question without simple answer. What do you think?

I haven't seen a better player in the conference than Sidney Rice.

[RW13]

Sidney Rice will have a dropoff in stats next year, but that won't neccasarily make him a worse player....

[GeauxTo]

wait, it can't be, its just not possible, no one ever saw this coming...




gueax didn't even add another LSU player to the list :ohmy:


:laugh:
I'm fair and balanced, my man!

Besides, we don't have any. ha-ha

[cocky4ever]

mcfadden, he was the best at the end of last year and he will pick up where he left off. this guy could single-handidly solve many of florida's problems.
He deserved the SEC Freshman of the Year(who could complain if they picked Rice or Mac), but I wonder how much this new offense is gonna affect how he is used. Im sure he will be used a lot, but it wont be the same as the Nutt offenses we've seen at Ark. the last few years.

At the same time Rice wont have the numbers he did last year because we will have many more receivers and teams will be looking to double team him.

As far as who WILL put up the best numbers, Im not sure. There are a lot of names that deserve to be on any preseason SEC list, above two names not exempt.

[downshall]

I hope opposing coaches ignore Patrick Willis as much as this discussion has. What, one vote, maybe two?

[autiger1126]

i credited him, yay for me

[nooneLT]

Besides, we don't have any. ha-ha

what about ryan perriwho? :laugh:

[hmsdawgs]

Joe T III baby!!!

[bleedsgarnet]

In my estimation you have three players that clearly seperate themselves from everyone else. They would be Mcfadden, Rice and Irons. Your second tier guys are JaMarcus Russell and Darby. If Tyrone Prothro and Syvelle Newton were at 100% those guys could arguably be first tier players. I believe i would have to put Syvelle a bit ahead of prothro because of his versatility and the fact that USC has a quarterback with experience that would be able to get the ball in his hands. Third tier guys could be Massaquoi from UGA and Foster from UCHEAT, i mean UT.

[blues_cap]

He deserved the SEC Freshman of the Year(who could complain if they picked Rice or Mac), but I wonder how much this new offense is gonna affect how he is used. Im sure he will be used a lot, but it wont be the same as the Nutt offenses we've seen at Ark. the last few years.

At the same time Rice wont have the numbers he did last year because we will have many more receivers and teams will be looking to double team him.

As far as who WILL put up the best numbers, Im not sure. There are a lot of names that deserve to be on any preseason SEC list, above two names not exempt.

you have a point. his carries will get cut not just b/c of the offense, but arkansas has a helluva #2 back in felix jones. to play a little devil's advocate, his yards/carry could increase dramatically assuming the defense doesnt know who will get the ball every play like the ark of old.

[geechee]

He deserved the SEC Freshman of the Year(who could complain if they picked Rice or Mac), but I wonder how much this new offense is gonna affect how he is used. Im sure he will be used a lot, but it wont be the same as the Nutt offenses we've seen at Ark. the last few years.


Whatever new offenses we see at Ark, you can bet that they will still be designed around making the best use of this guy. He is not just another great athlete, he's one of those, once in a blue moon, athletes.

With McFadden, though he will get his carries, it is more what he does with the ball when he does get it. He is like Herschel was when he touched the ball. It was just wait and see because you never knew. Walker would turn what was supposed to be a 5-6 yard draw play into a 70 yard run. McFadden has the talent to do that.

[Jay_Lupo]

Here's my vote.

http://media.putfile.com/Untitled9979

[geechee]

As I was saying :laugh:

[jbuzbee]

McFadden will still get plenty of carries. We could line Elway, Jerry Rice, and Terrell Owens up on offense....and he would still get plenty of carries.

Watchin him run in that clip makes me a little motion sick.

[geechee]

Watchin him run in that clip makes me a little motion sick.

Watchin him run in that clip makes me glad we won't have to face him again :laugh:

[woo_pig_sooie]

Watchin him run in that clip makes me glad we won't have to face him again :laugh:

You'll see him in the SEC title game... that's if you guys can make it to that far.
:laugh:

[geechee]

If he stays all three years, you might be making a great point.

[blues_cap]

Here's my vote.

http://media.putfile.com/Untitled9979


daaaaaaaammmmmmnnnnnnnnn!!!!!! that is the run that sticks in my head from last year.

[goallthewayua]

Nice clip Lupo. I thought that was one McFadden's better runs last year, but Stephen Parker had a great block to free him up. I think the other poster is getting ahead of himself saying we will make it to the SEC title game next year, but I do think by the end of McFadden's junior year we will have shot at it. This year I think we will either tie for third place or we will be third place behind Auburn and LSU. I'm still convinced that Bama was the most overachieving school in the country last year and it will show this year. Anyway, here are a few more predictions for next year:

McFadden will not lead the SEC or even the Razorbacks in rushing this season. This will be Felix Jones' year, but I think both will get a thousand yards or more this season (still going to have lack of passing game this season even if Mustain plays which he shouldn't, but he will)

McFadden will be utalized as a receiver a lot next year. He will have the third most receptions for the Razorbacks behind Marcus Monk and Payton Hillis and will have the most receiving touchdowns for the backs.

When I say we may tie for third, the possible tie isn't with Bama, but watch out for Ole Miss this season. They are my sleeper for next year.

[geechee]

Nice clip Lupo. I thought that was one McFadden's better runs last year, but Stephen Parker had a great block to free him up. I think the other poster is getting ahead of himself saying we will make it to the SEC title game next year, but I do think by the end of McFadden's junior year we will have shot at it. This year I think we will either tie for third place or we will be third place behind Auburn and LSU. I'm still convinced that Bama was the most overachieving school in the country last year and it will show this year. Anyway, here are a few more predictions for next year:

McFadden will not lead the SEC or even the Razorbacks in rushing this season. This will be Felix Jones' year, but I think both will get a thousand yards or more this season (still going to have lack of passing game this season even if Mustain plays which he shouldn't, but he will)

McFadden will be utalized as a receiver a lot next year. He will have the third most receptions for the Razorbacks behind Marcus Monk and Payton Hillis and will have the most receiving touchdowns for the backs.

When I say we may tie for third, the possible tie isn't with Bama, but watch out for Ole Miss this season. They are my sleeper for next year.

This is very interesting.

[woo_pig_sooie]

Nice clip Lupo. I thought that was one McFadden's better runs last year, but Stephen Parker had a great block to free him up. I think the other poster is getting ahead of himself saying we will make it to the SEC title game next year, but I do think by the end of McFadden's junior year we will have shot at it. This year I think we will either tie for third place or we will be third place behind Auburn and LSU. I'm still convinced that Bama was the most overachieving school in the country last year and it will show this year. Anyway, here are a few more predictions for next year:

McFadden will not lead the SEC or even the Razorbacks in rushing this season. This will be Felix Jones' year, but I think both will get a thousand yards or more this season (still going to have lack of passing game this season even if Mustain plays which he shouldn't, but he will)

McFadden will be utalized as a receiver a lot next year. He will have the third most receptions for the Razorbacks behind Marcus Monk and Payton Hillis and will have the most receiving touchdowns for the backs.

When I say we may tie for third, the possible tie isn't with Bama, but watch out for Ole Miss this season. They are my sleeper for next year.


I was just joking about the SEC title game.

[geechee]

Y'all know your team a whole lot better than me but I am very curious; do most Hogs' fans believe that McFadden is going to be the #2 rusher on this team?

[gopig]

I expect McFadden to lead the team in rushing, but I think he'll share a substantial amount of carries with Jones. Jones is way to good to keep off the field.

[woo_pig_sooie]

Y'all know your team a whole lot better than me but I am very curious; do most Hogs' fans believe that McFadden is going to be the #2 rusher on this team?

I'm pretty sure that most Hog fans believe McFadden will lead our team in rushing. The post above was the very first time I've seen someone say they think Jones will rush for more yardage than McFadden.

[Jay_Lupo]

The only way McFadden doesn't lead Arkansas in rushing is if he goes down to injury. Jones is great, he really is. But he can't hold a candle to McFadden. Jones could get more carries - he won't - and McFadden would still outrush him. Whatever our offense looks like, if ANYBODY but the center and/or quarterback are touching the ball more than McFadden, we've got serious problems. Our backfield is loaded, both running with the ball and catching it, but DMAC will be the featured guy the entire season unless, like I said, he goes down to an injury or Nutt all of the sudden decides he wants to get canned at the end of the year.

[goallthewayua]

Oh ya, I'm not taking anything away from McFadden and to be honest I really wouldn't care if McFadden or Felix Jones leads the team in rushing, but I do think that Felix Jones will have a better year (less attempts, higher avgerage, more yards, less touchdowns) then McFadden. I think that defenses obviously will key on McFadden more this year then they did the first half of last season and that will free up Felix. Second, McFadden will line up at wide receiver a lot next year. One of the most successful plays you will see will be McFadden lined up in the split and either a hand off to Jones or a short pass to Hillis out of the backfield. Third, look at the Stats between the two for the Red White game

Darren McFadden-9 attempts, 50 yards, 5.4 average, 0 Touchdowns, 3 receptions, 30 yards and a touchdown.

Felix Jones-5 attempts, 137 yards, 27.4 average, 3 Touchdowns

But here are some factors that should be considered:

First, McFadden is definately more of a power back and it was two hand touch for both him, Jones, Hillis, and Smith so I'm sure that did take away from his game some.

Second and definately a lesser extent it was really the first time that McFadden had played since his orthoscopic new surgery, I know he practiced most of the spring, but from what I've been told Nutt didn't really push any of the backs except for Smith and Hillis that hard during spring drills. Plus McFadden had to try to stay off of his knee for 3 weeks after his surgery so he probably still was a little out of practice.

In conclusion, I'm not taking anything away from McFadden I think he is one of the better backs that have been through Arkansas in the past few years, but we all know what can happen to our running backs after a great freshman year (hmmm Cedric Cobbs, Madre Hill). Not that those backs where bad, but neither one lived up to their expectations from their freshman years. I think Felix Jones has more raw talent then McFadden. He is faster, but definately doesn't have McFadden's power. McFadden seems to just show up with a more confident attitude then Jones. As far as last year goes McFadden ended up with 1181 yards rushing on 176 carries and 11 touchdowns, Jones ended up with 662 yards rushing on 99 carries and 3 touchdowns. Point is both averaged 6.3 yards a game. But like I said I really don't care which one has the best season as long as both of them have good ones.

[GeauxTo]

Move over, boys. With the news that Alley Broussard is back to 100%, he is going to be serious competition for McFadden, Irons, and everyone else who runs the football in the SEC. He's big, he's fast, he's experienced, and he's a legitimate candidate.

[Jay_Lupo]

Man goalltheway, I respect you as a Razorback fan and all, but saying Felix Jones has more raw talent than McFadden is just ludicrous. So is saying he's faster. McFadden is more of a power back than Jones ... he's also more of a speed back. Jones, b/c of his size, is a better cutter, but outside of cutting, I don't think he does anything better than McFadden. Mcfadden is amongst the nations most talented back, much less the UA's. And there's just no way Jones is faster than DMAC. None. Quicker? Probably. Faster? No way in hell.

DMAC isn't like Cobbs, Hill or any of the other backs that've ever come through Fayetteville. He will run right over you - something C4 wouldn't do - and/or outrun your dbacks and safeties to daylight - something Madre couldn't do. His speed is legit - it's sub 4.4 - and so is his size. That combo right there gives you something that you just don't see very often.

Like I said, I respect you and all as a Hog fan and obviously you've put time into your arguement and actually managed to convince yourself of this, but man, I think you're way, way off base in comparison of Jones and McFadden. Jones is very good. McFadden is phenomenal. Defenses cannot possibly stack the line more this year than they did last year. That would be impossible. If anything, Darren - and felix and Hillis - will have more holes to run through and when you've got skills like No. 5, that's deadly. Oh, and you're reading way, way too much into the spring game. They were wearing green (don't tackle me) jerseys.

I just think DMAC is special - and so do a lot of knowledgeable professionals. Felix is very good and he'll be a weapon for three more years to come. But in terms of talent, Jones can't carry McFadden's jock. Very few in the nation could. Size and speed. Those are the key words for today. Buz, come on homie, back me up. Am I just being unrealistic? Is Jones really better than Darren McFadden? I just didn't see that last year.

[jbuzbee]

No...you're right Lupo.

Felix Jones is a legit SEC caliber back...he could probably start on almost any team in the SEC, especially when you remember he led the nation in kickoff return yardage and is an excellent receiver out of the backfield. He has really good speed....running back speed....and kinda reminds me of Deangelo Williams (not that he's that good yet but they have similar skills; i.e. "slashing").

While Jones has legitimate, what I will term, "running back speed"....McFadden has more than legitimate "Wide Receiver/Cornerback speed". Look at the clip of him running past Georgia's linebackers and D-backs....that ain't Louisiana-Monroe...thats Georgia...with blue-chip defenders with great speed. When you combine this sub-4.4 speed with the fact that he's 6'1" 210lbs., great hands, and great special teams return ability...you can see why The Sporting News has already dubbed him the "next" Reggie Bush (they said it...not me).

Felix Jones is a definite talent and one of my favorite players on the team, but McFadden....he ain't.

[jbuzbee]

I think Felix Jones has more raw talent then McFadden.

No way.

He (Jones) is faster, but definately doesn't have McFadden's power.

Jones is definitely NOT faster.

[Jay_Lupo]

Damn, thanks Buz. I thought I was losing it for a second. They're both great, but I'll never choose Felix over Darren. I just like the fact that all three - DMAC, Jones and Hillis - are going to be on the field at the same time next year. I'm not trying to diss Felix. Save McFadden, Jones had the best frosh. season from a back since at least Cedric Cobbs. But he's not in McFadden's league.

Buz, we needs to kick it homie. Haven't talked to you in a while. Give me a call or shoot me an email. I might be off this weekend. I might have to go to Fayetteville too if White Hall wins tomorrow though. Wanna come to Mills and watch? Just foolin. Holler.

[geechee]

I just like the fact that all three - DMAC, Jones and Hillis - are going to be on the field at the same time next year.


Y'all's offense is going to have three running backs on the field at the same time?

[AUTiger94]

Y'all's offense is going to have three running backs on the field at the same time?
I smell 9 in the box!



How about Brandon Cox. (Wow! those 2 sentences sound like Dr. Seuss :ohmy: )

Another year w/ Borges the kid might just take off this year as JC did in 04.

[GTmorris1970]

I agree with Rice and McFadden. I also disagree that the numbers for Rice will go down. For anyone who watched Carolina in the spring, they have MUCH more talent on offense this year. Spurrier is using every capable body to catch the ball this time around. For anyone who double teams Rice, it won't last long, especially if Newton is back. Carolina's offense IMO will be able to put up 30 plus in most games this season.

[blues_cap]

Y'all's offense is going to have three running backs on the field at the same time?

i think he is referring to a 2 man backfield with either jones or mcfadden split out(or hillis for that matter), ala reggie bush last year.

[goallthewayua]

Hey Jay and buz don't worry about it. We are all Arkansas fans here so this isn't an argument its a discussion and truthfully I'm glad we are having it because as soon as last season ended I was almost certain that Jones was going to transfer. Plus it isn't a bad thing to be in a position to have a discussion on which back is better when both are so talented. That being said I'm still sticking to my guns on Jones having more yards this year than McFadden for the reasons I stated earlier: He will be keyed on by defenses more, and he will be utalized as a receiver a lot this season. I don't agree with saying that Jones isn't in the same league as McFadden. I think that if it was Felix Jones with 176 carries last season (McFaddens# of attempts) instead of 99 carries (Jones carries last season) all the hype this year would be about Felix instead of McFadden. Both Averaged 6.3 yards a carry last year, but of course McFadden did have 11 touchdowns as well. I've looked all over the internet, but I can't find their 40 times posted anywhere so if you can find them let me know, but I'm about 90% sure that Jones' was faster.

Or I could be wrong and McFadden could have the best year of any running back in the SEC next season. In that case I would still be happy. I'm from Little Rock so little would make me happier then seeing a dog town boy be in contention for SEC player of the year or possibly a Heisman. Anyway, I"ll make you a deal, I know we will all be in Little Rock Nov 24 so if I'm wrong after the game the first few rounds at the River Market are on me. Yal pick the place. I may even let Geaux come to if we win.

Remember guys only 108 days left until we find out.

[geechee]

i think he is referring to a 2 man backfield with either jones or mcfadden split out(or hillis for that matter), ala reggie bush last year.

That still makes no sense unless they are going without a fullback.

[woo_pig_sooie]

That still makes no sense unless they are going without a fullback.

the way they did it in the spring game was have mcfadden split out and hillis and jones in the i-formation. they would put mcfadden in motion and fake the reverse to him and then toss it out to jones going the other way. also, they are going to split mcfadden out and have hillis and jones line up on either side of the quarterback in shotgun.

a lot of possibilities to say the least with those formations.

[geechee]

the way they did it in the spring game was have mcfadden split out and hillis and jones in the i-formation. they would put mcfadden in motion and fake the reverse to him and then toss it out to jones going the other way. also, they are going to split mcfadden out and have hillis and jones line up on either side of the quarterback in shotgun.

a lot of possibilities to say the least with those formations.

Did they do that the whole game? You have to remember that the spring game is not a game but a scrimmage and that is totally different. Were they lining up against y'all's #1 defense? I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just trying to figure out how this is going to be successful on a week to week basis against the fastest defenses in the NCAA which is what the SEC is known to have. As I said in an earlier post, I'm just glad we are finished playing y'all for a few years in the regular season. I do feel with McFadden and the new QB coming on that y'all will be a dangerous offense in another year or so.

[woo_pig_sooie]

Did they do that the whole game? You have to remember that the spring game is not a game but a scrimmage and that is totally different. Were they lining up against y'all's #1 defense? I'm not saying it won't work, I'm just trying to figure out how this is going to be successful on a week to week basis against the fastest defenses in the NCAA which is what the SEC is known to have. As I said in an earlier post, I'm just glad we are finished playing y'all for a few years in the regular season. I do feel with McFadden and the new QB coming on that y'all will be a dangerous offense in another year or so.

they won't do it every play, just certain situations. i'm assuming they're just trying to get our best players on the field.

[jbuzbee]

You gotta remember that Hillis is basically a fullback that sometimes plays tailback. The guy is 230+lbs. and played fullback in high school. He's a great blocker.

McFadden or Jones...or even Michael Smith can split out wide. We used to be notorious for having such a deep group of young runningbacks that we will move one to WR (i.e. Decori Birmingham, Dedrick Poole). Neither McFadden or Jones will be moved permanently from tailback...don't worry bout that.

[Jay_Lupo]

That's a deal Goalltheway. I'm from Crime Bluff and Buz is from the rock. I wasn't trying to diss ya or anything, I'm just of the opinion that Jones isn't in DMAC's league.

Oh, and here ya go: 40's are actually closer than I thought.

McFadden (4.38): http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=26648

Jones (4.4): http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=25407

More often than not, I'd expect you'll see McFadden and Hillis or Jones and Hillis in the backfield this coming season. But as mentioned, there will be formations where McFadden/Jones is split wide with the other in the I w/ Hillis. I'd also expect there to be formations where Hillis is split wide with McFadden and Jones in the backfield. There will probably be some where McFadden, Jones and Hillis all line up in the backfield. Who knows? But there's a lot of possibilities with those three, and I can promise that none of them are going to be doing too much sitting on the bench. With that said, I still think Darren will be the "feature" back of the offense. He better be :)