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Rebel Mike
02-20-2006, 04:16 PM
Iranian cleric: Use of nuclear arms sometimes permissible
By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent and The Associated Press
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/684232.html

A religious leader in Iran has said that in certain situations it is permissible by Muslim law to use nuclear weapons.

Hojatol-Islam Mohsen Gharavian was quoted by the Iran News as saying that according to Muslim Shariya, "When the world is armed with nuclear weapons, it is permissible to make use of these weapons in order to stand up against this threat."

This is the fist time the Iranian government has not censored such statements from a religious leader, according to Meir Javedanfar, an Israeli of Iranian descent and Middle East analyst at the Middle East Economic and Political Analysis Company. Until now, said Javedanfar, the Iranianian government had given clear instructions against saying anything that could be interpreted to mean that Iran is planning to use its nuclear technology for military purposes.

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Gharavian's statement contradicts the words of other religious leaders, who have declared that Islam does not permit the production or use of nuclear weapons.

Javedanfar said that Gharavian's words testify to the difference of opinion within the Iranian elite, both governmental and religious.

Gharavian is considered a close associate of the conservative Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi, who recently attempted to rank himself as candidate for the replacement of the ruling Ayatollah Ali Khamenei upon the latter's resignation.

Iran on Friday confirmed that it has begun using centrifugal gas in its uranium enrichment facility.

On Saturday, a gathering of Iranians who claim they are dedicated to becoming suicide bombers warned the United States and Britain of attacks on coalition military bases in Iraq if there were a strike against Tehran's nuclear facilities.

"With more than 1,000 trained martyrdom-seekers, we are ready to attack the American and British sensitive points if they attack Iran's nuclear facilities," said Mohammad Ali Samadi, spokesman of Esteshadion (Martyrdom Seekers). "We have registered more than 52,000 people who willingly are ready to defend their country."

"If they strike, we have a lot of volunteers. Their (U.S. and British) sensitive places are quiet close to Iranian borders," Samadi said after a gathering of about 200 students for a seminar on the suicide-bombing tactics at Tehran's Khajeh Nasir University.

Samadi reviewed the history of the suicide bombing as a weapon, praising it as the most effective Palestinian tactic in their confrontation with Israel.

The organizers also showed video clips of suicide attacks against Israelis, including one in the Morag settlement near Rafah in the Gaza Strip in February 2005. One settler, three Israeli soldiers and the two attackers were killed in the attack.

Hasan Abbasi, the main speaker, also praised suicide bombers but denounced attacks against "innocent people as al-Qaida did in New York."

Abbasi told the audience of potential martyrs that Iran was not seeking nuclear weapons as claimed by the United States and some of its allies.

"Our martyrdom-seekers are our nuclear weapons," said Abbasi, a university instructor and former ranking in the elite Revolutionary Guards.

After his speech, about 50 students filled out membership applications.

"This is a unique opportunity for me to die for God, next to my brothers in Palestine. That was why I signed up," said Reza Haghshenas, 22, an electrical engineering student.

A 23-year-old woman student, Maryam Amereh, said: "We are trying to defend Islam. It's a way to draw the attention of others to our activities."

But Rahim Hasanlu, a 22-year-old industrial management student, sipped his orange juice and declared himself not interested in joining. "I just attended to learn what they're saying, thats all."

Esteshadion was formed in late 2004, calling for members on a sporadic basis at Friday prayer ceremonies, state-sponsored rallies and at the group's occasional meetings.

Those who join have three choices: To train for suicide attacks to defend Iran's national interests, for suicide attacks against Israel or the assassination of British author Salman Rushdie, who was sentenced to death by former Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Khomeini for his 1989 book, "Satanic Verses."

GatorNation
02-20-2006, 05:16 PM
On Saturday, a gathering of Iranians who claim they are dedicated to becoming suicide bombers warned the United States and Britain of attacks on coalition military bases in Iraq if there were a strike against Tehran's nuclear facilities.

Samadi reviewed the history of the suicide bombing as a weapon, praising it as the most effective Palestinian tactic in their confrontation with Israel.

The organizers also showed video clips of suicide attacks against Israelis, including one in the Morag settlement near Rafah in the Gaza Strip in February 2005. One settler, three Israeli soldiers and the two attackers were killed in the attack.

Hasan Abbasi, the main speaker, also praised suicide bombers but denounced attacks against "innocent people as al-Qaida did in New York."

Abbasi told the audience of potential martyrs that Iran was not seeking nuclear weapons as claimed by the United States and some of its allies.

"Our martyrdom-seekers are our nuclear weapons," said Abbasi, a university instructor and former ranking in the elite Revolutionary Guards.

After his speech, about 50 students filled out membership applications.

"This is a unique opportunity for me to die for God, next to my brothers in Palestine. That was why I signed up," said Reza Haghshenas, 22, an electrical engineering student.

A 23-year-old woman student, Maryam Amereh, said: "We are trying to defend Islam. It's a way to draw the attention of others to our activities."

But Rahim Hasanlu, a 22-year-old industrial management student, sipped his orange juice and declared himself not interested in joining. "I just attended to learn what they're saying, thats all."

Esteshadion was formed in late 2004, calling for members on a sporadic basis at Friday prayer ceremonies, state-sponsored rallies and at the group's occasional meetings.

Those who join have three choices: To train for suicide attacks to defend Iran's national interests, for suicide attacks against Israel or the assassination of British author Salman Rushdie, who was sentenced to death by former Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Khomeini for his 1989 book, "Satanic Verses."
Hey, let's hurry up and get rid of that Patriot Act.

Wouldn't want to offend any Muslim extremists before one of them decided to blow themselves up on Main Street.

:rolleyes:

cocky4ever
02-21-2006, 05:41 AM
Hey, let's hurry up and get rid of that Patriot Act.

Wouldn't want to offend any Muslim extremists before one of them decided to blow themselves up on Main Street.

:rolleyes:
Perhaps if the Patriot Act would include provisions for things like illegal immigration, fake drivers licenses, fake passports,etc. it would be able to gain more support. As it is now terrorists can pour across our southern border at an alarming rate, but hey...at least we can know what books they're checking out at the library right :rolleyes:

GatorNation
02-21-2006, 08:54 AM
Perhaps if the Patriot Act would include provisions for things like illegal immigration, fake drivers licenses, fake passports,etc. it would be able to gain more support. As it is now terrorists can pour across our southern border at an alarming rate, but hey...at least we can know what books they're checking out at the library right :rolleyes:
You're right, it should be more inclusive, but with all of the trouble surrounding even the limitations of reading emails and listening to cell phone conversations, I highly doubt we will be able to expand its scope....

...which is a shame, because that's exactly what we need.

GeauxTo
02-21-2006, 10:49 AM
You're right, it should be more inclusive, but with all of the trouble surrounding even the limitations of reading emails and listening to cell phone conversations, I highly doubt we will be able to expand its scope....

...which is a shame, because that's exactly what we need.
I think our gravest need is to do something definite about immigration, both legal and illegal.

As far as Iran is concerned, I think that problem is out of our hands. Israel will be the solution to that episode in Muslim ignorance.

Rebel Mike
02-21-2006, 01:14 PM
Did you know that the FBI had Zacarias Moussaoi in custody before 911 due to an invalid visa but failed to search his computer due to a bs ruling by a judge not to grant the search warrant due to the 4th amendment? because we extend fourth amendment rights to illegals, the fbi was unable to search his computer and learn of the hijacking plot until september 12th..what really sucked is the entire plan and all its details were found on the hard drive a day too late. thanks alot bill of rights.

We talked about it in political science today..totally shocked me. :brick:

GatorNation
02-21-2006, 03:53 PM
Did you know that the FBI had Zacarias Moussaoi in custody before 911 due to an invalid visa but failed to search his computer due to a bs ruling by a judge not to grant the search warrant due to the 4th amendment? because we extend fourth amendment rights to illegals, the fbi was unable to search his computer and learn of the hijacking plot until september 12th..what really sucked is the entire plan and all its details were found on the hard drive a day too late. thanks alot bill of rights.

We talked about it in political science today..totally shocked me. :brick:
Read the 911 Commission report. The rabbit hole goes much deeper than that....

Rebel Mike
02-21-2006, 04:38 PM
Shoot man I don't even want to know, i'm sick enough. I feel the bill of rights should be suspended for those here illegally. That way, they won't have much motivation in coming in illegally knowing that if American police wanted to, they could do brutal things to them before shipping them back. Maybe i'm a little too conservative with that belief, but I believe national security comes before the rights of some illegal fresh out of the river or stayed after a visa expiration. Besides, i've got nothing to hide, so if the man wants to hear my boring phone calls, God bless him.

cocky4ever
02-21-2006, 05:42 PM
I think there are certain rights that every person has. However, there are also some things that we enjoy in this country that shouldnt be granted to those who are here illegally. If they are here illegally then I dont have a problem with searching them or their belongings. Hell, they can search their own citizens for probable cause, which could be anything if they want to search you. The way things are now we basically have universal healthcare for illegal immigrants but not for U.S. citizens. What is wrong with that picture??!! I personally have a problem with warrantless wiretaps, not because I have something to hide, but because of the principle of the matter. This administration is consistenly pusing for a more invasive central govt., a central govt. that has more power over individual states, and a more powerful executive branch. At the same time this adminstration wants to be as secretive as possible about things. It also doesnt care about what the house or congress says. Bush v.2.0 will veto any bill that stands in the way of big business, but doesnt really care about ones that negatively affect the citizens. Just look at the new port deal. He has already promised to veto any bill that may stand in the way or even just slow the deal so that more questions can be answered.


Is it just me or does it seem that the safety of the citizens are not a top priority for this administration and that big business and a more powerful central govt. are?? Connect the dots......

Anyway, back to the original topic. I would like to see the passage from the Qu'ran that the Iranian religous leader views as justifying nuclear attacks. Ummmm.... Im pretty sure that in 600 A.D. Muhammed had never fathomed a nuclear weapon:rolleyes:

GatorNation
02-21-2006, 06:57 PM
I think there are certain rights that every person has. However, there are also some things that we enjoy in this country that shouldnt be granted to those who are here illegally.
Good points all around.

I'll add this also: I'd like us to be more strict with who we let into this country and why they're here. Most of the hijackers were here legally; they were on student visas, visiting family, "studying" at flight schools, or whatever. There should be very specific reasons (and, in the end, reasons wholly beneficial to the U.S.) for entering our country, and there should be a HUGE upgrade in the methodology and effectiveness of tracking those non-citizens while they are here. Too often, they show up in NY or CA, rent a room in Omaha, NE, and get lost in the system.