The Muslim School Principal

[GeauxTo]

Is the principal of your school a Muslim??
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[GeauxTo]

Doesn't matter... kill the West!

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[Chris]

If we get hacked, its gonna be your fault man.

There are Muslim hackers going after sites right now.

[scunyon]

If we get hacked, its gonna be your fault man.

There are Muslim hackers going after sites right now.

These guys just won't quit! Man that would be jacked up if they hacked up sectalk :eek: Doing that would just take the rag off the bush, and it would be time for desperate measures to be taken :mad:

[WayzUp]

It's a legitimate question though...if no one's allowed to portray Mooohammyman's image, how do they know the Danish cartoonists were portraying him?

[GeauxTo]

Mooohammyman's image
Ha-Ha-Ha
You gotta love that, man!
:D

[Cianne]

It's a legitimate question though...if no one's allowed to portray Mooohammyman's image, how do they know the Danish cartoonists were portraying him?

It's not entirely true that you aren't allowed to portray Mohammed's image. Many Shiites carry his picture on them.

[WayzUp]

It's not entirely true that you aren't allowed to portray Mohammed's image. Many Shiites carry his picture on them.
Then why all the outrage? I thought that was their main beef with this whole thing...that they don't allow images of Mohammed because they don't want it to lead to idolatry.

We're talking about CARTOONS here for Allah's sake. :rolleyes: ;)

[cocky4ever]

Then why all the outrage? I thought that was their main beef with this whole thing...that they don't allow images of Mohammed because they don't want it to lead to idolatry.

We're talking about CARTOONS here for Allah's sake. :rolleyes: ;)
If it had been just a simple drawing of Mohammed I dont think it would've picked up very much steam. The fact that the newspaper made out their saviour to be a terrorist is why the whole story has picked the momentum it has. The irony I see in the whole situation is that the ones who are violent are accurately depicted by the cartoons and they are the ones getting offended. The ones who arent violent are the ones being pigeonholed into a label that doesnt apply to them and they arent out there making idiots out of themselves.

Sometimes I wonder if it has more to do with some of the govts. over there than it does with the religion. You dont hear about Muslims in America doing those kinds of things. Really the only country that I can think of that has the types of freedoms we have in which violent protest by Muslims has taken place was a while ago in France when all those cars were being burned. Even then it wasnt as much a religous statement as it was a social one. I think some of the govts. in the Middle East know just how controlling a religion can be and they use that to their advantage. There are Muslims all over the world but we keep hearing about the trouble makers being in the same countries time and time again. Does anyone else think maybe it has as much(if not more) to do with the social structures in those countries as it does with the religion of Islam?

[uscrebel]

I am stumped that you guys are stumped. The fact is that right or wrong many sects in Islam in developing nations feel that Western Culture is trying to wipe it out. This did not happen overnight and will continue to pick up steam as long as the world is made up of haves and have not in such stark differentiation.

[GeauxTo]

I am stumped that you guys are stumped. The fact is that right or wrong many sects in Islam in developing nations feel that Western Culture is trying to wipe it out. This did not happen overnight and will continue to pick up steam as long as the world is made up of haves and have not in such stark differentiation.
The Muslim hatred has little to do with haves and have nots, I'm afraid. Osama came from an extremely wealthy family, for example. Have nots in the world who are not influenced by Islam and its teachings, don't blow themselves up to kill innocent people. That is a trait specific to Muslims and their intense hatred of the Jew and anyone (any nation) that befriends the Jew (and Israel), regardless of their economic status. Naivety regarding Muslims could cost you your way of life and your life itself.

[cocky4ever]

The Muslim hatred has little to do with haves and have nots, I'm afraid. Osama came from an extremely wealthy family, for example. Have nots in the world who are not influenced by Islam and its teachings, don't blow themselves up to kill innocent people. That is a trait specific to Muslims and their intense hatred of the Jew and anyone (any nation) that befriends the Jew (and Israel), regardless of their economic status. Naivety regarding Muslims could cost you your way of life and your life itself.
But it does seem that the hatred is more concentrated in some areas. Bin Laden was very wealthy but he came from an area in which this kind of tension has been common for many centuries. The govts. over there have learned how to use religous structures to control the populace, not unlike the Church of England or the early Catholic Church. In some ways it still goes on in all religions, its just that some sects of Islam are so extreme in their hatred for others they stick out like a sore thumb.

We have heard that Iran and Syria encouraged protests. This is a perfect example of govts. over there encouraging these types of violence. There are over a million muslims in America. How many protests did you hear of taking place over here?? In this country and in many European countries the citizens are used to universal freedoms like freedom of expression, press,etc. We grow up in a society in which someone has the right to express themselves even if other people may not like what they hear. Muslims in this country understand that because they have been surrounded by that. This country is much more accepting of various beliefs than other countries(yes, even the Muslims in this country).

Some of the Middle Eastern countries are using this religion thing to keep peoples minds off of the basic human rights they are being denied in those countries. They want their govt. to stay strong and controlling. They see our freedoms and societal structure as a threat to their powers. Who doesnt want universal freedoms? Of course people do. The way they combat this is to make out our structures as evil and us as the enemy in the name of their religion. In a way they are just taking the attention of their citizens off of the unjust system in place and putting it on us. I think its more of a regional problem than it is a religous one......

[GeauxTo]

Nice, well-reasoned post.

My biggest fear, I think, is that Iran will continue to push its nuclear agenda to the point that Israel will make a pre-emptive strike. And, I think it will be totally pre-emtive; no consultations with the U. S. or other allies, because they will want it to succeed. Israel won't play nice with the Persians and the Arabs (the Muslims) like we have done in Iraq. They will devastate the land and kill beyond belief. Iran is toying with disaster, not at our hand, but at the hand of the Israelis. And those who come into it on the side of the Iranians (Syria, for sure, and probably Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia) will be annihilated as well. Did someone mention the apocalypse? We can only imagine the reaction of Russia, China, and the U. S.

[OmahaBound]

Nice, well-reasoned post.

My biggest fear, I think, is that Iran will continue to push its nuclear agenda to the point that Israel will make a pre-emptive strike. And, I think it will be totally pre-emtive; no consultations with the U. S. or other allies, because they will want it to succeed. Israel won't play nice with the Persians and the Arabs (the Muslims) like we have done in Iraq. They will devastate the land and kill beyond belief. Iran is toying with disaster, not at our hand, but at the hand of the Israelis. And those who come into it on the side of the Iranians (Syria, for sure, and probably Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia) will be annihilated as well. Did someone mention the apocalypse? We can only imagine the reaction of Russia, China, and the U. S.

man, Geaux, you are such a downer when you've been heavily drinking. losing to North Florida this early in the season isn't that big of a deal!! step away from the booze!!! :p ;)

[AUTiger94]

Nice, well-reasoned post.

My biggest fear, I think, is that Iran will continue to push its nuclear agenda to the point that Israel will make a pre-emptive strike. And, I think it will be totally pre-emtive; no consultations with the U. S. or other allies, because they will want it to succeed. Israel won't play nice with the Persians and the Arabs (the Muslims) like we have done in Iraq. They will devastate the land and kill beyond belief. Iran is toying with disaster, not at our hand, but at the hand of the Israelis. And those who come into it on the side of the Iranians (Syria, for sure, and probably Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia) will be annihilated as well. Did someone mention the apocalypse? We can only imagine the reaction of Russia, China, and the U. S.

This is also what I fear. It was a miracle that we were able to limit the Israeli's involvement in the first gulf war seeing as Saddam was shooting scud missiles at Israeli cities. They will not wait for sanctions to work ( as if). I would be watching Pakistan closely as well. Their natives are restless and they have nukes.

[Cianne]

Mutually assured destruction will keep Pakistan from using nuclear weapons seeing as how they only have the range capabilities to hit India who also has the same capabilities except with a vastly superior military.

[AUTiger94]

Mutually assured destruction will keep Pakistan from using nuclear weapons seeing as how they only have the range capabilities to hit India who also has the same capabilities except with a vastly superior military.
But what if the country fell into some kind of Civil war w/ a radical Islamic government siezing power. I think the focus will quickly shift from India. The Taliban is already reorganizing in the North western mountains of PAkistan and have already enforced their "laws" on the people of that region. It is widely known that the Pakistani govt. is in bed w/ the US. If the people begin to rise up it could get interesting there.

[Cianne]

Pakistan has no ICBM capabilities. Even if they did, it would be old Soviet technology that could be shot down if it was aimed at the US, Japan, or Europe. That would be the problem of staging some sort of nuclear uprising there.

India would still remain the primary target of any fundamentalist Islamic crazy group, especially due to the hatred that already exists with Kashmir, etc.

Also, needs more ESPN coverage of India-Pakistan cricket, the most watched game in the world. I have no idea how that friggin' game works.

[WayzUp]

The Muslim hatred has little to do with haves and have nots, I'm afraid. Osama came from an extremely wealthy family, for example. Have nots in the world who are not influenced by Islam and its teachings, don't blow themselves up to kill innocent people. That is a trait specific to Muslims and their intense hatred of the Jew and anyone (any nation) that befriends the Jew (and Israel), regardless of their economic status. Naivety regarding Muslims could cost you your way of life and your life itself.
It's not the haves that are blowing themselves up in car bombs or with dynamite encrusted girdles. The haves are the ones whispering promises of 72 virgins to the have-nots while they point at the West and tell the have-not in question that they're the infidels. The have-nots don't have any reason to stop and weigh blowing themselves up against all the good things in their lives because more often than not, there probably isn't anything good in their lives.

The haves & have nots is definitely a factor in a lot of the random acts of violence that we see, I think. You won't see Osama strapping himself or any of his chief associates with a bomb and heading over to the US Embassy....they have too much to live for, you see.

[WayzUp]

Nice, well-reasoned post.

My biggest fear, I think, is that Iran will continue to push its nuclear agenda to the point that Israel will make a pre-emptive strike. And, I think it will be totally pre-emtive; no consultations with the U. S. or other allies, because they will want it to succeed. Israel won't play nice with the Persians and the Arabs (the Muslims) like we have done in Iraq. They will devastate the land and kill beyond belief. Iran is toying with disaster, not at our hand, but at the hand of the Israelis. And those who come into it on the side of the Iranians (Syria, for sure, and probably Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia) will be annihilated as well. Did someone mention the apocalypse? We can only imagine the reaction of Russia, China, and the U. S.
Geaux my friend, this is my biggest fear and the one I think has the best probability to actually happen. Our next President better be a master at diplomacy because it's going to take some doing to keep Israel from getting trigger happy. I agree with you; i think they're jumping at shadows already and won't need much of an excuse to do what they feel is necessary to defend themselves. They're as much a threat with their nukes as Iran would be....at least the other members of the nuclear club have an economic stake in the world economy to deter them from ever using them...Iran & Israel just plain hate eachother & that could be reason enough.

Take religion out of the equation and I wonder how tense things would be over there.... :rolleyes: