Muslim Ignorance

[GeauxTo]

This is a funny cartoon, yet pathetic in that it portrays Muslim ignorance so graphically...

http://cagle.msnbc.com/working/060208/lane.gif (http://www.cagle.com/caglecards/main.asp?image=http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/060208/lane.gif)

[CockyTatGuy]

The thing that sticks out to me about the whole martyrdom and getting 72 virgins is this. So if a man is killed for allah he gets 72 virgins to please him in every way. Isn't that like torture for the chicks that he gets, having to be at a hairy, stinky dudes beck and call. They musta screwed up big time before they died.

[GeauxTo]

The thing that sticks out to me about the whole martyrdom and getting 72 virgins is this. So if a man is killed for allah he gets 72 virgins to please him in every way. Isn't that like torture for the chicks that he gets, having to be at a hairy, stinky dudes beck and call. They musta screwed up big time before they died.

Ha-Ha-Ha
You've hit it on the head, Dude. Hell for one, heaven for the other.
:D

[GatorNation]

The thing that sticks out to me about the whole martyrdom and getting 72 virgins is this. So if a man is killed for allah he gets 72 virgins to please him in every way. Isn't that like torture for the chicks that he gets, having to be at a hairy, stinky dudes beck and call. They musta screwed up big time before they died.
Why die for Allah? Pimps can get that reward here on earth....well, I guess their girls aren't virgins, lol....but, hey, they're gettin' PAID, too.

I think we should all sell Muslim extremists bridge property in NY.

[OmahaBound]

The thing that sticks out to me about the whole martyrdom and getting 72 virgins is this. So if a man is killed for allah he gets 72 virgins to please him in every way. Isn't that like torture for the chicks that he gets, having to be at a hairy, stinky dudes beck and call. They musta screwed up big time before they died.

the virgins didn't live on earth. they are created by allah for the men in the afterlife.

i don't know whether you were meaning for that to be a joke....if so i apologize for being lame and ruining it, hehe.

[GeauxTo]

the virgins didn't live on earth. they are created by allah for the men in the afterlife.

i don't know whether you were meaning for that to be a joke....if so i apologize for being lame and ruining it, hehe.
Is that part of the Qu'ran or just some additional Mullah and Caliph BS?
http://www.afghan-web.com/images/culture/mullah.gif
:D

[OmahaBound]

Is that part of the Qu'ran or just some additional Mullah and Caliph BS?
http://www.afghan-web.com/images/culture/mullah.gif
:D

don't know, don't care. that's what they believe, just like they believe the 72 virgins will be there for them.

is the 72 virgins part in the qu'ran? i don't think it is, so if that's the case then common sense says that allah creating the virgins would have to be made up as well.

also, when i say that's what 'they' believe, i'm not referring to muslims. i'm referring to the extremists that you are talking about. there's a difference.

[cocky4ever]

don't know, don't care. that's what they believe, just like they believe the 72 virgins will be there for them.

is the 72 virgins part in the qu'ran? i don't think it is, so if that's the case then common sense says that allah creating the virgins would have to be made up as well.
Like the Bible the meaning is all in the translation:

http://ko.offroadpakistan.com/religion/2004_08/quran_may_promise_grapes_not_virgins.html

[GeauxTo]

i'm not referring to muslims. i'm referring to the extremists that you are talking about. there's a difference.Doesn't seem to be a lot of difference when you see things like the Palestinian's electing a majority Hamas parliament and the deafening silence of mainstream Muslims in America pursuant to "extremist" atrocities throughout the world. In general, whether they admit it to your face or not, it is my belief that the vast majority of the world's (and America's) Muslim population despises Americans and would eradicate them, along with the Jews in Israel, if they could. I come to that conclusion, not out of any inborn, religious, or predisposed bias, but by observation. Their behavior, not mine, is why I've come to think as I do. I have come to completely distrust all Muslims.

[cocky4ever]

Doesn't seem to be a lot of difference when you see things like the Palestinian's electing a majority Hamas parliament and the deafening silence of mainstream Muslims in America pursuant to "extremist" atrocities throughout the world. In general, whether they admit it to your face or not, it is my belief that the vast majority of the world's (and America's) Muslim population despises Americans and would eradicate them, along with the Jews in Israel, if they could. I come to that conclusion, not out of any inborn, religious, or predisposed bias, but by observation. Their behavior, not mine, is why I've come to think as I do. I have come to completely distrust all Muslims.
There are over a billion muslims in the world. How many have been involved in protests? It seems to me that with numbers like that even if 30% of them were violent the world would be a much worse place. I would say that the radical muslims probably make up at the most about 10% of the muslim population. Of course, theres no way to know for sure. In my book you can be as distrusting as you please as long as you dont act out towards a Muslim for the sole purpose that they're Muslim. I dont judge all Christians based on Pat Robertson just because he makes the news more than the rest of them...

[OmahaBound]

Doesn't seem to be a lot of difference when you see things like the Palestinian's electing a majority Hamas parliament and the deafening silence of mainstream Muslims in America pursuant to "extremist" atrocities throughout the world. In general, whether they admit it to your face or not, it is my belief that the vast majority of the world's (and America's) Muslim population despises Americans and would eradicate them, along with the Jews in Israel, if they could. I come to that conclusion, not out of any inborn, religious, or predisposed bias, but by observation. Their behavior, not mine, is why I've come to think as I do. I have come to completely distrust all Muslims.

i know, and you've made that clear for quite awhile. most americans are in the same position where they have to make their viewpoints off of what they see on TV or read in US newspapers, because they don't have a lot of experience dealing with muslims in their every day lives. pretty ironic that you titled the thread Muslim Ignorance when there is so much American Ignorance as well. don't be insulted by that....every single person is ignorant on many topics and cultures. I think I'm a pretty smart person, but there's no doubt there are PLENTY of cultures and topics of which I'm ignorant.

[uscrebel]

Doesn't seem to be a lot of difference when you see things like the Palestinian's electing a majority Hamas parliament and the deafening silence of mainstream Muslims in America pursuant to "extremist" atrocities throughout the world. In general, whether they admit it to your face or not, it is my belief that the vast majority of the world's (and America's) Muslim population despises Americans and would eradicate them, along with the Jews in Israel, if they could. I come to that conclusion, not out of any inborn, religious, or predisposed bias, but by observation. Their behavior, not mine, is why I've come to think as I do. I have come to completely distrust all Muslims.

Actually, this is more a function of the media, not the "mainstream Muslims." We have quite a few Muslim friends. As I have indicated on here before, my youngest son's best friend is Muslim and Irvine has the largest "Persian" population on the West Coast. I occasionally see news conferences decrying extremism buried on page 10 or on the local network affiliate, but they never seem to be able to bump the war and scandals in Washington off of the National news.

Don't get me wrong, I have no good feelings about the response to the cartoons, but this is not about Islam any more than Jonestown was about Christianity.

[GeauxTo]

There are over a billion muslims in the world. How many have been involved in protests? It seems to me that with numbers like that even if 30% of them were violent the world would be a much worse place. I would say that the radical muslims probably make up at the most about 10% of the muslim population. Of course, theres no way to know for sure. In my book you can be as distrusting as you please as long as you dont act out towards a Muslim for the sole purpose that they're Muslim. I dont judge all Christians based on Pat Robertson just because he makes the news more than the rest of them...
You make very good sense. It is my prerogative, however, to be distrustful of Muslims. I would never act out against a Muslim in any way, nor would I be rude or insulting to a Muslim (or to anyone else). But, as long as I feel that the deep-seated hatred within Muslims wants me dead and my way of life abolished, I'll be vigilant. Any large university, such as LSU for example, has a large student population of Muslims, so I am not devoid of contact with the Muslim community. Even though you work with them or your children befriend them in school, or you befriend them, you cannot know what is in their heart. From what I know of their behavior, of their literature, and of their prophet, I am going to be wary.

[Cianne]

Paranoia can be pretty dangerous as well.

[GeauxTo]

Paranoia can be pretty dangerous as well.
Your gravestone may read...

"Here lies Cianne, never, never paranoid.
But lying here, anyway, of his head, devoid."

:D

[GatorNation]

You make very good sense. It is my prerogative, however, to be distrustful of Muslims. I would never act out against a Muslim in any way, nor would I be rude or insulting to a Muslim (or to anyone else). But, as long as I feel that the deep-seated hatred within Muslims wants me dead and my way of life abolished, I'll be vigilant. Any large university, such as LSU for example, has a large student population of Muslims, so I am not devoid of contact with the Muslim community. Even though you work with them or your children befriend them in school, or you befriend them, you cannot know what is in their heart. From what I know of their behavior, of their literature, and of their prophet, I am going to be wary.

VERY well said.

And true, too!

:D

[crimsonnation713]

Paranoia can be pretty dangerous as well.

theres a difference in paranoia and caution...nothing wrong with being a bit cautious in these days and times..

[JerryBeeds]

The balls of muslims to demand an apology over the publishing of cartoons in freakin Denmark for god's sake is galling to me. I'm still waiting on an apology for Beiruit, The Kobar towers, Killing 300+ school children in Russia, Nic Berg, Margret Hassan, Daniel Pearl, 9/11, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings in Africa, the Bali bombings, the rape and destruction in the Sudan, do I need to continue? I think you get my point.

[WayzUp]

The balls of muslims to demand an apology over the publishing of cartoons in freakin Denmark for god's sake is galling to me. I'm still waiting on an apology for Beiruit, The Kobar towers, Killing 300+ school children in Russia, Nic Berg, Margret Hassan, Daniel Pearl, 9/11, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings in Africa, the Bali bombings, the rape and destruction in the Sudan, do I need to continue? I think you get my point.
Beed, my man...I think you just hit the bullseye. The extremist Muslims wouldn't know what a double-standard was if it was strapped to their chest with an egg timer.

Another double-standard I don't understand is how they denounce any earthly pleasures while on Earth but use 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven as incentive to do Allah's violent bidding. The hypocrisy coming from these wackos is inherent and all encompassing....but I still think the vast majority of the world's Muslims are as appalled by these acts as the rest of us. Just because we see nothing but the extreme on CNN and Faux News doesn't mean they're all like that or even a significant percentage.

[GatorNation]

Beed, my man...I think you just hit the bullseye. The extremist Muslims wouldn't know what a double-standard was if it was strapped to their chest with an egg timer.

Another double-standard I don't understand is how they denounce any earthly pleasures while on Earth but use 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven as incentive to do Allah's violent bidding. The hypocrisy coming from these wackos is inherent and all encompassing....but I still think the vast majority of the world's Muslims are as appalled by these acts as the rest of us. Just because we see nothing but the extreme on CNN and Faux News doesn't mean they're all like that or even a significant percentage.

If Allah existed, he'd be a fool.

[Cianne]

Your gravestone may read...

"Here lies Cianne, never, never paranoid.
But lying here, anyway, of his head, devoid."

:D

Tell ya what.

If I am kidnapped by Islamic extremists, friends, etc on American soil, and I am held hostage by them. Then if I am beheaded by these Islamic followers whilst still on said American soil. I will posthumously acknowledge your paranoia as a necessity.

Until then, I will continue to associate with those of Middle Eastern and/or Pakistani/Indian descent with no ill thought of it.

[GatorNation]

Tell ya what.

If I am kidnapped by Islamic extremists, friends, etc on American soil, and I am held hostage by them. Then if I am beheaded by these Islamic followers whilst still on said American soil. I will posthumously acknowledge your paranoia as a necessity.
That's your only criteria for concern?

They may leave you alone in line to get your Starbucks, but they may be sending money to someone who is about to nab some US contractor in Iraq. Nick Berg was the cousin of a good friend of mine. It's a smaller world than you think.

Anyway, I'd rather be considered a racial-profiling, right-wing bleeper than be blown up in some pizza place because I thought they were only "over there" somewhere. They're among us, biding their time. We'll either get them, or they'll get us.

Those are the only two possible outcomes.

[RW13]

The balls of muslims to demand an apology over the publishing of cartoons in freakin Denmark for god's sake is galling to me. I'm still waiting on an apology for Beiruit, The Kobar towers, Killing 300+ school children in Russia, Nic Berg, Margret H*cussword**cussword**cussword*an, Daniel Pearl, 9/11, the USS Cole, the emb*cussword**cussword**cussword*y bombings in Africa, the Bali bombings, the rape and destruction in the Sudan, do I need to continue? I think you get my point.

I'm with beeds on this one, good post.






(although I'm not sure that the crisis in the Sudan is about religion, I was under the impression it was about land rights or some agricultural grazing thing...)

[Cianne]

That's your only criteria for concern?

Why don't you look at my quote first.

Oh and wow, that filter sucks to *cussword**cussword**cussword*ociate with :D

[RW13]

Who's idea was it to use that filter thing? I can only guess......

[cocky4ever]

Who's idea was it to use that filter thing? I can only guess......
I dont know but that thing sucks. We were doing great without it and now we are having words taken out of post left and right. I havent seen it used on one cuss word but have seen it take out all kinds of other words. When it was first turned on my screenname was *cussword*cussword*cussword*4ever....

[cocky4ever]

That's your only criteria for concern?

They may leave you alone in line to get your Starbucks, but they may be sending money to someone who is about to nab some US contractor in Iraq. Nick Berg was the cousin of a good friend of mine. It's a smaller world than you think.

Anyway, I'd rather be considered a racial-profiling, right-wing bleeper than be blown up in some pizza place because I thought they were only "over there" somewhere. They're among us, biding their time. We'll either get them, or they'll get us.

Those are the only two possible outcomes.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v354/TerrierLove/paranoid.jpg

[SeattleGamecocks]

I come to that conclusion, not out of any inborn, religious, or predisposed bias, but by observation. Their behavior, not mine, is why I've come to think as I do. I have come to completely distrust all Muslims.
Honest question: do your observations include any personal contact w/ Muslims? I volunteer as a tutor in one of Seattle's poorer neighborhoods. The majority of our kids are Muslim; north & east African refugees. The students and their parents are very grateful and my observations do not lead me to feel that they wish me any ill will as a white American.

[WayzUp]

I dont know but that thing sucks. We were doing great without it and now we are having words taken out of post left and right. I havent seen it used on one cuss word but have seen it take out all kinds of other words. When it was first turned on my screenname was *cussword*cussword*cussword*4ever....My apologies c4e, I don't mean to laugh at you, but that's just plain funny! :D

[cocky4ever]

My apologies c4e, I don't mean to laugh at you, but that's just plain funny! :D
LOL...its like they were making me out to be some rapper!! :eek: :D

[GatorNation]

Why don't you look at my quote first.
I did.

And co-ky, I don't get the "tinfoil" thing. I don't watch the Simpsons, so you'll have to spell it out for me.

[cocky4ever]

I did.

And co-ky, I don't get the "tinfoil" thing. I don't watch the Simpsons, so you'll have to spell it out for me.
Have you ever heard of those people who wear tinfoil hats to keep aliens or govts. from intercepting their brainwaves? Its just a reference to paranoia.

[ColonelKurtz]

Pat Buchanan weighs in, a pretty good read too:

mash here (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48786)

[OmahaBound]

Pat Buchanan weighs in, a pretty good read too:

mash here (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48786)

wow, pat and i don't disagree on everything....but it is a rarity that our views are so in sync. (is it too soon after the death of N'Sync, or can I finally start saying that again?). i disagree with him when he gives them the opening to say that 'maybe their faith is just stronger than modern day Christians' but other than that i couldn't have stated the case better myself.

[GeauxTo]

Pat Buchanan weighs in, a pretty good read too:

mash here (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48786)
Yes, a pretty good read. But Buchanan has serious omissions, mainly centering around the unbounded hate held by Muslims for Israel and Judaism. Provocation over some cartoons?? BS. Just another excuse to slay non-Muslims in the most cowardly ways possible. Real provocation resides and festers in Israel where it has not been mere cartoons that raise ire; it is, rather cowardly suicide bombings, nonstop. And now, blatantly and bold, the Persians (Iranians) flaunt their newfound nuclear potential as a quick-fix for the slowness of the suicide bombers to iradicate the Israelis from existence. And this is where the danger really is. Once provoked to the end of their patience, Israel will launch a holocaust of their own; uncowardly, and thorough.

[BAMAMARINE]

The balls of muslims to demand an apology over the publishing of cartoons in freakin Denmark for god's sake is galling to me. I'm still waiting on an apology for Beiruit, The Kobar towers, Killing 300+ school children in Russia, Nic Berg, Margret Hassan, Daniel Pearl, 9/11, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings in Africa, the Bali bombings, the rape and destruction in the Sudan, do I need to continue? I think you get my point.

This kinda goes along with what Beeds said, I got this in an email from my brother.

"This Letter of Apology"
was written by Lieutenant General Chuck Pitman, US Marine Corps,
Retired:
For good and ill, the Iraqi prisoner abuse mess will remain
an issue. On the one hand, right thinking Americans will abhor
the stupidity of the actions while on the other hand,
political glee will take control and fashion this minor event
into some modern day massacre.


I humbly offer my opinion here:


I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up
arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the
defense of Muslims ( Bosnia , Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait,
etc.).


I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the
extremists came after 9/11.


I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Islamic
Arabs.


I am sorry that most Arabs and Muslims have to live in squalor
under savage dictatorships.


I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.


I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in
their religious schools, mosques, and government-controlled
media.


I am sorry that Yassar Arafat was kicked out of every Arab
country and high-jacked the Palestinian "cause."


I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer
more than a token amount of financial help to those same
Palestinians.


I am sorry that the U.S.A. has to step in and be the biggest
financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the
insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA for all their problems.


I am sorry that our own left wing, our media, and our own
brainwashed masses do not understand any of this (from the
misleading vocal elements of our society like radical
professors, CNN and the NY TIMES).


I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq
out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while
the common folk suffered.


I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of
homicide bombers upon their death.


I am sorry that those same bombers are brainwashed thinking
they will receive 72 virgins in "paradise."


I am sorry that the homicide bombers think pregnant women,
babies, children, the elderly and other noncombatant civilians
are legitimate targets.


I am sorry that our troops die to free more Arabs from the
gang rape rooms and the filling of mass graves of dissidents
of their own making.


I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than
any other group.


I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize
control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.


I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen Daisy cutters on
Fallujah.


I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient
"Holy Site."


I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the
World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint
Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites.


I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the
USS Cole, the embassy bombings, the murders and beheadings of
Nick Berg and Daniel Pearl, etc....etc!


I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium
sized village in Africa.


America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish
those responsible because that is what we do.


We hang out our dirty laundry for the entire world to see. We
move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We
don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are
now demanding an apology.


Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the
news, we were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of
a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically
hurts our cause, but until captured we were trying to kill
these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands
because a few were humiliated?


Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own
people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of
celebrating Fallujahans.


If you want an apology from this American, you're going to
have a long wait! You have a better chance of finding those
seventy-two virgins.


Chuck Pitman


Lieutenant General, USMC





"Those people who will not be governed by God
will be ruled by tyrants."
--William Penn

[RW13]

I agree with Pat on many issues and love the work he does on sunday mornings on the History channel. This issue I agree with him on except where he says to criticize the authors of the cartoons. I agree with freedom of speech and it's not our fault that the islamic culture is sociopathic.....