Who Was REALLY the Best in '05?

[GamecockinIL]

This is not meant to be a flame-throwing contest. There is no question that UGA won the SEC title on the field of play during the year.

BUT......

After the bowl season, I have to say that I think the Boys in the Bayou were definitely the best team in the SEC this year. The whuppin they put on Miami was a thing of beauty. The loss to UT was a heartbreaker. And given the circumstances surrounding their season, I have to give them my vote for the best SEC team of the year.

Way to go LSU! Superb season for you boys!

[WayzUp]

I would have to agree on all points. LSU had it geuxin' on this year, despite all the chaos that had to permeate their pre-season preparations.

[GeauxTo]

Yeah, baby! We're ready to ride and spread the alarm to every middlesect village and farm...

Everyone needs to get it fixed 'cause we're coming strong in 2006!
;)

[Jordan]

Yeah, LSU definitely played the best for the whole year of any team in the SEC. They didn't win the SECCG, but they are the only team who has consistently played like the SEC champs for pretty much the whole season.

I think the SEC West will remain to be the stronger division next year with LSU Bama and Auburn all bringing back pretty strong teams, but the East will not be down for long with UT likely coming back soon and USC on the rise to compete heavily with UF and UGA for that #1 spot.

[azamugg]

Yeah, LSU definitely played the best for the whole year of any team in the SEC. They didn't win the SECCG, but they are the only team who has consistently played like the SEC champs for pretty much the whole season.

I think the SEC West will remain to be the stronger division next year with LSU Bama and Auburn all bringing back pretty strong teams, but the East will not be down for long with UT likely coming back soon and USC on the rise to compete heavily with UF and UGA for that #1 spot.


I think LSU still had something to prove, and fortunately a decent 2nd string QB to help them do that........maybe AU w/the big spread and GA w/the trophy didn't feel the same way but LSU played another Miami team with all of the talent and no discipline.....how many times does the SEC have to spank their arse in the post season before they realize they need to not only eat some wheaties but take some smart pills before the next time they take on a SEC foe

[Djshockley3]

Thats Bull we beat the **** out of LSU. Just because of 1 game you guys think we are not the champs anymore. We won fair and square on the field.

[GamecockinIL]

Very Interesting!! :D

No question that the SEC has some of the most loyal fans of their respective schools in the country. So that being the case, I figured there'd be a lot of people defending their schools performance for the season.

But there hasn't been much disagreement yet. :confused: I have to conclude that most people actually agree that LSU was probably the best team in the SEC this year. When the country's most loyal fan base doesn't offer any dissenting opinions that LSU was #1, that says a lot about the accomplishments of the LSU team in 2005.

I said it before, and I'll say it again....GREAT JOB in 2005 LSU! :)

[Jordan]

Thats Bull we beat the **** out of LSU. Just because of 1 game you guys think we are not the champs anymore. We won fair and square on the field.
I don't think anyone's disagreeing that you guys are the SEC champs this year. My point was just that LSU was the better team over the course of the entire season. UGA winning the championship game is exactly why I would love to see a playoff in college football. A team that many consider the underdog in a game can come out and play one of the best games of their season, and win a championship. On that night, UGA played a better game than LSU.... and fairly and rightly won the SEC Championship this year. But that doesn't mean I think UGA was the better team week in and week out all season, as I think LSU was the stronger team all year.... just not that night.

[SilverBritches]

The best team in the SEC is the team that has the trophy to prove it.

LSU didn't look like champions when they needed a hail mary pass to beat an Arizona State team that almost lost to Rutgers. They didn't look like SEC Champs when they blew a 21-0 (or something like that) lead to a 5-6 Tennessee team. Most important of all, they didn't play like SEC Champs when it mattered the most.

Look, I am not trying to put down LSU. Georgia didn't always look like the best in the SEC either. However, to say they were the best in the SEC when we handed them their @ss when it mattered most is laughable.

The best team in the SEC resides in Athens, GA.

[SilverBritches]

I don't think anyone's disagreeing that you guys are the SEC champs this year. My point was just that LSU was the better team over the course of the entire season. UGA winning the championship game is exactly why I would love to see a playoff in college football. A team that many consider the underdog in a game can come out and play one of the best games of their season, and win a championship. On that night, UGA played a better game than LSU.... and fairly and rightly won the SEC Championship this year. But that doesn't mean I think UGA was the better team week in and week out all season, as I think LSU was the stronger team all year.... just not that night.

The stronger team would have showed up to play when the Championship was on the line.

[AceLeroy]

Georgia was the best team in the SEC this year in my opinion. They won the SEC Title and dominated LSU in the Title game.

LSU had a fine team no doubt, but I cant call them the best in the SEC just because of the whipping they put on Miami. Honestly I think Miami just did not show up to play vs. LSU. No disrespect to LSU , but they didn't get Miami's A game.

[GamecockinIL]

The best team in the SEC is the team that has the trophy to prove it.

Are you suggesting that if a team possesses the conference trophy that it automatically is TRULY the best team in the conference?

[GeauxTo]

The best team in the SEC resides in Athens, GA.
The way the football world works is often unfair. It's not necessarily what you have done, but what have you done lately? These final bowl games get a lot of hype and a lot of attention from everywhere and they are what people remember right now. Consequently, UGA was seen getting tarred and feathered in the first half and unable to pull it out in the second half. LSU was seen as beating the living hell out of Miami from whistle to whistle. The final polls next week will reflect exactly that; wait and see. I do not say it is fair, but it is how things seem to work.
:rolleyes:


but they didn't get Miami's A game.Ace, with your football lineage, you wouldn't know an "A" game if it hit you in the face.
:D

[GamecockinIL]

Ace, with your football lineage, you wouldn't know an "A" game if it hit you in the face. :D

That right there is funny....I actually laughed out loud :cool:

[VOLjlt]

The SEC is one of the toughest conferences in the country. I can't say the toughest, otherwise, we would have gone 6-0 instead of 3-3 in the bowls. This year, WITHIN the conference, UGA proved to be the toughest team. They won the East and put their best on the line against the best of the West. That is what the championship game does. After the SECCG, Miami came in overrated and LSU dominated them. UGA faced a very tough and very good WVU team and I assume the first quarter of the game doesn't reflect the outcome because statistically, it was even at the end - 27 first downs each and 502 yds each. So, if you want to say who was the best in the conference, Georgia was. Out of the conference is a different issue for a different day. The bowl games have nothing to do with best in the conference. If they did, they would be considered conference games. Besides, by the time Jan 1 bowls roll around, teams playing in those have nearly a full month to prepare physically and mentally for the game. Miami wasn't prepared and IMO was highly overrated. WVU came very prepared and was ready for a ball game. Georgia didn't look prepared in the first and second qtr of that game but sounds like they got it back on track for the second half, just not enough to win it. (I had to go to work, that's why I don't know much but the stats about the second half.)

All in all, this year was a good year for SEC football all around because Bama came back and played their best ball in years, SC is starting something good with the Prodigal Coach coming back, Vandy made their best showing in quite some time and we beat up on each other enough to make the records painful for some (see Tenn) and wonderful for others (see the East and West Champs and runners-up). I am looking forward to 2006 and watching some of the best football in the country right here in the SEC. :)

[SilverBritches]

The way the football world works is often unfair. It's not necessarily what you have done, but what have you done lately? These final bowl games get a lot of hype and a lot of attention from everywhere and they are what people remember right now. Consequently, UGA was seen getting tarred and feathered in the first half and unable to pull it out in the second half. LSU was seen as beating the living hell out of Miami from whistle to whistle. The final polls next week will reflect exactly that; wait and see. I do not say it is fair, but it is how things seem to work.
:rolleyes:

The poll voters probably will vote LSU ahead of Georgia because they will remember the bowl games. That is fine with me and I understand it. I can live with it because we proved ourselves on the field.

[SilverBritches]

Are you suggesting that if a team possesses the conference trophy that it automatically is TRULY the best team in the conference?

Yes, I am. How else are you going to prove who is the best? Isn't the whole point of the SEC Championship game to prove fair and square who the best team in the SEC is?

[SilverBritches]

The SEC is one of the toughest conferences in the country. I can't say the toughest, otherwise, we would have gone 6-0 instead of 3-3 in the bowls. This year, WITHIN the conference, UGA proved to be the toughest team. They won the East and put their best on the line against the best of the West. That is what the championship game does. After the SECCG, Miami came in overrated and LSU dominated them. UGA faced a very tough and very good WVU team and I assume the first quarter of the game doesn't reflect the outcome because statistically, it was even at the end - 27 first downs each and 502 yds each. So, if you want to say who was the best in the conference, Georgia was. Out of the conference is a different issue for a different day. The bowl games have nothing to do with best in the conference. If they did, they would be considered conference games. Besides, by the time Jan 1 bowls roll around, teams playing in those have nearly a full month to prepare physically and mentally for the game. Miami wasn't prepared and IMO was highly overrated. WVU came very prepared and was ready for a ball game. Georgia didn't look prepared in the first and second qtr of that game but sounds like they got it back on track for the second half, just not enough to win it. (I had to go to work, that's why I don't know much but the stats about the second half.)


We actually pretty much dominated the whole game except for the first quarter. By the time we realized that West Virginia was for real, it was too late.

[OmahaBound]

LSU clearly comes out of the 2005 season with the best image in my opinion. UGa was clearly the better team on Dec. 2nd (or whenever that game was), but I doubt there will be a single person that puts UGa above LSU on their ballots and that's the way it should be. UGa earned the SEC championship and should be proud....but LSU also earned the respect their getting now and deserve it just as much. I'm sure UGa is happy with their trophy, and I'm sure LSU is happy with the pub and respect it's getting now.

As a completely non-partial participant in this debate, I can honestly say that I won't remember that UGa beat LSU in Dec. ten years from now, but I will remember the beatdown LSU put on Miami.

[SilverBritches]

Here is the only image that I care about. If the better image is winning the Peach Bowl then I don't want to have a better image. This is all I need.

http://www.wrrx.com/images/trey/14.jpg

[GeauxTo]

Here is the only image that I care about. If the better image is winning the Peach Bowl then I don't want to have a better image. This is all I need.
Homerism is a hell of a thing. I guess we all suffer from it to some degree. UGA is a fine team; they are the SEC champions and they won it by whipping LSU from pillar to post. Be proud, but not quite so loud.
:D

[SilverBritches]

Homerism is a hell of a thing. I guess we all suffer from it to some degree. UGA is a fine team; they are the SEC champions and they won it by whipping LSU from pillar to post. Be proud, but not quite so loud.
:D

How is it homerism? Georgia has already proved that they are the best on the field. I guess if USC wins tonight that their fans are homers because they think their team is the best in the country?

[Jordan]

How is it homerism? Georgia has already proved that they are the best on the field. I guess if USC wins tonight that their fans are homers because they think their team is the best in the country?
Well, I've heard and read numerous times this week (from credible writers/analysts) that USC will likely be the winner tonight, but that they feel Texas is the more solid team this year. That's not taking away the fact that USC would be the national champs, just like UGA is the SEC champ.... just saying that the opponent in question has appeared to be more "solid" this year. But when it counted at the end, the championship team found a way to win.

p.s. I in no way am calling your posts "homerish" though, so don't include me in that crowd. :) Like I've said before, UGA is the SEC champ and that's that... but it doesn't mean I think they played as solid the entire season.

[GatorNation]

Georgia.

And they have the trophy to prove it.

:cool:

[AFWarrior83]

Don't count out the Hogs next year!

[Djshockley3]

Georgia.

And they have the trophy to prove it.

:cool:


Finally somebody can say it like it is. :D

[GeauxTo]

How is it homerism? Georgia has already proved that they are the best on the field. I guess if USC wins tonight that their fans are homers because they think their team is the best in the country?
LSU made the SEC proud by putting a whipping on Miami before the nation.
UGA embarrassed the SEC by getting man-handled during the 1st part of the game, before the nation.

You can be proud of winning the SEC CG. You cannot be proud of your bowl showing.
We cannot be proud of our SEC CG showing. We can be proud of our bowl showing.

I've tried to be nice and give you your due. I'm not the one on these threads that said LSU was the best (although I think they are), but I've acknowledged time and again that UGA is the SEC champ. You, however, continue to press and prance it around before people. Face it; you stunk in your last showing. We shined. That's what people are remembering and that's what this is all about. Your fine accomplishment in the SECCG doesn't erase or hide the fact that UGA embarrassed our conference badly; as Auburn did. Alabama, Florida, and LSU made the conference proud. Not UGA.

[GamecockinIL]

Are you suggesting that if a team possesses the conference trophy that it automatically is TRULY the best team in the conference?

Yes, I am. How else are you going to prove who is the best? Isn't the whole point of the SEC Championship game to prove fair and square who the best team in the SEC is?

According to your post then, you are stating that ownership of the conference trophy is automatically the determining factor of the best team in the conference.

Take a look at these standings:

Atlantic Coast Conf
Atlantic
Florida State (22) 5-3 8-4
Boston College (19) 5-3 8-3
Clemson (23) 4-4 7-4
North Carolina State 3-5 6-5
Maryland 3-5 5-6
Wake Forest 3-5 4-7

Coastal
V Tech (12) 7-1 10-2
Miami (FL) (9) 6-2 9-2
Georgia Tech (24) 5-3 7-4
North Carolina 4-4 5-6
Virginia 3-5 6-5
Duke 0-8 1-10

According to your declaration, Florida State is CLEARLY the best team in the ACC because they won the trophy. :eek: I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would agree with you, in spite of their performance in last night's game. My hunch is that even you wouldn't claim FSU to be the best team in their conference this year. But you would HAVE to say that they are because they won the trophy.

Winning the conference trophy is HUGE...I'd take one any day of the week at USC, but there is NO WAY that it means that is the best team in the conference without debate.

LSU will have the higher ranking, and I think rightly so. Still think they were the best team in the conference. I don't think many teams could have played under the circumstances they played under this year and have done as well.

[GatorNation]

According to your declaration, Florida State is CLEARLY the best team in the ACC because they won the trophy. :eek: I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would agree with you, in spite of their performance in last night's game....

free-shoes DID have the best offense in the ACC thsi year, I think. That has to mean something.....

[GeauxTo]

free-shoes DID have the best offense in the ACC thsi year, I think. That has to mean something.....
Later guys; time for a big bowl of Blue Bell chocolate with bananas cut-up on top, and the Texas & what's-their-name game!
:D

[Bulldog Bry]

As a completely non-partial participant in this debate, I can honestly say that I won't remember that UGa beat LSU in Dec. ten years from now, but I will remember the beatdown LSU put on Miami.

Wait until SC wins a SECC and then see if you feel the same way.........We remember bowl games NOW (all offseason), and sure, you'll probably remember LSU beating Miami because it was a total (and sweet) beatdown of a supposed ACC power. But back in conference play, you can bet that LSU will remember that they lost the SECG. And it will motivate them even more.

(boy, that's just scary....)
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[OmahaBound]

Wait until SC wins a SECC and then see if you feel the same way.........We remember bowl games NOW (all offseason), and sure, you'll probably remember LSU beating Miami because it was a total (and sweet) beatdown of a supposed ACC power. But back in conference play, you can bet that LSU will remember that they lost the SECG. And it will motivate them even more.

(boy, that's just scary....)
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of course i will remember the SECC more then, cause I'M A GAMECOCK FAN. (luckily from our season, 10 years from now people will remember us beating the Gators more than losing to Mizzou). you'll certainly remember winning the SECC this year cause you're A BULLDOG FAN.

i'm not trying to diss on Georgia...they are the champions of the conference. i'm just saying the majority of fans won't remember that in the future (frankly i'm just an avg fan at this point....i don't have enough time to keep up with everything like i used to) but they will probably remember lsu putting the beatdown on Miami, who just about everyone hates.

this really doesn't matter to UGa though...who cares if no one remembers you winning the SECC if your recruiting is still solid, which it obviously is. for LSU though this could be huge since a lot of people have questioned Les Miles throughout the year, but any recruit who had doubts about him as a coach most likely doesn't anymore.

[SilverBritches]

LSU made the SEC proud by putting a whipping on Miami before the nation.
UGA embarrassed the SEC by getting man-handled during the 1st part of the game, before the nation.

You can be proud of winning the SEC CG. You cannot be proud of your bowl showing.
We cannot be proud of our SEC CG showing. We can be proud of our bowl showing.

I've tried to be nice and give you your due. I'm not the one on these threads that said LSU was the best (although I think they are), but I've acknowledged time and again that UGA is the SEC champ. You, however, continue to press and prance it around before people. Face it; you stunk in your last showing. We shined. That's what people are remembering and that's what this is all about. Your fine accomplishment in the SECCG doesn't erase or hide the fact that UGA embarrassed our conference badly; as Auburn did. Alabama, Florida, and LSU made the conference proud. Not UGA.

Wow, I have made one post pressing the issue. I have hardly even been arguing with you. The only thing I argued with you about is my post being homerish.

As for embarassing the conference, we could care less what the conference thinks of us. We had one bad quarter because we weren't excited about playing West Virginia and it showed. Not to mention West Virginia has one of the best running games in the country and they came out and proved it.

As a matter of fact, I am DAMN proud of our bowl showing. The way our kids came back from a 28 point defecit and never quit the way Miami and Georgia Tech did. Unfortunately we came up a little short at the end. We aren't going to win them all.

Congrats on your dominance in the Peach Bowl. I was there and it was fun to watch. Hope to see you in early December next season.

[SilverBritches]

According to your post then, you are stating that ownership of the conference trophy is automatically the determining factor of the best team in the conference.

Take a look at these standings:

Atlantic Coast Conf
Atlantic
Florida State (22) 5-3 8-4
Boston College (19) 5-3 8-3
Clemson (23) 4-4 7-4
North Carolina State 3-5 6-5
Maryland 3-5 5-6
Wake Forest 3-5 4-7

Coastal
V Tech (12) 7-1 10-2
Miami (FL) (9) 6-2 9-2
Georgia Tech (24) 5-3 7-4
North Carolina 4-4 5-6
Virginia 3-5 6-5
Duke 0-8 1-10

According to your declaration, Florida State is CLEARLY the best team in the ACC because they won the trophy. :eek: I think you'd be hard pressed to find many people who would agree with you, in spite of their performance in last night's game. My hunch is that even you wouldn't claim FSU to be the best team in their conference this year. But you would HAVE to say that they are because they won the trophy.

Winning the conference trophy is HUGE...I'd take one any day of the week at USC, but there is NO WAY that it means that is the best team in the conference without debate.

LSU will have the higher ranking, and I think rightly so. Still think they were the best team in the conference. I don't think many teams could have played under the circumstances they played under this year and have done as well.

Sure you could say FSU isn't the best but that is just your opinion. FSU won the ACC Championship against the next best team in their conference. They proved they are the best ON THE FIELD. I guess they aren't the best IN YOUR OPINION, but thats just what it is, your opinion.

[Williams-Brice]

Come on. Georgia was definitely the best team in the SEC. They proved it on the field against LSU. They had the best quarterback in the conference, their offensive line was dominant, and they had a stable full of running backs. Their defense definitely recovered well after losing Pollack, Thurman, and Davis. This is what I wonder: If they had held on to beat Auburn, would people think differently about this team? From beginning to end, they had the best team in the SEC, and they have the trophy to prove it.

[GeauxTo]

Well thank you Mr. Williams-Brice...
your expertise, coming as it does, out of the storied football halls of South Carolina have clarified everything for us.
:D

[Williams-Brice]

Thanks for losing to Georiga, making my post possible.

[azamugg]

it is apparent that trophy/banner or not, the best team is subjective, different with each person.........even though most people humbly realize that the Crimson Tide has always been the best and will always be the best, give or take a few low spots :D :D :D :D

[Williams-Brice]

I cannot believe the way Alabama changed once Prothro went down. No one can know how much difference he could have made to the Tide's season, but I would have loved to see how far Alabama could have gone with him on the field. I believe we would have seen a different team playing in Atlanta.

[azamugg]

I cannot believe the way Alabama changed once Prothro went down. No one can know how much difference he could have made to the Tide's season, but I would have loved to see how far Alabama could have gone with him on the field. I believe we would have seen a different team playing in Atlanta.

yea, it kind of took all Bama fans by surprise....he was the guy that screwed defenses up because he took snaps, took handoffs, caught passes, stood up, hand on the ground, etc...the mystery element

by the way what episode of Seinfeld did Kramer make the statement that you have in your signature.....I had to LOL

[Denny Chimes]

I went to every Bama game (home and away) and although we didn't play Jawja, Vandy or Kentucky, I would have to say, hands down, Mississippi State had the best...hotdogs. Mmm good. ;)

Jawja was the best. See the trophy. That's all that matters. The rest of us are moral victors! :(

[Williams-Brice]

by the way what episode of Seinfeld did Kramer make the statement that you have in your signature.....I had to LOL

I cannot remember what episode it is from. I have all of the Seinfeld DVD's through Season 6, and I'm sure it is in there somewhere. I'll let you know as soon as I come across it. I remember having the same reaction you did when I first heard it.

[volimhtown]

This is a pointless argument, but I'll jump in. Look, Georgia was crowned the best in the SEC, and EARNED that position. Period!! Any arguments to the contrary are baseless and simply self-serving.
All of that said, I don't know how one could possibly make ANY argument for LSU. This is not meant to reflect negatively on LSU or to diminish their impressive victory over Miami, but let's get real, Bowls (outside of the NT game) have been diminished to a little more than an exhibition in comparison to the results and ramifications of the regular season. Let me put it another way...on Sept 1st, 2006 will you be thinking about the possibility of earning the SEC Championship trophy, or will you be dreaming of a dominating victory that earns you the Peach Bowl trophy?? Also on Sept 1st, 2006, can you summize a scenario that would make you believe that the '07 Peach Bowl winner will be viewed as a better team than the SEC Champion?? That pretty much clears things up in my opinion. All of this aside, Georgia dominated LSU head-to-head for the championship just 4 weeks ago.
Again, congrats to LSU for their victory over Miami. They looked mighty impressive in the win. BUT, let's not lose perspective!! One game does not a season make!!

[azamugg]

This is a pointless argument, but I'll jump in. Look, Georgia was crowned the best in the SEC, and EARNED that position. Period!! Any arguments to the contrary are baseless and simply self-serving.
All of that said, I don't know how one could possibly make ANY argument for LSU. This is not meant to reflect negatively on LSU or to diminish their impressive victory over Miami, but let's get real, Bowls (outside of the NT game) have been diminished to a little more than an exhibition in comparison to the results and ramifications of the regular season. Let me put it another way...on Sept 1st, 2006 will you be thinking about the possibility of earning the SEC Championship trophy, or will you be dreaming of a dominating victory that earns you the Peach Bowl trophy?? Also on Sept 1st, 2006, can you summize a scenario that would make you believe that the '07 Peach Bowl winner will be viewed as a better team than the SEC Champion?? That pretty much clears things up in my opinion. All of this aside, Georgia dominated LSU head-to-head for the championship just 4 weeks ago.
Again, congrats to LSU for their victory over Miami. They looked mighty impressive in the win. BUT, let's not lose perspective!! One game does not a season make!!


....now now, sit down and have a glass of sweet tea and relax......we feel ya

[GamecockinIL]

Sure you could say FSU isn't the best but that is just your opinion. FSU won the ACC Championship against the next best team in their conference. They proved they are the best ON THE FIELD. I guess they aren't the best IN YOUR OPINION, but thats just what it is, your opinion.


Hey, SB. You're right about thinking that FSU isn't the best team in the ACC is my opinion. It is my opinion. However, it isn't JUST my opinion. It also happens to be the opinion of just about everybody that has a brain and watches football. :D Please review the polls below...

Week 17 AP Top 25
1. Texas (65) 13-0 1,625
2. USC 12-1 1,560
3. Penn State 11-1 1,484
4. Ohio State 10-2 1,428
5. West Virginia 11-1 1,325
6. LSU 11-2 1,314
7. Virginia Tech 11-2 1,197
8. Alabama 10-2 1,081
9. Notre Dame 9-3 1,019
10. Georgia 10-3 994
11. TCU 11-1 937
12. Florida 9-3 817
12. Oregon 10-2 817
14. Auburn 9-3 799
15. Wisconsin 10-3 786
16. UCLA 10-2 778
17. Miami 9-3 589
18. Boston College 9-3 545
19. Louisville 9-3 410
20. Texas Tech 9-3 359
21. Clemson 8-4 339
22. Oklahoma 8-4 329
23. Florida State 8-5 232
24. Nebraska 8-4 128
25. California 8-4 45


Week 17 USA Today Poll
1. Texas (62) 13-0 1,550
2. USC 12-1 1,483
3. Penn State 11-1 1,421
4. Ohio State 10-2 1,357
5. LSU 11-2 1,281
6. West Virginia 11-1 1,235
7. Virginia Tech 11-2 1,176
8. Alabama 10-2 1,066
9. TCU 11-1 914
10. Georgia 10-3 900
11. Notre Dame 9-3 866
12. Oregon 10-2 837
13. UCLA 10-2 774
14. Auburn 9-3 760
15. Wisconsin 10-3 739
16. Florida 9-3 718
17. Boston College 9-3 584
18. Miami 9-3 558
19. Texas Tech 9-3 422
20. Louisville 9-3 342
21. Clemson 8-4 310
22. Oklahoma 8-4 274
23. Florida State 8-5 209
24. Nebraska 8-4 109
25. California 8-4 68

In the "opinions" of just about anybody who knows anything about football, FSU (who won their conference by the way...and therefore, according to your logic, is the best team in the conference) has...

NOT 1....
NOT 2...
NOT 3...
BUT 4....COUNT 'EM....4

teams in their OWN conference ranked ahead of them. Now I ask you..How can that be? They won their conference championship on the field, fair and square. How can so many people be so blind? How could so many people have missed it? It's painfully obvious that four other teams are pretending to be better than FSU and every one else has fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. :eek:

So many people to straighten out. So many people to educate on the reality of who is the best team in a conference and how that is decided. You will be a busy man during the offseason. You have your work cut out for you, but when the mission is right, it must be done. :D

SB...don't get me wrong. GA is an excellent team. They did in fact win the SECCG. And they earned it. It wasn't handed to them. I'm just saying your logic is messed up. There is no way that means they are automatically the best team in the conference. Ask everyone who's the best in the ACC, you'll get FSU only from people living in the Tallahassee zip code.

For my money, LSU was clearly the best team overall in 2005 when it was all said and done.

[GatorNation]

Hey, SB. You're right about thinking that FSU isn't the best team in the ACC is my opinion. It is my opinion. However, it isn't JUST my opinion. It also happens to be the opinion of just about everybody that has a brain and watches football. :D Please review the polls below...

Wait a minute. F$U had the #1 offense in the ACC, beat scUM in week one, beat VT in the ACC title game, and beat BC. Clemson is the only ACC team that beat free-shoes and ended up above them in the polls.

Polls are subjective and often inexplicable. I forgot which poll it is, but one poll has Auburn over Wisconsin. So, is the poll a general talent/superiority thing or is it supposed to reflect the outcome of head-to-head matchups?

[SilverBritches]

SB...don't get me wrong. GA is an excellent team. They did in fact win the SECCG. And they earned it. It wasn't handed to them. I'm just saying your logic is messed up. There is no way that means they are automatically the best team in the conference. Ask everyone who's the best in the ACC, you'll get FSU only from people living in the Tallahassee zip code.

For my money, LSU was clearly the best team overall in 2005 when it was all said and done.

My logic is messed up because I base my opinion off the actual game that was played, yet you base yours off some dumb@ss poll voters who don't watch any games of 3/4 the teams they vote on?

I don't care about FSU, but did you watch the Orange Bowl? They took the #3 team in the country into 3 OTs and they would of won if they had a kicker.

Also, please tell me how Virginia Tech is better than FSU when FSU beat them 4 weeks ago?

[SilverBritches]

I have a question for everyone that believes LSU is better than Georgia.

I am guessing you are basing that off of bowl performances. When I ask you how can LSU be better than Georgia when Georgia beat them by 3 TDs 4 weeks ago I am guessing you are going to say that LSU didn't show up. Well in that case, how do you know that Miami just "didn't show up" when they played LSU? How do you know that Georgia "just didn't show up" to play West Virginia?

I am not trying to start anything I would just like to know.

[fernandomike]

It doesn't make one bit of difference who we think is best in the conference. That particular claim doesn't come with any hardware. UGA won the conference. They blasted LSU when everything was on the line. Any claim that the Tigers are clearly better is ridiculous. The Dawgs won the title. That's what matters.

[AceLeroy]

Ace, with your football lineage, you wouldn't know an "A" game if it hit you in the face.
:D

One does not have to be a fan of a great team to know what a great team is.

I am not a veterinarian either , but I do recognize horse $h!t when I smell it.

I can't believe you threw a cheap shot at me bro. I was pulling for LSU in the Title game , I just have to be honest and tell it like it is concerning who the best team in the SEC was.

I owe you. ;)

[GeauxTo]

It doesn't make one bit of difference who we think is best in the conference. That particular claim doesn't come with any hardware. UGA won the conference. They blasted LSU when everything was on the line. Any claim that the Tigers are clearly better is ridiculous. The Dawgs won the title. That's what matters.
Guess that about does it, then. Thanks, Ferdinand, we needed clarity. Now we can all look forward to next year. LSU was 11-2 (losses to guess who), so we'll be looking to improve. (Hope there are no hurricanes in store for any of us.)
This is the one you'll want to see:
Sat, Nov 04 Tennessee at Knoxville, Tenn. (Neyland Stadium)
:D

[GeauxTo]

One does not have to be a fan of a great team to know what a great team is.

I am not a veterinarian either , but I do recognize horse $h!t when I smell it.

I can't believe you threw a cheap shot at me bro. I was pulling for LSU in the Title game , I just have to be honest and tell it like it is concerning who the best team in the SEC was.

I owe you. ;)
Great comeback! You got me!
:D

[AceLeroy]

Great comeback! You got me!
:D

All in good fun. Call it even????? :cool:

[VOLjlt]

Guess that about does it, then. Thanks, Ferdinand, we needed clarity. Now we can all look forward to next year. LSU was 11-2 (losses to guess who), so we'll be looking to improve. (Hope there are no hurricanes in store for any of us.)
This is the one you'll want to see:
Sat, Nov 04 Tennessee at Knoxville, Tenn. (Neyland Stadium)
:D


I sure hope I get to be at this game. If circumstances permit, I could have 45 yd line seats 25 rows up for this one. (Thanks to the in-laws) And I hope UT is a better team offensively and defensively next year. I know the Tiggers want revenge (I meant the spelling that way) and they'll be hungry for it. It will be a great game indeed.

[GeauxTo]

All in good fun. Call it even????? :cool:
Absolutely! Great fun, and call it even.
I really love all of the teams in the SEC (when we're not playing them, that is), and I have a particular fondness for the State of Mississippi (I am a delta blues aficionado) and its two SEC universities.
:)

[GeauxTo]

I sure hope I get to be at this game. If circumstances permit, I could have 45 yd line seats 25 rows up for this one. (Thanks to the in-laws) And I hope UT is a better team offensively and defensively next year. I know the Tiggers want revenge (I meant the spelling that way) and they'll be hungry for it. It will be a great game indeed.
Knoxville is one of the places I've never been to a game. I sure hope we can manage to get to this one. It would be a great trip, I'm sure.

[supergenius]

Knoxville is one of the places I've never been to a game. I sure hope we can manage to get to this one. It would be a great trip, I'm sure.
Geaux, if you make it to the Tenn. game, be prepared to walk uphill everywhere you go. I mean both ways as well! RTR

[azamugg]

My logic is messed up because I base my opinion off the actual game that was played, yet you base yours off some dumb@ss poll voters who don't watch any games of 3/4 the teams they vote on?

I don't care about FSU, but did you watch the Orange Bowl? They took the #3 team in the country into 3 OTs and they would of won if they had a kicker.

Also, please tell me how Virginia Tech is better than FSU when FSU beat them 4 weeks ago?

I love fan passion because mine argument would be the same if it were Alabama winning the SECC but I look at this argument and parallel it to a beauty contest......sure a particular women wins the crown but alot of times I've thought the winner was not as pretty or talented as some of the other women.........football is a contest that has championships to determine winners and that champion was better on a given nite but to others might not seem to be the better ....in other words would Georgia win the majority of ten games if LSA and GA were to play ten times? frankly its all moot

[blues_cap]

i thought the mantra was, "settle it on the field." this argument has been settled and we still arent satisfied with the outcome. im not so sure a playoff is a good idea now. ;)

[azamugg]

i thought the mantra was, "settle it on the field." this argument has been settled and we still arent satisfied with the outcome. im not so sure a playoff is a good idea now. ;)

well I think conference championships are more legitimate than national championships now, somewhat because they are determined on the field and the only way to get there would be to have the best record where the Nat'l championship to get there relies on pollsters.......but then again to have the best conference record could also mean a team had a more favorable route to get there meaning played certain teams at home vs away and not having had to play certain teams at all...............frankly we need to resurrect Einstien to get some help with all of this! :confused:

[blues_cap]

"well I think conference championships are more legitimate than national championships now, somewhat because they are determined on the field and the only way to get there would be to have the best record where the Nat'l championship to get there requires on pollsters."

this was my point exactly. these 2 teams have already played and we still cant accept the outcome. i know there are exceptions, but i would find it hard to argue that lsu was the better team when they lost on the field. it has already been "settled on the field."

[AceLeroy]

i thought the mantra was, "settle it on the field." this argument has been settled and we still arent satisfied with the outcome. im not so sure a playoff is a good idea now. ;)

I love it when someone comes in and makes a post that makes so much common sense that it just trumps all of the other posts in a thread.

Blues cap did exactly that.

Really , he makes an exellent point. He just threw down the big Joker , pulled a royal flush , hit the trifecta , got a first round knockout , completed a hail mary , hit the bulls eye , pitched a shutout , lapped the field , hit for the cycle , rolled a 7 , hit a 3 pointer at the buzzer and won the triple crown.............but I digress , you get the point.

Like he said , fans everwhere scream for the football National Title to be "settled on the field" . Then in a situation like the SEC title game where the championship IS decided on the field , we have people arguing that the ACTUAL best team is the one who ..( I can't type this loudly enough ) LOST BY 20 , YES 20 POINTS TO THE SEC CHAMPION.

How much MORE settled on the field can a 20 point win be???? If LSU can lose to UGA by 20 and now claim to be a better team , then I as an MSU fan claim that MSU is better than both UGA and Bama , since we only lost to them by 13 and 17. That is as logical as this argument is.

That brings me to this......HOw do we decide who IS the best team? What makes a team considered good?......Winning??? ISn't that the measuring stick????

ISn't the goal of every team to win as much as possible??? Sounds simple , but I think it gets lost sometimes. A team loses and a bunch of fans say " I still think they are the best team." Best at what???? Obviously not at winning , or they would have won right???? You can be the best at running the ball , the best on offense or the best on defense and it doesn't matter if you aren't the best at outscoring the other team and winning games.

I love MSU , always have and always will. LSU is my second favorite team in the SEC ( gotta love anyone who hates Ole Miss ) , but again I have to be honest. LSU proved that they were better than Miami in their bowl game , THAT DAY. The same way that UGA PROVED that they were better than LSU in the SEC title game THAT DAY.

It was fair and honest , ......and Georgia PROVED ON THE FIELD , that they were the best team in the SEC this year.

If you argue with that , then you shouldn't be calling for a playoff in Div-1 football , you will probably not agree with the results even if they played it off.

[crimsonnation713]

did Georgia win the SEC Championship game????.....then they are SEC Champs....period...end of story and wait til next year .....RTR !!!!!!

"thats just my opinion...I could be wrong"
- Dennis Miller -

[sportsgirl]

I gotta go with Georgia here. The question was not, "Who is the best SEC team AND played the best in their bowl game?"

Speaking of best SEC teams, let's not discount Miss Johnson and her team of Girl Scout Powder Puffs. I hear they put a real whipping on my beloved Vols in some practice games. Maybe the girls will teach them a thing or two during summer training!

[bbqit]

I agree with Ole Ace. GA won it. The SEC Championship is a one and done playoff. If that were the case in the NFL the Colts would be ready to play Seahawks. Again, GA won it. They are considered the best in the SEC. As for playoffs, leave that to the NFL. It takes away from the regular season where every game became a playoff game. Your team will need to be as good in sept as dec to be called Champ! This year GA is Champ.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

The final SEC game of each season is called the SEC CHAMPIONSHIP game for a reason. If you win that game, you have bragging rights that you are the best in the SEC until someone takes that crown away from you. It takes two very good teams, one from the West and one from the East, to make it to the SECC Game. The winner IS the best in the SEC. :cool:

[GamecockinIL]

We seem to be getting more traffic on this thread, and since this was the first thread I started, I didn't know how to do a poll. But I've figured it out now, and thought I would add it to check the temperature.

Let the voting begin. :D

[bbqit]

as of my vote, it is tied. GA

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

We seem to be getting more traffic on this thread, and since this was the first thread I started, I didn't know how to do a poll. But I've figured it out now, and thought I would add it to check the temperature.

Let the voting begin. :D
Where is SC? :D

[GamecockinIL]

Where is SC? :D

I ALMOST put them in there, but I knew we would win the vote, :cool: so I didn't.

[GamecockinIL]

CAST YOUR VOTE NOW

Hey guys! I posted the poll late in the thread, but we have a split decision so far... :eek:

50% LSU
50% UGA

Throw your vote in the ballot box :D

[ColonelKurtz]

Hardware whoops mouthware or postware ANYTIME!

The UNDISPUTED SEC CHAMPIONS, THE UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA BULLDOGS, won it ON THE FIELD.

End of discussion.

[GamecockinIL]

Hardware whoops mouthware or postware ANYTIME!

The UNDISPUTED SEC CHAMPIONS, THE UNIVERSITY OF GEORGIA BULLDOGS, won it ON THE FIELD.

End of discussion.

True....but it still doesn't mean they were the best, although it does mean they were the best on the day that they played LSU. Let 'em line up 10 times and I'll take the BoyzfromtheBayou to win the percentage battle. I'd also take 'em to win straight up if they lined up and kicked it off today.

[fernandomike]

True....but it still doesn't mean they were the best, although it does mean they were the best on the day that they played LSU. Let 'em line up 10 times and I'll take the BoyzfromtheBayou to win the percentage battle. I'd also take 'em to win straight up if they lined up and kicked it off today.

Yes, and you probably would have taken them straight up when they got creamed in Atlanta. Even though I don't agree that LSU is the best, sometimes the best team in the league does not win the title. It seems that we have come all this way to arrive at that conclusion. The real question is, why does it matter? When two teams play, one wins. To that victor, go the spoils. The spoils are the championship trophy, rings, and their claim as best in the league. You may not see it that way, but it really is all about the hardware, not some speculation as to what would happen if they met again.

[ColonelKurtz]

True....but it still doesn't mean they were the best, although it does mean they were the best on the day that they played LSU. Let 'em line up 10 times and I'll take the BoyzfromtheBayou to win the percentage battle. I'd also take 'em to win straight up if they lined up and kicked it off today.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, the FACTS son, just the FACTS! The Dawgs monkey stomped LSU the last two meetings....FACT!

Was LSU really 37 points better than Miami? They were THAT day, was Miami 20 points better than VT on 11/5 yet 4 points worse than GT two weeks later???? So in your view, LSU would then defeat VT by 57 points.....

Maybe you can get on your Playstation and live out that fantasy of yours....

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda, the FACTS son, just the FACTS! The Dawgs monkey stomped LSU the last two meetings....FACT!

Was LSU really 37 points better than Miami? They were THAT day, was Miami 20 points better than VT on 11/5 yet 4 points worse than GT two weeks later???? So in your view, LSU would then defeat VT by 57 points.....

Maybe you can get on your Playstation and live out that fantasy of yours....
Colonel, I believe you need to contact Coach Richt and tell him that a terrible mistake has been made, and that he needs to Fed Ex the SEC trophy to Coach Miles and the LSU Tigers ASAP. Georgia was not really the SEC champion this year, but LSU was, since several of the folks on SECTalk have determined that winning on the field don't mean diddly. :rolleyes:

[ColonelKurtz]

Colonel, I believe you need to contact Coach Richt and tell him that a terrible mistake has been made, and that he needs to Fed Ex the SEC trophy to Coach Miles and the LSU Tigers ASAP. Georgia was not really the SEC champion this year, but LSU was, since several of the folks on SECTalk have determined that winning on the field don't mean diddly. :rolleyes:

GAMECOCK_FAN, I'll get right on that immediately after I'm finished with celebrating the South's winning of the War Between The States, Kenneth finding the frequency, and all the King's horses putting Humpty Dumpty back together again. :D

[Wincrimson]

Point blank

There isn't a clear #1 in the SEC. Bama has shown their stuff at times, Allbarn can be a damn good squad when they decide to show up, UGA ditto what I said about AU, LSU is solid... UGag may have won the title game, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are the "best" team in the league.

[blues_cap]

Point blank

There isn't a clear #1 in the SEC. Bama has shown their stuff at times, Allbarn can be a damn good squad when they decide to show up, UGA ditto what I said about AU, LSU is solid... UGag may have won the title game, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are the "best" team in the league.

when all other variables remain constant(the teams you posted above, teams that have and have not shown up), how would you conclude that any other team than georgia be the best? they won what every other like team plays for, the conference championship.

it sucks, i know. you cant argue the facts. nobody took the title all year long, so it is georgia's for a year.

we got next.

[Wincrimson]

Oh I'm not saying that Ugag isn't the legit champ, I'm just saying that I think that there are 2 or 3 SEC teams that can be "the best team in the conference" on a given day.

[ColonelKurtz]

Oh I'm not saying that Ugag isn't the legit champ, I'm just saying that I think that there are 2 or 3 SEC teams that can be "the best team in the conference" on a given day.

....and which follows that on any given day any random number of absolutely skag nasty ugly women with circles on them from 10 foot poles will be found attractive by a like random number of the 2 Billion males who are desparate for Love....

Hardware ALWAYS whips mouthware. Love conquers all. :D

[Wincrimson]

....and which follows that on any given day any random number of absolutely skag nasty ugly women with circles on them from 10 foot poles will be found attractive by a like random number of the 2 Billion males who are desparate for Love....

Hardware ALWAYS whips mouthware. Love conquers all. :D

LOL classic line http://www.crimsontusks.com/images/smiles/icon_salut.gif

[SilverBritches]

True....but it still doesn't mean they were the best, although it does mean they were the best on the day that they played LSU. Let 'em line up 10 times and I'll take the BoyzfromtheBayou to win the percentage battle. I'd also take 'em to win straight up if they lined up and kicked it off today.

You are right. Let's get rid of the SEC Championship. Let's play 10 games in 10 staright days and whoever wins the most out of 10 is the SEC Champ. :rolleyes:

[GamecockinIL]

You are right. Let's get rid of the SEC Championship. Let's play 10 games in 10 staright days and whoever wins the most out of 10 is the SEC Champ. :rolleyes:

Sounds good to me, unless of course the Cocks are in the SECCG and win, in which case, all allegations and claims made in this thread are null and void. :D

[azamugg]

Sounds good to me, unless of course the Cocks are in the SECCG and win, in which case, all allegations and claims made in this thread are null and void. :D

you see SilverBritches, when it comes down to it some of us just argue for the fun of it......we know yall are the galldarn champions you sunovabeech

[OmahaBound]

You are right. Let's get rid of the SEC Championship. Let's play 10 games in 10 staright days and whoever wins the most out of 10 is the SEC Champ. :rolleyes:

now that would be hardcore....i would love to see how that would work out....good idea silver! hehe

[GamecockinIL]

Guys....

By the slimmest of margins, it appears LSU is the SEC's best team in '05 according to the members of this here board.

Congrats to UGA for a great season that just happened to end poorly. And huge props to an LSU team that overcame huge obstacles this season and closed with one of the best thumpin's of the Miami Convicts.

[fernandomike]

Guys....

By the slimmest of margins, it appears LSU is the SEC's best team in '05 according to the members of this here board.

Congrats to UGA for a great season that just happened to end poorly. And huge props to an LSU team that overcame huge obstacles this season and closed with one of the best thumpin's of the Miami Convicts.

GameCockinIL, can you start up another silly, irrelevant thread so that this one may be allowed to die a natural death? :D

[Bulldog Bry]

Holy crap, are you guys STILL arguing about this? Let it go, folks, let it go.....


(natural death of irrelevant thread... begin NOW)