Alex Smith

[IH8Orange]

CUM sure does know how to coach them QB's eh? Look how successful Alex Smith is right now in the NFL. Horrible performance today.

TD/INT: 0/9

Tebow might be a force to be reckoned with after going through CUM's offense :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


:rolleyes:

[GatorNation]

CUM sure does know how to coach them QB's eh? Look how successful Alex Smith is right now in the NFL. Horrible performance today.

TD/INT: 0/9

Tebow might be a force to be reckoned with after going through CUM's offense :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


:rolleyes:

Nice analysis. SanFran is the worst team in the NFL with no RBs, no WRs, no OL.....what do you expect from a rookie? Manning (as did others) stunk up the joint his first year. QB success in college doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL.....just ask Carson Palmer, Wuerffel, Matthews, etc.

If Smith stinks and he overachieved at Utah, then Meyer should be credited with a great job in taking a talentless hack to the Heisman finals and the first ever BCS bowl (and win) by a non-BCS team.

[IH8Orange]

Nice analysis. SanFran is the worst team in the NFL with no RBs, no WRs, no OL.....what do you expect from a rookie? Manning (as did others) stunk up the joint his first year. QB success in college doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL.....just ask Carson Palmer, Wuerffel, Matthews, etc.

If Smith stinks and he overachieved at Utah, then Meyer should be credited with a great job in taking a talentless hack to the Heisman finals and the first ever BCS bowl (and win) by a non-BCS team.

I'm just trying to start some $hit man, haha. I know I know I know. Just thought he stats were funny. Easy target.

But come on man...ZERO TD's?!?!

[GatorNation]

I'm just trying to start some $hit man, haha. I know I know I know. Just thought he stats were funny. Easy target.

Oh, ok. Mission accomplished....lol.

:D

[Djshockley3]

Nice analysis. SanFran is the worst team in the NFL with no RBs, no WRs, no OL.....what do you expect from a rookie? Manning (as did others) stunk up the joint his first year. QB success in college doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL.....just ask Carson Palmer, Wuerffel, Matthews, etc.

If Smith stinks and he overachieved at Utah, then Meyer should be credited with a great job in taking a talentless hack to the Heisman finals and the first ever BCS bowl (and win) by a non-BCS team.



Carson Palmer is one of the best QB's in the NFL.

[GatorNation]

Carson Palmer is one of the best QB's in the NFL.

Yeah, and it only took him how many years....?

Give Smith some time to grow and get a team around himself.

[IH8Orange]

Yeah, and it only took him how many years....?

Give Smith some time to grow and get a team around himself.

I agree that he needs time. Every newcomer deserves time for them to adapt and adjust to the brand new style of play. No argument there. But how much time? I am not saying he is a failure, that question doesn't even neccessarily apply to him. How much time should a first round QB get to prove themselves? I just find it very questionable that he has not even had a touchdown pass yet, but NINE INT's.

[GatorNation]

I agree that he needs time. Every newcomer deserves time for them to adapt and adjust to the brand new style of play. No argument there. But how much time? I am not saying he is a failure, that question doesn't even neccessarily apply to him. How much time should a first round QB get to prove themselves? I just find it very questionable that he has not even had a touchdown pass yet, but NINE INT's.

Well, without a running game, Ds are going to just pin their ears back and go after him.....and with no OL, that doesn't give you much time to find an open WR when, by some miracle, a SanFran WR gets open.

If they don't take Leinart, then hopefully Bush will come in a give them a running game.

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

I guess this is the only thing Urban can match Steve Spurrier in!!!! :cool:

[IH8Orange]

Well, without a running game, Ds are going to just pin their ears back and go after him.....and with no OL, that doesn't give you much time to find an open WR when, by some miracle, a SanFran WR gets open.

If they don't take Leinart, then hopefully Bush will come in a give them a running game.

This is the year I wish my Panthers were the bottom feeders :D
Bush would be a FANTASTIC addition.

[GatorNation]

I guess this is the only thing Urban can match Steve Spurrier in!!!! :cool:

hahaha.....

Better hurry up and sign some players!

;)

[GatorHunter]

I guess this is the only thing Urban can match Steve Spurrier in!!!! :cool:

Yea...maybe he can match SOS in recruiting... :D

Of course...maybe it isn't the seller but the product! ;)

[scfan5338]

Nice analysis. SanFran is the worst team in the NFL with no RBs, no WRs, no OL.....what do you expect from a rookie? Manning (as did others) stunk up the joint his first year. QB success in college doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL.....just ask Carson Palmer, Wuerffel, Matthews, etc.

If Smith stinks and he overachieved at Utah, then Meyer should be credited with a great job in taking a talentless hack to the Heisman finals and the first ever BCS bowl (and win) by a non-BCS team.



Actually he has pretty decent WR. Brandon Llyod isnt a bad WR. Alex Smith seems to have a problem gripping the ball or something like that. When he tries to throw a ball deep it goes straight up. They were saying something about it on ESPN, and there was something wrong with the ball and what not. Alex Smith is going to be a good QB in the years to come. Get him a decent RB, and some OL and he will be good.

[WayzUp]

Nice analysis. SanFran is the worst team in the NFL with no RBs, no WRs, no OL.....what do you expect from a rookie? Manning (as did others) stunk up the joint his first year. QB success in college doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL.....just ask Carson Palmer, Wuerffel, Matthews, etc.

If Smith stinks and he overachieved at Utah, then Meyer should be credited with a great job in taking a talentless hack to the Heisman finals and the first ever BCS bowl (and win) by a non-BCS team.
Carson Palmer is the best quarterback in the NFL who's name doesn't start with Peyton. But I agree that SF has next to nothing in terms of talent at other skill positions and their O-line is about as good as Detroit's so Smith had little to work with from the jump. I'll hold off judgement until the 49ers get their shtuff together but I don't know that any of the better QB's have ever looked as bad as Alex Smith has this year.

The kid is being overwhelmed and looks terrified out there. He may improve (he can't get any worse) but I don't see any real signs of hope in his play so far...even those you named GN, had sparks of good play in their struggling years. Alex Smith has had nothing but low-lights to look back on in his rookie campaign.....Kyle Orton is out-playing him on a team with arguably as bad or worse a supporting cast.

[uscrebel]

Yeah, and it only took him how many years....?

Give Smith some time to grow and get a team around himself.

Actually, only one year. He played in absolutely no games in 2003. He started 13 games in 2004, completed 263 of 432 passes for 60.9% and a 77.3 QB rating. The Bungles had been so-so team under Lewis in 2003 and were starting 2004 the same way. In week four, Lewis announced that Palmer would start. Since that time the Bengals are 18-9, including a 45-37 loss to Indianapolis in a game that had 943 yards of total offense ( 492 for Cinci and 451 for Indy).

This year he is third in passing and second in QB rating behind Peyton.

I realize that having the components in place is an important piece of the puzzle, but remember that the QB is also a "component." The Bengals are not greatly changed from the day that Carson started his first game. The difference is that with him at the helm, the other components are working better.

Ultimately, the argument falls this way. If Alex Smith was better at Utah than he is in the pros, then Meyer is not good at developing QB's. He is simply good at getting them to perform in his system. Being good at developing QB's would translate to that QB moving on to the next level and succeeding.

Archie played with some very bad teams...perhaps among the worst in the annals of NFL history, but he never looked inept. I am willing to reserve judgement on Smith for another year, but the kid looks pretty bad at this point.

[RW13]

I hate SoCal with a passion that is hard to describe, but I'd take Palmer over smith any day....

[uscrebel]

I hate SoCal with a passion that is hard to describe, but I'd take Palmer over smith any day....


Hmmmm... I know there's a compliment for Carson buried in there somewhere.
:)

[supergenius]

Hmmmm... I know there's a compliment for Carson buried in there somewhere.
:)
Carson Palmer is a complete quarterback. If the Bengals had another playmaker or 2 on defense, they would be a championship squad. RTR

[GatorNation]

Ultimately, the argument falls this way. If Alex Smith was better at Utah than he is in the pros, then Meyer is not good at developing QB's. He is simply good at getting them to perform in his system. Being good at developing QB's would translate to that QB moving on to the next level and succeeding.

Archie played with some very bad teams...perhaps among the worst in the annals of NFL history, but he never looked inept. I am willing to reserve judgement on Smith for another year, but the kid looks pretty bad at this point.

Not necessarily. As I said, Spurrier's QBs haven't done well in the NFL either.....and Matthews even had the ol' ball coach on the sideline. So, your argument, which actually makes a lot of sense, can be made for Spurrier and his system, too....and probably a lot of other coaches and programs (not named BYU or scUM) fit that category.

Imo, there are too many variables--both system-related and individual to the athlete--to make a definitive correlation between success in college and a successful NFL career. The NFL graveyard is filled with QBs who were fantastic in college but couldn't cut it in the pros (e.g., Leaf), and, likewise, there were also marginally talented college QBs who turned out to be great QBs in the NFL (e.g., 6th-round Brady). In the end of the day, there are many other reasons why Smith may not become the next great NFL QB. There's simply no bijective correlation between college coaching and success--or even potential--at the next level. And that doesn't even begin to take into account other positions on the field (e.g., Jerry Rice, etc.).

And if Smith turns out to be a horrible player, then Meyer looks even better, imo. He will have taken a "nobody" athlete, who was some one-star athlete and third-string bench-warmer on a 5-6 Utah squad (how bad do you have to be in THAT situation???), and maximized whatever talent he did have at his disposal, on the way to being a Heisman finalist and a high draft pick (I'll downplay the "#1" thing because he wouldn't have gone #1 if Leinart left early).

Look at McNabb at Syacuse.....he was great then and IS a great QB now, but that didn't/doesn't mean Pasquiloni (sp?) was a great HC or some mastermind developer of quarterbacks. In fact, he was fired because the Orangemen continually "stunk up the joint."

[uscrebel]

Not necessarily. As I said, Spurrier's QBs haven't done well in the NFL either.....and Matthews even had the ol' ball coach on the sideline. So, your argument, which actually makes a lot of sense, can be made for Spurrier and his system, too....and probably a lot of other coaches and programs (not named BYU or scUM) fit that category.


I have made this statement here several times before. Spurriers QB's who put up gaudy numbers in the college ranks were generally busts at the professional level. In fact, Spurrier hung out in the pros for a few years and never had a great season himself.

I think we probably agree that great quarterbacks are great despite their coaches and systems. Peyton never could do what TeeMartin did in the college ranks...beat Florida, but TeeMartin never got out of Europe as far as I know.

I also concur that there are far too many variables in the transition between college and pro.

Finally, I also agree that alumni of progams that turn out great college QB's seem amazingly absent in the pro ranks.

[GatorHunter]

As a college sports fan, I could honestly care less how a player does once he gets to the Pros. Sure, I wish former Gator players the best and even attempted to watch the Redskins when SOS was there...but as far as "following" them...I have no interest. I loath the NBA and NFL...the players are so "me" oriented, it makes me sick. I do watch MLB...but only on occasion. Point is, who cares? Wuerffel was one of the best college football QBs of all time....he won the "SuperBowl" in the European Football League...but stunk in the NFL...does that make him a failure, I don't think so.

[uscrebel]

As a college sports fan, I could honestly care less how a player does once he gets to the Pros. Sure, I wish former Gator players the best and even attempted to watch the Redskins when SOS was there...but as far as "following" them...I have no interest. I loath the NBA and NFL...the players are so "me" oriented, it makes me sick. I do watch MLB...but only on occasion. Point is, who cares? Wuerffel was one of the best college football QBs of all time....he won the "SuperBowl" in the European Football League...but stunk in the NFL...does that make him a failure, I don't think so.

GH....

Can't say that I disagree a lot with your sentiments. I watch the NBA simply because I like basketball, but I much prefer NCAA ball. One intriguing aspect of the NBA is the ascension of International players. They have been taught a older version of team-oriented ball. They are less likely to slam, they can shoot from the perimeter, and they are patient in breaking down a defense.

I simply abhor MLB and can't for the life of me figure out why those guys make the money that they do. Again, another intriguing change over the last decade is the upward movement of Division One college programs as "farm teams" for the majors. Thirty years ago, if you were good, you didn't dare pass up a pro contract right out of high school. As the USCal, UTA, and LSU programs began to pump players directly onto MLB rosters without the apprenticeship of the minor leagues, more and more really good talent began going to Division One Schools. These days, playing for an SEC...almost any SEC team...is considered a great meal ticket to the MLB teams. Still, I like the college game better than the professional game...can't stand the metal bat, though.

As to the difference between college and professional football, I think the biggest issue for me is that of surprise. By week three of the NFL season, only the biggest morons are unable to pick the winners. You may find the occasional upset (SD vs. INDY) or the random team that falters out of the gate (the Pats) only to recover and win their division, but generally speaking it is a fairly predictable, robotic game...no heart.

Any argument that I made about guys making it in the pros had to do with "developing quarterbacks." Saying that a coach is good at making a guy successful in his system is much different than saying he is developing talent. Spurrier was very good at using talent and he was seen as arrogant for platooning QB's to prove it was his system, not the players' talent.

For the record, I think one can only be accused of arrogance if they cannot back up their sh!t. Spurrier always has at the collegiate level. in my bookd his is accomplished, not arrogant.