This has Fulmer written all over it!!!!

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

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Spurrier hasn't worked any miracles at South Carolina
Tom Dienhart
The Sporting News
December 7, 2005

I was talking to a head coach of an SEC team recently about South Carolina. And he reaffirmed what I had thought: Too much is being made of the Gamecocks' success this season.
"South Carolina won one more game than it did last year," the coach said.
There was a long pause after he said that. I could tell he had more he wanted to say.
"I don't know," he continued. "They have good players. They had them last year; they have them this year. That's what I'm saying. I don't think there's a whole big difference, to tell you the truth."
Hmmm. I think we all know what this coach was alluding to: The Steve Spurrier Factor.
If you remember, South Carolina went 6-5 last year, 4-4 in SEC play. This year, the Gamecocks went 7-4, 5-3 in SEC action. That's a one-victory improvement on each front. But if you believe everything you've read about Spurrier's work this fall, you'd think he had taken over Louisiana-Lafayette and led it to the Orange Bowl.
And just who did South Carolina beat this year? Take a look: Central Florida, Troy, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Arkansas and Florida. I count two bowl teams. And one of those is UCF. Tennessee had its worst team since 1988. You can draw your own conclusions. I think the evidence speaks for itself.
"If you look at some of the games they won, they were very fortunate," the SEC coach said. So, please, Spurrier fans, take off that visor, remove those wraparound sunglasses and look in the mirror: Yes, Spurrier has done a good job in 2005. But he didn't work miracles. That won't happen until he leads South Carolina to an SEC East title.

This has Fulmer written all over it, still pissed that Spurrier owns his a*s yet again!!!! :p

[scfan5338]

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Spurrier hasn't worked any miracles at South Carolina
Tom Dienhart
The Sporting News
December 7, 2005

I was talking to a head coach of an SEC team recently about South Carolina. And he reaffirmed what I had thought: Too much is being made of the Gamecocks' success this season.
"South Carolina won one more game than it did last year," the coach said.
There was a long pause after he said that. I could tell he had more he wanted to say.
"I don't know," he continued. "They have good players. They had them last year; they have them this year. That's what I'm saying. I don't think there's a whole big difference, to tell you the truth."
Hmmm. I think we all know what this coach was alluding to: The Steve Spurrier Factor.
If you remember, South Carolina went 6-5 last year, 4-4 in SEC play. This year, the Gamecocks went 7-4, 5-3 in SEC action. That's a one-victory improvement on each front. But if you believe everything you've read about Spurrier's work this fall, you'd think he had taken over Louisiana-Lafayette and led it to the Orange Bowl.
And just who did South Carolina beat this year? Take a look: Central Florida, Troy, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Arkansas and Florida. I count two bowl teams. And one of those is UCF. Tennessee had its worst team since 1988. You can draw your own conclusions. I think the evidence speaks for itself.
"If you look at some of the games they won, they were very fortunate," the SEC coach said. So, please, Spurrier fans, take off that visor, remove those wraparound sunglasses and look in the mirror: Yes, Spurrier has done a good job in 2005. But he didn't work miracles. That won't happen until he leads South Carolina to an SEC East title.

This has Fulmer written all over it, still pissed that Spurrier owns his a*s yet again!!!! :p


Maybe even Tubervile. He hates Spurrier.

[Bongo]

A few more points at UGA and we would have been in the title game. May have been spanked, but would have been there. I agree there were no miracles, but a team that played hard for 4 quarters in every game (since Auburn) That, is a miracle if you're a SC fan.

[pc72687]

I don't think a miracle is quite the word to discribe our season. Hard work is a better one. They worked hard after their Auburn wakeup and it shows. I agree a miracle would be a SEC championship. It might be Fulmer who said it but I would guess it is Shula since he was figured to be the SEC coach of the year and is sour over not getting it. And that wasn't intended to be a flame.

[bamafan0001]

Ha ha! Fulmer's name indeed! wah wah wah...You are correct sir....HIIIIIIYYYO!

[supergenius]

I don't think a miracle is quite the word to discribe our season. Hard work is a better one. They worked hard after their Auburn wakeup and it shows. I agree a miracle would be a SEC championship. It might be Fulmer who said it but I would guess it is Shula since he was figured to be the SEC coach of the year and is sour over not getting it. And that wasn't intended to be a flame.
No way that Shula would ever say anything like that. Like him or not Shula has too much class to spout off like that. My guess is that the coach in question is wingnut or Fulmer. RTR

[bamafan0001]

I don't think a miracle is quite the word to discribe our season. Hard work is a better one. They worked hard after their Auburn wakeup and it shows. I agree a miracle would be a SEC championship. It might be Fulmer who said it but I would guess it is Shula since he was figured to be the SEC coach of the year and is sour over not getting it. And that wasn't intended to be a flame.
Are you serious man? Come on...Shula? Why would Shula say anything about Steve Spurrier? Shula and Spurrier only said positive things about eachother in the press this year.

Plus since when have you heard Shula exchange barbs with anyone? He hasn't been around long enough to talk trash and certainly would never bring negitive attention to Alabama.

As a matter of fact, a recruit that was being persued by Alabama and a bunch of other SEC schools said the difference in his recruitment to Alabama as opposed to all the other schools was that Shula was the only who didn't try to down everyone else's program.

[TigerFanatic]

Are you serious man? Come on...Shula? Why would Shula say anything about Steve Spurrier? Shula and Spurrier only said positive things about eachother in the press this year.

Plus since when have you heard Shula exchange barbs with anyone? He hasn't been around long enough to talk trash and certainly would never bring negitive attention to Alabama.

As a matter of fact, a recruit that was being persued by Alabama and a bunch of other SEC schools said the difference in his recruitment to Alabama as opposed to all the other schools was that Shula was the only who didn't try to down everyone else's program.
you brought up one good point. Shula would do NOTHING to bring any negative attention to Bama after everything they have been through the last decade. they'd light his ass up so quick it'd be like the 4th of July



BTW: hey everyone, its nice to be back, hope ya missed me :)

[Dr. Pepper]

It is interesting to me that a writer for a national sports publication writes something like this and does not give the name of the head coach. How lame is that? "I was talking to a head coach..." Was he embarrassed that he was talking to that coach? Did the coach pay him off and tell him to write the article? Was he too scared to go out on a limb and voice his own opinions so he had to stand behind some "coach to be named later" in order to speak against the hallowed Mr. Spurrier?

Those of us who have been long suffering Gamecock fans know that we are in a new era and that bigger and greater things are to come. Any recruits who might put any stock into what Tom Dienhart says need to come to Columbia, see what we have, and find out what an idiot he really is. The issue is not a 6-5 team becoming 7-4. A losing culture has become a winning culture. The miracle is that it happened overnight.

For the past 3 or 4 months it has been football. For the next 6 or 7 months it will be a war of words. Let the games begin!

[GamecockDieHard]

Also, did this writer and/or mystery coach just wake up from a coma or did they not see the prognosticators in the pre-season that said we'd only win 3 or 4 games? Winning one more than last year AND going to a bowl game was considered nearly impossible back in August. It doesn't surprise me that some coach may feel like that or might say something negative about Spurrier. I don't think it deserves ink or should be so newsworthy to actually write about it. It says more about the writer than the coach who alledgedly said it, IMO.

[WDavE]

CTT and SOS are actually good friends....

[rabidcock]

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Spurrier hasn't worked any miracles at South Carolina
Tom Dienhart
The Sporting News
December 7, 2005

"Too much is being made of the Gamecocks' success this season.
South Carolina won one more game than it did last year. They have good players. They had them last year; they have them this year. That's what I'm saying. I don't think there's a whole big difference, to tell you the truth. South Carolina went 6-5 last year, 4-4 in SEC play. This year, the Gamecocks went 7-4, 5-3 in SEC action. That's a one-victory improvement on each front. Yes, Spurrier has done a good job in 2005. But he didn't work miracles. That won't happen until he leads South Carolina to an SEC East title."

He's looking at only one side of the equation (people keep doing that--trying to separate elements of an equation and make them a single entity).

"They had good players." : Yes, and the majority of those "big-name" (and ego) players was KICKED OFF THE TEAM.

"They made a one-victory improvement." : Yes, and they did it (without most of the big name good players from last year) with BRAND NEW FRESHMEN AND UNTRIED SOPHOMORES.

I'm sorry, but anyone who doesn't realize SPLENDID coaching when they see it is lacking something as a football coach and maybe isn't such a good coach himself. We must be careful to consider ALL elements; otherwise, someone may think we are subject to emotional "sour grapes", which this has all the earmarks of.

What say ye to this?

[TyThunder]

This is my view on the whole season;

Made field goal, Georgia goes down (and we win the East);

Scrap that crappy defense sooner and the Alabama game could have been better.

Good second string QB and the Auburn game could have been better

Does SC have a top 10 ten, no way; top 20, naw; top 25, maybe.

I think the talent level a SC is better than some give credit but I think it isn't experienced enough and we will make a huge jump next year. The players SHOULD improve on this year and the new and Red Shirt guys should provide a positive impact on the team. I think we will make a solid run at the East next year. I don’t think Georgia or Florida will get any better, and Tennessee could be on the verge of falling off the map, political issues more than player’s ability.
:rolleyes:

[pc72687]

I think all it will take for Tennesse to do good is go come together as a team and to stop making mental mistakes like dropping wide open passes. Tennesee is a very talented team, one of the most talented in the SEC. Georgia will be good next year, even if they have a brand new QB, they got a great one last year in Cox and are getting a even better one this year in Stafford, so look for them to be the favorites to repeat. Flordia, I am not sure, they are good, but don't play up to the level they should. I think they should have been in more games then they were. SC on the other hand can only improve in some places, but will suffer from graduation in others, SEVERLY (not sure if that is spelled correctly)! Carolina's OL and DL were horrendous this year and it was a position where the best players on them were seniors who in turn will be gone this year. Look for that to be a constant thorn in their side next year. So I see SC getting a win or two more then this year but challenging for the SEC will have to wait until they can establish some consistency on the lines.

[roosterj37]

PF wife and SOS wife shop together and r good friends
I dont know were everyone gets the idea that the two coaches hate each other
or that PF is the antichrist, but I know for a fact that they both think highly of each other and both if met in public are two fine generous careing men.
Despite what some Bama fans say

[fernandomike]

PF wife and SOS wife shop together and r good friends
I dont know were everyone gets the idea that the two coaches hate each other
or that PF is the antichrist, but I know for a fact that they both think highly of each other and both if met in public are two fine generous careing men.
Despite what some Bama fans say

You are quite right. They have been friends for years though that goes widely unreported. I guess everyone just finds it so much more interesting to think of them as sworn enemies, even if it flies in the face of the truth.

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

PF wife and SOS wife shop together and r good friends
I dont know were everyone gets the idea that the two coaches hate each other
or that PF is the antichrist, but I know for a fact that they both think highly of each other and both if met in public are two fine generous careing men.
Despite what some Bama fans say
But that's before this years game, and after that game th UT program crumbled beneth Phillip. And just because your wives are friends doesnt mean there husbands are friends, even though Spurrier said "I like Ole' Phil" maybe Phil hates The Visored One. :confused:

[roosterj37]

Ive never known the man to hate anyone despite what you hear

[bamafan0001]

PF wife and SOS wife shop together and r good friends
I dont know were everyone gets the idea that the two coaches hate each other
or that PF is the antichrist, but I know for a fact that they both think highly of each other and both if met in public are two fine generous careing men.
Despite what some Bama fans say
Yeeah...and Grizzly Adams had a beard...

[CockyTatGuy]

Grizzly Adams did have a beard....

[JerryBeeds]

Grizzly Adams did have a beard....

He sure did.

http://www.wrrx.com/images/magnumpi/images002_2.jpg

[GatorNation]

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Spurrier hasn't worked any miracles at South Carolina
Tom Dienhart
The Sporting News
December 7, 2005

I was talking to a head coach of an SEC team recently about South Carolina. And he reaffirmed what I had thought: Too much is being made of the Gamecocks' success this season.
"South Carolina won one more game than it did last year," the coach said.
There was a long pause after he said that. I could tell he had more he wanted to say.
"I don't know," he continued. "They have good players. They had them last year; they have them this year. That's what I'm saying. I don't think there's a whole big difference, to tell you the truth."
Hmmm. I think we all know what this coach was alluding to: The Steve Spurrier Factor.
If you remember, South Carolina went 6-5 last year, 4-4 in SEC play. This year, the Gamecocks went 7-4, 5-3 in SEC action. That's a one-victory improvement on each front. But if you believe everything you've read about Spurrier's work this fall, you'd think he had taken over Louisiana-Lafayette and led it to the Orange Bowl.
And just who did South Carolina beat this year? Take a look: Central Florida, Troy, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Arkansas and Florida. I count two bowl teams. And one of those is UCF. Tennessee had its worst team since 1988. You can draw your own conclusions. I think the evidence speaks for itself.
"If you look at some of the games they won, they were very fortunate," the SEC coach said. So, please, Spurrier fans, take off that visor, remove those wraparound sunglasses and look in the mirror: Yes, Spurrier has done a good job in 2005. But he didn't work miracles. That won't happen until he leads South Carolina to an SEC East title.

This has Fulmer written all over it, still pissed that Spurrier owns his a*s yet again!!!! :p


Sounds about right to me.

Holtz had better seasons.

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

What!!!!!!! Are you kiddin me!!!!!

[pc72687]

I don't think Hotlz had better seasons per se. He did beat UGA and MSU (when they were good) in the same year, but other then that he never really beat the big teams.

[CockyTatGuy]

Sounds about right to me.

Holtz had better seasons.


For ya'll it may have been better seasons, Holtz was 1-14 I believe in the Orange Crush part of our season with one win against Clemson.

[GatorNation]

I don't think Hotlz had better seasons per se. He did beat UGA and MSU (when they were good) in the same year, but other then that he never really beat the big teams.

UGA isn't a big team? They just won another SEC title.

As for Holtz, he secured back-to-back Outback wins against Ohio State with 9 wins in 2001 and 8 wins in 2000. That's more overall wins and a better bowl bid (and two wins) against a better team (than this year's Missouri team).

Spurs is great, no doubt, but we only beat usc by two in 2003. That could easily have been a loss. We also lost to MSU last year.

Infer the rest.

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

Okay I agree UF sucks!!!! ;)

[GatorNation]

Okay I agree UF sucks!!!! ;)

HAHA......wrong.

Try this: Spurrier didn't beat Florida this year. Florida beat Florida.

That was the point in this case (as it had been, more frequently, the last few years).

[nooneLT]

HAHA......wrong.

Try this: Spurrier didn't beat Florida this year. Florida beat Florida.

That was the point in this case (as it had been, more frequently, the last few years).

don't worry cock fans, that's the same excuse they say when it came to the florida bama game ;) :D

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

HAHA......wrong.

Try this: Spurrier didn't beat Florida this year. Florida beat Florida.

That was the point in this case (as it had been, more frequently, the last few years).CRY BABY CRY, geez you want some cheez with that whine. Man I knew when Spurrier left the fan base softned but this is rediculous. I guess Urban Crier has sucked the toughness out of that program!!!! :cool:

[ugamic]

Nobody doubts that Spurrier is a great coach but the fact is he was very lucky to have come into the SEC east during such a down year. Florida and Tennessee were both down... that's an understatement for UT. Besides Spurrier is supposed to be the offensive mastermind and it wasn't the offense that was winning games for South Carolina this year.

Perception is all that matters when it comes to recruiting though. Spurrier's now seen as a savior to USC fans and the media. So even though I personally don't think that he's done anything special the fact that he's being showered with praise will get his team on the right track.

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

Nobody doubts that Spurrier is a great coach but the fact is he was very lucky to have come into the SEC east during such a down year. Florida and Tennessee were both down... that's an understatement for UT. Besides Spurrier is supposed to be the offensive mastermind and it wasn't the offense that was winning games for South Carolina this year.

You know Ive said the same thing about Mark Richt since he became coach, he was an offensive mastermind at FSU but UGA wins with there D on a regular basis. They didnt have to get in a shootout to win, except for Auburn and they lost that game. But nobody says anything about Richt because he wins, and you should do the same for Spurrier 7 wins, 5-3 against the SEC and a missed extra point from the SEC title game, not bad for a offense under construtction.

[OrangeCrush]

But that's before this years game, and after that game th UT program crumbled beneth Phillip. And just because your wives are friends doesnt mean there husbands are friends, even though Spurrier said "I like Ole' Phil" maybe Phil hates The Visored One. :confused:


Tennessee's program had crumbled way before the USC game. The record might have not been all that bad before the game, but the wheels were coming off the big orange wagon. Nothing should be taken away from what Spurrier and the Gamecocks did this year. It was a special season and deserves plenty of praise. However, trying to paint Fulmer as the unnamed source is reaching way beyond the point of reason. Fulmer has more on his mind than the Gamecocks right now. Phil is going to take some heat(deservedly so) for what transpired this year under his watch. While the Vols might not be going to a bowl for the first time in the long time, Coach Fulmer knows he has to concentrate on putting his team back on the right track. It will be interesting to see what happens with the Gamecocks. Most people feel that they overachived. Will Spurrier and team be able to sustain a minimum of 7 win seasons? Florida and Georiga are doing great in recruiting. Tennessee will bounce back. If Spurrrier can get enough talent into Columbia, than it will be exciting to watch the SEC East have 4 constant contenders for the SEC Title. I hope the Visored One is capable of doing this, because it will raise the level of play in the East division.

[ugamic]

You know Ive said the same thing about Mark Richt since he became coach, he was an offensive mastermind at FSU but UGA wins with there D on a regular basis. They didnt have to get in a shootout to win, except for Auburn and they lost that game. But nobody says anything about Richt because he wins, and you should do the same for Spurrier 7 wins, 5-3 against the SEC and a missed extra point from the SEC title game, not bad for a offense under construtction.

You're right and I apologize. I shouldn't be trying to rain on anyone's parade. Nobody deserves to have a little success more than USC fans. Great head coaches put great people around them. That's exactly why Richt has been so successful. He makes great personnel choices and he's a leader.

Orangecrush, isn't the SEC tough enough already. I certainly don't think that we need more competition. We'll never get another national champion out of this conference. :)

[fernandomike]

SIMHB, why not try thinking outside of the box a bit? Both Fulmer and Spurrier have publicly acknowledged that they like each other though it has gotten very little play. This notion of a friendship just ruins everything for you, doesn't it? Fulmer has stated that Stevie is a nice to be around outside of football, but when they put a mic is his face is when he can get annoying. He has no reason to lie saying that he likes him when he actually doesn't. What would it gain?
I heard a story on the radio about a comment he made that chafed Phil a little. Fulmer, Spurrier, Summitt and others were playing in a charity golf tournament and someone asked Steve who he wanted in his pair. Since he and Fulmer were talking football, it was assumed that he would pick Phil. Instead, he chose Summitt saying that he'd rather play with someone who had won a national championship. This was obviously in the interim between UF's and UT's crowns. That's just an example of the things you have to put up with when you don't choose your friends carefully. ;)

[HSVTider]

I would tend to agree with this author for the first time in ages.

Spurrier won the AP COTY award more so because he's a media darling than because he went 5-3 in the SEC with a team that has the talent of Vanderbilt (when we all know SC has way more talent than that)

When is the last time a coach won COTY with a 5-3 conference record?

I can't remember it. He won it because he's the media darling, not because of his coaching job.

Richt, Tubberville, Miles, and even Shula were more deserving of it.

Which is why you saw the AFCA choose someone besides Spurrier.

[pc72687]

I see your argument HSVtider about Tubberville (brings back an Auburn team many thought would be down this year after the draft), Richt (won the SEC championship nuff said), and Shula (brought the team from an underachiever to a quality team). But I am not sure about the Miles thing. Both LSU and Tennesse are teams filled with talent and neither performed half of what they were capable of doing. Both of them should have been in National title contention with the talent they had on hand.

Gator, I most certainly never said UGA wasn't a big team. In fact I said Hotlz's only wins (I should have specified SEC because 2 straight vs. OSU is nothing to shake a stick at) that were big was UGA and MSU. I most certainly wasn't taking anything away from either team. Recently UGA has been the more dominant team in the SEC.

I don't we need to be having sour apples over all this. Spurrier was given the award not because of his sterling win loss record (7-4), but more so because much of the team's major talent was loss in the off season, the team was slated to go 3-8 or 4-7, and many of the wins were purely won because he coached an inferior team into a position to win as opposed to just riding talent.

[GatorNation]

CRY BABY CRY, geez you want some cheez with that whine. Man I knew when Spurrier left the fan base softned but this is rediculous. I guess Urban Crier has sucked the toughness out of that program!!!! :cool:

Oh, I see.

So, when usc wins, it's all because of Spurrier's inimitable, superlative (and superior) genius, which is invariably and ineluctably poised to translate the ever-talented, versatile, and heartened cocks to SEC elite status and, thus, cfb world-beaters. Hey, tuck Fexass and Missouri, bring on the "other" USC....

....and when usc loses (gasp!), it's because a scrappy, struggling usc team--sporting both an impoverished roster and an anemic offense with little talent to effectively run Spurrier's schemes, a team trying desperately to overachieve amidst the clearly overwhelming sea of talent that is the SEC--has been left for dead by a myriad of legal troubles and wanting dedication, the lingering effects of the baneful "dystopia" procured by the previous regime.

Yeah, keep talking.

Only another decade or so until you get the series to .500.

:rolleyes:

[rabidcock]

Only another decade or so until you get the series to .500.

:rolleyes:

I hardly think so. The all-time record is 507 wins-512 losses. If he doesn't bring us even (8-3) by next season, it will surely be by 2007!

[GatorNation]

I hardly think so. The all-time record is 507 wins-512 losses. If he doesn't bring us even (8-3) by next season, it will surely be by 2007!

The UF/usc series.

[rabidcock]

The UF/usc series.

Oops...gotcha'. :o

[Is there some "Freudian" reason you made "usc" smaller than "UF" in your quote....hmmmm? :D ]

[pc72687]

I think to call SC a constant contender at this point is a little rash. I think we are 2 years off from being a real threat.

[Dr. Pepper]

Oh, I see.


Only another decade or so until you get the series to .500.

:rolleyes:

Glad to know that you realize that we are going to dominate you over the next decade.

[pc72687]

Hum, I think Dr. Pepper is going to be the recepient of lots of flaming.

[GatorNation]

Glad to know that you realize that we are going to dominate you over the next decade.

Hardly...and I pointed it out to show how unlikely the task actually is. But, hey, you never know....maybe usc and old Spurs can do it. He better get cracking with his recruiting class, though.

The fact that NORTH Carolina and the Illinois Fighting Zookers have better (i.e., ranked) classes does not bode well for your fb aspirations.

:eek:

[pc72687]

i agree and disagree GN. I agree it takes a great recruits (translates to players/talent) to win. But I disagree since even though we are low, now I think we will make up ground in the end. Which is fine with me. If not, he will save them for next year.

[Dr. Pepper]

It matters not how you start, but how you finish. This recruiting race has a long way to go.