Gotta say this

[GTmorris1970]

Go ahead and flame me, that is fine. I watched Texas and USC on Saturday, and this year the SEC does not have a team in the conference that could serve as a scout team for either one of them. That is two bad arse football teams. Every one of USC's seniors will probably go pro. That is stupidly uncommon. Anyone who does not believe USC is for real needs to watch more college football. :cool:

[AFWarrior83]

I concur with that assesment!

[greggspacho]

Go ahead and flame me, that is fine. I watched Texas and USC on Saturday, and this year the SEC does not have a team in the conference that could serve as a scout team for either one of them. That is two bad arse football teams. Every one of USC's seniors will probably go pro. That is stupidly uncommon. Anyone who does not believe USC is for real needs to watch more college football. :cool:

Your right, Texas and So. Cal looked great on Saturday but there is more to a season then one game. OK, I will give you Texas; the only team that had a shot at beating them was Ohio St. So. Cal on the other hand just slipped by ND and Fresno St. I think that if they had to go to places like Baton Rouge, Gainesville, Auburn, Athens, Etc, they wouldn’t slip by every time. I don’t know that’s just how I feel about it. Don’t get me wrong, So. Cal. did prove week after week while administering some serious ass whippings and do deserve all the respect they get. I expect the NC to be a great game but think Texas will take it in the end.

[RW13]

Agreed, and unless LSU greatly improves next year then I don't forsee a team in the next 2 years that could match the 2005 versions of UT and USC...

[scunyon]

I have to disagree some...you put SoCal in a conference where the defense shows up 90% of the time and I give you a 9-2 team. They are lucky to be where they are right now because I know (as well as a bunch of other people) that ND or FrSt should've beaten them. Please show me an SEC matchup where the combined scores are near the century mark on a regular basis.

I'd put any of the past 4 SEC champs on the field with SoCal and they would get a loss in the first two games.

The PAC-10 is the equivalent to USC playing Allen and Benedict on a regular basis :rolleyes:

[ugamic]

No doubt they look like the two best teams but nobody will ever know for 100% certainty because of the BCS. I mean USC looked unbeatable until they ran into ND earlier this year... a game they should have lost. You just never know until the games are played. That's been proven time and time again in sports.

[USC66]

With great respect to GT, I have to disagree and agree with "scunyon".

[GatorHunter]

ESPN actually had a "very small" commentary saying basically that USC hasn't faced a single team with a top 25 defense...I know it's hard to believe considering ESPN's "man-crush" for USC but I saw it...also, Texas hasn't faced a single defense that would compare to the SEC Elite.

That's why I think this Bowl season is so important...with the slip of Tenn. and the SEC only providing 6 bowl teams, those ESPN guys have really been flaming the SEC...gives us a chance to lay a beatdown on other conf. and show why we are and always will be the superior conference.

[GamecockDieHard]

ESPN actually had a "very small" commentary saying basically that USC hasn't faced a single team with a top 25 defense...I know it's hard to believe considering ESPN's "man-crush" for USC but I saw it...also, Texas hasn't faced a single defense that would compare to the SEC Elite.

That's why I think this Bowl season is so important...with the slip of Tenn. and the SEC only providing 6 bowl teams, those ESPN guys have really been flaming the SEC...gives us a chance to lay a beatdown on other conf. and show why we are and always will be the superior conference.


Yep. And the best way to show that is for the SEC to go 6-0 in the bowls. I think we can do it. Sure is nice having everyone on this site pulling for each other for a change.

[hmsdawgs]

Its good to be one big happy family again!

[scunyon]

Its good to be one big happy family again!


Better enjoy it now, because come September of '06, we'll be back at each other's throats :D

[ColonelKurtz]

Go ahead and flame me, that is fine. I watched Texas and USC on Saturday, and this year the SEC does not have a team in the conference that could serve as a scout team for either one of them. That is two bad arse football teams. Every one of USC's seniors will probably go pro. That is stupidly uncommon. Anyone who does not believe USC is for real needs to watch more college football. :cool:

Horse caca! Balderdash! And HERESY!!! Jock sniffing non-SEC teams should be a capital offense! UCLA would be no better than middle pack of the SEC IF THAT and Colorado wouldn't have a winning record. What we watched those two do Saturday was execute two teams, one that had no business being there (Buffs) and another who had a monkey stomping due.

I guess you missed the texican's near defeat @ tOSU earlier this season and the first quarter of the aTm game.....and I guess you missed the stinking Irish stone the rubbers and damn near win the game....Guess YOU NEED to watch more feetsball!

I truely believe that any of the top teams in the SEC would not only compete with either but would also have good shots at beating either of them.

[blues_cap]

im not getting into the "sec would beat..... argument" but i will comment on the ucla defense. as i was watching the game the other day, bush was not getting TOUCHED or having to make a move until he was 8-9 yards down the field. this wasnt once or twice, this was the whole first half. i was watching with one of my buddies and i was asking him why they were even trying to throw it. it is hard to average 13 yards per pass and bush was getting that damn near every time he touched it. pretty ridiculous.

i understand bush is special, do not get me wrong. that said, there are a lot of backs who could make a lot of those runs he made on saturday. im not saying a lot could make the runs he has made through the course of the season, but last saturday, i could of rushed for 100 in the first half alone.

[scunyon]

...i understand bush is special, do not get me wrong. that said, there are a lot of backs who could make a lot of those runs he made on saturday. im not saying a lot could make the runs he has made through the course of the season, but last saturday, i could of rushed for 100 in the first half alone.

I dare say that a Kenny Irons or McFadden or Little in a SoCal uniform against the Pac10 rush defenses would have the same, or better numbers. :rolleyes:

[JBryant12]

If USC or Texas are in the SEC conference i seriously doubt both would go undefeated....i mean just look how great Fresno st is doin after the USC game...they have lost 3 straight (And not to good teams either) but i do think that both teams would have won the conference this year...just not undefeated

[Noah.Dreams]

If they can hold onto the ball, I predict that Texas will beat USC by 21 points. Texas has the ability to dominate on every phase of the game, whether it be offense, defense or special teams. Texas' defensive and offensive lines are simply overwhelming. I can't remember ever seeing guards and tackles so athletic, where they pull on almost every play to lead the block downfield. And those special teams are just as likely to score as the offense. I wouldn't be surprised to see Texas block 3 punts.

With that said, Reggie Bush should be the best RB in the NFL next year.

[uscrebel]

You guys are so full of football penis-envy that it hurts. (No offense JB, I actually like you.)

The season is done. At the end, either Texas or USC will be number one, the world will still be intact, Kentucky will be headed the NCAA tournament, and mothers will still be worried about their babies.

As to USC being able to play defense, let's look at what really happened this year.

They played Arkansas an put 70 points on them. The highest point total any SEC team managed was the 34 that Auburn scored. USC allowed them 17 points, but 7 of those came in the final quarter when the kids from Crenshaw middle school were suited up for the Trojans. They averaged 22 points per game against SEC opponents. If you take out OM and MSU, they averaged 17. From this measure, one would say that they are comparable to SEC defenses.

The next measure is to look at what USC did to its opponents.

Listed below are the teams we played, the season scoring average and the points against USC. Also, included are the number of points scored in the 4th quarter when subs were in.

HAW -- 30.7 / 17 / (7 in 4th)
ARK -- 25.7 / 17 / (7 in 4th)
ORE -- 36.4 / 13 / (Led 13-0, followed by 45 unanswered USC points)
ASU -- 36.9 / 28 / (Led 21-3, followed by 35-7 second half outburst)
ARZ -- 22.9 / 21 / (USC never trailed)
UND -- 38.2 / 31 / (What a game!)
UW -- 21.5 / 24 / (7 pts. off pass interception from 2nd team w/ 6 minutes left in game.)
WSU -- 33.6 / 13 / (7 in 4th)
STN -- 24.5 / 21 / (14 in 4th...7 in final 22 seconds)
CAL -- 32.8 / 21 / (7 in final 1:22 seconds)
CSUF -- 38.9 / 42 / (They came to play!)
UCLA -- 38.0 / 19 / (13 pts in final 3 minutes)

So, all season long only two teams scored more points than their average. With the exception of UND and CSUF, the second team was on the field as early as the third quarter, but always by the fourth quarter.

Ultimately, when you score 50 points a game, you can afford to give up 21 points a game to let your younger players get time on the field.

[blues_cap]

rebel, while most of what you said is agreed upon, texas is in the same boat. they havent played al many close games as usc, have had at least as many blowouts, yet their defense is ranked 6 nationally. granted, the big 12 sucks on both sides of the ball, but by stats alone, texas looks pretty good.

anyway, i will not try to predict this one. last year i thought ok would more physical with peterson and win in the 4th qtr, yet they didnt make it past the second quarter. gooooooo ????????

[jneesy]

texas wins in a rout

[fernandomike]

USC has enjoyed an amazing streak and I don't necessarily believe that it will end in the title game. They have looked both very impressive and very beatable. It is ridiculous to assume that they would sweep through the SEC. THEY BEAT NOTRE DAME BY THE GRACE OF GOD! Notre Dame is a good team, but certainly not great. The Irish are no better than UGA or Auburn in my opinion. I think that Fresno State is worse than the the best of our conference. USC barely escaped in that game. Make no mistake, the Trojans are fabulous on offense and above average on defense. To beat them, you have to score a lot of points. I think that some of our teams could score a bunch while slowing them down much more than Pac 10 defenses. I am not saying that the Trojans would lose because I don't know. They have met every challenge for a long time now. Still, top teams don't generally schedule the elite teams from other conferences. Thus, you may beat up your brethren without anyone really knowing how good you actually are. The pundits will claim to know, but anyone who has followed this game knows how frequently they have been wrong. They jump to a lot of conclusions and we stupidly follow their lead. The very nature of college football makes each Saturday fraught with peril no matter the team. USC is no exception.

[scunyon]

I don't know about any penile infatuation being the case, just stating the reality of the Pac10 compared to the SEC. You are entitled to your opinion, but the fact is, SoCal could not do in the SEC what they do in the Pac. And I don't buy the argument that because you score 50 you can give up 21 for the sake of gametime experience. The ideal game means that you impose your will on both sides of the ball, you score a lot and they don't score any ;)

I am not taking anything away from RB, because he is an excellent player, however, he has room to improve to become a complete back (specifically, blocking).

I wish him all the best in the future, but there is a lot more parity in the NFL than in the Pac10. He may have a great career, but don't look for any 500yd games playing with the big boys :cool:

[JerryBeeds]

I don't know Scunyon, if I had a bigger unit, I wouldn't be so obsessed with the SEC's dominance. It all makes too much sense. :rolleyes:

[scunyon]

I don't know Scunyon, if I had a bigger unit, I wouldn't be so obsessed with the SEC's dominance. It all makes too much sense. :rolleyes:


LMFAO!! You gonna make me get my ass chewed at work for disturbing the chaos in here!! :D

[GTmorris1970]

My point is simply this, and its pretty simple really. USC shows up for tough games. Notre Dame is nothing to sneeze at. Yes, they had them on the ropes, but could not pull it out. They play Arkansas. Ok, not the best SEC team this year, but with one of the best rushing offenses around. They get humiliated. Over 500 total yards for USC if I am not mistaken, and 70 points. The SEC IMO is down this year, from top to bottom. USC would humiliate the best team in the SEC right now IMO. UGA, LSU, any of them. If I did not love the SEC I would not be here. However, if people want to keep claiming SEC dominance, it better get back up where it used to be. I would be very surprised if any USC senior does not go pro after this year. That is unheard of. Show me ANY SEC team that has done that. They get the best talent, have the best players overall, period. They DO deserve to be where they are, and any coach out there would kill to have the talent that team has. I don't care what conference you play in. Having a winning streak like they are on does not happen because you suck.

[GTmorris1970]

I don't know about any penile infatuation being the case, just stating the reality of the Pac10 compared to the SEC. You are entitled to your opinion, but the fact is, SoCal could not do in the SEC what they do in the Pac. And I don't buy the argument that because you score 50 you can give up 21 for the sake of gametime experience. The ideal game means that you impose your will on both sides of the ball, you score a lot and they don't score any ;)

I am not taking anything away from RB, because he is an excellent player, however, he has room to improve to become a complete back (specifically, blocking).

I wish him all the best in the future, but there is a lot more parity in the NFL than in the Pac10. He may have a great career, but don't look for any 500yd games playing with the big boys :cool:

Funny, two of the top contenders for the Heisman are at USC. Which SEC teams have two contenders? :confused:

[GTmorris1970]

Horse caca! Balderdash! And HERESY!!! Jock sniffing non-SEC teams should be a capital offense! UCLA would be no better than middle pack of the SEC IF THAT and Colorado wouldn't have a winning record. What we watched those two do Saturday was execute two teams, one that had no business being there (Buffs) and another who had a monkey stomping due.

I guess you missed the texican's near defeat @ tOSU earlier this season and the first quarter of the aTm game.....and I guess you missed the stinking Irish stone the rubbers and damn near win the game....Guess YOU NEED to watch more feetsball!

I truely believe that any of the top teams in the SEC would not only compete with either but would also have good shots at beating either of them.

I have been watching football for 25 years every Saturday. That is why my opinion is what it is. Im just not an SEC is holier than thou person. I love great college football, and love watching great college football teams. When you recruit a majority four and five star recruits every year, and you have it all (speed, size, a great QB, etc.), that is why they are what they are. There may be two SEC teams this year that could hold em off for a while, but I still say it would be embarrassing in the end. I, as much as anyone else, wish it would happen. It is a shame to be that good of a football team, and get thrashed simply because of what conference you play in. I kept hearing Friday while I was in Atlanta how USC had no defense, and UCLA may upset them because of their running game. They shut that up right quick. As far as Notre Dame, if there is any coach that could upset USC right now, Charlie Weiss would probably be it. Great football game, once again USC had the chance of being upset, did not happen. :cool:

[Cianne]

Funny, two of the top contenders for the Heisman are at USC. Which SEC teams have two contenders? :confused:

Gotta start off with naming one contender.

[GTmorris1970]

Gotta start off with naming one contender.

Reggie Bush and Matt Leinhart. :cool:

[Cianne]

Reggie Bush and Matt Leinhart. :cool:

I'm talking at an SEC school doofus :p

[GTmorris1970]

I'm talking at an SEC school doofus :p

Oh, I gotcha!!! LOL Cut me some slack. Just woke up!! :D However, that is a good question. DJ Shockley maybe? :p :D ;)

[fernandomike]

USC would humiliate the best team in the SEC right now IMO. UGA, LSU, any of them.

Unless you choose to ignore the Fresno State and Notre Dame games, I don't see how you can so confidently say that. You don't just crunch the numbers and see who comes out on top. That oblong ball bounces kinda funny. There are huge shifts in momentum in the college game. There are injuries and matchup issues and gameplans and weather and all kinds of other variables that you are completely ignoring. USC has been remarkable, but this seems to happen to some degree fairly often. A Miami or a Florida State or an Oklahoma is universally seen as dominant only to eventually be beaten by a determined underdog. Then, everyone claims they saw it coming. That will happen to USC as well. If not at the hands of an SEC opponent, then I for one, would gladly settle for a Texas victory.

[JerryBeeds]

If not at the hands of an SEC opponent, then I for one, would gladly settle for a Texas victory.

Me too! Hook 'em Horns!

[GTmorris1970]

Unless you choose to ignore the Fresno State and Notre Dame games, I don't see how you can so confidently say that. You don't just crunch the numbers and see who comes out on top. That oblong ball bounces kinda funny. There are huge shifts in momentum in the college game. There are injuries and matchup issues and gameplans and weather and all kinds of other variables that you are completely ignoring. USC has been remarkable, but this seems to happen to some degree fairly often. A Miami or a Florida State or an Oklahoma is universally seen as dominant only to eventually be beaten by a determined underdog. Then, everyone claims they saw it coming. That will happen to USC as well. If not at the hands of an SEC opponent, then I for one, would gladly settle for a Texas victory.

Texas COULD get em. I don't know about anyone else, but I think that will be one of the most anticipated NC games in a long time. I remember when people kept telling me what Oklahoma was going to do to them in the NC game. Oklahoma came out and scored quick, and the humiliation began almost as soon as they scored. This one should be a great one. I don't crunch numbers that much. Don't have time. I just love to watch em play the game. I love to watch great football teams. The talent level on that team is phenomenal. My question right now is, will this be a great NC or will it turn out like Oklahoma? I hope its a great one. As for UGA and LSU. No disrespect to either team, but I don't believe either one of them are that good this year. They both deserved to be there, but both have fielded much better teams in the past. That is why I say the SEC is down this year. Would USC score half a century on SEC defenses? Not all the time. Sometimes? Absolutely. Already have. :cool:

[Foxman]

Texas COULD get em. I don't know about anyone else, but I think that will be one of the most anticipated NC games in a long time. I remember when people kept telling me what Oklahoma was going to do to them in the NC game. Oklahoma came out and scored quick, and the humiliation began almost as soon as they scored. This one should be a great one. I don't crunch numbers that much. Don't have time. I just love to watch em play the game. I love to watch great football teams. The talent level on that team is phenomenal. My question right now is, will this be a great NC or will it turn out like Oklahoma? I hope its a great one. As for UGA and LSU. No disrespect to either team, but I don't believe either one of them are that good this year. They both deserved to be there, but both have fielded much better teams in the past. That is why I say the SEC is down this year. Would USC score half a century on SEC defenses? Not all the time. Sometimes? Absolutely. Already have. :cool:

Definantly. It's probably one of the few times that both NT contenders are
Undefeated and have been 1 and 2 ever since the start. Lol, Honestly I think the BCS lucked out on this one. But hey, I'm sure their will be more contravery next year.

And anyone who thinks that USC is unstopable really needs to open their eyes. They beat ND by 3 points, and Fresno state by 8. If thats not enough(and you're an SEC homer like me) take a look at the common opponent theory with ND-Vols, and ND-Trojans. If you remember, Both games were tied at the third quarter, 21-21, With an almost exact gameday situation and alot more to play for for the Trojans. Or, look at the Arizona St.-LSU and Arizona St.-USC. USC outscored LSU by only 3 points, not to mention LSU was playing their a katrina-postponed season opener 3 states and 1237 miles away in Tempe.

So, in Summary: USC can be stopped (by someone with powers less-comprable to wonderboy!) and if you want a prediction Will be stopped in the Rose bowl at the hands of the poser (yet alot better{this year}) UT.

Hook'em Horns!!!!!

[uscrebel]

Definantly. It's probably one of the few times that both NT contenders are
Undefeated and have been 1 and 2 ever since the start. Lol, Honestly I think the BCS lucked out on this one. But hey, I'm sure their will be more contravery next year.

And anyone who thinks that USC is unstopable really needs to open their eyes. They beat ND by 3 points, and Fresno state by 8. If thats not enough(and you're an SEC homer like me) take a look at the common opponent theory with ND-Vols, and ND-Trojans. If you remember, Both games were tied at the third quarter, 21-21, With an almost exact gameday situation and alot more to play for for the Trojans. Or, look at the Arizona St.-LSU and Arizona St.-USC. LSU outscored USC by 3 points. Oh, and LSU was playing its katrina-postponed season opener, away, while USC was at home.

So, in Summary: USC can be stopped (by someone with powers less-comprable to wonderboy!!!) and if you want a prediction Will be stopped in the Rose bowl at the hands of the poser (yet alot better{this year}) UT.

Hook'em Horns!!!!!

ASU 31 - LSU 35 Played at Tempe

ASU 28 - USC 38 Played at Tempe

Yes, Texas can beat USC, but get your facts straight.

[GatorNation]

Texas COULD get em. I don't know about anyone else, but I think that will be one of the most anticipated NC games in a long time.

Well, since last year at least. And we should hope Texass loses; otherwise none of us will ever be able to pull a recruit out of Texass again.

[cocky4ever]

The SEC IMO is down this year, from top to bottom.

And yet the SEC is still the best conference in the country. The only other conference that held its own against was the ACC and they collapsed at the end and had a conference champion with 4 losses. There has NEVER been an SEC Champion with 4 losses.

[GeauxTo]

One of the best weapons that Texas has is their defensive coordinator, late of Auburn University. If USC can be throttled, he'll figure out how to do it. On the other side, I don't think USC's defense can stop Texas. That, I think, will be the difference.

[cocky4ever]

Well, since last year at least. And we should hope Texass loses; otherwise none of us will ever be able to pull a recruit out of Texass again.
Hell no. Im pulling for Texas all the way. If So Cal wins we will have to hear forever after about how they won three straight championships. LSU went through the SEC with one loss and won the National Title game and had to share their title with So Cal who had one loss in the Pac Ten and won a BCS bowl. The next year Auburn went undefeated in the SEC and won a BCS bowl and didnt get crap because So Cal went undefeated in the Pac 10 and won the title game. I dont want there to be any way for So Cal to say they won 3 titles in a row.

[GeauxTo]

Hell no. Im pulling for Texas all the way. If So Cal wins we will have to hear forever after about how they won three straight championships. LSU went through the SEC with one loss and won the National Title game and had to share their title with So Cal who had one loss in the Pac Ten and won a BCS bowl. The next year Auburn went undefeated in the SEC and won a BCS bowl and didnt get crap because So Cal went undefeated in the Pac 10 and won the title game. I dont want there to be any way for So Cal to say they won 3 titles in a row.
A Big Amen!

[uscrebel]

Fight On for ol' SC
Our men Fight On to victory
Our Alma Mater dear,
looks up to you
Fight On and win
For ol' SC
Fight On to victory
Fight On!

[GeauxTo]

Fight On for ol' SC
Our men Fight On to victory
Our Alma Mater dear,
looks up to you
Fight On and win
For ol' SC
Fight On to victory
Fight On!

Hook Em Horns!
http://www.bazaarnovelty.com/catalog/images/55589n.jpg

[Djshockley3]

Hook em horns all the way.

[scunyon]

I will be "horny" for this one... GT, I love ya man, but let's look at the conferences based on the teams in them. Look at the Pac10 and tell me where you have a Bama, Auburn, LSU, UGA, UF, USC (the real one) and even though they were down this year, UT and Ark.

I just don't see USC running through the SEC like they do the SLAC10. The SEC seems down because the bigger programs are getting quality players and coaches who can get the most out of them. Think how differently things could've played out if this had been SOS and Urbie the love bugs second season with their new teams. It could've been an even bigger mess to figure out who is the best. At the end of the game though, somebody has to lose. I can make the same argument for the ACC. C'mon, Miami, FSU, VT, BC, CU, GT, MRLD, NC State, UVA...you get the point. USC would not be dominant in a more evenly matched conference.

JMHO, and we have respectfully agreed to disagree. Just want to give you a different point of view.

:cool:

[GTmorris1970]

I will be "horny" for this one... GT, I love ya man, but let's look at the conferences based on the teams in them. Look at the Pac10 and tell me where you have a Bama, Auburn, LSU, UGA, UF, USC (the real one) and even though they were down this year, UT and Ark.

I just don't see USC running through the SEC like they do the SLAC10. The SEC seems down because the bigger programs are getting quality players and coaches who can get the most out of them. Think how differently things could've played out if this had been SOS and Urbie the love bugs second season with their new teams. It could've been an even bigger mess to figure out who is the best. At the end of the game though, somebody has to lose. I can make the same argument for the ACC. C'mon, Miami, FSU, VT, BC, CU, GT, MRLD, NC State, UVA...you get the point. USC would not be dominant in a more evenly matched conference.

JMHO, and we have respectfully agreed to disagree. Just want to give you a different point of view.

:cool:

Love you too, man!! :D I have no problem at all with disagreement. Good conversation is what makes this place what it is. I see your points. I really do. One thing I have not mentioned, I don't think anyway, is that USC beats lesser opponents like a great team should. They don't normally win by 3 or 7. They NORMALLY throttle lesser opponents. Like I said before, they certainly would not beat all the SEC like they do in the Pac 10. Some of them yes. All of them no. I simply feel they have all the ingredients of a great football team. And, I feel they are as good as advertised. Can Texas take them? I believe so. That could be a helluva barn burner. I cannot wait. I am certainly no huge USC fan, but I give credit where it is due. I have nothing against them either. Like I said before. I enjoy watching good college football, regardless of the conference. :cool:

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

So. Cal will win by 2 tds easily, Big 12 is so overrated(of course the Pac-10 is as well but we remember what happened last year dont we!!!!)

[Foxman]

So. Cal will win by 2 tds easily, Big 12 is so overrated(of course the Pac-10 is as well but we remember what happened last year dont we!!!!)

Yeah, but that was last year. Last year USC had almost the exact same people on Offense this year, and a really really good defense to go along with it. The difference this year? The lost a good chunk of their Defense to graduation, and we've all heard the phrase "Offense sells tickets, Defense wins championships", right?

And, Texas IMHO has almost as good a offense than last year's Oklahoma and alot better defense. They can score on you anywhere, anytime, offense, defense or special teams.

One things for certain, these teams are definantly Championship-caliber teams facing off at Pasadena.

[uscrebel]

Hook Em Horns!
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That looks like a little chocolate cowhead. It will make a nice dessert.
:cool: