Scott McKinney on Orgeron

[AceLeroy]

OK , I just gotta ask....

I read the Scott MAC article on the Reb board and was surprised by the responses to it.

I read things like ........good article and very good article and I happen to agree with it.

Hmmmmmm.....I just wanted to ask some of you Rebs if some of this article didn't seem strange to you?

Like this quote from the "unnamed SEC asst. Coach......" I know a lot of the fans over there are on him and the program now , he said. But this is EXACTLY WHAT ED WANTED TO HAPPEN , AND EXACTLY WHAT HE PREDICTED WOULD HAPPEN."

Are you kidding me?? O WANTED to go 3-8? O WANTED to get blown out vs. LSU?? O WANTED to get blown out by MSU??? O WANTED to finish last in the SEC overall??

I can't believe that none of you Rebs even questioned this remark.

I move on.......

another quote from the Scott Mac article....." Orgeron never asked the Tulane asst. coach specifically about any players , rather just to say We're here if you need us."

Do none of you question this?? The Clarion Ledger says different. The CL says O DID ask specifically about the Tulane QB.

I have always liked listening to Scott Mac and he does a good job of being fair most of the time , however , this article is ridiculous. I have seen it posted on several sites and it is being made fun of on all of them including an Ole Miss site where one Reb says " this has to be tongue in cheek". There are even Rebel fans on one MSU board ( one that allows the truth to be told and sounds like pix sack ) that are ridiculing this article.

Come on , did some of you not question some of thes things in this article???

[uscrebel]

Leroy,

I live in Southern California. I have two friends who are media types...one print, one broadcast. They are both pretty well known and one appears on the Best Damn Sports Show Period fairly often. They typically don't talk much about stories that they are following. A couple of years ago the broadcast guy showed up at Midnight Mass. Our parish does a champagne and dessert thing after the Midnight Service. (We're Episcopalians and look for any excuse to have a cocktail party.) At rate, about four glasses into the evening, he very uncharacteristically started talking about the conflict between Kobe and Shack. After listening for a while, I pointed out that he almost never talked shop and wanted to know why he was doing it now. His response was, "Everybody is on the story now. Once that happens, conjecture and opinion are more important that the facts. The XX Times Channel XX is not really reporting the story anymore, they are just telling people what they want to hear."

That's how I take most of the Orgeron stuff. He's different and bigger than life...well, he's loud anyway. The media can't talk about your coach because he is....well, you know why they can't talk about him. Vandy's coach is as nice a guy as anyone has ever met, so they won't talk about him either. Kentucky is a basketball school and Rich Brooks is very media savvy, so he can get them off of his back pretty quickly. That leaves Coach O, who either doesn't care if people talk about him or he doesn't know how to stay out of the lime light.

I don't really give a crap what the media or anyone else says about him. He will either eventually win or eventually hit the road. My life won't change very much either way. What I do not like, however, is when a-holes decide that decisions made by the athletic director or head coach or "influential boosters" are somehow reflective of either me or my brother and sister alumni.

MSU and USCar have what are arguably the two most historically lacking football programs in the Conference. They are the only two with all-time losing records. There have been some really bizarre coaching choices made by your school's adminstration. In fact, one that I thought was brilliant, bringing in Emory Bellard, never quite panned out. Despite this, it does not occur to me to shout (figuratively speaking) at Bulldog or Gamecock alumni and hold them personally responsible for decisions made by coaches or AD's. Yes indeed, the week before we play a team, I will pile on and make fun and be freakin irreverent...but that is part of the fun.

The bottomline is that I don't put much store by media reports. Other than Frank Deforde, I don't pay much attention to what columnists say...they are selling copy. You are probably a pretty nice guy and feel about your team the way I feel about mine, so I expect you to not cheer for us...no problem. I do not, however, expect you to question my loyalty to my university.

HFT

[AceLeroy]

I wasn't questioning anyone's loyalty , I was just wondering if any of you questioned the statement that this " is exactly what Ed wanted to happen."

[uscrebel]

I wasn't questioning anyone's loyalty , I was just wondering if any of you questioned the statement that this " is exactly what Ed wanted to happen."

Okay. My bad.

I haven't questioned it because it was written by a clown masquerading as a journalist who is trying to sell column inches.

[BeeDee]

I wasn't questioning anyone's loyalty , I was just wondering if any of you questioned the statement that this " is exactly what Ed wanted to happen."


Of course he didn't mean that he wanted to go 3-8. I think what he meant was that he wanted to go ahead and make his mistakes now and get them out of the way. He wanted to go ahead and let the naysayers get started, so that he could prove them wrong down the road. I'm sure he didn't mind showing everyone just how bad the program was left by Cutcliffe - because he'll get just that much more credit when he "rights the ship". That's how I read it.

[AceLeroy]

Of course he didn't mean that he wanted to go 3-8. I think what he meant was that he wanted to go ahead and make his mistakes now and get them out of the way. He wanted to go ahead and let the naysayers get started, so that he could prove them wrong down the road. I'm sure he didn't mind showing everyone just how bad the program was left by Cutcliffe - because he'll get just that much more credit when he "rights the ship". That's how I read it.

That doesn't add up to me. After Cut going 4-7 last year , wouldn't O get plenty of credit THIS year if he would have at least went 6-5 and got the Rebs back in a bowl game??

To say that " he didn't mind showing everone how bad the program was left by Cutcliffe-because he'll get just that much more credit when "he rights the ship". , ........Isn't that the same as saying he didn't mind losing?

Or does it mean he didn't mind losing because he would get more credit when and if he did start winning?

If I thought my coach was OK with losing because it might make him look better when he did win later down the road , I would be ready to run his ass out of town THAT DAY!!!!

I for damn sure don't want my coach not giving a crap if we win or not in his first year , just so he can get credit for winning a few later.

I want him to try and win EVERY GAME that he is payed to try and win.

Do you really think after each loss he was thinking , now they see what a mess Cut left me? Do you really want a coach who " DOESN"T MIND" losing because it will make him look good later???

It just keeps getting deeper.

[Cianne]

I honestly think you're just trying to look way too hard into things.

[AceLeroy]

I honestly think you're just trying to look way too hard into things.

Maybe so , it is just the way the article was worded that was strange to me and most of my Rebel buddies agree.

I do not buy , as the article stated , that this is exactly what Ed wanted to happen. I figure Coach O as more of a competitor than that. It was said while he was at USC , you could hear him yelling and trying to fire up his players even when they were blowing the other team out. This isn't a guy who is OK with losing. He wanted to win , it just didn't happen.

[BeeDee]

Maybe so , it is just the way the article was worded that was strange to me and most of my Rebel buddies agree.

I do not buy , as the article stated , that this is exactly what Ed wanted to happen. I figure Coach O as more of a competitor than that. It was said while he was at USC , you could hear him yelling and trying to fire up his players even when they were blowing the other team out. This isn't a guy who is OK with losing. He wanted to win , it just didn't happen.

Not saying that he CHOSE to have a losing season to prove his point. I'm saying that I think that he knew it was coming. He did what he could to keep it from happening, but he knew it was gonna happen (the only question was HOW bad it was going to be). That's more than I can say for a lot of us. I, personally, predicted a 7-4 season with a possibility of 8-3. Shows what I know :p

I think that what he's saying is basically that the cloud has a silver lining. Sure, we had a bad season, but that'll make the success in the future all the more sweet. No hidden meaning here. Take it at face value.

[AceLeroy]

Not saying that he CHOSE to have a losing season to prove his point. I'm saying that I think that he knew it was coming. He did what he could to keep it from happening, but he knew it was gonna happen (the only question was HOW bad it was going to be). That's more than I can say for a lot of us. I, personally, predicted a 7-4 season with a possibility of 8-3. Shows what I know :p

I think that what he's saying is basically that the cloud has a silver lining. Sure, we had a bad season, but that'll make the success in the future all the more sweet. No hidden meaning here. Take it at face value.

I see what you are saying and I did not mean to imply that you thought he CHOSE to have a losing season. I wasn't disagreeing with you , I was disagreeing with the article written by McKinney.

I , like you , thought before the season started that Ole Miss had a chance to win 7 games. I STILL believe that UM could have won 7 if their offense could have been a little better. Nobody stepped up at QB and that is important. Flatt could have but he got behind the other 2 and had a short time to catch up. I never understood this because I thought last year that he was the best of the 3 UM QBs.

I'm not saying Ole Miss had SEC Title kind of talent , but I do believe they had more than 3-8 talent. I would bet that most UM fans would agree with me that they should have won more than 3 games , in fact , I bet most would have laughed if you would have said before the season that this Ole Miss team would only win 3 games. Even the ones who are patient with Coach O and are willing to give him ample time to win at Ole Miss , were not expecting to win only 3 games this year and for sure weren't expecting to lose to MSU.

Those are the things that make this article so "out of touch" to me.

The opening line of the article was enough to question it.....To paraphrase it......Maybe Orgeron is smarter than we think , not a direct quote but close. Again , this implies that Coach O either lost on purpose or didn't mind losing because this is "exactly what he wanted to happen." I think this insults your intelligence whether you are a MSU fan or an Ole Miss fan.

I can tell you this , this article has been blasted on many sites , a couple of MSU sites by both MSU and UM fans , at least one Ole MIss site and even on Scott's own website . Interesting enough , the thread about this article on ScottMac's website has been deleted. Maybe it has become embarressing for him.

[uscrebel]

That wheezing sound that you hear is the last breath going out of that horse that you have been beating.

Get over it and move on.
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[AceLeroy]

That wheezing sound that you hear is the last breath going out of that horse that you have been beating.

Get over it and move on.
:cool: :cool:

Obviously I wasn't talking to you. My last post was directed at BeeDee. He and I have been having an honest discussion on this topic. He has stated his opinioin and I have stated mine , both without showing any disrespect for each other. I appreciate his honest replies to me in this thread.

Now , If YOU don't like it or think it is a dead horse , then why don't YOU MOVE ON and GET OVER IT??? Why the h*ll are you even reading or responding to this thread if you view it as a dead horse??? DO we need your approval to discuss this??

If this thread is not interesting to you then why don't you go find something that is instead of objecting to us talking about it? Is it your JOB to tell us what we should post about and what we should not?? If we want to keep talking about this article , do we really need your approval to do so??

[uscrebel]

Obviously I wasn't talking to you. My last post was directed at BeeDee. He and I have been having an honest discussion on this topic. He has stated his opinioin and I have stated mine , both without showing any disrespect for each other. I appreciate his honest replies to me in this thread.

Now , If YOU don't like it or think it is a dead horse , then why don't YOU MOVE ON and GET OVER IT??? Why the h*ll are you even reading or responding to this thread if you view it as a dead horse??? DO we need your approval to discuss this??

If this thread is not interesting to you then why don't you go find something that is instead of objecting to us talking about it? Is it your JOB to tell us what we should post about and what we should not?? If we want to keep talking about this article , do we really need your approval to do so??

Ooohhh. I am completely put in my place. I shall never again attempt to offer a critique. The power of your rapier wit and your has cut me to quick. I am but a shell of my previous self.

Or not....





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[Rebeldrummer]

Okay. My bad.

I haven't questioned it because it was written by a clown masquerading as a journalist who is trying to sell column inches.

3-8 no ? but did he want to be in the limelitght even badd press is good press type thing yes . did he want to shake a good ole boy type system at a school and run off teh weak player yes .

[AceLeroy]

3-8 no ? but did he want to be in the limelitght even badd press is good press type thing yes . did he want to shake a good ole boy type system at a school and run off teh weak player yes .

I don't think getting bad press is being in the "limelight"

And while the saying " bad press is better than no press" might be good for actors and celebrities , I'm not sure that bad press is better than no press when it comes to coaches and recruiting.

Good ole boy system at Ole Miss????? Can you explain?

[Cianne]

Good ole boy system at Ole Miss????? Can you explain?

He's probably referring to Cutcliffe's start seniors over the better players system.

[AceLeroy]

He's probably referring to Cutcliffe's start seniors over the better players system.

Ah Yes.....That is the same system Jackie used at MSU , a common fault they shared.