Hmmm them mannings

[RowdyRebel]

Peyton has been so close to it for a few years... and after beating the patriots he is almost to a superbowl guarantee... but if his little brother's team plays their best up until january I believe archie is gonna have to were two toned blue clothes.... I want to see Eli vs Peyton in the Superbowl who agrees?

[scfan5338]

Peyton has been so close to it for a few years... and after beating the patriots he is almost to a superbowl guarantee... but if his little brother's team plays their best up until january I believe archie is gonna have to were two toned blue clothes.... I want to see Eli vs Peyton in the Superbowl who agrees?


hell no. Peyton vs. Delhomme. (Colts vs. Panthers)

[supergenius]

Peyton has been so close to it for a few years... and after beating the patriots he is almost to a superbowl guarantee... but if his little brother's team plays their best up until january I believe archie is gonna have to were two toned blue clothes.... I want to see Eli vs Peyton in the Superbowl who agrees?
I would live if that did not happen. RTR

[SeattleGamecocks]

I still haven't forgiven Eli for his temper tantrum about playing for the Chargers. I just can't pull for him. Besides I think the Superbowl preview will be next weekend when the colts come to town, Christmas Eve I think. I'll be watching on TV from SC. Can't wait to get home!!!

[Jordan]

I still haven't forgiven Eli for his temper tantrum about playing for the Chargers. I just can't pull for him. Besides I think the Superbowl preview will be next weekend when the colts come to town, Christmas Eve I think. I'll be watching on TV from SC. Can't wait to get home!!!
Agreed.... we could very well be seeing the Colts and Seahawks go at it in January. I've been on the Colts bandwagon all season, but I'd have to pull the other way in that matchup. :)

[SeattleGamecocks]

Agreed.... we could very well be seeing the Colts and Seahawks go at it in January. I've been on the Colts bandwagon all season, but I'd have to pull the other way in that matchup. :) You gotta like Peyton Manning. And your Bama boy Shaun Alexander. By the way he's big into doing community work. The commercials are cheesy but he's obviously a guy who cares. It's been interesting to hear all the local sports radio talk/speculation about next week's game. Will Dungy play for the record? Will Holmgren keep starters in if we've locked up homefield advantage? Personally I think professional athletes make their living as entertainers and owe it to the fans, who ultimately are their source of income, to play to win every game. But that's just my unsolicited opinion.

[Jordan]

You gotta like Peyton Manning. And your Bama boy Shaun Alexander. By the way he's big into doing community work. The commercials are cheesy but he's obviously a guy who cares. It's been interesting to hear all the local sports radio talk/speculation about next week's game. Will Dungy play for the record? Will Holmgren keep starters in if we've locked up homefield advantage? Personally I think professional athletes make their living as entertainers and owe it to the fans, who ultimately are their source of income, to play to win every game. But that's just my unsolicited opinion.
Yeah, Shaun Alexander is a class act to say the least. He was always like that in his younger years as well from what I hear.

Also on a couple of instances when I was attending service Calvary Baptist Church in Tuscaloosa, he and his wife attended because they were in town that weekend. From what I hear, that is his normal weekend routine anytime he comes back to Tuscaloosa.


Oh, and as for the playing for entertainment, I completely agree. That's what they're paid to do, and if I were a diehard Colts fan I would be extremely disappointed as a "customer" of the team if they didn't play to win. They've got a chance to make history with their season this year, and as paying customers of their team they definitely owe it to their fans to try and make that happen. They wouldn't have an insanely overpaid job if it weren't for their many fans.

[Cianne]

I still haven't forgiven Eli for his temper tantrum about playing for the Chargers. I just can't pull for him. Besides I think the Superbowl preview will be next weekend when the colts come to town, Christmas Eve I think. I'll be watching on TV from SC. Can't wait to get home!!!

Most of that temper tantrum was the Chargers GM being the ass he's been over the past couple of years. Remember, he's the one that broke the confidence of both the Mannings and Tagliabue by breaking the news to the press.

[rawdawg]

And a Manning STILL has never won a big game... haha sorry, if I didn't do it somebody else would have.

[rebeldude]

And a Manning STILL has never won a big game... haha sorry, if I didn't do it somebody else would have.

They have won a bunch of big games, Just not the big game. :D

[fernandomike]

They have won a bunch of big games, Just not the big game. :D

Yeah, if I am not mistaken, Peyton has an SEC championship ring. That's a fairly big game.

[rebeldude]

Yeah, if I am not mistaken, Peyton has an SEC championship ring. That's a fairly big game.

I believe you are correct. I have to ask you this. Did you get your platinum teeths?

[fernandomike]

I believe you are correct. I have to ask you this. Did you get your platimun teeths?

I did not. Santa said that platinums were not only too expensive, but also too ghetto. I asked him what the price had to do with anything and he said that I was ghetto and stupid too. I guess I got the bad Santa. I'm still smiling though, platinum teeths or not. :D

[supergenius]

Another big game, another choke job by Manning. Like it or not that is how is being labled. Nice job on the backhanded criticism of his teammates however. RTR

[fernandomike]

Another big game, another choke job by Manning. Like it or not that is how is being labled. Nice job on the backhanded criticism of his teammates however. RTR

I think that they got game-planned. I didn't notice Peyton missing any open receivers which he would have if he were choking. What i did notice was a tremendous amount of pressure and some excellent coverage by the Steelers. You can't lay this all on Manning, although I am sure that you feel its your duty to try.

[supergenius]

He gets the credit when they win. so he should shoulder the blame when they lose. He calls the plays and the audibles plus he decides when he team should punt so yes I say he is a choker. His game management in the last 2 minutes was questionable @ best and that is supposed to be his forte. RTR

[fernandomike]

He gets the credit when they win. so he should shoulder the blame when they lose. He calls the plays and the audibles plus he decides when he team should punt so yes I say he is a choker. His game management in the last 2 minutes was questionable @ best and that is supposed to be his forte. RTR

Why should one player shoulder the blame for that loss? Manning gets the credit when they win? Edge and Marvin don't get any? What about Dwight Freeney?
I saw the end of the game where they were in position to tie and then Manning...er...oops...Vanderjadt missed the field goal by a mile. Does he share any of the blame? Dungy?

[supergenius]

Why should one player shoulder the blame for that loss? Manning gets the credit when they win? Edge and Marvin don't get any? What about Dwight Freeney?
I saw the end of the game where they were in position to tie and then Manning...er...oops...Vanderjadt missed the field goal by a mile. Does he share any of the blame? Dungy?
I don't see James, Harrison, or Freeney winning MVP'S or doing 6 different commercial spots. Face it Nando, if he had not played @ ut you would not be defending him. His team had superior personal at almost every position, home field advantage, and had crushed Pitt. earlier in the year. Of course that is when the paper champion is at his best. RTR

[fernandomike]

I don't see James, Harrison, or Freeney winning MVP'S or doing 6 different commercial spots. Face it Nando, if he had not played @ ut you would not be defending him. His team had superior personal at almost every position, home field advantage, and had crushed Pitt. earlier in the year. Of course that is when the paper champion is at his best. RTR

If he had not played at UT, and beaten Bama 3 out of 4, then you wouldn't be attacking him. Furthermore, you are confusing the argument. We are not debating how many MVP's he has or commercials. That is not relevant to whether or not he lost the game for his team. I do not know of a quarterback who could have played well with the heat that the Steelers brought Sunday. Did you blame Brodie for the loss to Auburn? While qb is the most important position, it is not the only important one.
Your comment about superior personel at almost every position is silly.

[supergenius]

If he had not played at UT, and beaten Bama 3 out of 4, then you wouldn't be attacking him. Furthermore, you are confusing the argument. We are not debating how many MVP's he has or commercials. That is not relevant to whether or not he lost the game for his team. I do not know of a quarterback who could have played well with the heat that the Steelers brought Sunday. Did you blame Brodie for the loss to Auburn? While qb is the most important position, it is not the only important one.
Your comment about superior personel at almost every position is silly.
I base my arguments on facts, not collegiate allegiances. Nando, this just in; quarterbacks get most of the blame when their team loses! As for my silly argument about the Colts having superior players, I refer you to the number of Pro-Bowl players the Colts will be sending to Hawaii. RTR

[fernandomike]

As for my silly argument about the Colts having superior players, I refer you to the number of Pro-Bowl players the Colts will be sending to Hawaii. RTR

If you had simply said that the Colts have superior players, then I would have agreed. But, in a supergenius sort of way, you had to overstate things by saying at nearly every position. I think that Pittsburgh has a better overall defense than Indy, whether it be because of scheme or players. That's obviously an entire side of the ball.
In regard to Manning, quarterbacks do get too much of the credit and too of the blame. The media has led us to believe that all you need to win a superbowl is a great quarterback which is ridiculous. They've dumbed things down for us.

[rabidcock]

They've dumbed things down for us.

A great QB must be surrounded by some serious beef and other great players.

The phrase "he can't win the big one" is massively stupid!

[supergenius]

A great QB must be surrounded by some serious beef and other great players.

The phrase "he can't win the big one" is massively stupid!
How much better can Manning's supporting cast be in this salary cap era. His wr's are excellent, tightend is very good, ol must be pretty good, Manning is always sacked the least in the NFL. RTR

[fernandomike]

How much better can Manning's supporting cast be in this salary cap era. His wr's are excellent, tightend is very good, ol must be pretty good, Manning is always sacked the least in the NFL. RTR

Part of the reason that he is sacked so seldomly is the fact that his release is so quick. You are right on this occasion though, Manning has an excellent offensive supporting cast. They have even improved their defense. However, Pittsburgh is not chopped liver. Also, you choose to blame Manning for the loss without mention of any other person on the team. That is the ultimate demonstation of your bias. No mention of Dungy? The other all-stars? For you, its all about Manning and that's rather transparent.

[supergenius]

Part of the reason that he is sacked so seldomly is the fact that his release is so quick. You are right on this occasion though, Manning has an excellent offensive supporting cast. They have even improved their defense. However, Pittsburgh is not chopped liver. Also, you choose to blame Manning for the loss without mention of any other person on the team. That is the ultimate demonstation of your bias. No mention of Dungy? The other all-stars? For you, its all about Manning and that's rather transparent.
You are what is transparent here my friend. Of course there are others to blame. Take off those orange colored glasses before you go blind. RTR

[fernandomike]

You are what is transparent here my friend. Of course there are others to blame. Take off those orange colored glasses before you go blind. RTR

Review all your posts in this thread and show me where you even once suggested anyone was to blame except for Manning. I eagerly await your reference to said post.
Anyway, at least you finally admitted the obvious. I was beginning to think that supergenius brain of yours have grown impenetrable. :)

[Jordan]

The fault lies in the team as a whole. There were mistakes by just about everyone out there this weekend, including the coaches.

Plus, I think a big mistake leading up to this game was all of the "off time" that many of the starters had in the previous few weeks. They were really on a roll all season, and ticking at the right pace. You start sitting people out and resting them, and in my opinion you throw off the team's timing/rhythm.

We saw that Indy came out looking awful in the first quarter and couldn't get anything done. Once they got warmed up a little bit, they began looking better and came back to at least make a game out of it. If they'd not been so "cold" (again, my opinion) at the beginning of the game, then I think they would have come out on top of the scoreboard.

[supergenius]

Review all your posts in this thread and show me where you even once suggested anyone was to blame except for Manning. I eagerly await your reference to said post.
Anyway, at least you finally admitted the obvious. I was beginning to think that supergenius brain of yours have grown impenetrable. :)
The point of my posts have not been to place blame but merely to state that Peyton fails miserbly in the "big" games. Based on Eli's performance it must be hereditary. :eek: RTR

[fernandomike]

The fault lies in the team as a whole. There were mistakes by just about everyone out there this weekend, including the coaches.

Plus, I think a big mistake leading up to this game was all of the "off time" that many of the starters had in the previous few weeks. They were really on a roll all season, and ticking at the right pace. You start sitting people out and resting them, and in my opinion you throw off the team's timing/rhythm.

We saw that Indy came out looking awful in the first quarter and couldn't get anything done. Once they got warmed up a little bit, they began looking better and came back to at least make a game out of it. If they'd not been so "cold" (again, my opinion) at the beginning of the game, then I think they would have come out on top of the scoreboard.

Now, that's just downright reasonable. I hope that you are getting this Super.

[fernandomike]

The point of my posts have not been to place blame but merely to state that Peyton fails miserbly in the "big" games. Based on Eli's performance it must be hereditary. :eek: RTR

Super, if Indy had won this game then it wouldn't have been considered a big game and you know that. You can't have it both ways. I am quite sure that Indy has won playoff games. Were none of them big? Was his SEC title not a big game?

[supergenius]

Super, if Indy had won this game then if wouldn't have been considered a big game and you know that. You can't have it both ways. I am quite sure that Indy has won playoff games. Were none of them big? Was his SEC title not a big game?
There you go again insinuating and assuming! As for the lone SEC Title game that Peyton won, is it ever a big game when Miss. St. is involved? :cool: RTR

[fernandomike]

There you go again insinuating and assuming! As for the lone SEC Title game that Peyton won, is it ever a big game when Miss. St. is involved? :cool: RTR

I am quite sure that State had to earn their way there since they don't give out free passes to the championship game. Pretty much had to beat out everybody in the west, didn't they?

[rabidcock]

Pretty much had to beat out everybody in the west, didn't they?

OUCH!! ;)

[fernandomike]

OUCH!! ;)

Our self-proclaimed Supergenius is able to argue page after page without even a semblance of logic. Perhaps, he will agree to establish some boundaries in this discussion by giving us his definition of what constitutes a big game since apparently the SEC championship game is not one.

[supergenius]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/060116
http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume5/2006-0111-manning.html


RTR

[fernandomike]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=gallo/060116
http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume5/2006-0111-manning.html


RTR

Hey Super, thanks for the links to espn and the sportspickle. I'll be sure to add the later to my personal list of favorites. Anyway, you failed to define the term "big game" for the purposes of determining the truth of whether or not Manning has actually ever won any. Why am I not surprised?

[supergenius]

Hey Super, thanks for the links to espn and the sportspickle. I'll be sure to add the later to my personal list of favorites. Anyway, you failed to define the term "big game" for the purposes of determining the truth of whether or not Manning has actually ever won any. Why am I not surprised?
There is really no sense in contining to argue with a homer such as yourself. RTR

[ScreamingTiger]

Some funny Manning farks here: Frankenstien P. Manning (http://screamingtiger.com/farkitbb/showthread.php?t=108) :D

[fernandomike]

Some funny Manning farks here: Frankenstien P. Manning (http://screamingtiger.com/farkitbb/showthread.php?t=108) :D

Those are pretty funny.