Well ESPN has more to cry about this week

[TidePride]

Atlanta Journal Constitution reports,

Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville has picked up support for his contention that ESPN has too much power over college football.

"They do have a lot of power — and I wish they would use it fairly," South Carolina coach Steve Spurrier said Wednesday. "I wish they would say everybody is pretty good and leave it at that rather than maybe picking out some schools, saying how great they are and how wonderful it is there compared to other places.

"I think they should be pretty even with all of the schools and not pick out some and praise them excessively. That's just my opinion."

Spurrier wouldn't say which schools he thinks ESPN excessively praises. "I don't want to get into all of that," he said. "I just think they need to be general in their compliments and criticisms."

I guess we have to listen to them cry about this for 6 or 7 days now :rolleyes:

[All about the UF]

Yeah you can almost bet they will try to turn this into a big thing when it obviously ture. Im pretty sure that everyone knows whom he was referring to(The other USC). lmao.

[nooneLT]

but you see how spurrier doesn't mention names or teams. take notes tommy!

[bamafan0001]

Im all for Tommy and Spurrier calling out ESPN, I wish Shula would too, but I realize that right now he can not because he is still undefeated. I also like the idea someone had the other day about if the SEC went undefeated again and got "snubbed" that we should snub a second tier bowl game. (See the 1972 USA olympic basketball team vs. Soviet Union) I also know that it would never happen, but as far as changing the bowl system imagine if we boycotted a bowl game, or if the SEC as a whole boycotted a whole bowl season! The bowl format couldn't change fast enough and I bet we'd get a plus one then.

[VOLCANIC]

I think the SEC should protest the joke of a sports network that ESPN claims to be. They should not let ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ESPNClassic, or any ESPN affiliated station televise any game involving an SEC team. ESPN would stand to lose a lot of money by filling those spots with whatever is left, which will, more often than not, be mid-major teams with small viewing audiences. Hit em where it hurts.
ESPN has way too much power. They singlehandedly hand out the Heisman to whomever they want to each year, especially was the case in 1997. Feel free to call it sour grapes on my part, as many of you will, but there is no way Charles Woodson deserved that Heisman more than Peyton Manning. A defensive back winning the Heisman? Carl Pickens had better numbers than Woodson did when he was a two-way player. Pickens had more interceptions and more receiving yards. All anyone talked about was that amazing interception that Woodson went up with one hand and brought down. Now that was an amazing play, I admit, but look at how many amazing plays that Peyton made. The same thing happened when Eric Crouch won it over Rex Grossman because of the one play that Neo had in his sig recently, albeit an incredibly play on the part of Crouch.
Clearly the media has a bias against the SEC (Auburn not in the NC last year) and that bias is fueled by ESPN.
So for Alabama, if you do go undefeated and win the SECCG, you might as well bend down and grab your ankles, cause you're gonna get screwed.

[BAMAMARINE]

So for Alabama, if you do go undefeated and win the SECCG, you might as well bend down and grab your ankles, cause you're gonna get screwed.

Yeah with the enfamous "GREEN WEENIE" :D

[OmahaBound]

if i had to vote i would have the top 4 exactly like it is in the current polls, and while i would have felt bad for auburn i would have sent oklahoma to play socal last year. i guess i'm biased against the SEC too.

[volimhtown]

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of reading about all of this garbage. And it is just that...garbage!! You guys, and now the coaches, sound like a bunch of whiny 2nd graders. ESPN doesn't like me.....boooohoooohooooo!!! Get over it.
If you don't like it, change the d@mn channel and shut up!! The irony here is that you guys are probably glued to ESPN the majority of the day on Saturdays. Holy crap, you mean that the analysts of a major television network may actually influence the minds of voters and simple minded people in general with their opinions??? What a f@cking news flash!!! That has NEVER happened before!! WOW...thanks for enlightening us!! If the polls don't make sense to the legions of the posters on here who can't even type a legible and gramatically correct sentence, then where does the fault lay?? Last time I checked, the ESPN network did not have a vote in the polls or for the Heisman winner. So, please enlighten me to your illogical argument.

id say wes best piket aganst that awfull tv stashun! they not fare!!!!

Give us all a break, idiots!!!

[RW13]

ESPN is a bunch of idiots, not us, just letting you know, also Dan Patrick and Colin Cowherd were born as hermaphrodites (they were born with a large vagina and a small penis), this has led to their attitude problems towards the SEC...

[volimhtown]

ESPN is a bunch of idiots, not us, just letting you know, also Dan Patrick and Colin Cowherd were born as hermaphrodites (they were born with a large vagina and a small penis), this has led to their attitude problems towards the SEC...
Thanks for the anatomy lesson, I guess. :eek: :eek:
So...to make sure I follow you....Hermaphrodites don't like the SEC, there are 2 hermaphrodites that work at ESPN, and therefore, it can be concluded that ESPN is a bunch of idiots. OK....
Thanks for clearing that up for me. Nice post!!! :rolleyes:

To that effort, here's a word of advice: Don't dance with the girl with the large adam's apple. :)

[uscrebel]

but you see how spurrier doesn't mention names or teams. take notes tommy!

Amen, Brother Noonie.

[VOLCANIC]

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of reading about all of this garbage. And it is just that...garbage!! You guys, and now the coaches, sound like a bunch of whiny 2nd graders. ESPN doesn't like me.....boooohoooohooooo!!! Get over it.
If you don't like it, change the d@mn channel and shut up!! The irony here is that you guys are probably glued to ESPN the majority of the day on Saturdays. Holy crap, you mean that the analysts of a major television network may actually influence the minds of voters and simple minded people in general with their opinions??? What a f@cking news flash!!! That has NEVER happened before!! WOW...thanks for enlightening us!! If the polls don't make sense to the legions of the posters on here who can't even type a legible and gramatically correct sentence, then where does the fault lay?? Last time I checked, the ESPN network did not have a vote in the polls or for the Heisman winner. So, please enlighten me to your illogical argument.

id say wes best piket aganst that awfull tv stashun! they not fare!!!!

Give us all a break, idiots!!!

Simma down, now....

You must work for ESPN or something to get that bent out of shape over this and to draw the conclusion that the posters on this board are incapable of typing out a legible sentence (by the way, there are 2 m's in the word grammatically, good try though)

Just about everyone in the SEC recognizes the media bias toward this conference and that is largely fueled by ESPN. Coaches who vote don't have time to watch each game and so they have to count on sports highlights to sway their vote. Who again is the king of sports highlights?

And before you try to make the assumption that I can't spell because you don't agree with my point of view, try to find a misspelled word first....

[uscrebel]

Yeah you can almost bet they will try to turn this into a big thing when it obviously ture. Im pretty sure that everyone knows whom he was referring to (The other USC). lmao.

That would be THE USC to you, Lizard Boy.
:cool: :cool:

[supergenius]

That would be THE USC to you, Lizard Boy.
:cool: :cool:
Can anyone else feel the love in the air? :D RTR

[Cianne]

You must work for ESPN or something to get that bent out of shape over this and to draw the conclusion that the posters on this board are incapable of typing out a legible sentence (by the way, there are 2 m's in the word grammatically, good try though)

You left out a period here. :)

Coaches who vote don't have time to watch each game and so they have to count on sports highlights to sway their vote.

You needed to include a comma here to separate your two independent clauses.

However, you are right about your spelling. It is quite impeccable.
:D

[VOLCANIC]

However, you are right about your spelling. It is quite impeccable.
:D

Thank You Mr. Cianne. May I go to recess now? :D

[Cianne]

Thank You Mr. Cianne. May I go to recess now? :D

No! To the corner with you! :p

[RW13]

Thanks for the anatomy lesson, I guess. :eek: :eek:
So...to make sure I follow you....Hermaphrodites don't like the SEC, there are 2 hermaphrodites that work at ESPN, and therefore, it can be concluded that ESPN is a bunch of idiots. OK....
Thanks for clearing that up for me. Nice post!!! :rolleyes:

To that effort, here's a word of advice: Don't dance with the girl with the large adam's apple. :)

No problem, and also avoid any muscular women or women with a good amount of facial/arm hair, always good indicators....

[TidePride]

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of reading about all of this garbage. And it is just that...garbage!! You guys, and now the coaches, sound like a bunch of whiny 2nd graders. ESPN doesn't like me.....boooohoooohooooo!!! Get over it.
If you don't like it, change the d@mn channel and shut up!! The irony here is that you guys are probably glued to ESPN the majority of the day on Saturdays. Holy crap, you mean that the analysts of a major television network may actually influence the minds of voters and simple minded people in general with their opinions??? What a f@cking news flash!!! That has NEVER happened before!! WOW...thanks for enlightening us!! If the polls don't make sense to the legions of the posters on here who can't even type a legible and gramatically correct sentence, then where does the fault lay?? Last time I checked, the ESPN network did not have a vote in the polls or for the Heisman winner. So, please enlighten me to your illogical argument.

id say wes best piket aganst that awfull tv stashun! they not fare!!!!

Give us all a break, idiots!!!


Ok since I started this thread I will explain my problem with ESPN, It is with the volume of time they spend defending themselves over this topic. I listen to ESPN radio all day in my office and the Tubby comment was discussed no less than 20 times a day last week, They had a NBA star come on to talk about the dress code and they asked him what he thought about the situation! WTF why would his opinion matter to anyone!? ESPN felt threatened by the comments and went out of their way to make Tubberville look foolish when all they had to do was try to understand the point he was trying to make. Tubby and Spurrier failed in expressing the point they were making and left it open for ESPN to take advantage of.

As for the bias, I will leave that up to each person to decide for themselves, it is always fun to come in as the surprize underdog like the Tide did in 92 and prove the so called experts wrong.

[volimhtown]

Simma down, now....

You must work for ESPN or something to get that bent out of shape over this and to draw the conclusion that the posters on this board are incapable of typing out a legible sentence (by the way, there are 2 m's in the word grammatically, good try though)

Just about everyone in the SEC recognizes the media bias toward this conference and that is largely fueled by ESPN. Coaches who vote don't have time to watch each game and so they have to count on sports highlights to sway their vote. Who again is the king of sports highlights?

And before you try to make the assumption that I can't spell because you don't agree with my point of view, try to find a misspelled word first....
Thanks for the correction, and just for the record, I'm not a big ESPN fan myself.
I guess that if you felt personally attacked then that's on you. The assertion is, by this and so many other like threads, that since an SEC team does not reside atop the polls, that they are unsatisfactory. Likewise, if whatever talking heads are on ESPN at any given time don't talk of the "dominance" of the SEC that they are somehow idiots. That's just crap. Too many do not want to face the fact that there simply are not any really good SEC teams to talk about this season in conjunction with USC and Texas. Now Bama could change all of that if they were to win out, but since they still have alot of "meat" left on their schedule, that hasn't happened to this point. Face it, the SEC just isn't as dominant as they once were. Does that mean they still aren't the best conference in the country?? NO!! But the gap is steadily closing and has been for many years. The talk of this by whoever on ESPN immediately resulted in a rash of goofy posts and thoughts that there is a bias against the SEC. When one refuses to face facts, they resort to excuses...which leads us back to your argument.
I guess on the other side of the coin, I feel that your assumption that ESPN, by their very existance, somehow influences the voters is largely over stated. Believe it or not, coaches and media writers had to cast votes in polls way before ESPN came around. To your point, if anything, the fact that there is so much TV coverage and that the voters can see highlights of every game which they otherwise might not see probably legitimizes the polls even moreso now than ever. So, again, show me the fault in that!!

[uscrebel]

Im all for Tommy and Spurrier calling out ESPN, I wish Shula would too, but I realize that right now he can not because he is still undefeated. I also like the idea someone had the other day about if the SEC went undefeated again and got "snubbed" that we should snub a second tier bowl game. (See the 1972 USA olympic basketball team vs. Soviet Union) I also know that it would never happen, but as far as changing the bowl system imagine if we boycotted a bowl game, or if the SEC as a whole boycotted a whole bowl season! The bowl format couldn't change fast enough and I bet we'd get a plus one then.

Let me get this straight. You are suggesting that should Alabama go undefeated and not play in the Rose Bowl, that you think that they should walk away from the Sugar to "show them ESPN commies a thing or two."

Well, Brainiac...let me tell you exactly why it will not happen.

1. REVENUE: The Sugar Bowl will payout about $16 Million dollars this year. About $2 Million off the top will go to the team to pay expenses. The rest will go to the conference office to be split evenly among the 12 conference members. So, Kentucky will get the same $1.2 million as LSU. Do you really think that Shula's balls are big enough to pizz off every AD and head coach in the league?

2. EXPOSURE: I'm hoping that Alabama offers you the AD job tomorrow. Because at the end of the year, we are going to be scrapping for recruits in the Border wars with BAMA, LSU, ARK, and AUBURN. (Not Tennessee... we're building a fence there.) Since Alabama will not be on TV because you got a giant hairy bug up your azz, the recruits will say, "Hmm. I think I'll go to Ole Miss, because if they get a post-season offer, I know they'll take it. Those fools at BAMA might get their feelings hurt and decide not to go again. (LSU and AUBURN would be particularly happy, because one of them would likely go in your place.)

3. MONEY: No, this is not the same as revenue. Your boosters will be bent out of shape that you decided to screw up their vacation by not going to a game. Contributions will slow down.

There are at least ten other reasons, but they all boil down to this. Alabama will gratefully and gladly accept ANY post-season berth that they get. After hovering near death for several years, I don't think that this program is in any position to complain about anything.

More importantly, you have to get through at least three pretty tough games in order to stay undefeated. There are a few of us who, as much as we like Alabama, think that it will be very hard for Bama to go 12-0. In addition, there are a bunch of Bama-haters that would love for Bama to slip.

So, until you get to the 12-0 mark and until you get snubbed by the BCS...don't complain about it.

:cool: :cool:

[nooneLT]

no team will ever refuse a bowl game :/

money and exposure...

[TidePride]

Personally the only reason I would want Va Tech to win out this year is so two conferences will get screwed in the BCS it is obvious one conference getting screwed is not enough of a reason to fix anything so maybe two will be.

(this is of course if Alabama also wins out)

[supergenius]

no team will ever refuse a bowl game :/

money and exposure...
Michigan is seriously thinking of refusing any non-New Years' Day Bowl. RTR

[TidePride]

Michigan is seriously thinking of refusing any non-New Years' Day Bowl. RTR


What exactly makes them think they are entitled to anything?

[uscrebel]

Michigan is seriously thinking of refusing any non-New Years' Day Bowl. RTR


The way they are playing, they will not have to worry about any bowl games...New Years Day or otherwise. :cool:

[VOLCANIC]

Thanks for the correction, and just for the record, I'm not a big ESPN fan myself.
I guess that if you felt personally attacked then that's on you. The assertion is, by this and so many other like threads, that since an SEC team does not reside atop the polls, that they are unsatisfactory. Likewise, if whatever talking heads are on ESPN at any given time don't talk of the "dominance" of the SEC that they are somehow idiots. That's just crap. Too many do not want to face the fact that there simply are not any really good SEC teams to talk about this season in conjunction with USC and Texas. Now Bama could change all of that if they were to win out, but since they still have alot of "meat" left on their schedule, that hasn't happened to this point. Face it, the SEC just isn't as dominant as they once were. Does that mean they still aren't the best conference in the country?? NO!! But the gap is steadily closing and has been for many years. The talk of this by whoever on ESPN immediately resulted in a rash of goofy posts and thoughts that there is a bias against the SEC. When one refuses to face facts, they resort to excuses...which leads us back to your argument.
I guess on the other side of the coin, I feel that your assumption that ESPN, by their very existance, somehow influences the voters is largely over stated. Believe it or not, coaches and media writers had to cast votes in polls way before ESPN came around. To your point, if anything, the fact that there is so much TV coverage and that the voters can see highlights of every game which they otherwise might not see probably legitimizes the polls even moreso now than ever. So, again, show me the fault in that!!

First of all, I don't disagree with the polls right now anyways. I don't think there are any SEC teams that are above and beyond this year. But do you honestly think that if Texas and/or SoCal were to play in this league, that they would still be as good as they are?
But again, the media has all but picked them already to play for the title and if they both win out, they are going to play for a championship. Meanwhile Virginia Tech may be undefeated and on the outside looking in, even though they play in a tougher conference than the Pac-10 or Big 12.
Alabama might, and I stress might because they will likely lose to LSU, be on the outside looking in as well because they win with defense and don't win in a flashy style.
Its not right and it won't be under the current system. Don't get me wrong, I would enjoy a Texas and Socal game. That would be a pairing of the two sexiest teams in college football. However, a win is a win regardless of how nice or ugly it is and all undefeated teams should have a shot at the title somehow. But in this world, ESPN gets to pick who thats gonna be.....

[SilverBritches]

The ironic thing about Spurrier's comments, when he was at Florida, he would use ESPN clips praising Florida in his recruiting video that he showed to recruits. Of course he didn't mind ESPN when they were praising his Florida teams, but now things are different aren't they.

[volimhtown]

First of all, I don't disagree with the polls right now anyways. I don't think there are any SEC teams that are above and beyond this year. But do you honestly think that if Texas and/or SoCal were to play in this league, that they would still be as good as they are?
But again, the media has all but picked them already to play for the title and if they both win out, they are going to play for a championship. Meanwhile Virginia Tech may be undefeated and on the outside looking in, even though they play in a tougher conference than the Pac-10 or Big 12.
Alabama might, and I stress might because they will likely lose to LSU, be on the outside looking in as well because they win with defense and don't win in a flashy style.
Its not right and it won't be under the current system. Don't get me wrong, I would enjoy a Texas and Socal game. That would be a pairing of the two sexiest teams in college football. However, a win is a win regardless of how nice or ugly it is and all undefeated teams should have a shot at the title somehow. But in this world, ESPN gets to pick who thats gonna be.....
First off, not that I give a d@mn about them, but if you're going to dink someone with negative rep points, at least be man enough to leave a comment!! :mad:
Secondly, if you don't have a problem with the polls right now, then where's your beef?? Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?? That makes no sense!! You're chasing your tail...one minute ESPN is a bunch of idiots because they control the polls, but then you state that you have no problem with the polls. Well, which is it?? If you're arguing based on what MIGHT happen, I would suggest that that's like pissing in the wind. If all 4 undefeated teams win out, then we have a debate, but until such time....
Finally, I'm still waiting on a logical explanation as to how ESPN controls the polls and Heisman race. I'm not suggesting that they don't have a bit of influence, but to blame them for whatever disagreeances you have is kind of silly. Again, if you have such disdain for ESPN, simply change the channel!!

[TidalFury18]

no team will ever refuse a bowl game :/

money and exposure...

Actually, ND displayed such rebellion one year in the mid 90s...

[Jordan]

Just curious.....

How's this pan out with all the S. Carolina fans that disagreed with Tubberville calling out ESPN? I know Spurrier's comments weren't quite as slamming, but still they both made their comments with the same general intention.

I'm not saying anything bad about Spurrier on this, so don't slam me for this post. :) I don't have a problem with either one of these guy's comments. I'm in agreement with them on many of their points. And if ESPN is free to talk about them to millions of viewers, then they should be able to do the same back at ESPN. Just my opinion...

[JerryBeeds]

I blame the media blamers... :p

[uscrebel]

Actually, ND displayed such rebellion one year in the mid 90s...

Yeah...it did wonders for their program, didn't it?
:cool:

Likewise, ND is not part of a conference and doesn't have to deal with shorting the other conference members.
:cool:

Finally, ND could boycott football for the rest of the decade and it wouldn't bother me.

[GTmorris1970]

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of reading about all of this garbage. And it is just that...garbage!! You guys, and now the coaches, sound like a bunch of whiny 2nd graders. ESPN doesn't like me.....boooohoooohooooo!!! Get over it.
If you don't like it, change the d@mn channel and shut up!! The irony here is that you guys are probably glued to ESPN the majority of the day on Saturdays. Holy crap, you mean that the analysts of a major television network may actually influence the minds of voters and simple minded people in general with their opinions??? What a f@cking news flash!!! That has NEVER happened before!! WOW...thanks for enlightening us!! If the polls don't make sense to the legions of the posters on here who can't even type a legible and gramatically correct sentence, then where does the fault lay?? Last time I checked, the ESPN network did not have a vote in the polls or for the Heisman winner. So, please enlighten me to your illogical argument.

id say wes best piket aganst that awfull tv stashun! they not fare!!!!

Give us all a break, idiots!!!

Spurrier was simply speaking his mind, which he probably knows a little more about the situation than you do, and could probably care less what you think. At least he has the nads to speak up.

[cocky4ever]

Just curious.....

How's this pan out with all the S. Carolina fans that disagreed with Tubberville calling out ESPN? I know Spurrier's comments weren't quite as slamming, but still they both made their comments with the same general intention.

I'm not saying anything bad about Spurrier on this, so don't slam me for this post. :) I don't have a problem with either one of these guy's comments. I'm in agreement with them on many of their points. And if ESPN is free to talk about them to millions of viewers, then they should be able to do the same back at ESPN. Just my opinion...

I dont really have a problem with what Tuberville or Spurrier said. I would have to say that the standings have the top 3 teams in the country right. I would, however, say that if Va Tech goes undefeated and doesnt get a shot at the title it would be completely crap. Therein lies the problem and the root of the frustrations that they are getting at. The problem is that college football doesnt have a definitive champion. At the end of each season there is usually more questions than answers. With more questions than answers the analyst(whomever they work for) can more easily direct the arguments and points because there is no way to know for sure if they are right or wrong. This season is going just like last year except instead of jumping on OU's jock at the beginning of the season they jumped on Texas' and instead of an SEC that deserved a shot at the title being denied it will be an ACC team. That is if all things go the way it seems they will.

I still say the bigger problem is preseason polls and not as much ESPN cramming certain teams accomplishments down our throats. Va Tech started on the outside looking in and never had a chance to do anything other than have a perfect record at the end of the season and have nothing to show for it. However, I would say that ESPN does have a substantial amount of influence on the voting. If they didnt then someone please explain to me why So Cal can go through the Pac 10 with a loss and end up sharing a championship with LSU but Auburn go through the SEC undefeated and not get crap?

[Noah.Dreams]

I applaud Southern Cal and Texas for running the gauntlet as the number one and two ranked teams the entire season. That is a tremendous accomplishment in it's own right and they deserve to play for the championship.

Having the BCS reaffirm Alabama's accomplishments with a chance to play for the title would be great, but if it doesn't happen that's ok too because I understood those rules before the season started. The fruits of this season will pay dividends for many years to come. For once in many years, I can fully enjoy just being in the midst of a college football season.

Winning heals all wounds.

[GamecockDieHard]

On ESPN tonight, "whiskers" and "jug-head" were going down the list of topics. Spurrier came up and jug-head about busted a blood vessel declaring they were only doing their job and that Spurrier should get over it. Whiskers continued to applaud Spurrier's talents but agreed they wouldn't change their approach. Mainly talking about how Spurrier had suggested they rate "all programs as pretty good." First of all they both missed Spurs point. Spurs was complaining mainly, I think, about that idiot corset-o and only because he had been spewing off about how "no decent talent will go to this and such school." It had to do with the idiots at ESPN basically telling top recruits (on the air) that you don't want to go to this school when you can go to this other one. I couldn't believe they are soooo stupid. Jug-head is on meth, IMO.

[JerryBeeds]

On ESPN tonight, "whiskers" and "jug-head" were going down the list of topics. Spurrier came up and jug-head about busted a blood vessel declaring they were only doing their job and that Spurrier should get over it. Whiskers continued to applaud Spurrier's talents but agreed they wouldn't change their approach. Mainly talking about how Spurrier had suggested they rate "all programs as pretty good." First of all they both missed Spurs point. Spurs was complaining mainly, I think, about that idiot corset-o and only because he had been spewing off about how "no decent talent will go to this and such school." It had to do with the idiots at ESPN basically telling top recruits (on the air) that you don't want to go to this school when you can go to this other one. I couldn't believe they are soooo stupid. Jug-head is on meth, IMO.

Great post Diehard.

[GTmorris1970]

Just curious.....

How's this pan out with all the S. Carolina fans that disagreed with Tubberville calling out ESPN? I know Spurrier's comments weren't quite as slamming, but still they both made their comments with the same general intention.

I'm not saying anything bad about Spurrier on this, so don't slam me for this post. :) I don't have a problem with either one of these guy's comments. I'm in agreement with them on many of their points. And if ESPN is free to talk about them to millions of viewers, then they should be able to do the same back at ESPN. Just my opinion...

For me Spurrier knows how to put things a little more classy than Tubberville, still getting the point across. :cool:

[thethrill]

Thanks for the correction, and just for the record, I'm not a big ESPN fan myself.
I guess that if you felt personally attacked then that's on you. The assertion is, by this and so many other like threads, that since an SEC team does not reside atop the polls, that they are unsatisfactory. Likewise, if whatever talking heads are on ESPN at any given time don't talk of the "dominance" of the SEC that they are somehow idiots. That's just crap. Too many do not want to face the fact that there simply are not any really good SEC teams to talk about this season in conjunction with USC and Texas. Now Bama could change all of that if they were to win out, but since they still have alot of "meat" left on their schedule, that hasn't happened to this point. Face it, the SEC just isn't as dominant as they once were. Does that mean they still aren't the best conference in the country?? NO!! But the gap is steadily closing and has been for many years. The talk of this by whoever on ESPN immediately resulted in a rash of goofy posts and thoughts that there is a bias against the SEC. When one refuses to face facts, they resort to excuses...which leads us back to your argument.
I guess on the other side of the coin, I feel that your assumption that ESPN, by their very existance, somehow influences the voters is largely over stated. Believe it or not, coaches and media writers had to cast votes in polls way before ESPN came around. To your point, if anything, the fact that there is so much TV coverage and that the voters can see highlights of every game which they otherwise might not see probably legitimizes the polls even moreso now than ever. So, again, show me the fault in that!!


I know you say you're a Vol, but I'm starting to have my doubts. You say the SEC may still be the best conference in the country, but the gap is steadily closing and has been for years. While the ACC has closed the gap by hand-picking the best teams from the BigEast last year(Miami, VaTech, BC), exactly what other conferences are closing this gap. It d@mn sure ain't the Big12. The Big10 and Pac10 aren't closing the gap either.
My solution to the whole bias argument and BCS mess would be to let the SEC champ play the ACC champ every year, the winner takes on whoever ESPN or the BCS picks as the champs. I bet the SEC/ACC champ wins 9 out of 10.

[Neo]

The same thing happened when Eric Crouch won it over Rex Grossman because of the one play that Neo had in his sig recently, albeit an incredibly play on the part of Crouch.

Oh c'mon man! :rolleyes:

Eric Crouch deserved the Heisman Trophy and if you're trying to argue that Rex Grossman deserved it, then you're outta your mind. :cool:

It wasn't just ONE play that caused Crouch to win the Heisman like you're implying. That was just one viewing of the playmaking ability that Eric Crouch had. :cool:

To say that Eric Crouch didn't deserve the Heisman is insane. :cool:

[OmahaBound]

The Big10 and Pac10 aren't closing the gap either.

I disagree. They are certainly behind still, but it's closer than it's been in awhile.

SoCal is the best team in the country, and unlike last year where Cal and AzSt. were the only decent teams there are a handful this year. UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Arizona State, and USC all have some talent, and there are a couple other young teams that could be decent in a couple of years.

The Big 10 isn't as dominant as it was in the mid-90s, but it's much better than it has been thanks in large part to the re-emergence of Penn St. and Northwestern. Michigan is having a down year due in large part to injuries, but they'll be back. Next year you could end up with any combination of Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, Michigan St., Penn St., Minnesota, Ohio St. all in the top 25, with Iowa St. and Northwestern getting some votes. That's not too shabby of a conference there. Oh yeah, and don't forget about Purdue. They're having a terrible year this year, but they're just underperforming like Tennessee this year. Obviously all these teams can't be in the poll at the same time since they'll beat each other up, but at various times you could see any combination of them in the poll or receiving votes.

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

Oh c'mon man! :rolleyes:

Eric Crouch deserved the Heisman Trophy and if you're trying to argue that Rex Grossman deserved it, then you're outta your mind. :cool:

It wasn't just ONE play that caused Crouch to win the Heisman like you're implying. That was just one viewing of the playmaking ability that Eric Crouch had. :cool:

To say that Eric Crouch didn't deserve the Heisman is insane. :cool:
Hey NEO did Crouch deserve that Heisman after the 30+ beat down by Colorado, and he certainly proved himself in that National Championship beat down as well:cool: If Grossman wasnt a sophmore he would've won the Heisman. CFN recently ranked Crouch as the second worst Heisman winner of all-time, saying the exact same thing I just said.

[Neo]

Hey NEO did Crouch deserve that Heisman after the 30+ beat down by Colorado, and he certainly proved himself in that National Championship beat down as well:cool:


So what if they lost to Colorado? :rolleyes: As for the National Championship game, apparently Miami whipped a lot of top-tier teams that year so that's irrevelant. I don't think anyone could have defeated the Canes that year.



If Grossman wasnt a sophmore he would've won the Heisman. CFN recently ranked Crouch as the second worst Heisman winner of all-time, saying the exact same thing I just said.


That's an opinion and not fact. At least statistics don't lie. Eric Crouch's statistics were dominant and at one time, he set college football records. Some of his records have been broken since, but that doesn't make them any less credible. I can tell you really haven't seen nor really researched Eric's abilities or stats. If you did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. As for CollegeFootballNews.com, they're a freaking joke. I cannot believe so many people actually pay attention to those a$$clowns.

Since we're talking Heisman winners, let's look at Heisman winners that got their butts handed to them at least ONCE. :cool:

1992: Gino Toretta/Miami, FL - Sugar Bowl (Alabama)
1997: Danny Wuerffel/Florida - Georgia
2003: Jason White/Oklahoma - Big XII CCG (Kansas St.)


Now keep in mind, those are the ones that I can think of offhand. Everyone gets a buttcutting at one time or another. I may be 100% for the SEC, but to say that Grossman deserved the Heisman over Crouch is just plain stupid and insane. :cool: