Your opinions on best NCAAF champion selection

[TidePride]

Plus one system? 8 team playoff? dropping BCS and going back to old system? What would you guys like to see happen?

[Denny Chimes]

Plus one system? 8 team playoff? dropping BCS and going back to old system? What would you guys like to see happen?
I would like to go back to the old system but as a Bama fan, I would be accused of living in the past again.
:rolleyes:

[TidePride]

Heh, most of the old school bama fans I have talked to accuse the coaches and media of intentionally voting Bama lower. :) (Sour grapes for Bama beating up on their teams) :)

[jneesy]

8 team playoff for me

[WDavE]

Heh, most of the old school bama fans I have talked to accuse the coaches and media of intentionally voting Bama lower. :) (Sour grapes for Bama beating up on their teams) :)

Most of our consternation was not about you beating up on our teams. It was how you were doing it and getting away with it....

[Denny Chimes]

Most of our consternation was not about you beating up on our teams. It was how you were doing it and getting away with it....
Cry me a river...

[greggspacho]

I am all for the 8 team playoff but I think you will run into large discrepancies between #1 & #8. Also if you were to do this would you then reduce the number of games played in a season or would the national championship contenders play 14,15, or 16 games. I really don’t see this going down. Maybe the plus one system would be this best alternative. On the other hand, if there were not 3+ teams with the same record would you use the plus one or just have one game?

[TidePride]

Most of our consternation was not about you beating up on our teams. It was how you were doing it and getting away with it....


Auburn wasn't really one of the schools they were talking about but I would like details on what your talking about.

[Denny Chimes]

Auburn wasn't really one of the schools they were talking about but I would like details on what your talking about.
Just another insecure barner whining that the "Bear cheated" and derailing another thread.

[TidePride]

I am all for the 8 team playoff but I think you will run into large discrepancies between #1 & #8. Also if you were to do this would you then reduce the number of games played in a season or would the national championship contenders play 14,15, or 16 games. I really don’t see this going down. Maybe the plus one system would be this best alternative. On the other hand, if there were not 3+ teams with the same record would you use the plus one or just have one game?

I think you would still play the plus one, remember a plus one system would still include the weak link in the ranking system, the human polls, That with the strength of schedule question would in most cases be cause enough to play a 1 loss team against an undefeated team.

Example, If this years Texas Tech team was undefeated and say, Notre Dame had one loss, considering both schedules would anyone seriously consider Texas Tech hands down champion?

[jneesy]

with an 8 team playoff it would mean 2 extra games for the final 2 teams
but if they played 3 rounds with a bye week in between the rounds
round 1 mid dec
round 2 first weekend in jan
final mid jan

it shouldnt be much of a problem for championship caliber teams + they could pepper all the other bowls around these games

[TidePride]

Just another insecure barner whining that the "Bear cheated" and derailing another thread.

Thanks I was confused, He sounded like a Vol but there is blue in his profile.

[TidePride]

Another solution I have heard discussed is a pretty big shuffle, it includes forcing all the independant teams to join conferences, increase the number of teams in all conferences to 12. Then use the minor bowl games for conference championship games and regional championships. The major bowls would then be used for semi finals and the championship.

so you would have SEC champ vs ACC champ, Big 10 vs Big 12, ect ect. or shuffle the conferences opponents.

Probably waaaay out there and un-doable but it would take care of the bowls and put a real playoff system in place.

[WDavE]

Some of you guys must not be very old and most likely never even have read any books on the life of Bear Bryant....

I had several meetings with Coach Bryant and got to know him.... Great coach!
He had several flaws as most of us do....

Here is an example for some of you Tide fans to examine from an old-timer like me.

1972

You are named SEC Champions.....
Bama ends the season 7-1 in SEC play
Auburn ends the season 6-1 in SEC play.


The kicker... We beat you in Birmingham in the last game of the SEC season.

Like I stated above... It's not about you beating some of us that causes some of the hard feelings. It's how it came about that leads to this...


My all-time favorite:

Alabama gets investigated and Auburn soon goes on probation. It's closer to the truth then most know...


I didn't derail anything... One of the Tide faithful made a statement that is clearly untrue and I responded....

[TidePride]

Some of you guys must not be very old and most likely never even have read any books on the life of Bear Bryant....

I had several meetings with Coach Bryant and got to know him.... Great coach!
He had several flaws as most of us do....

Here is an example for some of you Tide fans to examine from an old-timer like me.

1972

You are named SEC Champions.....
Bama ends the season 7-1 in SEC play
Auburn ends the season 6-1 in SEC play.


The kicker... We beat you in Birmingham in the last game of the SEC season.

Like I stated above... It's not about you beating some of us that causes some of the hard feelings. It's how it came about that leads to this...


My all-time favorite:

Alabama gets investigated and Auburn soon goes on probation. It's closer to the truth then most know...


I didn't derail anything... One of the Tide faithful made a statement that is clearly untrue and I responded....

You are blaming the wrong people my friend, same thing happened to Alabama with higher stakes in 66 only team in the Nation to go undefeated but the championship is split between two teams with a tie. The system was the problem not the teams.

Alabama gets investigated, Auburn gets investigated, Auburn gets a slap on the wrist Alabama gets a decade of probation. I think you have very little to cry about.

[Cianne]

You are blaming the wrong people my friend, same thing happened to Alabama with higher stakes in 66 only team in the Nation to go undefeated but the championship is split between two teams with a tie. The system was the problem not the teams.

Back then multiple teams won national championships so none of those years really matter. Whoo, I won the national championship in the Litkenhous but so and so other team won it in the Sagarin. I mean really. But just to ask a question, if the two other teams have all wins and only a tie, wouldn't they also be undefeated?

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Back then multiple teams won national championships so none of those years really matter. Whoo, I won the national championship in the Litkenhous but so and so other team won it in the Sagarin. I mean really. But just to ask a question, if the two other teams have all wins and only a tie, wouldn't they also be undefeated?
Great point there, Cianne. :cool:

[TidePride]

Back then multiple teams won national championships so none of those years really matter. Whoo, I won the national championship in the Litkenhous but so and so other team won it in the Sagarin. I mean really. But just to ask a question, if the two other teams have all wins and only a tie, wouldn't they also be undefeated?

well yeah but a tie is a blemish on your record, ties caused teams to lose rankings and National Championships before that year. Let me rephrase, Alabama was untied and undefeated that year You are right about the multiple teams winning national championships which reinforces my point, you can't blame Alabama for Auburn being left out because Alabama did not make the decision the system that was in place did.

[Cianne]

No a tie is a blemish on your record

I didn't say it wasn't a blemish. I said that those teams were undefeated as well. Since I have class in a couple minutes, I can't look this up, but can you post those other two teams schedules along with Alabama's. Because of course you know you'd take a tie against a top ranked team over a win over College of the Ozarks any day of the week.

[TidePride]

I edited due to seeing the point you were making.

[Denny Chimes]

Great point there, Cianne. :cool:
You guys are absolutely right but Bama was coming off back to back NC's and then went 12-0 and finished third. I see parallels between this years USC and the 66 Bama team, except USC gets the love. No team had ever won three in a row and a lot of Bama folks believed the elite media punished Bama for the civil rights problems during the same time. I know Lombardi was asked how good his 66 Packers were and he said something like "I don't know, we haven't played Alabama yet."

[GeauxTo]

I favor a playoff system, but I'm not exactly sure which form it should take. We definitely need to get away from what is done now.

[Jordan]

As I've said elsewhere, as a first step I'd favor a 4-team playoff.

Starting next season, there will be 4 BCS bowls and then a week later will be the Championship game. If they take the first 2 BCS bowls and make it #1vs4 and #2vs3, the winners of those two games would still have a week's rest/practice before the NC game. It's already going to be scheduled as 4 bowls + 1 NC game, so why not do something more with at least a couple of those 4 bowls???

If that were to work out okay without too much commotion, then maybe they could look into an 8-team playoff down the road when it comes time for the next contract to be signed.

[uscrebel]

There is no solution to the National Championship Problem.

Don't point to 1AA or Division II as examples, because 3/4th's of you guys could not name the last two 1AA or DII champs for me.

(To spare us all the posts from the other 1/4th of you showing that you know...JMU defeated Montana last year for 1AA and Valdosta State beat Pittsburg State in Division II...Whoopeee!!)

It's different from basketball, where you have to arrange travel for about 20 folks. A couple of years ago, travel to the Citrus Bowl cost Tennessee $824,964, while Nebraska's Rose Bowl junket cost them $644,384. We forget that BYU went to the Liberty Bowl in 2001 and was left holding 13,000 seats that cost the school $413,536 on top of their $400K travel bill. Remember that conferences get their share of the winnings (usually about 50%) before the schools take out their expenses. BTW, my son went with the UCLA Marching Band to the Las Vegas Bowl last year. The football team paid for it. The payout to the Bruins was $950,000. It is believed that the team broke even on the trip.

Injuries are another issue. Any sort of playoff/tournament will create injury problems. Reggie Bush injured himself in the UCLA game last year. He had a month to rest before taking on Chokelahoma. If he had been forced to play two weeks earlier, it is likely that he would not made it through the game and would have missed any subsequent games. Adding a 12th game next year is going to compound this problem.

Who really cares. Believe me, I have to stretch myself to remember who was NC three years ago. I only remember the last two because USC was involved. Anybody who's life sucks so bad that they can't move on to the next sport and the next season, should probably hook themselves up to the house current.

It really does not matter. I realize that a few of you pathetic losers will shoot back with the post that questions my manhood and asserts that it matters a lot in your neck of the woods, but that's something that you gots to live with...not me. I'm already starting to scratch my head about the preseason NIT pairings and the upcoming RoundBall season.

[uscrebel]

You guys are absolutely right but Bama was coming off back to back NC's and then went 12-0 and finished third. I see parallels between this years USC and the 66 Bama team, except USC gets the love. No team had ever won three in a row and a lot of Bama folks believed the elite media punished Bama for the civil rights problems during the same time. I know Lombardi was asked how good his 66 Packers were and he said something like "I don't know, we haven't played Alabama yet."

Man, if you are still grudging something that went down 40 years ago, you need some time in the sunlight.
:cool:

[TidePride]

I think most people would accept a +1 system. In most cases the top 4 teams are the only ones who have any kind of claim to the championship. This adds one game for two teams. I know adding an extra game seems rough to the likes of Pac-10 teams but I think it would be the fair way to go.

Also all conferences should do what is needed to have conference championships like the SEC and ACC do.

Man, if you are still grudging something that went down 40 years ago, you need some time in the sunlight.
:cool:

He was answering a whine from an Auburn fan read back a page.

[Denny Chimes]

I think most people would accept a +1 system. In most cases the top 4 teams are the only ones who have any kind of claim to the championship. This adds one game for two teams. I know adding an extra game seems rough to the likes of Pac-10 teams but I think it would be the fair way to go.

Also all conferences should do what is needed to have conference championships like the SEC and ACC do.



He was answering a whine from an Auburn fan read back a page.
Thanks TP. I guess he didn't read the whole thread. Oh well.

[uscrebel]

I think most people would accept a +1 system. In most cases the top 4 teams are the only ones who have any kind of claim to the championship. This adds one game for two teams. I know adding an extra game seems rough to the likes of Pac-10 teams but I think it would be the fair way to go.

Geeze man...what a little wussy statement. Have you ever even seen a football game outside the state of Alabama?

Also all conferences should do what is needed to have conference championships like the SEC and ACC do.

I love the SEC and all that, but you need to get a grip. Your statement that schools "should do what is needed to have conference championships like the SEC and ACC" is laughable. Currently, the Pac10 schools have 70 Nobel laureates on their various faculties (apparently only Wazzu does not have at least one Nobel winner), I am content with those priorities. Football is nice, but as my boys head to college, I figure that they can endure the hardships forced on them by not having a conference championship football game.

He was answering a whine from an Auburn fan read back a page.

I don't need to read back a page. It doesn't freakin' matter WHY someone reached back 40 years...it's still ancient history and I stand by my original observation.

[TidePride]

Geeze man...what a little wussy statement. Have you ever even seen a football game outside the state of Alabama?

What does that have to do with my statement? Why is stating that all teams in the NCAA play the same number of games such a outlandish idea? Yes I nipped a bit at the Pac-1 but only because USC is number 1 right now you are the only person saying a playoff is not needed because it "doesn't matter" The noise comming from most USC fans in 2003 was alot different if you will remember.


I love the SEC and all that, but you need to get a grip. Your statement that schools "should do what is needed to have conference championships like the SEC and ACC" is laughable. Currently, the Pac10 schools have 70 Nobel laureates on their various faculties (apparently only Wazzu does not have at least one Nobel winner), I am content with those priorities. Football is nice, but as my boys head to college, I figure that they can endure the hardships forced on them by not having a conference championship football game.

Oh come on you are saying that the Pac-10 should not be held to the same competiton expectations that the ACC and SEC are because of Nobel laureates? that is a cop out and you know it.


I don't need to read back a page. It doesn't freakin' matter WHY someone reached back 40 years...it's still ancient history and I stand by my original observation.

He is replying to a comment that someone else reached back 30 years first. The reply makes sense, he was not complaining he was explaining how the system was the problem.

[uscrebel]

What does that have to do with my statement? Why is stating that all teams in the NCAA play the same number of games such a outlandish idea? Yes I nipped a bit at the Pac-1 but only because USC is number 1 right now you are the only person saying a playoff is not needed because it "doesn't matter" The noise comming from most USC fans in 2003 was alot different if you will remember.
Since you do not have a clue about ANY USC fans, let alone MOST USC fans, I will fill you in. Most USC fans did not give a rip. We were quite happy to share the NC with LSU and move on to the next thing. There was only one player who publicly complained and after a short prayer meeting with Pete Carroll, he retracted his criticisms. Pete Carroll's statement was, "I don't know how this BCS thing works. We just play the games they give us and hope for the best." Most of us were glad we got to beat up on Michigan at home instead of having to play LSU on their home field. But, even that is old news.
Oh come on you are saying that the Pac-10 should not be held to the same competiton expectations that the ACC and SEC are because of Nobel laureates? that is a cop out and you know it.
No, my young gremmie hodad, I am not saying that. What I am saying is that I will live my life quite placidly if Ole Miss and USC never win another NC or compete in a BS national championship tournament trumped up to make the ESPN rich. How they compete on the gridiron is much less important to me than how they compete in the world of science, technology, and arts.
He is replying to a comment that someone else reached back 30 years first. The reply makes sense, he was not complaining he was explaining how the system was the problem.
The reply only makes sense to someone else who has no life.

[TidePride]

Making statements that you could care less if Miss and USC never win a game is all fine and good but I was under the impression that this forum is about SEC football present, past and future. I for one enjoy the discussion and reading other people's opinion about a topic. That is the whole point of discussing them.

As for the no life comment, well here you are sitting at the same forum the rest of us are. I think our life matches up to yours in that respect.

But anyway since it does not matter to you discussing it with you would not be any fun. I hope to find a topic that matters to you so we can actually exchange opinions. I look forward to our future exchanges.

[uscrebel]

Making statements that you could care less if Miss and USC never win a game is all fine and good but I was under the impression that this forum is about SEC football present, past and future. I for one enjoy the discussion and reading other people's opinion about a topic. That is the whole point of discussing them.

It really helps if you read ALL the words in the post. I said, I will live my life quite placidly if Ole Miss and USC never win another NC or compete in a BS national championship tournament trumped up to make the ESPN rich. The word game never appeared in the post. So, my question is, "What do you enjoy about this? What you think people posted or what they actually posted?"

As for the no life comment, well here you are sitting at the same forum the rest of us are. I think our life matches up to yours in that respect.

As a corollary to the rule of "Read the whole post," I find that I must offer "Don't add anything to the post." I actually enjoy habituating this board and find that there are some interesting folks here. I never suggested that merely posting to SECTALK was a requisite symptom of not having a life. I simply said, "The reply only makes sense to someone else who has no life." I did not say being on the board constitutes not having a life. As the reply made sense to you and not to me, I can only conclude that although we are both members of the board, you are the one who has no life.

But anyway since it does not matter to you discussing it with you would not be any fun. I hope to find a topic that matters to you so we can actually exchange opinions. I look forward to our future exchanges.

Fun! This is not about fun. This is about being a major prick and an arrogant turd. I can see you want to achieve pricky turdishness, but for now that is my domain. I let you know when you are stupid enough to take my place. :cool:

[TidePride]

Excuse my misreading of your posts, I had a momentary lack of attention, My bad. I do still stand by my comment that there is nothing wrong with answering a gripe about history with a history lesson.

The other stuff is just fodder for arguments yet to come. I can guarantee you will not offend me no matter how hard you try so feel free to open a can on me from time to time I am sure I will deserve it. I will of course call you on any mis-steps you might make along the way as well.

I have no clue how old you are but I am 36 years old and I come from another forum where I am one of the longer forum veterans. Harsh treatment is a daily activity there and the only reason I went looking for alternative places to discuss SEC sports is because of the number of pre-teen members at that site that equate profanity to intelligence. I understand how a new member can be annoying and can be thought of as a little punk. I will strive to bring mature discussion to the board.

I look forward to learning from your brand of pricky turdishness and I hope I will be able to follow in your footsteps.

[volimhtown]

It's obvious that you guys are missing USCREBELS' point. Despite how you determine the eventual NC, what difference does it make? In other words, whose needs are we serving?? The simple truth is that whatever argument you support, you must confess that by simply having any such opinion is just lending itself as self-serving. The real question we need to be asking is exactly how important the issue really is.
Now before anyone starts screaming "hipocracy", yes, I admit that I have supported a playoff system in the past. USCREBEL brings up some really good points, though. This once great and pertinent game has been destroyed by the greedy idiots that run it. The inception of the BCS has destroyed the once meaningful and historical relevance that the bowl system had. Throw in the fact that any mildly populated city with a few bucks to spend can be handed their own irrelevant bowl game and we have the mess that we have now. Quick, who played in and won the majestic Music City Bowl last year?? Better yet, how many Vols fans are cruising the internet and making travel arrangements because they can't wait to see the intense drama that is sure to come with the Vols playing in the Crackin' Good/Tobacco Farmers of America Bowl?? The NCAA has killed this once unique sport and I shudder to see the result of the next "meeting of the minds". It wasn't too long ago when playing in the Cotton Bowl meant something, the SEC champ was rewarded by making a New Years trip to New Orleans, and the Rose Bowl was something special. WTF happened??
Since the Bowl System and the money it generates will never go away, aren't we ALL better served to going back to the way it was?? If for no other reason than for the sake of the game itself?? The NCAA should limit the amount of bowls to 20 (give or take a few) and try to restore the pagentry and glory that came with it. If the "Quest to Crown a King" is going to destroy the very land it rules, what value does it really have??

[TidePride]

It's obvious that you guys are missing USCREBELS' point. Despite how you determine the eventual NC, what difference does it make? In other words, whose needs are we serving?? The simple truth is that whatever argument you support, you must confess that by simply having any such opinion is just lending itself as self-serving. The real question we need to be asking is exactly how important the issue really is.
Now before anyone starts screaming "hipocracy", yes, I admit that I have supported a playoff system in the past. USCREBEL brings up some really good points, though. This once great and pertinent game has been destroyed by the greedy idiots that run it. The inception of the BCS has destroyed the once meaningful and historical relevance that the bowl system had. Throw in the fact that any mildly populated city with a few bucks to spend can be handed their own irrelevant bowl game and we have the mess that we have now. Quick, who played in and won the majestic Music City Bowl last year?? Better yet, how many Vols fans are cruising the internet and making travel arrangements because they can't wait to see the intense drama that is sure to come with the Vols playing in the Crackin' Good/Tobacco Farmers of America Bowl?? The NCAA has killed this once unique sport and I shudder to see the result of the next "meeting of the minds". It wasn't too long ago when playing in the Cotton Bowl meant something, the SEC champ was rewarded by making a New Years trip to New Orleans, and the Rose Bowl was something special. WTF happened??
Since the Bowl System and the money it generates will never go away, aren't we ALL better served to going back to the way it was?? If for no other reason than for the sake of the game itself?? The NCAA should limit the amount of bowls to 20 (give or take a few) and try to restore the pagentry and glory that came with it. If the "Quest to Crown a King" is going to destroy the very land it rules, what value does it really have??


You are missing the whole point of the thread, it is a topic for discussion. I don't think anyone that has replied to this thread has any dillusions of making any change to the system because of this thread. It is in all honestly no different to the dream team thread, What do you think would be the best solution.

I do agree with your opinion about the bowl games though that is a very good point.

[uscrebel]

It's obvious that you guys are missing USCREBELS' point. Despite how you determine the eventual NC, what difference does it make? In other words, whose needs are we serving?? The simple truth is that whatever argument you support, you must confess that by simply having any such opinion is just lending itself as self-serving. The real question we need to be asking is exactly how important the issue really is.
Now before anyone starts screaming "hipocracy", yes, I admit that I have supported a playoff system in the past. USCREBEL brings up some really good points, though. This once great and pertinent game has been destroyed by the greedy idiots that run it. The inception of the BCS has destroyed the once meaningful and historical relevance that the bowl system had. Throw in the fact that any mildly populated city with a few bucks to spend can be handed their own irrelevant bowl game and we have the mess that we have now. Quick, who played in and won the majestic Music City Bowl last year?? Better yet, how many Vols fans are cruising the internet and making travel arrangements because they can't wait to see the intense drama that is sure to come with the Vols playing in the Crackin' Good/Tobacco Farmers of America Bowl?? The NCAA has killed this once unique sport and I shudder to see the result of the next "meeting of the minds". It wasn't too long ago when playing in the Cotton Bowl meant something, the SEC champ was rewarded by making a New Years trip to New Orleans, and the Rose Bowl was something special. WTF happened??
Since the Bowl System and the money it generates will never go away, aren't we ALL better served to going back to the way it was?? If for no other reason than for the sake of the game itself?? The NCAA should limit the amount of bowls to 20 (give or take a few) and try to restore the pagentry and glory that came with it. If the "Quest to Crown a King" is going to destroy the very land it rules, what value does it really have??

Thank God, someone finally got it!!!!
:cool: :cool:

Dude, I tried to rep you for this outstanding post, but apparently I have to spread.

[uscrebel]

I look forward to learning from your brand of pricky turdishness and I hope I will be able to follow in your footsteps.

For the record, I am 54 making you, at best, a hopeful little turd.

Be warned, those who follow in my footsteps are doomed to a lifetime of wiping their feet before entering Momma's kitchen.

:cool: :cool:

[TidePride]

For the record, I am 54 making you, at best, a hopeful little turd.


Or you a crusty old dingleberry :D

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Thank God, someone finally got it!!!!
:cool: :cool:

Dude, I tried to rep you for this outstanding post, but apparently I have to spread.
I've got your back on this one, uscrebel. Positive reps provided for his exceptional post. :)

[SilverBritches]

Plus one system would be perfect IMO.

[uscrebel]

I've got your back on this one, uscrebel. Positive reps provided for his exceptional post. :)

You rock, Brosef.


:cool:

[VOLjlt]

Better yet, how many Vols fans are cruising the internet and making travel arrangements because they can't wait to see the intense drama that is sure to come with the Vols playing in the Crackin' Good/Tobacco Farmers of America Bowl??


Too frickin' funny!! I love that!

[USC66]

with an 8 team playoff it would mean 2 extra games for the final 2 teams
but if they played 3 rounds with a bye week in between the rounds
round 1 mid dec
round 2 first weekend in jan
final mid jan

it shouldnt be much of a problem for championship caliber teams + they could pepper all the other bowls around these games

I agree with this scenario.

[TigerFanatic]

i went to a 1AA school for 3 years at Northwestern state University. we stayed in the top 3 for the entire tenure i was there. they used a playoff system that i thought worked very accuratly.

[TidalFury18]

Personally, I prefer that a "plus one" system be implemented. Had it been in affect prior to the 2003 season, then one National Champion would have emerged... as opposed to LSU and USC splitting the title. Just my opinion.

[HSVTider]

The original BCS formula wasn't a bad thing. It produced the matchup everyone wanted to see.

They only reason they tweaked the formula was because some one from a mid major conference didn't consideration.

I say "tough shit" to them. That's life in college football. No mid major league could stack up to the SEC, ACC, Big Ten or Big Twelve.

Hell, the MAC, WAC, or MWC would have a hard time stacking up to the Pac-10.

[GeorgiaPride]

I see this as a two way street, we already know that the plus 1 starts next year. Great! But I would have to presume that they are opening up a door that they seem to not want open for D1 college football. We see they adjust the BCS when it doesn't work correctly, the longer the system doesn't work the more they will have to ADJUST to get it right. Ultimately, meaning a playoff system of some sort. I am ok with that. But let’s look at what that would mean for the rest of college football. I follow the pros just as closely as college, but the excitement every week just isn't there. And the reason that happens is because if my team (Falcons) loses it really doesn't matter because we can go 9-7 and still go to the playoffs. So what I am saying is that a playoff would be great to determine the true national champion but it would ruin what we all love about college football. We already have a pro football set up -- and I like it just fine, but I love how college football works! I think if they can get the +1 system to work 75% of the time then I will be ecstatic. Also let’s not forget these kids are in college, they are not all doing this as their career. Not to mention the fact that a playoff system for a true national champion in college football would need to allow all 119 D1 football teams the opportunity to earn a spot in the playoffs. No matter how many teams are allowed to compete in a playoff system there will always be the argument that so and so deserved an opportunity because there record was the same as “insert BCS School here”.

[TidePride]

GeogiaPride you make some good points and those points are why I am not an advocate of eliminating the poll system all together. Personally I think the Plus one system is the best path to take because it basically uses the best of both worlds. But certain changes in the polling system has to be implimented.

1. beef the strength of schedule back up.
This alone will improve the schedules and minimize arguments over fluff schedules.
2. no pre-season poll impact on first BCS poll. Yes the first BCS poll this year came out in October but the biggest impact on it came from the AP poll which started in the pre-season.
This eliminates teams sitting at the top of the poll because of "educated guesses" about how tough their opponents are.

So what you end up with is the polls are still in place to argue over, teams still climb the polls like always, and at the end of the year the top 4 teams play it out to see who is the best. I don't see a problem with this scenario. (other than non-BCS schools sueing)

[GeorgiaPride]

Good post AP, I am a fan of the computer polls; I also agree that strength of schedule is an absolute must. I am ok with the human polls but I think there should be 5 human polls and that all the computer polls need to have there own weight. You can still drop the highest and lowest that would give us 4 computer polls and 4 or 5 human polls. The more polls the better. And the first polls to come out in week 7. Right now it is 67% human and 33% computer. The computers are not even able to use all available information, i.e. SOS and MOV. Yes margin of victory needs to be back in there as well. Some say MOV is bad for college football due to teams running up scores, so put a cap on margin of victory at 30 or so. We also need to realize that if it ever made it to a playoff system teams would make there schedules easier than they are now.

[GeorgiaPride]

2. no pre-season poll impact on first BCS poll. Yes the first BCS poll this year came out in October but the biggest impact on it came from the AP poll which started in the pre-season.
This eliminates teams sitting at the top of the poll because of "educated guesses" about how tough their opponents are.



Unless I am reading this wrong I need to point out that the AP Poll is no longer included in the BCS. But have no fear it will still award a national champion. BTW didn't the conferences agree to go by the BCS and only the BCS to award the NC?

[TidePride]

Unless I am reading this wrong I need to point out that the AP Poll is no longer included in the BCS. But have no fear it will still award a national champion. BTW didn't the conferences agree to go by the BCS and only the BCS to award the NC?

You're right the AP is out as of next year but this year it did play an impact on the BCS polls and it has not matched the computer polls yet.

[GeorgiaPride]

TP it is out this year!

www.bcsfootball.org/

[TidePride]

I thought it said next year... doh misread for me

[Jordan]

I thought it said next year... doh misread for me
Yep. It was replaced by the Harris Interactive rankings prior to the beginning of this season.

[TidePride]

Yep I made myself look like a doofus, oh well it probably wont be the last time :D My point still stands though, the human polls that started preseason did impact the first BCS poll. I honestly don't think Texas would have been ranked where they were if polling had started in October.

Maybe the unimaginable will happen and Miami will beat Va Tech and UCLA will slip up on USC and Bama will run the table and set up a Texas vs Alabama Rose Bowl. Unlikely I know but it is fun to dream. ;)

[BamaFan425]

I beleive first that EVERY conference should have a championship game. After getting that accomplished they can move on to a possible playoff system but they first need to establish conference championships for all conferences.