Best Coach in the SEC East?

[grapenuts]

Guess again.
It's Richt - not Meyer, Fulmer or Spurrier guiding team toward division title.

COMMENTARY
By Joey Johnston
NBCSports.com contributor
Updated: 4:14 a.m. ET Oct. 27, 2005

Just two months ago, the Georgia Bulldogs were practically an afterthought. The SEC East? Why, the Tennessee Volunteers were making their run at the Rose Bowl. Absolutely. That is, if Urban Meyer’s Florida Gators didn’t beat them to Pasadena.

Georgia?

Third — maybe.

After all, who knew what Steve Spurrier was brewing at South Carolina?

Look at the Bulldogs now.

By Saturday night, Georgia might complete one of the most astounding accomplishments of 2005. If the fourth-ranked Bulldogs (7-0) defeat Florida (5-2), they will win the SEC East and qualify for the conference championship game.

Think about that.

Georgia wrapping up the SEC East — traditionally, a murderous division in college football —before Halloween!

In my book, that puts Mark Richt on the short list for national coach of the year. Bulldogs fans could really have something to celebrate at “The World’s Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party,’’ the cavalcade of color, sound and good times in Jacksonville.

But Richt, a play-calling wizard who quickly grew into his job, sees this season as something different than a lunar landing.

“I felt we’d be OK,’’ Richt said. “I’m really not that surprised. I felt we’d be good.’’

Since Richt arrived at Georgia in 2001 after an ultra-successful tenure as Florida State’s offensive coordinator, the Seminoles haven’t been the same. They haven’t possessed the same offensive swagger. Meanwhile, Georgia has restored its position as one of the South’s powerhouses.

Even amid a sometimes tumultuous backdrop.

A half-dozen Bulldogs had legal problems in the off-season, prompting suspensions and one banishment. Defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder jumped to the NFL. Oh, and this: The Bulldogs had to replace two SEC superstars — quarterback David Greene and defensive end David Pollack.

That alone shipped Georgia to the rear in most people’s preseason projections. It was easier to visualize the Bulldogs without Uga, the canine mascot, than to contemplate life without those two familiar catalysts.

“Everybody knew Pollack and Greene,’’ Richt said. “We just didn’t have many national names or guys who got a lot of (preseason) accolades. But the thing they didn’t take into account was last season we had about eight seniors on scholarship. Now we have closer to 18. There are strength in numbers. We have more leaders.

“Here’s the whole thing about us: We don’t have a bunch of superstars. We’ve got a bunch of guys who are fighting like mad together. We’re not a one-man show.’’

That’s why the Bulldogs are confident against Florida — even with the loss of starting quarterback D.J. Shockley. With Greene at the helm, Shockley’s playing time was limited. But he was patient. This was finally his season, and he was fully taking advantage of the opportunity.

Displaying the mobility that Greene never possessed, along with uncommon composure, Shockley probably was the SEC’s offensive player of the half-season (along with Alabama’s Brodie Croyle).

Then, last week against Arkansas, Shockley sprained his MCL. He’s out until mid-November.

“This week will be tough for him,’’ said Richt, who said Shockley is probable for the Nov. 12 game against Auburn. “Playing in this game is one of the reasons you come to Georgia. You know it’s going to hurt him. But he’ll have incentive to keep rehabilitating. And in his own way, he’ll still lead.’’

Now starting at quarterback, an improbable Georgia legacy — Joe Tereshinski III, a junior so aggressive and hungry that he had been volunteering for special-teams duty.

His grandfather played for the Bulldogs in the 1940s, with stints sandwiched around World War II. His father was a starter on the Georgia team that faced Tony Dorsett-led Pittsburgh in the Sugar Bowl, following the 1976 season.

Lining up for Georgia always was a dream. Playing against Florida was part of that fantasy. Now it has all come true, and if Tereshinski comes up big against the Gators, will anyone really be surprised?

“You’ve just got to know Joe and his demeanor,’’ Georgia center Russ Tanner said. “He came into the huddle (against Arkansas) and said something to the effect of, ‘Shock’s down … let’s go!’

“Everybody wants to act like he’s some true freshman, some guy who has never taken a snap. In reality, he has a lot of experience in this system. And he’s one of the toughest guys on our team. In practice when we don’t have our pads on, he looks like one of those guys who wants to lower his head and hit somebody. He has all the confidence in the world.’’

All the selflessness in the world, too.

Tereshinski has worked as personal protector on Georgia’s punt team. Twice last season, including the Outback Bowl against Wisconsin, he served as the long snapper.

If Richt’s all-for-one Bulldogs had a face, it would look a lot like Joe Tereshinski.

“I wanted to help my team in any way possible,’’ Tereshinski said. “I think that’s the attitude of our whole team. We go in there each week, trying to fight our guts out. We’ve got a target on our backs now, being ranked fourth, but I don’t think our attitude has changed. We know that not a lot of people (are picking Georgia to keep winning).’’

Actually, that’s fine by Richt.

Especially this week.

In the pre-Spurrier days at Florida, the Gators were tormented by Georgia.

Lindsay Scott.

Herschel Walker.

In 1985, the Gators earned the first No. 1 ranking in program history. One week later, although heavily favored, they were thrashed by Georgia.

But the series turned.

Until last season, the Gators had won 13 of the last 14 meetings, flipping the psychological advantage. In 2002, Georgia’s SEC championship season was marred only by a loss to the Gators.

“When it goes that long, it becomes kind of a stigma,’’ Tanner said. “Even if you think you have a better team, there’s kind of a feeling of impending doom.’’

Along with a 365-day-a-year question.

Hey coach, when are you going to beat Florida?

“Last season was huge,’’ Richt said. “Now I don’t have to hear that.’’

Georgia defeated Florida 31-24. Afterward, Richt raced around the field, saluting Bulldogs fans in an emotional display.

“It was about the only thing we hadn’t done,’’ Richt said. “It was a long time in coming for Georgia people in general. Georgia had struggled against Florida — period. For a year, it eased the pain.’’

Now Richt can start a winning streak against Florida. That last time it happened — consecutive victories against the Gators — it was orchestrated by Georgia coaches Vince Dooley and Ray Goff.

Clearly, there isn’t overwhelming confidence about Georgia’s chances, despite Florida’s recent disintegration and rampant questions about whether Meyer’s spread option offense can thrive in the SEC. The Bulldogs might be unbeaten, but Florida is a six-point favorite.

Perhaps that reflects the loss of Shockley.

But maybe the Bulldogs can’t be fully validated until the SEC East is in the bag.

It’s there for the taking.

Imagine that. Tennessee and Florida, jockeying for minor bowls. Georgia, perhaps in line for the Sugar Bowl … or maybe a trip even more sweet.

“It’s a perfect scenario,’’ Georgia free safety Greg Blue said. “Playing against Florida with a chance to win the SEC East. You can’t beat that. Nobody thought we’d be here.’’

“I’m sure our guys probably were [insulted about being picked third — or worse — in the SEC East], but we didn’t spend a lot of time talking about that,’’ Richt said. “We talked about practice, preparing, getting better. They bought into that pretty good.’’

Richt was a pretty effective salesman, too.

With all due respect to Pete Carroll, Charlie Weis, Mack Brown, Frank Beamer, Mike Shula, Karl Dorrell and others, no coach has done it better than Richt this season. By Saturday night, the fans outside of Athens might begin to realize that.

Joey Johnston writes regularly for NBCSports.com and is a columnist for the Tampa (Fla.) Tribune.

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[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

Yes Richt is the better coach because he has better players, it's amazing how a coach's stock will go up when you have top 10 talent(Tuberville last year!!!) Although Richt is an Offensive minded coach and UGA is winning with there D.

[Djshockley3]

Yes Richt is the better coach because he has better players, it's amazing how a coach's stock will go up when you have top 10 talent(Tuberville last year!!!) Although Richt is an Offensive minded coach and UGA is winning with there D.


Better players than who,UT,UF,and LSU. Do not think so,UT has the best talent in the SEC and look were they are. He is a great coach,do not say its because all the talent he has. :rolleyes:

[grapenuts]

Really... look what all we lost and we're still right there. But hey, I'll take the talent thing as a compliment as well. After all, Richt and staff have to get them boys here. Nobody has recruited as well in the SEC than Richt since he's been here. Sure, people will have a good year here and there, but nobody has recruited as well, AS CONSISTENTLY as Richt and Garner. Saban was great too, and others are usually up near the top but according to the main two services, you do the average class rank and I'm certain you'll find UGA on top in the end.

[SilverBritches]

Yes Richt is the better coach because he has better players, it's amazing how a coach's stock will go up when you have top 10 talent(Tuberville last year!!!) Although Richt is an Offensive minded coach and UGA is winning with there D.

Yeah, Pete Carrol isn't a very good coach. He just has a lot of talent.
:rolleyes:

[usafbamafan]

Yes Richt is the better coach because he has better players, it's amazing how a coach's stock will go up when you have top 10 talent(Tuberville last year!!!) Although Richt is an Offensive minded coach and UGA is winning with there D.

That's absolute BS!

Georgia is talented, but no more so than LSU, Tennessee or Florida. Coach Richt is a great coach, no way around it.

[ScreamingTiger]

I agree with you bammerfan. I'll be the first to say Auburn doesn't go 13-0 last year without Al Borges and I give Tommy credit for finding the right guy to lead the offense. It takes a great team of coaches to win in this league.

[JerryBeeds]

Richt is a helluva coach. Who do you think recruited that talent?

[DAWG@heart]

That's absolute BS!

Georgia is talented, but no more so than LSU, Tennessee or Florida. Coach Richt is a great coach, no way around it.

I'll take team unity over talent any day of the week ! That's why UGA has been successful this year, Coach Richt has gotten them to play as a team and rely on each other because the superstars aren't there anymore... ie Pollack, Greene, Thurman, Gibson, Brown. That was the problem last year, everyone was waiting on someone else to come through. Not this year, UGA is a TEAM and that's why they are winning and will win convincingly against the Gay Turds.

[rabidcock]

Guess again. It's Richt - not Meyer, Fulmer or Spurrier guiding team toward division title. In my book, that puts Mark Richt on the short list for national coach of the year.

Why...because TN's talented team's offense is in a funk....because FL's supreme athletes are bogged in the mire of an ineffective spread option.... because Spurrier hasn't got all the players he needs to make his system go???

Hey...why not?

[Noah.Dreams]

Who would've thought that 8 weeks into the season that the best rookie coach in the SEC would be Ole Miss coach Ed Orgeron?

[rabidcock]

Who would've thought that 8 weeks into the season that the best rookie coach in the SEC would be Ole Miss coach Ed Orgeron?

No one, why?

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Who would've thought that 8 weeks into the season that the best rookie coach in the SEC would be Ole Miss coach Ed Orgeron?
I guess I wouldn't have thunk it, and still don't. ;)

[GamecockDieHard]

Mark Richt is a class act, very talented, and has many years ahead of him. I expect Georgia will consistently be at the top as long as he is there.

[ScreamingTiger]

Who would've thought that 8 weeks into the season that the best rookie coach in the SEC would be Ole Miss coach Ed Orgeron?
what the hell are you smoking dreamer? :o

[volimhtown]

My only question would be this...
Was this even a debate prior to the season?? Who was asserting that Richt wasn't the best coach in the East?? His record speaks for itself. The only one who you could make an argument for would be Fulmer, but considering he is now 5-1 vs. Fulmer, that's a very short debate. I guess until you win it all, there will always be doubters, but anyone who's not sold on Richt needs to have their head examined!!
One note...please spare us the Spurrier debate...his Gator record is null and void in this discussion!!

[GeauxTo]

Who's worse, Les Miles or Urban Meyer??

Hard decision, huh!
:D

[JBryant12]

Rigth now i would say Richt but hopefully i will be able to say spurrier in a couple of years :)

[Noah.Dreams]

I guess I wouldn't have thunk it, and still don't. ;)

No one, why?

what the hell are you smoking dreamer? :o

It's just an opinion that I'm willing to put in black in white.

Think outside the box for once and tell me who you think is the best rookie coach in the SEC?

[rabidcock]

It's just an opinion. Think outside the box for once and tell me who you think is the best rookie coach in the SEC?

It just SOUNDED like an insult(s), Noah. The verdict's still out, I think, concerning that particular question. At this point, your opinion is as valid as anyone's. A lot could be cleared up (or muddled, most likely) this weekend.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

It's just an opinion that I'm willing to put in black in white.

Think outside the box for once and tell me who you think is the best rookie coach in the SEC?
Unless I'm leaving out someone, we have Spurrier (SC), Orgeron (Ole Miss), Meyer (Florida), and Miles (LSU). I don't think any of these coaches have done anything too exceptional with their teams so far, so I agree that we need to see how the rest of the season pans out. My evaluation of these coaches so far is below. The links show how everyone on SEC Talk predicted each team to do.

Les Miles (1st): At this point, I'd have to go with Les Miles as #1. He has taken LSU through quite a bit of adversity (due to Hurricanes he has had games canceled, rescheduled, and moved from home to an away game) and only has one loss. LSU has completed the "meat" of their schedule. I can easily see LSU finishing 10-1 (which is what I predicted at the beginning of the season), with Alabama the only hurdle left (and that game could go either way). GRADE: Les Miles gets a B.
http://www.sectalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=6033

Urban Meyer (2nd): Meyer so far is 5-2. Georgia and Florida State are the two big question marks on their remaining schedule (although I'd like to say we're a question mark). I picked Florida to go 8-3 before the season started. They should finish 8-3 or at the worst, 7-4 IMO. GRADE: Urban gets a C+.
http://www.sectalk.com/boards/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=345

Steve Spurrier (3rd): For the most part, Steve Spurrier has lost the games I expected him to lose and won the games I expected him to win. I did expect us to win the Bama game at home (but Bama has surprised quite a few of us). Not sure how we'll finish up, but I picked us to go 7-4 (we'll be 6-5 if we're lucky). GRADE: Spurrier gets a C.
http://www.sectalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=6028

Ed Orgeron (4th): Orgeron has not done as much as I thought he would in terms of wins and losses. I expected him to pull out the Vandy game and the Wyoming game, both of which he lost. I expected Ole Miss to have only one (maybe two losses) at this point in the season, before heading to the toughest part of their schedule. At 3-4, he's going to be hard pressed to win another game or two with the remaining games on his schedule (Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, and Mississippi State). I expect him to beat Mississippi State. I picked them to go 6-5 at the beginning of the season. Now I see a 4-7 record (outside chance at 5-6 if they can take out Arkansas). GRADE: Orgeron gets a C-.
http://www.sectalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=6036

Good, bad, or indifferent, that is my take on the 4 new coaches in the SEC this year (and the success, or lack thereof). Keep in mind, this is only for each coach and their team's performance on the field versus the expectations for their win-loss record this season (and not for recruiting, how they handled off-the-field issues, etc.).:cool:

[usafbamafan]

Unless I'm leaving out someone, we have Spurrier (SC), Orgeron (Ole Miss), Meyer (Florida), and Miles (LSU). I don't think any of these coaches has done anything too exceptional with their teams so far, so I agree that we need to see how the rest of the season pans out. My evaluation of these coaches so far is below. The links show how everyone on SEC Talk predicted each team to do.

Les Miles (1st): At this point, I'd have to go with Les Miles as #1. He has taken LSU through quite a bit of adversity (due to Hurricanes he has had games canceled, rescheduled, and moved from home to an away game) and only has one loss. I can easily see LSU finishing 10-1 (which is what I predicted at the beginning of the season), with Alabama the only hurdle left (and that game could go either way). GRADE: Les Miles gets a B.
http://www.sectalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=6033

Urban Meyer (2nd): Meyer so far is 5-2. Georgia and Florida State are the two big question marks on their remaining schedule (although I'd like to say we're a question mark). I picked Florida to go 8-3 before the season started. They should finish 8-3 or 7-4 IMO. GRADE: Urban gets a C+.
http://www.sectalk.com/boards/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=345

Steve Spurrier (3rd): For the most part, Steve Spurrier has lost the games I expected him to lose and won the games I expected him to win. I did expect us to win the Bama game at home (but Bama has surprised quite a few of us). Not sure how we'll finish up, but I picked us to go 7-4 (we'll be 6-5 if we're lucky). GRADE: Spurrier gets a C.
http://www.sectalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=6028

Ed Orgeron (4th): Orgeron has not done as much as I thought he would in terms of wins and losses. I expected him to pull out the Vandy game and the Wyoming game, both of which he lost. I expected Ole Miss to have only one (maybe two losses) at this point in the season, before heading to the toughest part of their schedule. At 3-4, he's going to be hard pressed to win another game or two with the remaining games on his schedule (Auburn, Arkansas, LSU, and Mississippi State). I expect him to beat Mississippi State. I picked them to go 6-5 at the beginning of the season. Now I see a 4-7 record (outside chance at 5-6 if they can take out Arkansas). GRADE: Orgeron gets a C-.
http://www.sectalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=6036

Good, bad, or indifferent, that is my take on the 4 new coaches in the SEC this year (and the success, or lack thereof). Keep in mind, this is only for each coach and their team's performance on the field versus the expectations for their win-loss record this season (and not for recruiting, off-the-field issues, etc.).:cool:

I would rank them

1. Spurrier - He cleaned house when he arrived in Gamecock land with a program that was left in turmoil by Holtz. He has made Mitchell into an outstanding QB without much of a supporting cast. I think most peoples expectations were unrealistic going into this season. If you look at what he has done with the athletes he has, He is my #1.

2. Miles - Sure LSU has a good record, but the one loss can be put squarely on his shoulders, while all of the wins can be attributed to the outstanding talent of his football team. The only reason I have him at 2 is because he has only lost one game.

3. Ed Orgeron - He hasn't done anything special yet, but I was impressed with the way the defense played in the Bama game. As far as pure coaching, I haven't seen any glaring mistakes or huge accomplishments.

4. Meyer - Clearly Meyer has taken the best pocket passing QB in the SEC and put him in a system that he is not comfortable with. This is still a good football team, and his system may work great in the future, but this year he has ruined his teams chances to win the SEC.

[grapenuts]

Why...because TN's talented team's offense is in a funk....because FL's supreme athletes are bogged in the mire of an ineffective spread option.... because Spurrier hasn't got all the players he needs to make his system go???

Hey...why not?

Ask the guy who wrote the story. It's his quote, not mine. Not that I disagree with him though...

[greggspacho]

Everyone is over looking the best coach in the SEC east. The best coach is the SEC east is and will always be:


















































































That's right: Fat Brad Scott(Oh, yeah)

[GamecockDieHard]

Greggspacho:

You know I really started worrying about how good cLIMPson was going to be when I saw them actually pick that lard butt up over their heads the first year he went there.

[grapenuts]

Well, Richt might be a good HC, but he is a HORRIBLE OC. Make no mistake, he called most of that BS, Joe T played his heart out and Richt couldn't even put him in position to make a play in the end. I mean QB sneak on 3rd and 11, then PLAY ACTION on fourth and the game?! What a joke. Congrats to the Gators, your D played well and took advantage of our lackluster start, but anybody who watched that game knows Joe T played his heart out. Our Lines sucked, and our play calling was atrocious on both sides. Leak, the most sacked QB in the league and Willie Martinez blitzes ONE TIME. And it worked the only time we did it. God that was so frustrating to watch as a Georgia fan. We could have fired up the PS2, ran the plays the Computer called and made out better than that junk. Oh well, at least we still lead in the East.

[rabidcock]

Steve Spurrier JUST pulled into the lead as "SEC ROOKIE COACH OF THE YEAR" :D

[ScreamingTiger]

It's just an opinion that I'm willing to put in black in white.

Think outside the box for once and tell me who you think is the best rookie coach in the SEC?
None of them have been that impressive but I'd put Ed Orgeron at the bottom of the list. Seems like you're the one living in a box Noah. Take off the crimson blinders and look around. Sure he put it on the Tide but he hasn't done anything else this year to crow about.

[rabidcock]

Ask the guy who wrote the story. It's his quote, not mine. Not that I disagree with him though...

Reread what I wrote. I actually intimated that perhaps Richt SHOULD be considered for that honor.

[GTmorris1970]

:cool: After losing 3 receivers tonight, being undersized on both lines, and finding a way to beat Tennessee in Knoxville, I think Spurrier showed tonight he is still the king.

[Neo]

Who would've thought that 8 weeks into the season that the best rookie coach in the SEC would be Ole Miss coach Ed Orgeron?



Noah,

You know that we're usually in agreement on most issues, but....


WHERE IN THE HELL ARE YOU GETTING THAT OPINION FROM????? :eek: :cool:

[cocky4ever]

Noah,

You know that we're usually in agreement on most issues, but....


WHERE IN THE HELL ARE YOU GETTING THAT OPINION FROM????? :eek: :cool:
Thats an easy answer....he's getting that opinion from bizarro-world :rolleyes:

[GatorNation]

Why...because TN's talented team's offense is in a funk....because FL's supreme athletes are bogged in the mire of an ineffective spread option....

Our supreme athletes (most of our team, in fact) haven't even played every game....not to mention being only 70-90 percent any given week.

[GatorNation]

Urban Meyer (2nd): Meyer so far is 5-2. Georgia and Florida State are the two big question marks on their remaining schedule (although I'd like to say we're a question mark). I picked Florida to go 8-3 before the season started. They should finish 8-3 or at the worst, 7-4 IMO. GRADE: Urban gets a C+....

Undefeated in the east to this point, beating two of our three most important rivals (jaw-juh and UT....with f$U later), great special teams system that held Skyler Green to one yard in total punt return yards, and the only Gator HC to beat two #4 teams in the same season (yes, that includes Spurrier) with major injuries to critical players and positions on a team already suffering from a lack of depth....and I think C+ is a bit harsh.

I don't think Meyer should be SEC Coach of the Year unless we get to (and win) the SECCG, but a lot of the issues with the offense are transition/personel stuff. And it's certainly not as if Florida's offense is the only one that's struggling this year.

There's been good and bad....and even some great, at times. My grade to this point is probably a solid B with potential to go either way.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Undefeated in the east to this point, beating two of our three most important rivals (jaw-juh and UT....with f$U later), great special teams system that held Skyler Green to one yard in total punt return yards, and the only Gator HC to beat two #4 teams in the same season (yes, that includes Spurrier) with major injuries to critical players and positions on a team already suffering from a lack of depth....and I think C+ is a bit harsh.

I don't think Meyer should be SEC Coach of the Year unless we get to (and win) the SECCG, but a lot of the issues with the offense are transition/personel stuff. And it's certainly not as if Florida's offense is the only one that's struggling this year.

There's been good and bad....and even some great, at times. My grade to this point is probably a solid B with potential to go either way.
I would agree with the B after yesterday's victory of your Gators over the Dawgs. You have to understand I gave that grade before you beat UGA yesterday. My grade for Spurrier would move to a B as well after we won the game against Tennessee (in Knoxville).

And, by the way, congrats on your win over UGA yesterday.

[GatorNation]

I would agree with the B after yesterday's victory of your Gators over the Dawgs. You have to understand I gave that grade before you beat UGA yesterday. My grade for Spurrier would move to a B as well after we won the game against Tennessee (in Knoxville).

And, by the way, congrats on your win over UGA yesterday.

Thanks....and I agree about Spurrier. Great win for the cocks.

[DAWG@heart]

The coach of the year or in the SEC is definelty not Conservative Coach Mark Richter. He needs to go shoot himself. His forte is quickly becoming his idiotic belief that you can win every game by attempting to pull a fast one on the other team... I thought he learned that in 2001 against Auburn.

[SilverBritches]

The coach of the year or in the SEC is definelty not Conservative Coach Mark Richter. He needs to go shoot himself. His forte is quickly becoming his idiotic belief that you can win every game by attempting to pull a fast one on the other team... I thought he learned that in 2001 against Auburn.

Yeah, all he has done is run our program into the ground. :rolleyes:

[DAWG@heart]

Yeah, all he has done is run our program into the ground. :rolleyes:


don't be a smart ass, you know what i mean. How many games has he lost doing that crap?

[SilverBritches]

don't be a smart ass, you know what i mean. How many games has he lost doing that crap?

Well when you say our coach needs to shoot himself, I honestly wonder if that is what you think.

[DAWG@heart]

Well when you say our coach needs to shoot himself, I honestly wonder if that is what you think.


how many times does a kid have to touch a hot stove before he learns he gonna get burned every time ?

So, yea.. he needs to shoot himself for being ignorant. Come on, 3rd and 11, 1:39 to go in the game, would you or any other Joe Schmo run a QB draw with Joe T 3? See what I am saying?

[SilverBritches]

how many times does a kid have to touch a hot stove before he learns he gonna get burned every time ?

So, yea.. he needs to shoot himself for being ignorant. Come on, 3rd and 11, 1:39 to go in the game, would you or any other Joe Schmo run a QB draw with Joe T 3? See what I am saying?

While I don't agree with the play call, it was designed to get 4 of 5 yards to make the 4th down easier to convert.

I am upset with the playcalling as well just like you are. But I am still damn glad to have Mark Richt as our head coach.

[GeauxTo]

I think the best coach in the East is Steve Spurrier.
Not the winningest, yet, but the best.
;)

[gmcck4life]

After watching the Ga/Fla game, I have 1 question to ask. Did Mark hire Lou as his OC?
Play calling was terrible.

[GeorgiaPride]

Richt and Martinez need to evaluate their play calling during the off week. But I agree anybody that wouldn't want Richt as a head coach is an idiot. We really do need an offensive coordinator who calls the plays from the booth. I believe I said this in another thread after the USC game but hey what do we know??

[cocky4ever]

I think the best coach in the East is Steve Spurrier.
Not the winningest, yet, but the best.
;)
I have to agree. Look at the progress this team has made this season. We started out slow, but when you think of the number of players we lost and the amount of difference in the system used this year compared to last year that is to be expected. Once he recruits his own players and has his system firmly in place, which is coming along at a pretty decent pace, SC could be dangerous.

[GatorNation]

how many times does a kid have to touch a hot stove before he learns he gonna get burned every time ?

So, yea.. he needs to shoot himself for being ignorant. Come on, 3rd and 11, 1:39 to go in the game, would you or any other Joe Schmo run a QB draw with Joe T 3? See what I am saying?

He called it before for a really nice gain (I think it was a third down).....and if it works, you go with it.

[DAWG@heart]

He called it before for a really nice gain (I think it was a third down).....and if it works, you go with it.


ON 3RD AND 11 WITH 1:39 TO GO IN THE GAME !!! You don't play shits and giggles when the game is on the line.

When you have a 6'9 TE like Pope, why not run a TE delay with a 5 - 8 yard curl route, let Pope box out the LB or CB and let him run for a 1st down or even get it to 4th and 5 or 4th and 2.

I don't give a damn what anyone says.... Mark Richt let the team down. UGA played their hearts out and the Richter let them down.

Hope he doesn't pull the same crap when we play Auburn

[SilverBritches]

Mark Richt let the team down. UGA played their hearts out and the Richter let them down.


I didn't know it was his fault that our WRs and TEs dropped so many passes. I didn't know if it was his fault that our kicker hasn't missed a kick all year and then goes 0/2 against Florida.

You can't blame this loss on one person.

[DAWG@heart]

I didn't know it was his fault that our WRs and TEs dropped so many passes. I didn't know if it was his fault that our kicker hasn't missed a kick all year and then goes 0/2 against Florida.

You can't blame this loss on one person.


yea, you can in this case. Up until that point in the game, every thing you said had already happened. It was Richt's call, he F'D it up big time and let UGA down.

[SilverBritches]

yea, you can in this case. Up until that point in the game, every thing you said had already happened. It was Richt's call, he F'D it up big time and let UGA down.

Had we caught those passes and made those kicks earlier in the game he wouldn't of been in the position he was in.

So again, tell me how Richt is any more responsible for the loss than our WRs and TEs who dropped passes, or our kicker that missed 2 kicks, or our defense giving up 14 points in the first 6 minutes of the game?

[DAWG@heart]

Regardless.... You Gotta Work With What You Got And What Happens. All That Crap Happening To Us Gives Him All The More Reason To Run Something Else Other Than A Qb Draw On 3rd And 11 With 1:30 To Go In The Game. Like I Said, Why Not Throw It To Pope On A 5-8 Yard Curl Route, Letting Him Seal Off His Defending And Possibly Running For The 1st Down. Which One Seems More Of The Right Call ?? Or Even Remotely Close To What Anyone Other Than Richter Would Do !!!! Case In Point...... Despite The Talent Level Difference Or Whatever Other Crappy Reason You Think Of To Disput It..... Usc Vs. Notre Dame -- Usc's Got 4th And 12, It's Their Ballgame Right Here, Did They Run Leinart Or Hell, Even Reggie Bush... No, Carroll Calls A Wheel Route That Got Them What They Needed Plus And They Won The Game........so There, Quit Defending Richt. Put It To Rest. Ask Yourself Would You Have Run The Same Play In That Situation.......... Hell No !

Another Case In Point..... My Bro Played Ball At Uga, He's Got The Insider Info. Did You Know That Before The Ul Monroe Game, Richt Promised He'd Let Bobo Run The Offense In The Second Half. Ok, We Score 17 Points With Richt Calling The Plays, We Scored 30+ With Bobo Calling The Plays........ Things That Make You Go Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

I Dare You To Respond !!

[rabidcock]

"hated team: Tenn. & SC"

Thanks for the compliment! May we be a thorn in your side for years to come. :D

Hey DAWG, better luck next week! Will DJ be back?

[Djshockley3]

Thanks for the compliment! May we be a thorn in your side for years to come. :D

Hey DAWG, better luck next week! Will DJ be back?


We have a off week and then we play AU and yes DJ will be back.

[SilverBritches]

Regardless.... You Gotta Work With What You Got And What Happens. All That Crap Happening To Us Gives Him All The More Reason To Run Something Else Other Than A Qb Draw On 3rd And 11 With 1:30 To Go In The Game. Like I Said, Why Not Throw It To Pope On A 5-8 Yard Curl Route, Letting Him Seal Off His Defending And Possibly Running For The 1st Down. Which One Seems More Of The Right Call ?? Or Even Remotely Close To What Anyone Other Than Richter Would Do !!!! Case In Point...... Despite The Talent Level Difference Or Whatever Other Crappy Reason You Think Of To Disput It..... Usc Vs. Notre Dame -- Usc's Got 4th And 12, It's Their Ballgame Right Here, Did They Run Leinart Or Hell, Even Reggie Bush... No, Carroll Calls A Wheel Route That Got Them What They Needed Plus And They Won The Game........so There, Quit Defending Richt. Put It To Rest. Ask Yourself Would You Have Run The Same Play In That Situation.......... Hell No !

Another Case In Point..... My Bro Played Ball At Uga, He's Got The Insider Info. Did You Know That Before The Ul Monroe Game, Richt Promised He'd Let Bobo Run The Offense In The Second Half. Ok, We Score 17 Points With Richt Calling The Plays, We Scored 30+ With Bobo Calling The Plays........ Things That Make You Go Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

I Dare You To Respond !!

I haven't been defending the play call. I have stated that I didn't like the play call. I understand the reasoning behind the play call, but I didn't agree with it.

If I were running the offense I would have thrown 2 straight jump balls to Pope on 3rd and 4th. Not that it matters what I would do.

The only thing I am arguing with you about is placing all the blame on Richt's play calling.

[DAWG@heart]

I haven't been defending the play call. I have stated that I didn't like the play call. I understand the reasoning behind the play call, but I didn't agree with it.

If I were running the offense I would have thrown 2 straight jump balls to Pope on 3rd and 4th. Not that it matters what I would do.

The only thing I am arguing with you about is placing all the blame on Richt's play calling.


http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2005/Columnists/MZ/MondayMorningQuarterback.htm

I'm glad someone knows a little about football and agrees with me.

[DAWG@heart]

Give it up Richt..... Randy Sanders for OC !! LOL...

NO, seriously, Mike Bobo needs to take over. He's an ideal canidate for OC. He was an excellent QB and can provide some amazing insight to incoming recruit Matthew Stafford. He also doesn't have a stick up his ass and will actually let the dogs out... CiP... 2nd half of UL Monroe game. He called the plays, offense scored 30+ points.

[SilverBritches]

http://www.collegefootballnews.com/2005/Columnists/MZ/MondayMorningQuarterback.htm

I'm glad someone knows a little about football and agrees with me.

I didn't even think about the timeout issue. That just makes the call even worse.

Coach Richt is certainly deserves partial blame for the loss, but not all of the blame.

Also, we need to hire a new WR coach. Our WRs just aren't getting it done. Some of them don't catch the ball and when they do, they fall down instead of running through the catch and getting some YACs.

[SilverBritches]

Give it up Richt..... Randy Sanders for OC !! LOL...

NO, seriously, Mike Bobo needs to take over. He's an ideal canidate for OC. He was an excellent QB and can provide some amazing insight to incoming recruit Matthew Stafford. He also doesn't have a stick up his ass and will actually let the dogs out... CiP... 2nd half of UL Monroe game. He called the plays, offense scored 30+ points.

His time will come for being OC. I think he is being groomed for that position in the future.

[GeorgiaPride]

I am sorry but Dawg@Heart is correct. Richt being the genius that is supposed to be calls a QB sneak on 3rd and long and then play action on 4th down. Why? On the Mark Richt show he said Florida used a defense that they haven't used all season on 4th down. Are you kidding me? They sent pressure, who cares everybody but Georgia sends pressure, you still don’t need to call play action!!! I am amazed that he was the play caller for a very dominate offense in Florida State. Simply amazed.

[DAWG@heart]

I am sorry but Dawg@Heart is correct. Richt being the genius that is supposed to be calls a QB sneak on 3rd and long and then play action on 4th down. Why? On the Mark Richt show he said Florida used a defense that they haven't used all season on 4th down. Are you kidding me? They sent pressure, who cares everybody but Georgia sends pressure, you still don’t need to call play action!!! I am amazed that he was the play caller for a very dominate offense in Florida State. Simply amazed.

I think Richt looked to much into how offenses were run in the SEC. Other than Spurrier's Fun N Gun at Florida, everyone else was a power run, play action offense. In the ACC, come on, FSU murdered people in the 90's. So, we can't really gauge his play-calling at FSU when you played D-II schools every week, the talent level was way to high.

Of course, as of late, UGA is notorious for not doing what works. How did LSU and Alabama beat Fla? Blitzing, did we? hell no, "we are too good to do that".

All I have to say is if this crap continues, it could really hurt UGA's recruiting base. Some of the recruits might come in and be like, this is a boring offense and turn their nose up at it. CiP, do you not think that Leonard Pope would be catching balls like mad at somewhere like University of Miami? A dynamic player such as Pope and that of Stafford, Naderris Ward, Vidal Hazelton?? (maybe).. can't have their talents tied up by a conservative coach. It will kill UGA's recruiting base if something is not done!!!

[volimhtown]

You Dawg fans kill me. Richt has single-handedly put the Georgia football program back on the map after years of mediocrity. He has taken a very average team, this season, and led them to a 7-1 record and most likely an SEC CG appearance. He loses a 4 point game to Florida with his team being desimated with injuries, and you guys are ready to burn him at the stake. If you want to take issue with his play calling, fine, but don't lose sight of the big picture!

[GeauxTo]

Quit arguing, guys.

Spurs is the best coach in the East, hands down. No contest.

;)

[VOLCANIC]

Quit arguing, guys.

Spurs is the best coach in the East, hands down. No contest.

;)

I think Fulmer would have to agree with you Geaux, as do I.

[SilverBritches]

I am sorry but Dawg@Heart is correct. Richt being the genius that is supposed to be calls a QB sneak on 3rd and long and then play action on 4th down. Why? On the Mark Richt show he said Florida used a defense that they haven't used all season on 4th down. Are you kidding me? They sent pressure, who cares everybody but Georgia sends pressure, you still don’t need to call play action!!! I am amazed that he was the play caller for a very dominate offense in Florida State. Simply amazed.

Do you remember the Tennessee game in 2001? The one where we won off a play action pass with 6 seconds left? Did anybody think we were really running the ball? Go back and watch that 4th down play. If Tereshinski had time to throw, Brannon Southerland was wide open.

Also, it wasn't a new defense. It was a new stunt. Our offensive line didn't pick it up.

[SilverBritches]

I think Richt looked to much into how offenses were run in the SEC. Other than Spurrier's Fun N Gun at Florida, everyone else was a power run, play action offense. In the ACC, come on, FSU murdered people in the 90's. So, we can't really gauge his play-calling at FSU when you played D-II schools every week, the talent level was way to high.

Of course, as of late, UGA is notorious for not doing what works. How did LSU and Alabama beat Fla? Blitzing, did we? hell no, "we are too good to do that".

All I have to say is if this crap continues, it could really hurt UGA's recruiting base. Some of the recruits might come in and be like, this is a boring offense and turn their nose up at it. CiP, do you not think that Leonard Pope would be catching balls like mad at somewhere like University of Miami? A dynamic player such as Pope and that of Stafford, Naderris Ward, Vidal Hazelton?? (maybe).. can't have their talents tied up by a conservative coach. It will kill UGA's recruiting base if something is not done!!!

You want to know why we didn't blitz? Because Florida was running the ball down our throats. Think about what their run game could have done to us if we were blitzing our LBs. I think we should have blitzed more than once but we couldn't send the house every play.

Yeah, our offense is really killing our recruiting base. The only thing we have to show is the #1 rated QB in the nation. :rolleyes:

[SilverBritches]

You Dawg fans kill me. Richt has single-handedly put the Georgia football program back on the map after years of mediocrity. He has taken a very average team, this season, and led them to a 7-1 record and most likely an SEC CG appearance. He loses a 4 point game to Florida with his team being desimated with injuries, and you guys are ready to burn him at the stake. If you want to take issue with his play calling, fine, but don't lose sight of the big picture!

LMAO. A Vol fan has better perspective on Georgia than a lot of Georgia fans.

[SilverBritches]

Quit arguing, guys.

Spurs is the best coach in the East, hands down. No contest.

;)

We aren't arguing over that. Some of these Georgia fans seem to think that Mark Richt is the worst coach in the East.

[GeauxTo]

We aren't arguing over that. Some of these Georgia fans seem to think that Mark Richt is the worst coach in the East.
Oh...
I thought that was Fulmer or the current KY coach. Certainly not Richt.

[Djshockley3]

We aren't arguing over that. Some of these Georgia fans seem to think that Mark Richt is the worst coach in the East.



Ok, while UGApride took Dawg's side. I am gonna side with silver. How in the heck can you complain about Mark Richt. He has put us on the map he is a great coach. Hey Dawg and Pride do you want Jim Donnan back. :cool:

[rabidcock]

Ok, while UGApride took Dawg's side. I am gonna side with silver. How in the heck can you complain about Mark Richt. He has put us on the map he is a great coach. Hey Dawg and Pride do you want Jim Donnan back. :cool:

Regarding recruiting alone, he is a godsend. Remember--Vince Dooley is gone.

[SilverBritches]

Oh...
I thought that was Fulmer or the current KY coach. Certainly not Richt.

Try telling some Georgia fans that.

[Djshockley3]

Try telling some Georgia fans that.


Telling other UGA fans.I do not have one problem with Coach Richt!!

[All about the UF]

So much for Richt starting a winning streak against Florida you can forget that. Oh well for the coach of the year that is somewhat out the question also he is a good coach i give you that but to put him in front of one of the winningest coaches in the NCAA (aka Spurrier) i mean come on guys be serious.

[DAWG@heart]

Do you remember the Tennessee game in 2001? The one where we won off a play action pass with 6 seconds left? Did anybody think we were really running the ball? Go back and watch that 4th down play. If Tereshinski had time to throw, Brannon Southerland was wide open.

Also, it wasn't a new defense. It was a new stunt. Our offensive line didn't pick it up.



Well, I hate to bust it open for you, but....

2001 - UGA vs. Tenn

UGA was completely outmanned and had nothing to lose, we were supposed to lose anyway, so why not take a shot? However, Richt didn't take a shot at them, he made the right call. So, what you are saying I don't quite understand. Why would you ever run the ball against a goaline set D inside the 10 yard line on 4th down in the 4th quarter?

As for the 4th down play.... Joe T should have been in the gun with a RB protecting. Of course Florida is bringing the house on 4th down 11 with an immobile backup QB. They pay him $2 mill a year to make calls like this? I'll call bonehead plays to lose games and take a $2mill paycheck.


As for all of you who think Richt has lead us to the forefront. You think that, but your mindset hasn't changed a bit from the days of Donnan. So what we've won 10 games for 3 straight years, I for one am tired of 10 wins a year. Sorry, it's just how I came up in football playing in high school. You never settle and get complacent, always improve, always dominate. Elite teams dominate. If UGA is an elite team, it's time for 12 wins, or 13 wins and 0 defeats with an SEC title and a nat'l title in the trophy case. Richt's got the talent, but he lacking the tenacity to get us there. That is what is so frustrating. WHen you got talent to get it done and the coach is holding them back.

[USC_fanboy04]

I would have to say Spurrier at this point, for the amount of starters kicked off the team at the beginning at the year, and the talent compared to the other East teams, he has put Carolina in a position for a bowl and SEC: East 2nd place. And the team continues to improve each week.

My list would go as follows for Best coach:

Spurrier
Richt
Meyer
Bobby Johnson
Fulmer
Brooks

[All about the UF]

Well, Richt might be a good HC, but he is a HORRIBLE OC. Make no mistake, he called most of that BS, Joe T played his heart out and Richt couldn't even put him in position to make a play in the end. I mean QB sneak on 3rd and 11, then PLAY ACTION on fourth and the game?! What a joke. Congrats to the Gators, your D played well and took advantage of our lackluster start, but anybody who watched that game knows Joe T played his heart out. Our Lines sucked, and our play calling was atrocious on both sides. Leak, the most sacked QB in the league and Willie Martinez blitzes ONE TIME. And it worked the only time we did it. God that was so frustrating to watch as a Georgia fan. We could have fired up the PS2, ran the plays the Computer called and made out better than that junk. Oh well, at least we still lead in the East.

I agree with u on this whole subject GDawg.

[SilverBritches]

WHen you got talent to get it done and the coach is holding them back.

That statement applies to Jim Donnan, not Mark Richt. Lets look at his teams.

2001- His 1st year so this doesn't really mean much.
2002- We were picked 3rd in the east and went on to a 13-1 record with an SEC Championship and Sugar Bowl win.
2003- We lose our entire LB corps, entire OL, starting RB, best WR in UGA history in Terrance Edwards, our best DT who was a top 10 NFL draft pick, our FB, our S. That is 8 starters on offense and 5 starters on defense that we lost. Yet we still went 11-3 with 2 losses to eventual national champion LSU.
2004-Went 10-2 with a letdown loss to Tennessee and a loss to Auburn who went undefeated.

That is hardly holding his team back.

[SilverBritches]

As for all of you who think Richt has lead us to the forefront. You think that, but your mindset hasn't changed a bit from the days of Donnan.

What the hell do you think going from 7-8 wins a year to 10+ wins a year is then.

What do you think leading to the forefront is then? Winning a MNC every year? Get real.

[Djshockley3]

What the hell do you think going from 7-8 wins a year to 10+ wins a year is then.

What do you think leading to the forefront is then? Winning a MNC every year? Get real.

Exactly, Donnan and Richt are no comparison. Donnan had as much talent if not more than Richt and could only win 7 games a season. :cool:

[DAWG@heart]

Simple philosophy boys.... my old high school team motto

BE PERFECT AND EXCEED EXPECTATIONS !!


The Donnan years with Quincy on crack and Dooley not hiring anyone to outdo him don't exactly count in my book. Whereas with the hire of Richt, Dooley was pressured by Alumni to hire a capable coach. In the end, Dooley got screwed anyway and lost his job. So, we can pretty much write off the years of Ray Goof and Jim Donnan cuz they weren't coaches as much as they were just fill ins to "sustain" a program to adequate liking.

We've got a capable coach now. He's suppose to lead us to the next level. Ok, we've got a SEC title, 1st in 20 years, do we stop on this step of the ladder? Or, do we keep moving? With that play calling last week, Richter sent me a loud and clear message that he intends on staying on this step of the ladder yet one more year.

[volimhtown]

Simple philosophy boys.... my old high school team motto

BE PERFECT AND EXCEED EXPECTATIONS !!




Mottos are great and all, but come on....PERFECT does not exist in ANY facet of life...especially in sports. As far as EXCEEDING EXPECTATIONS, Richt gets an A+ this season in my book. I mean honestly, who, outside Athens, really thought this Dawg team would be 7-1 to this point? Especially when you consider the fact that the one loss was due more to injuries than it was anything else.
If you have the expectation of the Dawgs to consistently compete for the NT every year, then you have the bar set WAY too high. This IS the SEC you're talking about. The talent level between the top 6-7 teams is very comparable. For that reason alone, you just are not going to accomplish that. That's not a rub against Georgia, the players, or Richt, just reality. You need alot of breaks and alot of the balls to bounce your way to get through this league undefeated.
Be patient...give the guy time. You have the right guy to get the job done. Alot of the same crap was said about Osborne before he won his first. He is now an idol in the state of Nebraska. He was there much longer than this before he finally got to the mountain top. Just be thankful that you're much closer to the summit than you are the valley!!

[SilverBritches]

We've got a capable coach now. He's suppose to lead us to the next level. Ok, we've got a SEC title, 1st in 20 years, do we stop on this step of the ladder? Or, do we keep moving? With that play calling last week, Richter sent me a loud and clear message that he intends on staying on this step of the ladder yet one more year.

Yes, I am sure he is purposely trying to not win a national championship.
:rolleyes:

[WordenS]

This is my opinion on the ranking of coaches in the east...

Spurrier
Richt
Fulmer
Meyer
Bobby Johnson
Brooks

[Djshockley3]

This is my opinion on the ranking of coaches in the east...

Spurrier
Richt
Fulmer
Meyer
Bobby Johnson
Brooks


Welcome and here is my opinion.


1.Spurrier
2.Richt
3.Bobby Johnson
4.Meyer
5.Fulmer
6.Brooks :D

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Here's mine.....

1. Spurrier
2. Fulmer
3. Richt
4. Meyer
5. Johnson
6. Brooks

[SilverBritches]

1. Spurrier
2. Richt
3. Fulmer
4. Meyer
5. Johnson
6. Brooks

[GatorNation]

You Dawg fans kill me. Richt has single-handedly put the Georgia football program back on the map after years of mediocrity. He has taken a very average team, this season, and led them to a 7-1 record and most likely an SEC CG appearance. He loses a 4 point game to Florida with his team being desimated with injuries, and you guys are ready to burn him at the stake. If you want to take issue with his play calling, fine, but don't lose sight of the big picture!

Yeah, isn't jaw-juh the winningest program in the last 5 or so years?

:rolleyes:

[JerryBeeds]

1. Spurrier
2. Richt
3. Fulmer
4. Meyer
5. Johnson
6. Brooks

Those would be my picks exactly.

[Djshockley3]

Those would be my picks exactly.


Did we really need to know that? :D

[JerryBeeds]

Did we really need to know that? :D

Don't test me boy... :D

[GatorNation]

1. Spurrier
2. Richt
3. Fulmer
4. Meyer
5. Johnson
6. Brooks

1. Spurs
2. Meyer
3. Fulmer
4. Richt
5. Johnson
6. Brooks

Hey, Meyer is undefeated in the east! Lemme alone....

:D

[Djshockley3]

1. Spurs
2. Meyer
3. Fulmer
4. Richt
5. Johnson
6. Brooks

Hey, Meyer is undefeated in the east! Lemme alone....

:D



Fulmer and Meyer ahead of Richt. You are so funny. :cool:

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

1.Spurrier
2.Richt
3.Meyer
4.Fulmer
5.Johnson
6.Can we call Brooks a coach?

[Bongo]

Fulmer and Meyer ahead of Richt. You are so funny. :cool:


What did you expect from a gator ?