Tubs speaks out against the ESPN mafia [Archive]

Jay Bee

10-25-2005, 10:42 AM

Tuberville speaks out against BCS system, ESPN

By Mike Tankersley
Montgomery Advertiser

Join the club, Alabama and Georgia. And Virginia Tech is welcome, too.

That was the message Monday from Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville, who
spoke at the Montgomery Quarterback Club's noon luncheon two days
after watching his team's 13-game SEC winning streak come to an end at
Baton Rouge.

Tuberville, whose team was shut out of the BCS national title game
last season, was asked if he thought the same thing might happen to an
SEC school again this year. That got him started on the Bowl
Championship Series system and the national media, particularly ESPN.

"It's done," Tuberville said. "The national media, led by ESPN, wants
to see Vince Young vs. Matt Leinart in the championship game. It's
going to be those two teams unless Texas or USC get upset.

"Last year, they wanted to see the two Heisman Trophy quarterbacks,
Jason White and Leinart. After six or seven games, we were out of it.

"If four teams are undefeated at the end of the season, there should
be a playoff. There should've been one last year. But it's decided
already. I don't like it."

Tuberville spoke out sharply against ESPN and the influence it wields
on the college game. He said the opinions ESPN hosts and analysts put
out on the airwaves each week tend to shape the opinions of fans and
media people around the country.

And he's not at all happy about that.

"ESPN has gotten so much power lately, it's kinda scary," Tuberville
said. "And most of their analysts are coaches who haven't won any
games. That's why they're there. I think you know who I'm talking
about.

"And Lou Holtz gets on there and talks about what a team has to do win
that game, and the guy couldn't beat anybody in our conference. These
guys will come talk to you and look you straight in the eye and tell
you something, then they'll get on the air and say something else.

"ESPN, I'll tell you, I don't have much to do with them anymore."

Tuberville told the audience that when he got to his office Sunday
after attending church, he heard a noise from the practice field. He
checked it out and saw that it was John Vaughn, who was kicking by
himself off a tee.

"I guess he was kicking out his frustrations," Tuberville said,
referring to Vaughn's five missed field-goal attempts Saturday night.
"He's sick about it. He's a good kicker. He just had one of those
nights. We all have them. And you'll never hear or read about this,
but the wind on that field was swirling. It was a guessing game as to
where to kick the ball. But he'll recover."

Tuberville said he paid close attention to the Auburn players after
the game. He hated losing the game, but what he saw from his players
afterward inspired him.

"You find out a lot about people in a situation like that," he said.
"I sat back in the locker room and watched John (Vaughn), and every
player on that team came by and said something to him. You travel with
70 players, and every one of them went by and talked to him.

"I don't mean they just patted him on the back. They all went up to
him and sat down and talked to him. I was very proud of that. That kid
was upset."

Tuberville thinks his team grew up a little while battling LSU on the road.

"When you do lose, you want it to affect your players," Tuberville
said. "There weren't five words said on the entire plane ride home,
and that was a long trip. It affected our guys."

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supergenius

10-25-2005, 10:48 AM

I tend to agree with wingnut about ESPN and Lou Holtz. RTR

frankallyn

10-25-2005, 11:06 AM

Dont care what you think, get off this board.

supergenius

10-25-2005, 11:11 AM

Dont care what you think, get off this board.
The name of this board is SEC Talk not Barners R Us. Careful not to enter a battle that you cannot win. RTR

GAMECOCK_FAN

10-25-2005, 11:11 AM

Dont care what you think, get off this board.
Is there a purpose for that comment? He, and everyone on here, has the right to post in whatever thread they like. If you don't like it, maybe it's you that should leave. ;)

Jay_Lupo

10-25-2005, 11:21 AM

Yeah, I don't get that. What are you upset about? Anyway, very well said by Tommy T. I agree 100 percent with everything in that story. Also, very surprised and impressed with the Auburn players after the game with Vaughn. One of my best friends played for the Razorbacks and he said when our kicker missed a FG in the 4Q and later missed what would've been a game-winner in the 3OT in Knoxville a few years ago (we lost in the 6OT), he said players were threatening to "beat the hell out of" O'Donahoe and that a few guys just berrated him while he was in the locker room crying. Sad story, but I was at that game and I can't say that I wasn't saying the same thing. Anyway, Definitely a lot of class and unity on the Tigers' part.

OrangeCrush

10-25-2005, 11:22 AM

Dont care what you think, get off this board.

Please, do not be a troll. It would make this board better if you could add something to it as opposed to telling people to leave the board. I understand the hate/hate relationship many Auburn and Alabama fans have for each other. That being said, SG agreed with your coaches thoughts. Why on earth are you trying to pick a fight?

As far as Tubbs comments, the people to blame are Roy Kramer and the SEC offices. Kramer is the man behind the creation of the BCS. The SEC decided to sign up with inferior CBS and be on its own. ESPN/ABC is going to market their product and that is how business is. Nobody in their right mind should think that ESPN/ABC is objective with their coverage. Considering that ESPN is the national sports programming, the SEC is hurt by lack of exposure to the national audience.

Jay_Lupo

10-25-2005, 11:35 AM

College football is the greatest sport on earth, IMO, by far, but the way it determines its champion is ridiculous. I was already disapproving, but last year when one of our own was undefeated - an amazing feat in this conference - and got left out, well lets just say I've really soured on the BCS and just the NCAA postseason in general. I love the bowls, but come on, there's got to be a better way to determine the best team in the land than the BCS.

ScreamingTiger

10-25-2005, 11:42 AM

frankallyn comment = rookie mistake I hope. Come on dude. Don't stoop to the bammer slammer level.

WDE!

...oh and yeah, nice article....you go tubby!

supergenius

10-25-2005, 12:36 PM

frankallyn comment = rookie mistake I hope. Come on dude. Don't stoop to the bammer slammer level.

WDE!

...oh and yeah, nice article....you go tubby!
Frankallyn is no rookie, just a troll. RTR

Jordan

10-25-2005, 12:47 PM

Dont care what you think, get off this board.
Just curious, what's the problem? The whole post is FOR Tubberville, not people bashing him. He's said what everyone and their brother has hoped someone would stand up and say for a long time coming.

TigerFanatic

10-25-2005, 01:14 PM

aye. i hate tubby, think he's a total piece of trash, but even i have to tip my hat to him after a speach like that

GeauxTo

10-25-2005, 02:07 PM

Barners R Us.
Now that 's hilarious!!
:D

ScreamingTiger

10-25-2005, 02:38 PM

aye. i hate tubby, think he's a total piece of trash, but even i have to tip my hat to him after a speach like that

Come on now. I know what Tubs did to Ole Miss was pretty lame but you got to admit he's running a class act now at AU. Good to know that you can accept that he did the right thing there but I think it's way past time to stop trashing ole TT. He's settled in there at AU and nobody (even Mr. Colonial Bank) is going to get rid of him now.

uscrebel

10-25-2005, 03:33 PM

Come on now. I know what Tubs did to Ole Miss was pretty lame but you got to admit he's running a class act now at AU. Good to know that you can accept that he did the right thing there but I think it's way past time to stop trashing ole TT. He's settled in there at AU and nobody (even Mr. Colonial Bank) is going to get rid of him now.

Screamer...

I will stop trashing TT (I like that...T T....it reminds me of him!) when he does two things. 1. Admits that what he did in leaving Ole Miss was unethical and caused long term recruiting damage to the program. 2. Makes a public pledge to start acting like a grown-up instead of a dopey teenager.
:mad:

Rebeldrummer

10-25-2005, 04:25 PM

Dont care what you think, get off this board.

you have leaned toward troll since you joined here ..

Chill with that attitude ! No one provoked you into a response , and if I had to choose to ban one of you it surely wouldn't be SG.

ScreamingTiger

10-25-2005, 04:36 PM

Screamer...

I will stop trashing TT (I like that...T T....it reminds me of him!) when he does two things. 1. Admits that what he did in leaving Ole Miss was unethical and caused long term recruiting damage to the program. 2. Makes a public pledge to start acting like a grown-up instead of a dopey teenager.
:mad:
Such is life man. I sure as hell am not about to apologize to my former employer who was taking me for granted & wasn't paying me enough to consider staying there. I've changed jobs 4 times in 20 years. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. College coaching is a cutthroat business. Sometimes the coach gets to cut the throat and move to greener pastures. Time to let go & move on.

Rebeldrummer

10-25-2005, 04:46 PM

Such is life man. I sure as hell am not about to apologize to my former employer who was taking me for granted & wasn't paying me enough to consider staying there. I've changed jobs 4 times in 20 years. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. College coaching is a cutthroat business. Sometimes the coach gets to cut the throat and move to greener pastures. Time to let go & move on.

Oh my now it was our fault that Tub left .. after giving him everything he asked for .. during probation we expanded stadium and built up a ticket sales .. and offered him the same money as auburn did ...

I don't care that he left .. I acre that he quit doing his job before he left while saying he wasn't leaving and went to a division rival school . and your not about to make it look Like we didn't give him a chance ..

as amatter of fact we ended up paying his replacement more than you paid Tub ... he left because he wanted more spot light . and don't for a minute think that if Miami comes open he ain't gone

ScreamingTiger

10-25-2005, 05:00 PM

Spurrierismyhomeboy

10-25-2005, 05:12 PM

Im so glad he trashed Corso's a*s!!!!

uscrebel

10-25-2005, 05:44 PM

Such is life man. I sure as hell am not about to apologize to my former employer who was taking me for granted & wasn't paying me enough to consider staying there. I've changed jobs 4 times in 20 years. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. College coaching is a cutthroat business. Sometimes the coach gets to cut the throat and move to greener pastures. Time to let go & move on.

Screamer....

By and large, I don't disagree with you, but what Tubbie did was to make up his mind in October and proceed to lie to players and administrators about his plans. In the same way that the the Big Boys tried to go after Petrino two years ago, they met with Tubbie and finalized plans. Tubbie stopped recruiting and reportedly encouraged several recruits to talk to Auburn. He also trashed the recruiting database and it took the new regime months to figure out who had been talked to and who had not.

Using your analogy of being taken for granted by an employer, I would say the proper thing to do would be to go, but not to intentionally damage the employer in the process. His continued impulsive acts and whining do not give me cause cease my dislike for him.

It is not THAT he left...it's HOW he left. I must admit to huge doses of schadenfreude everytime something happens that upset him.
:cool: :cool:

Rebeldrummer

10-25-2005, 05:46 PM

Dream what you will of the situation. I don't in any way condone the way he left Ole Missy (nothing we can do about that now) but don't you think it's about time to bury the hatchet? As for the Miami job, I hardly doubt he would want to raise his kids down there.

Do you have children of your own that are the same age? I do and believe me changing schools at thier age is a MAJOR big deal and I would much rather raise mine here in Alabama than down in that trashy gutter. Tuberville is a good family man and will do what is best for his own.

yea so you raising your children where has what to do with him . he has already shown his true colors. Money and fame will get him to go anywhere .

and I am so Glad to here how auburn peopl ethink it is time to forgive and forget . In Short NO ! you don't Lie to fans and admin and say you are staying .. but worse than that you don't Lie to the players you recruited .. and then bolt after a game and never speak to them .

GatorNation

10-26-2005, 07:13 PM

I tend to agree with wingnut about ESPN and Lou Holtz. RTR

You have to be a tubby fan after that speech. He earned my respect....I hope Lee and Lou were listening.

Cianne

10-26-2005, 09:26 PM

You have to be a tubby fan after that speech.

Naw ya don't.

Jay Bee

10-27-2005, 07:40 AM

WayzUp

10-27-2005, 08:12 AM

Tubs reminds me of a tall Vizzini from The Princess Bride...
http://www.wrrx.com/images/wayzup/tubszinni.jpg

TUBSZINNI: "Now, a clever head coach would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool from ESPN would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me."

[Tubszinni drinks wine...ESPN starts giggling & says, "You guessed wrong, Tubszinni...it's USC v. Okiehoma just like we wanted. And it'll be USC v. Texas this year so there!"]

TUBSZINNI: "You only think I guessed wrong, you cheaters - that's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned. Ha-ha, you fools! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia', but only slightly less well known is this: "Never go in against a Barner when death or a national championship is on the line! Hahahahahah...."
[Tubszinni falls over dead]

Of course, they changed these quotes for the movie...Hollywood, whaddya gonna do? :D

uscrebel

10-27-2005, 08:28 AM

[QUOTE=uscrebel]Screamer...

I will stop trashing TT (I like that...T T....it reminds me of him!) when he does two things. 1. Admits that what he did in leaving Ole Miss was unethical and caused long term recruiting damage to the program.

You say that like it's a bad thing! :D

WDE!
jb

JayBee...

What a curious little man you are. First, you whine and complain that someone has said something about your sister, when no one hear knows anything about your family. Then, you essentially compare her to a Tennessee hound dog for the purpose of further agitation about a members tagline. The reason that you give for your complaint is supposed to raise the level of awareness of the entire membership of this board and have them be more sensitive to others' feelings.

For an encore you choose to make light of an issue that is important to quite a few members of the board. It is also important to note that you are joking about and minimizing an issue of ethical behavior and trusthworthiness.

It is apparent to me that you have graduated with honor from the Tubberville Academy of Class and Dignity. Perhaps you should tell your sister that you used her and her condition as leverage to try to win a football argument on a freakin' internet. I am sure that she will be quite proud to have been a pawn in your journey to cyber-glory. While you are at it, you can tell the rest of your family that after saving her from humiliation, you butted into to somebody else's argument to protect the Auburn head coach from a bad reputation.

No, I do not expect you to recognize that Tubbie's behavior was unethical and damaging. In fact, given where your head seems to be most of the time, all I expect you to recognize is the interior of colon.
:cool: :cool:

Jay Bee

10-27-2005, 08:36 AM

JayBee...

What a curious little man you are. First, you whine and complain that someone has said something about your sister, when no one hear knows anything about your family. Then, you essentially compare her to a Tennessee hound dog for the purpose of further agitation about a members tagline. The reason that you give for your complaint is supposed to raise the level of awareness of the entire membership of this board and have them be more sensitive to others' feelings.

For an encore you choose to make light of an issue that is important to quite a few members of the board. It is also important to note that you are joking about and minimizing an issue of ethical behavior and trusthworthiness.

It is apparent to me that you have graduated with honor from the Tubberville Academy of Class and Dignity. Perhaps you should tell your sister that you used her and her condition as leverage to try to win a football argument on a freakin' internet. I am sure that she will be quite proud to have been a pawn in your journey to cyber-glory. While you are at it, you can tell the rest of your family that after saving her from humiliation, you butted into to somebody else's argument to protect the Auburn head coach from a bad reputation.

No, I do not expect you to recognize that Tubbie's behavior was unethical and damaging. In fact, given where your head seems to be most of the time, all I expect you to recognize is the interior of colon.
:cool: :cool:

My, my. Miss your meds this morning?
You need to lighten up dude.
It's just a freakin' message board.
Also, remember this rule:
Omit needless words. Vigorous writing is concise.

WDE!
jb

Yazzer

10-27-2005, 09:03 AM

I truely admire a coach who emphatically defends his team in times of injustice. I do however question Tubs methodology. Eventually the whinning will have to stop and he will have to cross the bridges that he has burned. Yes, Corso is akin to an idiot who couldn't beat his way out of a wet paper bag when he has coaching. Yes, Lou proved to be a shifty and slimey individual who reminds folks of a stereotypical used car salesman, but Tubs needs to realize that insults to individuals who have the advantage of a national platform only makes him look small. I'm sure his "we are the greatest team in the universe" attitude will only serve as future motivation for fellow SEC coaches to whip his behind. Enjoy the penthouse because the outhouse is always waiting

RW13

10-27-2005, 09:16 AM

Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Lee Corso (a jerk), Lou Holtz, Trev Alberts (when he was there), and mark may along with the whole company are definately guilty. Tubs is right, though I doubt they sit in a back room and conspire to make two teams in the national championship they are definately crooked and bias, they have a homoerotic love fest/lust fest with matt leinhert and reggie bush along with their coach, I swear I'm waiting for the time I turn on the tv and see dan patrick performing fellatio on Leinhart, it wouldn't suprise, and yes that messes with the polls and recruiting, I'm sick of Trojans and ESPN is driving me to support the republicans on the anti-gay marriage ban.....

uscrebel

10-27-2005, 10:32 AM

My, my. Miss your meds this morning?
You need to lighten up dude.
It's just a freakin' message board.
Also, remember this rule:
Omit needless words. Vigorous writing is concise.

WDE!
jb

I need to lighten up?

Dude, I was not the one who started crying about my sister's demyelination being related to a joke posted on the "freakin' message board." Nor was I the one that advocated what appears to be a form of "bulletin board gun control" because of the nature of somebody's tagline.

As far as the omission of needless words, it is of little importance to me. I never had to memorize rules from English Comp 101. With regard to vigorous writing being concise, that is likely a rubric from your TA at Auburn who wished to limit your output lest he or she suffer from diminished intellectual capacity after reading your drivel. Had you been one of my students during my teaching career, I am confident that I would have restricted the number of words you were allowed on any subject as well...although it is likely that the number of words in your vocabulary would have created self-imposed limits.

A word for you on meds. I am quite insulted by that remark. My sister has lupus. She has to take meds every morning and has little time left. So thanks for reminding me.

You are like the biggest Hodaddy I have seen in eons. Munch reef, Barney.

supergenius

10-27-2005, 10:41 AM

I need to lighten up?

Dude, I was not the one who started crying about my sister's demyelination being related to a joke posted on the "freakin' message board." Nor was I the one that advocated what appears to be a form of "bulletin board gun control" because of the nature of somebody's tagline.

As far as the omission of needless words, it is of little importance to me. I never had to memorize rules from English Comp 101. With regard to vigorous writing being concise, that is likely a rubric from your TA at Auburn who wished to limit your output lest he or she suffer from diminished intellectual capacity after reading your drivel. Had you been one of my students during my teaching career, I am confident that I would have restricted the number of words you were allowed on any subject as well...although it is likely that the number of words in you vocabulary would have created self-imposed limits.

A word for you on meds. I am quite insulted by that remark. My sister has lupus. She has to take meds every morning and has little time left. So thanks for reminding me.

You are like the biggest Hodaddy I have seen in eons. Munch reef, Barney.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Rebel! RTR

Jay Bee

10-27-2005, 10:52 AM

I need to lighten up?

Dude, I was not the one who started crying about my sister's demyelination being related to a joke posted on the "freakin' message board." Nor was I the one that advocated what appears to be a form of "bulletin board gun control" because of the nature of somebody's tagline.

As far as the omission of needless words, it is of little importance to me. I never had to memorize rules from English Comp 101. With regard to vigorous writing being concise, that is likely a rubric from your TA at Auburn who wished to limit your output lest he or she suffer from diminished intellectual capacity after reading your drivel. Had you been one of my students during my teaching career, I am confident that I would have restricted the number of words you were allowed on any subject as well...although it is likely that the number of words in your vocabulary would have created self-imposed limits.

A word for you on meds. I am quite insulted by that remark. My sister has lupus. She has to take meds every morning and has little time left. So thanks for reminding me.

You are like the biggest Hodaddy I have seen in eons. Munch reef, Barney.

Sorry you lost your job.
Good luck with your anger issues.

WDE!
jb

uscrebel

10-27-2005, 11:01 AM

Sorry you lost your job.
Good luck with you anger issues.

WDE!
jb

I appreciate the kind wishes, but the hodaddy statement stands.

You are confusing my psychosis with anger.

BAMAMARINE

10-27-2005, 11:04 AM

Super,
I love the way you have displayed your new hated team for us all to see!!!LOL!!!!!! :D

Reb,
I dont think you need to omit any of your words, unlike some people on here, I feel more educated after reading your post!!! :D

Jay Bee

10-27-2005, 01:38 PM

I appreciate the kind wishes, but the hodaddy statement stands.

You are confusing my psychosis with anger.

No problem. Glad you recognize your problem. I've heard that recognition is the first step in recovery.

So I guess you'll be one of the one's yelling that goofy cheer during our alma mater Saturday? Or would you rather ride your 4 wheeler across Tub's yard again this year?

WDE!
jb

Jay Bee

10-27-2005, 01:41 PM

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Rebel! RTR

This from the same guy who criticized me for supposedly making a personal insult.
Typical bammer hypocrite.

WDE!
jb

supergenius

10-27-2005, 01:53 PM

This from the same guy who criticized me for supposedly making a personal insult.
Typical bammer hypocrite.

WDE!
jb
The difference is that Rebel's posts are funny and intelligent while your posts are juvenile and lame. Have a great day! RTR

Jay Bee

10-27-2005, 02:00 PM

The difference is that Rebel's posts are funny and intelligent while your posts are juvenile and lame. Have a great day! RTR

Oh thank you for clearing that up. Yeah, almost as funny a defiling a house of God.

I'll pray for you!

WDE!
jb

ScreamingTiger

10-27-2005, 02:22 PM

The difference is that Rebel's posts are funny and intelligent while your posts are juvenile and lame. Have a great day! RTR
You are the resident expert when it comes to juvenile and lame SG. :o

Rebel tends to clench the sphincter but you have to give him an A for effort.

I agree that the church sign is taking it a bit far. Never underestimate how low the probation-sickened bammer faithful will stoop to proclaim that their lifeless forgotten football program has once again risen from the grave. :rolleyes:

RW13

10-27-2005, 02:32 PM

A serious question rebel, do you suffer at all from psychosis? I find it interesting that many real punk fans also deal with alot of other behavioral or mental differences. I myself have problems in crowds or large groups of ppl (I'm getting better), like my first couple years of college it was next to impossible for me to go to a party, I was almost deathly afraid of them, but I would have about 4-6 beers before I went and I was fine, then I get to the party, drink some more and I turn into the friggin life of the party......anyways....for about almost 3 years now it's not been a problem for whatever reason, maybe growing up, most likely I've lost almost any inhibition or concern for other ppl, that's prob the real reason........(sorry for the long off topic post everyone)

ScreamingTiger

10-27-2005, 03:23 PM

Put on your thinking caps & break out the reading glasses...:D....here it comes...

uscrebel

10-27-2005, 03:35 PM

No problem. Glad you recognize your problem. I've heard that recognition is the first step in recovery.

So I guess you'll be one of the one's yelling that goofy cheer during our alma mater Saturday? Or would you rather ride your 4 wheeler across Tub's yard again this year?

WDE!
jb

Barney,

If I can work it out, I will shout the goofy cheer while I am driving across Tubbie's yard this year. I was hoping that your cousin could ride with us, so when you wake up in the morning, why don't you ask her before you get out of bed.

Jay Bee

10-27-2005, 03:42 PM

Barney,

If I can work it out, I will shout the goofy cheer while I am driving across Tubbie's yard this year. I was hoping that your cousin could ride with us, so when you wake up in the morning, why don't you ask her before you get out of bed.
BiPolar reb -
Dang. You are funny. Of course a lot of you alternative lifestylers are!

WDE!
jb

uscrebel

10-27-2005, 03:52 PM

BiPolar reb -
Dang. You are funny. Of course a lot of you alternative lifestylers are!

WDE!
jb

Oh geeze. I didn't realize that you were...well, you know. Let me repost my last message to you.

"Barney,

If I can work it out, I will shout the goofy cheer while I am driving across Tubbie's yard this year. I was hoping that your cousin could ride with us, so when you wake up in the morning, why don't you ask him before you get out of bed.

There...that's better.

Jay Bee

10-27-2005, 04:11 PM

Oh geeze. I didn't realize that you were...well, you know. Let me repost my last message to you.

"Barney,

If I can work it out, I will shout the goofy cheer while I am driving across Tubbie's yard this year. I was hoping that your cousin could ride with us, so when you wake up in the morning, why don't you ask him before you get out of bed.

There...that's better.
Oh well, you lost your edge. That was lame.
Back to the drooling board for you!

WDE!
jb

ScreamingTiger

10-27-2005, 04:15 PM

No doubt. Did you steal that joke from Super Genius? I expected more from you uscrebel. Not even going to comment on RW13's post then?

AuburnandGamecockGirl

10-27-2005, 07:06 PM

Jay Bee

10-28-2005, 09:00 AM

So, back to the topic at hand here....

I agree with Tuberville. I think he is standing up for the entire SEC. I think he is saying what a lot of us have said for the past few years. I am glad he is getting media recognition for it!

I am also glad to see that the team wasn't berating to John Vaughn after Saturday night's loss. It was a definitely heartbreaking loss, but what a football game! That game was just a clean, good ol' football game...no matter if you were an LSU fan or an Auburn fan or just a football fan!

AMEN.
Glad to see from this post on another board that Coach Spurrier has also spoken out about the ESPN power:

""A lot of coaches have expressed their opinion that the television
announcers (ESPN, etc.) have way too much influence on what's
happening," Spurrier said. "They talk about their influence on the
voters and the BCS. When these announcers come forward and say this is
one of the greatest places in the world to become a college football
player and this is not one of the greatest, it can affect your
recruiting."

Spurrier added that ESPN commentators should stick to analyzing and
predicting the outcome of specific games rather than giving their
opinions on which college football programs are the best. By doing
that, ESPN is, in effect, becoming a booster or acting in a recruiting
capacity for that school, Spurrier said.

"The high school kids are all off on Saturday and they listen to
everything they say. I believe these former coaches and analysts need
to be even keeled in not having favorite teams and teams that don't
have a chance," Spurrier said. "What Coach Tuberville was saying, I
know Bobby Stoops expressed that opinion some time ago. The announcers
need to say, hey, I think this team is going to win because they're a
little better this year. But they don't need to start knocking
programs that don't have a chance and praising those that are already
there and talking about how great it is to go to that school. They
need to get out of the recruiting phase of college football, I believe."

uscrebel

10-28-2005, 10:15 AM

AMEN.
Glad to see from this post on another board that Coach Spurrier has also spoken out about the ESPN power:

""A lot of coaches have expressed their opinion that the television
announcers (ESPN, etc.) have way too much influence on what's
happening," Spurrier said. "They talk about their influence on the
voters and the BCS. When these announcers come forward and say this is
one of the greatest places in the world to become a college football
player and this is not one of the greatest, it can affect your
recruiting."...
They need to get out of the recruiting phase of college football, I believe."

The clear difference between what Spurrier said and what Tubbie said has to do with class and tact. Spurrier took no individual shots at anyone, he did not refer to any of them as losers, nor did he suggest that there was a conspiracy to keep teams out of the national championship.

He spoke clearly and distinctly to a problem of influence, which is a problem that exists throughout the media...not just ESPN. Brando, for instance, is one of the most vocal LSU apologists around. There is nothing wrong with being an LSU homer in a regional market, but he spews his venom from a national pulpit these days. Taking wide-open pot shots at Ole Miss and Arkansas and more indirect shots at Alabama and Mississippi State. Since SEC games are aired on CBS, his garbage ends up having significant influence on the decisions that high school players make.

I think that if you go back through the posts in this thread and look for one that disagreed with Tuberville's thoughts, you will be hard-pressed to find anyone who disagreed with him. Any negatives that were posted had to do with the pouty, whiny, classless way he went about it. Put his statement side by side with Spurrier's and you see the difference between one coach who is still pissed about last year and another who is concerned about the future.

uscrebel

10-28-2005, 12:49 PM

No doubt. Did you steal that joke from Super Genius? I expected more from you uscrebel. Not even going to comment on RW13's post then?

Joke? My understanding of a joke is that it is something said in jest to induce a good-natured laugh or response. My purpose was not to evoke a humorous response, but to reflect reality as I understood it. Perhaps I did steal that glimpse of reality from SuperG as I am sure that we both share a similar view of JayBee. I would imagine that I could also entice SuperG to ride in the four-wheeler while yelling Hoddy Toddy. I will, therefore, give partial credit to him.

As to commenting on RW's post. It has been done, in some detail, in another forum.

BTW...I would love to invite you to our perambulation through Tubbie's front yard, but JayBee has not yet contacted me with regard to his cousin's availability for the field trip...sleeping in, I suppose.
:cool:

Jay Bee

10-28-2005, 01:09 PM

Joke? My understanding of a joke is that it is something said in jest to induce a good-natured laugh or response. My purpose was not to evoke a humorous response, but to reflect reality as I understood it. Perhaps I did steal that glimpse of reality from SuperG as I am sure that we both share a similar view of JayBee. I would imagine that I could also entice SuperG to ride in the four-wheeler while yelling Hoddy Toddy. I will, therefore, give partial credit to him.

As to commenting on RW's post. It has been done, in some detail, in another forum.

BTW...I would love to invite you to our perambulation through Tubbie's front yard, but JayBee has not yet contacted me with regard to his cousin's availability for the field trip...sleeping in, I suppose.
:cool:

When you hitting town? It would be fun to meet you in person. I promise your "view" of me would be forever changed.

WDE!
jb