Mike and Mike in the morning

[Dr. Pepper]

While talking about another team, Bill Curry began talking about how often a team suddenly gets better when the starting QB goes down. He mentioned a number of pro and college situations where that has happened. It's like everyone was depending on the number one guy, but when he was gone, they step it up and do what they need to do. It kind of happened that way Monday night when Clausen came in and sparked the team. Could our O Line possibly step it up a notch or two this weekend? If they do, and we win, will we possibly be seeing Heffner maturing as our number 1 guy for the rest of the year? It would make Neo proud!

[Neo]

It would make Neo proud!


I feel as though that Heffner hasn't really been given a fair shake. Everyone seems to forget that he's a RSFreshman. In due time, I think that Heffner will be a great QB for us.

Remember in the spring game when he tossed the ball for roughly 85 yards and hit his mark? The man has the arm and accuracy, but he's a little behind learning the offense. Do I think there's a possibilty that he could unseat Mitchell? Sure.

I'm pretty sure that if he got as many reps as Mitchell, he would be just as good as Mitchell. The one advantage that Heffner does have is his 4.5 speed. He brings a new threat to the offense. Not only do you have to worry about his arm, you have to worry about him beating you with his legs also.

Everyone seems to forget that he was a highly ranked "PRO-STYLE" QB. Not a dual threat QB. :cool:

Just food for thought.

[uscrebel]

While talking about another team, Bill Curry began talking about how often a team suddenly gets better when the starting QB goes down. He mentioned a number of pro and college situations where that has happened. It's like everyone was depending on the number one guy, but when he was gone, they step it up and do what they need to do. It kind of happened that way Monday night when Clausen came in and sparked the team. Could our O Line possibly step it up a notch or two this weekend? If they do, and we win, will we possibly be seeing Heffner maturing as our number 1 guy for the rest of the year? It would make Neo proud!

Besides the fact that Bill Curry can't grab his ass with both hands, I'm not sure that it is true that this OFTEN happens. It didn't happen with Bama last year. Even lowly Ole Miss couldn't rise to the occasion when Lane tried to sub for Spurlock... (the wounded Spurlock looked better than the healthy Lane.)

The "Clausen-for-Ainge" example is apples and oranges. Although his arm stength is the equivalent of my wife's, he is the better quarterback of the two and has had good amount of game experience.

Don't get your hopes up. If Carolina wins, it will be because Auburn collapses, not be Heffner suddenly figures out that he is a starting signal caller.

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

Why do you hate Mitchell so much NEO?

[Dr. Pepper]

1. Curry did not say every situation produces these results, just often.
2. The point was not about Heffner figuring anything out, but about the O Line getting their act together.
3. I have always liked Curry. Sorry that you have a bad impression of him.
4. If our O-Line does step up, the Heffner could develop into a very good QB for us.

[pc72687]

Shout, if our o-line steps, I could be a good QB for SC. I'd just throw it near Rice every play.

[Neo]

Why do you hate Mitchell so much NEO?



I don't hate Mitchell. At one time, I did though. Back when he was more concerned with parties instead of football. I have nothing against Mitchell now as he has shown me that he's serious about football and everything else has taken a backseat.

I just think that people aren't giving Heffner a fair shake. Heffner has a chance to show everyone what he can do and to "Shock" the world. :cool:

[GTmorris1970]

I feel as though that Heffner hasn't really been given a fair shake. Everyone seems to forget that he's a RSFreshman. In due time, I think that Heffner will be a great QB for us.

Remember in the spring game when he tossed the ball for roughly 85 yards and hit his mark? The man has the arm and accuracy, but he's a little behind learning the offense. Do I think there's a possibilty that he could unseat Mitchell? Sure.

I'm pretty sure that if he got as many reps as Mitchell, he would be just as good as Mitchell. The one advantage that Heffner does have is his 4.5 speed. He brings a new threat to the offense. Not only do you have to worry about his arm, you have to worry about him beating you with his legs also.

Everyone seems to forget that he was a highly ranked "PRO-STYLE" QB. Not a dual threat QB. :cool:

Just food for thought.

I agree Heffner hasn't really been given a fair shake. Spurrier has somewhat in his own way said that himself. He has been put in only to run so far. He did toss a few this past week, but the more reps. he gets, the more comfortable he should feel. I have also felt he tries to make too much happen because he knows his snaps are limited. Maybe he can settle in Saturday and have a good game. Everyone knows I liked him a lot in the spring. I know he has the talent to get the job done. :cool:

[cocky4ever]

I don't hate Mitchell. At one time, I did though. Back when he was more concerned with parties instead of football. I have nothing against Mitchell now as he has shown me that he's serious about football and everything else has taken a backseat.

I just think that people aren't giving Heffner a fair shake. Heffner has a chance to show everyone what he can do and to "Shock" the world. :cool:
Sounds like you and me are on the exact same page as far as Mitchell and Heffner are concerned. I think Heffner has the potential to be a great QB, just like Mitchell did (does). The difference is that Mitchell has had more practice at this point. I wouldnt be too surprised to see Heffner have a good game this Sat.

[Beebop]

I think with Heffner in at QB it will actually take some of the pressure off of the O-Line, from the simple standpoint that now w/ Hef back there the opponents defensive schemes have to be adjusted. They can't just shoot there DE's in or their LB's. They now have to worry more about containment on the QB. If he can complete 60% of his passes and break just one or two 10+ yard runs, then they have to sit back on be reactive vs. being proactive like they can with Mitchell back there. I'm not saying that Hef comes in and we win every game, but I do think if nothing else it slows down the opposing teams defense to a certain extent.

[RW13]

Besides the fact that Bill Curry can't grab his ass with both hands, I'm not sure that it is true that this OFTEN happens. It didn't happen with Bama last year. Even lowly Ole Miss couldn't rise to the occasion when Lane tried to sub for Spurlock... (the wounded Spurlock looked better than the healthy Lane.)

The "Clausen-for-Ainge" example is apples and oranges. Although his arm stength is the equivalent of my wife's, he is the better quarterback of the two and has had good amount of game experience.

Don't get your hopes up. If Carolina wins, it will be because Auburn collapses, not be Heffner suddenly figures out that he is a starting signal caller.

Bill Curry is an idiot and has a personal vendetta against SC. Just watch any ESPN game that carries a SC game with Curry announcing, you'll figure out he has a bias real quick....

[GTmorris1970]

I think with Heffner in at QB it will actually take some of the pressure off of the O-Line, from the simple standpoint that now w/ Hef back there the opponents defensive schemes have to be adjusted. They can't just shoot there DE's in or their LB's. They now have to worry more about containment on the QB. If he can complete 60% of his passes and break just one or two 10+ yard runs, then they have to sit back on be reactive vs. being proactive like they can with Mitchell back there. I'm not saying that Hef comes in and we win every game, but I do think if nothing else it slows down the opposing teams defense to a certain extent.

It will certainly add another dimension to our offense. I hope to see more simple blocking schemes like Spurrier has mentioned. Just line up and hit somebody. Unfortunately that looks to me where our team is right now. We can ill afford to lose another QB. :cool:

[rabidcock]

"Another dimension"......that is an interesting way to put it. If he can get enough reps, perhaps he will become less hesitant in the passing game. When he has the time and the inclination, he heaves a pretty good ball.

[uscrebel]

1. Curry did not say every situation produces these results, just often.
2. The point was not about Heffner figuring anything out, but about the O Line getting their act together.
3. I have always liked Curry. Sorry that you have a bad impression of him.
4. If our O-Line does step up, the Heffner could develop into a very good QB for us.

1. I understand that Curry did not say that every situation produces these, read my post....I said that it does not, in fact, happen OFTEN.
Besides the fact that Bill Curry can't grab his ass with both hands, I'm not sure that it is true that this OFTEN happens.
When it does happen it is big news simply because it is RARE...AS IN NOT OFTEN.

2. As to the O-Line getting their act together, to date they have provided the following protection.

414 yards gained rushing....balanced by 152 yards lost through tackles for loss.

Your defense has recorded 13 sacks for a total of 68 yards. Thanks to the efforts of your O-Line, your opponents have also managed 13 sacks, but they total 120 yards. That's a tad bit deeper penetration...Take the metaphor anyway you wish.

Your quarterback gets plenty of time to throw because that seems to be the only blocking scheme they know. Because you can block for your runners, you currently average 30% on 3rd down trys and 33% on 4th down trys while your opponents are 45% and 50% respectively. More importantly, you are remarkably consistent in this area, essentially acheiving the same results against all four teams you have played.

3. Your fondness for Bill Curry does not make him a wise man. He is, in fact, typical of tons of talking heads who prattle endlessly in the booth. He may know the game, but he sure can't communicate that. You could tie him and Bob Davie together and toss them over a powerline for all I care. They both seem like nice guys, but I haven't heard much in the way of intelligent commentary from either of them.

4. Back to the O-line again. If Ole Miss's O-line steps up, we'll run the table and be 9-2. If UCF's and Troy's O-Lines had stepped up, you would be 0-4, not 2-2. If your tia had cajones, she would be your tio.

I stand by my earlier post. If South Carolina wins, and stranger things have happened, it will not be because they were inspired to become a great team...it will be because Auburn overlooks them.

That doesn't make you a bad person. Life is just that way sometimes.

[GTmorris1970]

"Another dimension"......that is an interesting way to put it. If he can get enough reps, perhaps he will become less hesitant in the passing game. When he has the time and the inclination, he heaves a pretty good ball.

He has the strongest arm and IMO the prettiest pass of any of our QB's. He tends to overthrow a lot. Hopefully like I mentioned before he can get comfortable, knowing he is the QB all day, and just play his game. He can be a good one. :cool:

[rabidcock]

He can be a good one. :cool:

I think you are right--I just hope he matures quickly under fire.

[cocky4ever]

He has the strongest arm and IMO the prettiest pass of any of our QB's. He tends to overthrow a lot. Hopefully like I mentioned before he can get comfortable, knowing he is the QB all day, and just play his game. He can be a good one. :cool:
Yeah, I have seen times when he gets out of sync and overthrows a lot of balls. That could probably be corrected if he had more time to practice on the timing of routes. He is also a freshman so he probably has more adrenaline in his body when he gets a chance to get on the field than a lot of other QB's. I think having Heffner in there will help our running game but may hurt our passing game because Auburns defenders are gonna sit back and dare him to throw a lot. If he goes into the game and shows that he is a passing threat then we can win, if he doesnt we probably wont. I expect Rice to have a big game. He is good at catching balls even when they arent the best thrown passes. One of my first predictions in the Nostradamus thread was that SC would beat Auburn by a field goal, which will be kicked by Succoup who was heavily recruited by Auburn. Cant wait to see how it turns out :D

[Dr. Pepper]

1. I understand that Curry did not say that every situation produces these, read my post....I said that it does not, in fact, happen OFTEN.

When it does happen it is big news simply because it is RARE...AS IN NOT OFTEN.

2. As to the O-Line getting their act together, to date they have provided the following protection.

414 yards gained rushing....balanced by 152 yards lost through tackles for loss.

Your defense has recorded 13 sacks for a total of 68 yards. Thanks to the efforts of your O-Line, your opponents have also managed 13 sacks, but they total 120 yards. That's a tad bit deeper penetration...Take the metaphor anyway you wish.

Your quarterback gets plenty of time to throw because that seems to be the only blocking scheme they know. Because you can block for your runners, you currently average 30% on 3rd down trys and 33% on 4th down trys while your opponents are 45% and 50% respectively. More importantly, you are remarkably consistent in this area, essentially acheiving the same results against all four teams you have played.

3. Your fondness for Bill Curry does not make him a wise man. He is, in fact, typical of tons of talking heads who prattle endlessly in the booth. He may know the game, but he sure can't communicate that. You could tie him and Bob Davie together and toss them over a powerline for all I care. They both seem like nice guys, but I haven't heard much in the way of intelligent commentary from either of them.

4. Back to the O-line again. If Ole Miss's O-line steps up, we'll run the table and be 9-2. If UCF's and Troy's O-Lines had stepped up, you would be 0-4, not 2-2. If your tia had cajones, she would be your tio.

I stand by my earlier post. If South Carolina wins, and stranger things have happened, it will not be because they were inspired to become a great team...it will be because Auburn overlooks them.

That doesn't make you a bad person. Life is just that way sometimes.

Man, what crawled up your rear end?!?

First of all, I have not said that we will win. While I am always hopeful, I am not always expectant.

Second, what did Curry ever do to you? I am not refering to him as one of the talking heads. In fact, I rarely listen to anything that anybody has to say on any of the networks. They are all pretty boring to me. I just watch the games. The players and coaches (and perhaps way too often, the officials) do the talking on the field. What is said on the pre and post game shows is just a bunch of fluff to fill the time between the commercials.

Bill Curry is a good man and a good coach. I appreciate men of integrity and I believe that he is one.

Third, why is your name USCREBEL. I thought the west coast guys prefer to be referred to as SC. It might be helpful if you would become SCREBEL.

Fourth, while you are correct that if anybody's O-Line steps up, then they might win a few more games, the topic is about there being a concerted effort on everyone's part to step it up a notch in order to fill the hole left by the leader or star. If ten guys commit to filling the gap, then they will become a better team and will do better without the star than with him. If they decide that they are beat, then they will not step it up and they will be worse. The question is, what will the guys from USC do this weekend? Step it up or roll over?

[USC66]

I feel as though that Heffner hasn't really been given a fair shake. Everyone seems to forget that he's a RSFreshman. In due time, I think that Heffner will be a great QB for us.

Remember in the spring game when he tossed the ball for roughly 85 yards and hit his mark? The man has the arm and accuracy, but he's a little behind learning the offense. Do I think there's a possibilty that he could unseat Mitchell? Sure.

I'm pretty sure that if he got as many reps as Mitchell, he would be just as good as Mitchell. The one advantage that Heffner does have is his 4.5 speed. He brings a new threat to the offense. Not only do you have to worry about his arm, you have to worry about him beating you with his legs also.

Everyone seems to forget that he was a highly ranked "PRO-STYLE" QB. Not a dual threat QB. :cool:

Just food for thought.

I have to agree with you NEO. I always wanted to see him get his shot and now he gets it. Through the spring and summer watching him and Blake in practice, I always like Hefner a little better although he was slower at getting this offense down. Mitchell got the start and up until the scrimmage which was the last time I seen the Gamecocks before SOS closed practices, I still liked Hefner better. Wasn't Hefner rated #15 by Rival coming out of HS or something like that?
I am still concerned that we can't run the ball. Let's hope AH doesn't drop back and run every play and bing back memories of another style of offense that we all have grown to hate so much. :) I don't think SOS will allow that to happen. I hope not.

[Neo]

I have to agree with you NEO. I always wanted to see him get his shot and now he gets it. Thorugh the spring and summer watching him and Blake in practice, I always like Hefner a little better although he was slower at getting this offense down. Mitchell got the start and up until the scrimmage which was the last time I seen the Gamecocks before SOS closed practices, I still liked Hefner better. Wasn't Hefner rated #15 by Rival coming out of HS or something like that?
I am still concerned that we can't run the ball. Let's hope AH doesn't drop back and run every play and bing back memories of another style of offense that we all have grown to hate so much. :) I don't think SOS will allow that to happen. I hope not.


When I say another dimension, can you imagine Heffner running a bootleg? Talk about dangerous. Not only does he have the arm strength, but he has the 4.5 breakaway speed along with the "knack" of making people miss. :cool:

As for Heffner, he was ranked the 15th best QB in the nation. (Pro-Style/Rivals.com)

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=19062

[USC66]

When I say another dimension, can you imagine Heffner running a bootleg? Talk about dangerous. Not only does he have the arm strength, but he has the 4.5 breakaway speed along with the "knack" of making people miss. :cool:

As for Heffner, he was ranked the 15th best QB in the nation. (Pro-Style/Rivals.com)

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=19062

I thought he was ranked pretty high.
Yes, that might just work if the ends can contain their man. I'll be watching with an optimistic mind frame. We still have to stop the run too.

[uscrebel]

Man, what crawled up your rear end?!?

That would be you....I was content with my initial response. Your four-point rebuttal seemed to indicate that you wished a detailed reply.

First of all, I have not said that we will win. While I am always hopeful, I am not always expectant.

I never accused you of wanting to win. I did suggest on my own that Carolina's winning was more contingent on Auburn's performance than their own. As an Ole Miss fan, I continue to be both hopeful and expectant, but like many a Gamecock fan, I am resigned to being let more often than not. Quite a disagreeable state, but it's my university and I take whatever I can get.

Second, what did Curry ever do to you? I am not refering to him as one of the talking heads. In fact, I rarely listen to anything that anybody has to say on any of the networks. They are all pretty boring to me. I just watch the games. The players and coaches (and perhaps way too often, the officials) do the talking on the field. What is said on the pre and post game shows is just a bunch of fluff to fill the time between the commercials.

Okay, help me out here. I did not quote Curry...you did. Since you indicate that you rarely listen to these guys, I would suggest that you be more discriminating about what you repeat from they RARE times that you do listen. That would be rare...as in not often.

Bill Curry is a good man and a good coach. I appreciate men of integrity and I believe that he is one.

Once again...read my post. I clearly indicated that Curry seemed to be a nice guy. I actually do not KNOW if he is a good man, but I will not dispute the point. As to good coach, he is 85-103-4. He posted 6 winning seasons during his 17 year career. That in my mind makes him a mediocre coach. My point was he is about as articulate as mud. While he may be very knowledgable about the game...he can't communicate it. GO BACK AND READ MY POST. I never said he was a bad guy. I never even said he was a bad coach. I said he couldn't communicate.

Third, why is your name USCREBEL. I thought the west coast guys prefer to be referred to as SC. It might be helpful if you would become SCREBEL.

Prior to this evening, the reason my name was USCREBEL was because it was what popped into my head when I was signing up. However, because it bothers you so much, I now have a second reason.

Oh, I wouldn't be SCREBEL because it would sound like scrabble and I never do very well at scrabble.

Fourth, while you are correct that if anybody's O-Line steps up, then they might win a few more games, the topic is about there being a concerted effort on everyone's part to step it up a notch in order to fill the hole left by the leader or star. If ten guys commit to filling the gap, then they will become a better team and will do better without the star than with him. If they decide that they are beat, then they will not step it up and they will be worse. The question is, what will the guys from USC do this weekend? Step it up or roll over?

Here I think that you are wrong. They might roll over. They might step it up. They might simply play the way that they have been playing. They may play very erratically and do a little of both. My money is on door number three. That means that it will be very difficult for Carolina to win.

[Dr. Pepper]

SCRIBBLE SCRABBLE may be more like it. You obviously enjoy yourself to much to have a serious discussion. My four points were not meant as a rebuttal, but they were meant to shut you up. There, my friend, is where I was wrong.

[uscrebel]

SCRIBBLE SCRABBLE may be more like it. You obviously enjoy yourself to much to have a serious discussion. My four points were not meant as a rebuttal, but they were meant to shut you up. There, my friend, is where I was wrong.

Yep...my wife has been trying unsuccessfully for twenty years. I will, however, call a truce so that I can, in good conscience pull for Carolina this weekend. (Truth is that I planned to do it anyway.)

And yes...I adore hearing myself talk, or seeing myself talk...whatever.

[Dr. Pepper]

I will accept your call for a truce. My wife is calling me to bed.

[uscrebel]

I will accept your call for a truce. My wife is calling me to bed.


Cool. Let's hope for the best on Saturday.

[pc72687]

4. Back to the O-line again. If Ole Miss's O-line steps up, we'll run the table and be 9-2. If UCF's and Troy's O-Lines had stepped up, you would be 0-4, not 2-2. If your tia had cajones, she would be your tio.

I stand by my earlier post. If South Carolina wins, and stranger things have happened, it will not be because they were inspired to become a great team...it will be because Auburn overlooks them.


Yeah, if a car hits me today I will be dead too.

So did Ole Miss just overlook Memphis and Vandy, they are just waiting for the big boys before they show out?

[uscrebel]

Yeah, if a car hits me today I will be dead too.

So did Ole Miss just overlook Memphis and Vandy, they are just waiting for the big boys before they show out?

Ole Miss beat Memphis...they overlooked Vandy and Wyoming.
:cool: