Orgeron Stinks

[spiro]

Orgeron is not a coach. He is a cheerleader. I'll bet if David Cutcliffe and his staff were still in Oxford the Rebels would be 3-0 right now. Orgeron stinks, he needs to go now! He is a position coach and will fail as a head coach. The Citadel is the only game the Rebels will win the rest of this season. Mr. Boone and Mr. Khayat let a good man go, they need to go too. What a joke these three men are, Orgeron, Boone, and Khayat. All three of them. The Three Stooges. The O'Zone, what a laugh !

[Neo]

Orgeron is not a coach. He is a cheerleader. I'll bet if David Cutcliffe and his staff were still in Oxford the Rebels would be 3-0 right now. Orgeron stinks, he needs to go now! He is a position coach and will fail as a head coach. The Citadel is the only game the Rebels will win the rest of this season. Mr. Boone and Mr. Khayat let a good man go, they need to go too. What a joke these three men are, Orgeron, Boone, and Khayat. All three of them. The Three Stooges. The O'Zone, what a laugh !



Ya know Spiro, I really like you. :) I've been saying this for months about Orgeron and no one apparently agrees with me except for you. I've said from day 1 that OM settled for Orgeron and that hiring him was a mistake.

I have always been a Cutcliffe supporter while he was at OM and I will always think he got a screw-job.

"Cutcliffe'd"???

In Honor Of You....."Cutcliffe'd"

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ole/sports/m-footbl/99-00roster/s-cutcliff9900.jpg

Name: David Nelson Cutcliffe
Born: September 16, 1954 in Birmingham, Ala.
Wife: The former Karen Oran of Harriman, Tenn.
Married: June 23, 1984
Children: Chris (2/6/87), Katie (4/12/89), Emily (8/8/2000)
Hobbies: Family & Fishing

Position: Head Coach; 1998-2004
Record At Ole Miss: 44-29-0
Career Record: 44-29-0


BTW: I wouldn't count the Citadel as a win just yet. The Citadel gave Florida State a fit this year remember???? :cool:

[JerryBeeds]

Orgeron is not a coach. He is a cheerleader. I'll bet if David Cutcliffe and his staff were still in Oxford the Rebels would be 3-0 right now. Orgeron stinks, he needs to go now! He is a position coach and will fail as a head coach. The Citadel is the only game the Rebels will win the rest of this season. Mr. Boone and Mr. Khayat let a good man go, they need to go too. What a joke these three men are, Orgeron, Boone, and Khayat. All three of them. The Three Stooges. The O'Zone, what a laugh !

Give him time. Like USC, the cupboard was rather bare when Coach O arrived. Give him 3-4 years to bring in his players and then judge him. I don't think anyone could win with some of the player's that Spurrier inherited and I believe the same applies to Coach O's inherited talent...
;)

[Neo]

Give him time. Like USC, the cupboard was rather bare when Coach O arrived. Give him 3-4 years to bring in his players and then judge him. I don't think anyone could win with some of the player's that Spurrier inherited and I believe the same applies to Coach O's inherited talent...
;)


Believe it or not, the cupboard isn't really that bare. In Cutcliffe's last season, he played quite a few freshmen to get them that valuable gametime experience. That shows he was planning for the future.

I know you can't base everything on Rivals' Recruiting Rankings, but according to them, OM is not that thin in the talent dept. :cool:

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

WOW that didnt take long!!!!!!

[GeauxTo]

Orgeron is not a coach. He is a cheerleader. I'll bet if David Cutcliffe and his staff were still in Oxford the Rebels would be 3-0 right now. Orgeron stinks, he needs to go now! He is a position coach and will fail as a head coach. The Citadel is the only game the Rebels will win the rest of this season. Mr. Boone and Mr. Khayat let a good man go, they need to go too. What a joke these three men are, Orgeron, Boone, and Khayat. All three of them. The Three Stooges. The O'Zone, what a laugh !
I have to confess that I originally thought that Orgeron would do a good job. Now, though, I have my doubts. Your phrase, "He is a cheerleader," seems to be right on the money. I don't think he knows his Xs and Os very well, and a strategic, dynamic game plan seems beyond his ability. Like I said in an earlier post, let the carryyourcajunassbacktousc.com sites begin!

[OrangeCrush]

I was going to save this for next week(UT/Ole Miss), but in honor of losing back to back games to Vandy and Wyoming, I can not resist.

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[nooneLT]

I was going to save this for next week(UT/Ole Miss), but in honor of losing back to back games to Vandy and Wyoming, I can not resist.

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omg...that's just too funny.

[GeauxTo]

I was going to save this for next week
Friggin hilarious!!!
:D

[Cianne]

Orgeron is not a coach. He is a cheerleader. I'll bet if David Cutcliffe and his staff were still in Oxford the Rebels would be 3-0 right now. Orgeron stinks, he needs to go now! He is a position coach and will fail as a head coach. The Citadel is the only game the Rebels will win the rest of this season. Mr. Boone and Mr. Khayat let a good man go, they need to go too. What a joke these three men are, Orgeron, Boone, and Khayat. All three of them. The Three Stooges. The O'Zone, what a laugh !

Cutcliffe leads the team to 0-3 starting Robert Lane. That's obvious. You haven't even given a reason as to why Orgeron sucks and are just giving Neo time to flash around his retarded Cutcliffe picture.

I have always been a Cutcliffe supporter while he was at OM and I will always think he got a screw-job.

You make this moot point so often it gets old. He would have quit on Ole Miss in March just like he did to Notre Dame and wouldn't have gotten his $5 million severence package. This would have left Ole Miss with John Latina as the head coach and that tub of lard can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. And yes, he's actually worse than Mazzone.

Believe it or not, the cupboard isn't really that bare. In Cutcliffe's last season, he played quite a few freshmen to get them that valuable gametime experience. That shows he was planning for the future.

Contrary to your own beliefs, the cupboard is bare. Let's take a quick breakdown shall we?

LBs - One senior in Kelvin Robinson, one junior in Patrick Willis, and the other LB that has any experience is the sophomore Garry Pack. After that, we have all freshman in Robert Russell, Quentin Taylor, Dontae Reed. That's a pretty empty cupboard. Oh and before you bring it up Neo, yes, we did have one other linebacker in Marquis McBeath that was a 4-star recruit that Cutcliffe got but he threw a hissy fit when Robert Russell beat him out for the job behind Willis and left for community college.

DLs - Let's see...Jayme Mitchell (senior), McKinley Boykin (senior), Corvelli Haynes (senior) and Michael Bozeman (senior). These are the only people with playing experience. Why you might ask? Because Cutcliffe refused to play underclassmen. That's why people such as Chris Bowers and Jeremy Garrett have such little experience and are being thrown into the fire.

DBs - Oh wow we do have a lot of these because of all the lackluster recruiting Cutcliffe put together or rather he didn't put together, he loaded up on these guys. Why? To fulfill that god awful Driesbach 4-2-5 that didn't work.

WRs - Let's see. You got all seniors here in Mike Espy, Taye Biddle, Mario Hill, and Larry Kendrick. Good thing Orgeron went after some WRs in this recruiting class because we have none when they graduate. Milton Collins and Burnell Wallace are really it.

OLs - Weak but due to NFL talent that all graduated. Again, it's a good thing that Orgeron went after Oher and is recruiting hard this season because there's not much to it.

TEs - Fairly young here but underused anyway.

RBs - Let's see. Cutcliffe left Orgeron with a dumbass in Pearson who failed out of school, a criminal with bad knees in Jamal Pittman who is just plain slow and can't move a pile, and Alan Abrams who has the vision of someone playing at the blind school. Good thing Orgeron moved Mico McSwain over to RB because he's the best one on the team. Just has to actually play him more now.

QBs - Lane...wow...he needs to go talk to Bianco because he can't play football. LSU can have him back. Flatt and Spurlock are all that are left and while I like Spurlock and think he can win games, he's not the best thing since sliced bread. Since Cutcliffe doesn't know the difference between recruiting someone that's not a Manning and a hole in the ground, that's pretty bare to me.

All in all, yes the cupboard is bare. No Orgeron has not fully adapted to the nuances of a full time head coach. Yes Mazzone should most likely be fired. And yes Robert Lane needs to bag groceries.

[rebeldude]

Orgeron is not a coach. He is a cheerleader. I'll bet if David Cutcliffe and his staff were still in Oxford the Rebels would be 3-0 right now. Orgeron stinks, he needs to go now! He is a position coach and will fail as a head coach. The Citadel is the only game the Rebels will win the rest of this season. Mr. Boone and Mr. Khayat let a good man go, they need to go too. What a joke these three men are, Orgeron, Boone, and Khayat. All three of them. The Three Stooges. The O'Zone, what a laugh !


Lets put the blame where it belongs, these players are Cuts not O's. The one that need to go is Mazzone.

[rabidcock]

I really hope you guys can get this mess straightened out somehow.

[uscrebel]

I really hope you guys can get this mess straightened out somehow.

I always find this kind of stuff intereresting. Many of you guys were forecasting doom and gloom before the season started by saying that there was no talent at Ole Miss. Now it is doom and gloom because Orgeron can't coach. Make up your mind.

Before you even go there, I realize that it could be both, but I am willing to wait before I pull the trigger on Coach O. The offense effectively had four starters returning and the defense maybe five...depending on what you mean by "starters."

The to most obvious problems with this team are the quarterback and the offensive playcalling. Spurlock is a great kid, but not even an average SEC quarterback. Robert Lane has to have help putting on his uniform because he doesn't know what which hole to put his head through. The biggest groan of all last year was when it was announced that Noel Mazzone would be the offensive mastermind. I was afraid we would be in for Mazzone 2.0, but what we got was Mazzone 1.2.2.

I think that we can get together at the end of the 2006 season and begin to evaluate whether or not Orgeron can coach, but until then I will see what reorganization brings.

BTW...most of us Rebels try to run Spiro off last Spring. I think that he is actually Cutcliffe with a munged IP address.

[OmahaBound]

Cutcliffe leads the team to 0-3 starting Robert Lane. That's obvious. You haven't even given a reason as to why Orgeron sucks and are just giving Neo time to flash around his retarded Cutcliffe picture.



You make this moot point so often it gets old. He would have quit on Ole Miss in March just like he did to Notre Dame and wouldn't have gotten his $5 million severence package. This would have left Ole Miss with John Latina as the head coach and that tub of lard can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. And yes, he's actually worse than Mazzone....

Wow, anyone have ANYTHING nice to say about Cutcliffe? That diatribe made me sad and I don't even really care about Cutcliffe and Ole Miss football, hehe. Someone get Cutcliffe off the ledge!

[spiro]

Cianne, I believe Cutcliffe went 0-3 with Spurlock. Cutlcliffe can coach circles around Orgeron. Orgeron sucks, and that's that. I can't believe anyone could even gauge his coaching ability because he was an assistant at USC. Caroll and Chow were the real coaches on that team. Orgeron was the cheerleader on the sideline during games and practice. Nothing more. Orgeron didn't recruit anyone in his first year at Ole Miss. He admitted that he needed to do a better job at recruiting next year. He won't. Because he is a cheerleader not a coach. He spends too much time being a spectator on the sidelines. He is no different than a fan in the stands. As a matter of fact, there should be a contest to pick a coach of the week from one of the Ole Miss ticket holders at the game. It would be much cheaper for the university to do this, and the university would get the same results. But then again, the university might find a real coach in the process.

[JerryBeeds]

Cianne, I believe Cutcliffe went 0-3 with Spurlock. Cutlcliffe can coach circles around Orgeron. Orgeron sucks, and that's that. I can't believe anyone could even gauge his coaching ability because he was an assistant at USC. Caroll and Chow were the real coaches on that team. Orgeron was the cheerleader on the sideline during games and practice. Nothing more. Orgeron didn't recruit anyone in his first year at Ole Miss. He admitted that he needed to do a better job at recruiting next year. He won't. Because he is a cheerleader not a coach. He spends too much time being a spectator on the sidelines. He is no different than a fan in the stands. As a matter of fact, there should be a contest to pick a coach of the week from one of the Ole Miss ticket holders at the game. It would be much cheaper for the university to do this, and the university would get the same results. But then again, the university might find a real coach in the process.

Let USCrebel do it! He could get the most out of these kids! :p

[GeauxTo]

As a matter of fact, there should be a contest to pick a coach of the week from one of the Ole Miss ticket holders at the game. It would be much cheaper for the university to do this, and the university would get the same results.
Hilarious! Very funny.
:D

[Rebeldrummer]

Believe it or not, the cupboard isn't really that bare. In Cutcliffe's last season, he played quite a few freshmen to get them that valuable gametime experience. That shows he was planning for the future.

I know you can't base everything on Rivals' Recruiting Rankings, but according to them, OM is not that thin in the talent dept. :cool:

thats amazing as he had been redshirting like a champ to build a program ..

and then ofcourse he brings in 11 player followed by fifteen .. get off cutt's jock .

this is his mess our numbers are thin and it is cutts fault .

Mico Mcswain was a freshman that did't play for cutt ... 7 carries 114 yards .. cut put him at WR , then DB ..

Patrick Willis played behind a senior I could out run last year .. as did gary pack .

[Rebeldrummer]

Believe it or not, the cupboard isn't really that bare. In Cutcliffe's last season, he played quite a few freshmen to get them that valuable gametime experience. That shows he was planning for the future.

I know you can't base everything on Rivals' Recruiting Rankings, but according to them, OM is not that thin in the talent dept. :cool:

Wow what a flip flop from you telling me how bad our talent was !! , and how we weren't really that good . this is an unhealthy obscession for you Neo

[Rebeldrummer]

First off I am almost assuredly he only one here who saw the game ... So let me tell you what I saw .

the staff coached the entire time . unlike previous versions ..

the defense played well considering that they spent the entire second half on the wrong side of the field .

the whole game was destroyed by O-line Period . we need a new one .

tehy got the holding calls the clipping calls etc. caseu they were gettin beat . Not Coach o or Mazzone . we all knew ahead of time we need o-line help it didn't materialize . then wehn they figured out we couldn't throw deep with confidence they put 9 men in the box and even 10 on a couple of occasions ..

That didn't matter becaseu we would hold 2 consecutive plays and then on 3 and 25 all we could do was complete a three yard out to the TE ... and then punt .

the Defense did it's job the special teams ( minus muffed punt ) put us in postition all night. Mico Mcswain is our player , and turner showed flashes other than that it all goes to the O line

[Rebeldrummer]

I always find this kind of stuff intereresting. Many of you guys were forecasting doom and gloom before the season started by saying that there was no talent at Ole Miss. Now it is doom and gloom because Orgeron can't coach. Make up your mind.

Before you even go there, I realize that it could be both, but I am willing to wait before I pull the trigger on Coach O. The offense effectively had four starters returning and the defense maybe five...depending on what you mean by "starters."

The to most obvious problems with this team are the quarterback and the offensive playcalling. Spurlock is a great kid, but not even an average SEC quarterback. Robert Lane has to have help putting on his uniform because he doesn't know what which hole to put his head through. The biggest groan of all last year was when it was announced that Noel Mazzone would be the offensive mastermind. I was afraid we would be in for Mazzone 2.0, but what we got was Mazzone 1.2.2.

I think that we can get together at the end of the 2006 season and begin to evaluate whether or not Orgeron can coach, but until then I will see what reorganization brings.

BTW...most of us Rebels try to run Spiro off last Spring. I think that he is actually Cutcliffe with a munged IP address.


Play calling isn't the problem yet beilive it or not ..

Its the blocking they can't block me right now ..
I could be the lone rusher and get through this line ..

[JerryBeeds]

Does anyone here speak RebelDrummer? :p :D

[Rebeldrummer]

Does anyone here speak RebelDrummer? :p :D

It actualy got termed Chilexia ! frOm my own board . I prefer that term

[uscrebel]

Does anyone here speak RebelDrummer? :p :D

Yeah, my three year-old schnauzer. :D

[Rebeldrummer]

Yeah, my three year-old schnauzer. :D

Seriously .. I hate you
etu USC

[uscrebel]

Seriously .. I hate you
etu USC

No you don't...you frickin' love me and can't do without my smiley faces. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[Rebeldrummer]

No you don't...you frickin' love me and can't do without my smiley faces.

Okay it's true I love the smilies but you make me hurl :D

[GatorNation]

Give him time. Like USC, the cupboard was rather bare when Coach O arrived. Give him 3-4 years to bring in his players and then judge him. I don't think anyone could win with some of the player's that Spurrier inherited and I believe the same applies to Coach O's inherited talent...
;)

Beeds, just curious.....do you think Nebrasska should give Callahan 3 more years?

Another prime example of a great coordinator who stinks as a HC.

[JerryBeeds]

Beeds, just curious.....do you think Nebrasska should give Callahan 3 more years?

Another prime example of a great coordinator who stinks as a HC.

Well, Coach O has only coached in 3 GAMES!!!!!!!!!!. Frank Beamer didn't win more than 5 games in his first four seasons. Should he have been fired? Let the guy bring in some of his players. Nebraska had a top 5 recruiting class this past year, so yes I'd give Callahan 3 more years to work with guys he recruited into his system.

[RW13]

Well, Coach O has only coached in 3 GAMES!!!!!!!!!!. Frank Beamer didn't win more than 5 games in his first four seasons. Should he have been fired? Let the guy bring in some of his players. Nebraska had a top 5 recruiting class this past year, so yes I'd give Callahan 3 more years to work with guys he recruited into his system.

I would too, they are no longer a powerhouse, might as well let some of the classes get older and let his system take over....

[GatorNation]

Well, Coach O has only coached in 3 GAMES!!!!!!!!!!. Frank Beamer didn't win more than 5 games in his first four seasons. Should he have been fired? Let the guy bring in some of his players. Nebraska had a top 5 recruiting class this past year, so yes I'd give Callahan 3 more years to work with guys he recruited into his system.

HAHA.....i was kidding with respect to coach O, but I do think Callahan was a bad, bad hire....

....and if they don't get to a bowl game this year, he'll have nowhere to hide.

[Neo]

get off cutt's jock


Why don't you get off of Orgeron's first. :cool: I can tell you're still sore about that Wyoming game. :cool:


I seem to remember quite a few people predicting big things for Orgeron and company this season. Quite frankly, I'm not impressed. Even after three (3) games, you would expect to see some kind of improvement. The true sign of a real football coach is that he can take substandard/standard players and make them better, not worse.

You can keep on and on about this and that. The fact is Cutcliffe is the second or third winningiest coach in Ole Miss history and the way you talk about him shows your gratitude for what he did for Ole Miss. :cool:

[Neo]

I do think Callahan was a bad, bad hire....


Amen...... :cool:

[Rebeldrummer]

Why don't you get off of Orgeron's first. :cool: I can tell you're still sore about that Wyoming game. :cool:


I seem to remember quite a few people predicting big things for Orgeron and company this season. Quite frankly, I'm not impressed. Even after three (3) games, you would expect to see some kind of improvement. The true sign of a real football coach is that he can take substandard/standard players and make them better, not worse.

You can keep on and on about this and that. The fact is Cutcliffe is the second or third winningiest coach in Ole Miss history and the way you talk about him shows your gratitude for what he did for Ole Miss. :cool:

SO is Spurlock beter or worse ..

Cutt had 4 nfl O linemen to work with and he only managed 4 wins . and that with south carolina on the shcedule

[Neo]

Wow what a flip flop from you telling me how bad our talent was !! , and how we weren't really that good . this is an unhealthy obscession for you Neo



You really need to get those eyes checked....Read my post once more... :D


Believe it or not, the cupboard isn't really that bare. In Cutcliffe's last season, he played quite a few freshmen to get them that valuable gametime experience. That shows he was planning for the future.

I know you can't base everything on Rivals' Recruiting Rankings, but according to them, OM is not that thin in the talent dept. :cool:


Nowhere in that post does it say that OM has SUPERSTAR TALENT or lack thereof. All I said was that OM isn't as thin in talent as people are led to believe and that Cutcliffe was playing a good bit of freshmen last year to get them valuable gametime experience. :cool:

[Neo]

SO is Spurlock beter or worse ..

Cutt had 4 nfl O linemen to work with and he only managed 4 wins . and that with south carolina on the shcedule



Who do you think you are? Florida? Georgia? You cannot lose a player like Eli Manning and not expect a dropoff. That's insane. Ole Miss is not to the level of being able to "Reload" just yet.

As for Cutcliffe losing.....

When you lose a playmaker like Manning, there goes a major part of that team. To be honest, it's a double edged sword. If Cutcliffe didn't play Manning enough and give the youngins time to play, people would be hollering about it. If he plays him too much, people complain and moan. Cutcliffe played Manning to win. I mean, isn't that the object of the game? You put your best 11 men on the field.

The fact is, Cutcliffe's sixth (6th) year was going to be a rebuilding year. Cutcliffe didn't enjoy the luxury of being able to "Reload" his guns after Manning left. Instead of bashing Cutcliffe, maybe you all should say thank you for what he did accomplish at OM. :cool:

[Neo]

This is a post of mine back in Jan 2005 and it says enough. :cool:



I don't think Cutcliffe should have been fired either. You cannot lose your biggest playmaker (Eli Manning) and not expect a dropoff. That's insane.

As for him being fired, I've heard that he played too conservatively and refused to fire any of his assistants. As any rational person would understand, if you have a freshman QB, you don't throw him to the wolves. You gradually work him in and call conservative plays to build his confidence. If you noticed, Cutcliffe was playing almost all freshman at QB. That tells me that he was preparing for the future. Geez...Look at his career record at Ole Miss. He was 44-29-0 at Miss. That's not bad considering he plays in the SEC.


One word.....Cutcliffe......It's going to be a new term for screw job. The guy was the reigning SEC Coach of the Year! At Ole Miss! Since when do they expect not to have a down year, let alone after a run that saw them playing LSU for the right to go the SEC Championship game last year?

That guy got Cutcliffe'd, big time.

[cocky4ever]

Orgeron hasnt been at UM for long but he has had a chance to get his players ready to play in his system. The only game I saw on tv was the UM/Memphis game and the defense looked pretty good for the most part. The offense seems to be pretty bad. They arent on the same page as a team and dont execute very well. Those two things are the HC's responsibility. At this point I would say that Orgeron doesnt look like he's gonna do much to turn things around at Ole Miss, especially with Bama rising back up, Arkansas starting to get some big recruits, LSU being loaded for at least the next few years, and Auburn still having a great HC. He's got a very tough road ahead of him and you cant lose to Vandy and Wyoming when you're trying to make an impression on future prospects. Orgeron may do it, he may not. At this point it doesnt look good. Either way, UM is stuck with him for at least three years. It was hard enough for UM to get someone after firing a coach who the previous year was the Co-SEC Coach of the Year in the same division as the National Champions. If they fire Orgeron after the 2nd season they may have to settle for a high school coach(which they were considering after so much time had passed after firing Cutcliffe).

[Neo]

Orgeron hasnt been at UM for long but he has had a chance to get his players ready to play in his system. The only game I saw on tv was the UM/Memphis game and the defense looked pretty good for the most part. The offense seems to be pretty bad. They arent on the same page as a team and dont execute very well. Those two things are the HC's responsibility. At this point I would say that Orgeron doesnt look like he's gonna do much to turn things around at Ole Miss, especially with Bama rising back up, Arkansas starting to get some big recruits, LSU being loaded for at least the next few years, and Auburn still having a great HC. He's got a very tough road ahead of him and you cant lose to Vandy and Wyoming when you're trying to make an impression on future prospects. Orgeron may do it, he may not. At this point it doesnt look good. Either way, UM is stuck with him for at least three years. It was hard enough for UM to get someone after firing a coach who the previous year was the Co-SEC Coach of the Year in the same division as the National Champions. If they fire Orgeron after the 2nd season they may have to settle for a high school coach(which they were considering after so much time had passed after firing Cutcliffe).


APPLAUSE!!!!

I couldn't have said it better myself. Here's your reward Cocky.... :cool: :D

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[cocky4ever]

APPLAUSE!!!!

I couldn't have said it better myself. Here's your reward Cocky.... :cool: :D

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:D Thanks Neo...I do what I can. I remember you and I being the main ones saying that UM made a mistake by firing Cutcliffe back in Dec. It looks like we may have been on to something huh? :cool:

I would also like to add that the: "Well, he would've been gone anyway because of health problems" argument is null and void. If they would've kept him there and he did quit, it would've been easier to get a coach in there that they really wanted because coaches would've felt the position was more stable. Orgeron wasnt in the top 5 of the AD's list. I dont know what number he was...I quit keeping track when they got past five and started considering high school coaches. :eek:

[Cianne]

Orgeron hasnt been at UM for long but he has had a chance to get his players ready to play in his system.

His system is on the defensive side of the ball, and they have been pretty good. Definitely worlds better over the Driesbach defense who by the way Cutcliffe wouldn't fire because they were in love.

The only game I saw on tv was the UM/Memphis game and the defense looked pretty good for the most part. The offense seems to be pretty bad. They arent on the same page as a team and dont execute very well. Those two things are the HC's responsibility.

When it comes to the offense, that's really Mazzone's job rather than Orgeron's.

At this point I would say that Orgeron doesnt look like he's gonna do much to turn things around at Ole Miss, especially with Bama rising back up, Arkansas starting to get some big recruits, LSU being loaded for at least the next few years, and Auburn still having a great HC.

Our backasswards recruiting over the last 6 years has gotten us in that position. You would think that with Eli Manning and the rest that we could bring in top notch recruits and full classes but we had to consistently settle for 18-19 recruits (btw, that's worse than Alabama's probation...that's easily 25 scholarships lost over 6 years) and hoping for diamonds in the rough like Patrick Willis.

Cianne, I believe Cutcliffe went 0-3 with Spurlock. Cutlcliffe can coach circles around Orgeron.

You're such a goober, especially since Spurlock only started two games.

Orgeron didn't recruit anyone in his first year at Ole Miss. He admitted that he needed to do a better job at recruiting next year.

Ok, so he starts recruiting a good what? 6 months after other people and still manages to pull in some pretty good players. That's an idiotic comment that I 've come to expect from you. Of course he needs to do a better job, that's why he's already landed more commitments than Cutcliffe ever got in his 6 year tenure.

I would also like to add that the: "Well, he would've been gone anyway because of health problems" argument is null and void. If they would've kept him there and he did quit, it would've been easier to get a coach in there that they really wanted because coaches would've felt the position was more stable.

That point is as null and void as the other one is. The position wasn't stable. For 6 years Cutcliffe failed to abide by the rules set forth by the athletic department that strangely the rest of the coaches in the sports department did. He felt he didn't have to abide by the laws and was fine with having a defense that ranked somewhere between Div. II and Div. III quality.

[cocky4ever]

That point is as null and void as the other one is. The position wasn't stable. For 6 years Cutcliffe failed to abide by the rules set forth by the athletic department that strangely the rest of the coaches in the sports department did. He felt he didn't have to abide by the laws and was fine with having a defense that ranked somewhere between Div. II and Div. III quality.

Why does an AD hire a head coach? To coach a team and win games. Thats what Cutcliffe did. If the AD wanted that much control then let him get out there and coach the team and see how good he does. Better yet, lets just see how much good his decision making skills do for the Ole Miss football team.

[Cianne]

Why does an AD hire a head coach? To coach a team and win games. Thats what Cutcliffe did. If the AD wanted that much control then let him get out there and coach the team and see how good he does. Better yet, lets just see how much good his decision making skills do for the Ole Miss football team.

Seems to be working well in the other sports. It's not like it's hard to write up a 5 year plan just to keep your job. Hell, Rod Barnes does it, and he still has his. Cutcliffe saw no future for his team so he couldn't come up with one. He also refused to make coaching changes that were not only required but solely needed, aka Driesbach out as DC and Latina out as OC.

[Neo]

For 6 years Cutcliffe failed to abide by the rules set forth by the athletic department that strangely the rest of the coaches in the sports department did. He felt he didn't have to abide by the laws and was fine with having a defense that ranked somewhere between Div. II and Div. III quality.


How many different versions are we going to hear? I've heard...

1. Cutcliffe was too conservative.
2. Cutcliffe broke Athletic Dept. rules.
3. Cutcliffe didn't win enough games.
4. Cutcliffe refused to fire his assts. (Rightfully so mind you considering that he had total control over the hiring/firing of personnel stipulated in his contract.
5. The AD wanted to go into a different direction.

The reason in BOLD is what I heard from my "Deepthroats".

No matter what anyone else thinks, this firing really blew up in their faces. ESPN, TSN and FOX Sports all made their opinion widely known and it became clear to the rest of the coaching world that OM wronged Cutcliffe in the worst way possible. :cool:

When Erickson, Willingham, Neuheisel, Johnson and Petrino ALL turned down the OM job, that should have sent a strong message to the ones responsible. Hell, OM was even looking at HS coaches for God's sake. :eek:

[Cianne]

How many different versions are we going to hear? I've heard...

1. Cutcliffe was too conservative.
2. Cutcliffe broke Athletic Dept. rules.
3. Cutcliffe didn't win enough games.
4. Cutcliffe refused to fire his assts. (Rightfully so mind you considering that he had total control over the hiring/firing of personnel stipulated in his contract.
5. The AD wanted to go into a different direction.

The reason in BOLD is what I heard from my "Deepthroats".


Thanks for giving 5 reasons that Cutcliffe should have been fired. While #3 would have surfaced over this year and the next couple, the rest are perfectly viable reasons for a coach to be relieved of his duty. Thanks for making such a strong case for his firings. Thanks to your "Deepthroats" for helping, too.

No matter what anyone else thinks, this firing really blew up in their faces. ESPN, TSN and FOX Sports all made their opinion widely known and it became clear to the rest of the coaching world that OM wronged Cutcliffe in the worst way possible. :cool:

Did it blow up? Who cares. ESPN is so hard up for analysts that they needed to bring in Lou Holtz so that shows you how valid their opinions are. In fact, no media outlet's opinion is really all that important since it's always more about making controversy for ratings, be it sports, hurricanes, politics, whatever.

When Erickson, Willingham, Neuheisel, Johnson and Petrino ALL turned down the OM job, that should have sent a strong message to the ones responsible. Hell, OM was even looking at HS coaches for God's sake. :eek:

Neuheisel actively and openly embraced the chance to coach at Ole Miss, and the offer was never extended to him.

[Neo]

Neuheisel actively and openly embraced the chance to coach at Ole Miss, and the offer was never extended to him.



I must disagree. I don't have too many contacts at OM as I do USC, but they were VERY specific on that.

Behind closed doors, Neuheisel was quoted as saying "Not on your life." (Pertaining to the OM coaching vacancy)


Now, I know you're gonna think I'm full of it, but before you do, ask Jay Lupo (SECTalk.com member) on how I reported that two Arky baseball players tested positive for steroids before ANY other media source knew about it.

The proof is in the pudding. :cool:

[Rebeldrummer]

Who do you think you are? Florida? Georgia? You cannot lose a player like Eli Manning and not expect a dropoff. That's insane. Ole Miss is not to the level of being able to "Reload" just yet.

As for Cutcliffe losing.....

When you lose a playmaker like Manning, there goes a major part of that team. To be honest, it's a double edged sword. If Cutcliffe didn't play Manning enough and give the youngins time to play, people would be hollering about it. If he plays him too much, people complain and moan. Cutcliffe played Manning to win. I mean, isn't that the object of the game? You put your best 11 men on the field.

The fact is, Cutcliffe's sixth (6th) year was going to be a rebuilding year. Cutcliffe didn't enjoy the luxury of being able to "Reload" his guns after Manning left. Instead of bashing Cutcliffe, maybe you all should say thank you for what he did accomplish at OM. :cool:

I have come to the conclusion that I will now post Neo style ..

It is very simple if you follow no rules of logic and have no hangups about completely contraditing yourself to make a point . you will be a master debater .

[Rebeldrummer]

I must disagree. I don't have too many contacts at OM as I do USC, but they were VERY specific on that.

Behind closed doors, Neuheisel was quoted as saying "Not on your life." (Pertaining to the OM coaching vacancy)


Now, I know you're gonna think I'm full of it, but before you do, ask Jay Lupo (SECTalk.com member) on how I reported that two Arky baseball players tested positive for steroids before ANY other media source knew about it.

The proof is in the pudding. :cool:

and so now we here that you have more contacts at usc that you do ole miss and you prove this to us by saying that arkansas players tested positive and you knew about it .

and we should trust Jay lupo ..
:rolleyes: I need my emoticons .. these 11 just don't do teh trick

[Neo]

and so now we here that you have more contacts at usc that you do ole miss and you prove this to us by saying that arkansas players tested positive and you knew about it .

and we should trust Jay lupo ..
:rolleyes: I need my emoticons .. these 11 just don't do teh trick


You don't know me Rebel. You don't know who I know. Would you be surprised if I told you that I have family employed by the athletic departments at both USC and OM?

You've been here how long?:cool: Jay Lupo has been here a longgg time along with others and so far, you're my first doubter. I think it's more along the lines of "Not wanting to believe" than it is "Not believing".

Just wait and see.... :cool:

[Neo]

I have come to the conclusion that I will now post Neo style ..

It is very simple if you follow no rules of logic and have no hangups about completely contraditing yourself to make a point . you will be a master debater .



Whine, whine, whimper, whine. This is the purest form of "Sour Grapes" that anyone is ever going to find or see. :cool:


I just can't see Wyoming losing to Ole Miss. :cool:

yes but you have never been able to see anyone losing to Ole Miss...


Wyoming 24
Ole Miss 14

[JerryBeeds]

MOD FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p :p :p :p

[Djshockley3]

MOD FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p :p :p :p


This is getting good,lol. :D

[Neo]

This is getting good,lol. :D



What's good about it?

An OM fan started this thread. I didn't. I just gave my honest opinion and even though my views on Orgeron may seem harsh, OM's performance on the field this year just backs up my assumptions. :cool:

[Djshockley3]

What's good about it?

An OM fan started this thread. I didn't. I just gave my honest opinion and even though my views on Orgeron may seem harsh, OM's performance on the field this year just backs up my assumptions. :cool:


I am just kiddin,calm down.I agree with you Neo,so don't jump on me. :cool:

[Neo]

I am just kiddin,calm down.I agree with you Neo,so don't jump on me. :cool:



I wasn't jumping on ya. I didn't mean for you to take it that way. I was posing a serious question. :cool:

[Neo]

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/2971/dummies12copy6ts.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dummies12copy6ts.jpg)

[Jay_Lupo]

Here I am, and yeah you should trust me. I'm trustworthy.

Neo, while he can get at it you sometimes :), knows his shit and told this site about Bridges/Rowlett a day before it was known to the public. I work at a newspaper too. I would've of heard as soon as the press got it. Neo, who lives in SC and probably deosn't give 2 sh*ts a/b anything Arkansas, somehow knew that stuff. He's told me some Nebraska stuff before too I think. His "deepthroats", at least in my experience, have always been 100 % accurate.

Since we're on the subject, I'll give my two cents. I was left scratching my head after Cutcliff got, well, cutcliffed at Ole Miss. When they hired coach O., I was doing the same thing. Now I'm not saying it was wrong or right, but he did have a good record and had done some very good things. Sure, Eli made things a lot easier for him but should he punished for that? I'm just not sure how I could see where hiring coach O and firing David Cutcliff was the right thing to do. I'm sure OM would've have much rather had someone else, am I right? But since you're where you are, I'd give Orgeron a chance. It certainly hasn't been a good start for him though, as he's lucky to have won a game. Who am I to talk though? I'm an Arkansas fan :( The D is saucy though and if the offense can start doing anything the Rebs could have a chance.

And USC guys, mad props to Troy today. Big game for him today.

[uscrebel]

We'll see.

[Cianne]

We'll see.

8.36 x 11=???

The answer is.....42.

[uscrebel]

We'll see.

8.36 x 11=???

Actually, this is Jeopardy, so you will have to put your response in the form of a question.

I see. As usual, no one is up to the task. If you are curious...just ask.

[JerryBeeds]

I see. As usual, no one is up to the task. If you are curious...just ask.

We get it, but no one wants to humor you.... :p ;)

[JerryBeeds]

seventy-seven... same year as your t-topped camaro? :D :D

[uscrebel]

seventy-seven...

Jeopardy...in the form of a question.

[Djshockley3]

Jeopardy...in the form of a question.


What is 77!! :D

[JerryBeeds]

what is seventy-seven? same year as your t-topped camaro?

[Rebeldrummer]

the Last year I missed a home game at VHS !!!

[Rebeldrummer]

You don't know me Rebel. You don't know who I know. Would you be surprised if I told you that I have family employed by the athletic departments at both USC and OM?

You've been here how long?:cool: Jay Lupo has been here a longgg time along with others and so far, you're my first doubter. I think it's more along the lines of "Not wanting to believe" than it is "Not believing".

Just wait and see.... :cool:
haven't been here as long yess but I have been around many palces as Jay Lupo has .

your right I don't know you , don't know who your family is ..

but I must take your word on it and realize that only you have contacts

[Rebeldrummer]

Whine, whine, whimper, whine. This is the purest form of "Sour Grapes" that anyone is ever going to find or see. :cool:







Wyoming 24
Ole Miss 14


thanks for showing everyone I was right ... by taking quotes out of context and making yourself seem supre brilliant .

While I am not going back to look up quotes ..

I will tell you what that statement was related to ..

you posted how our talent was low and we discussed tha earlier this summer , then you come on and say our cupboard wasn't bare .. Flip flop

directly related to me saying "don't mind contradicting your self "
and of course by changing the statemnet around and bringing back a totally unrelated quote you pointed out that you follow no form of logic what so ever .

But since you point out my quote .. I will 'splain that too . I said that you have never said Ole Miss was going to beat any one . you said the same thing about memphis .


IF you keep saying we will lose eventually you will be right !and the odds of a new coach struggling at first are very high .Especially when we increased our schedule strenght by trading SC for UK

[uscrebel]

thanks for showing everyone I was right ... by taking quotes out of context and making yourself seem supre brilliant .
.....

IF you keep saying we will lose eventually you will be right !and the odds of a new coach struggling at first are very high .Especially when we increased our schedule strenght by trading SC for UK

Drummer....

Perhaps you have forgotten about that kid in 6th grade. You know the one that I am talking about. The one that didn't really have any friends and spent most of recess harassing fourth graders. Remember how he enjoyed tormenting them and watching them freak out.

Well...maybe you don't, in fact, remember him. I am assuming that you actually had friends and didn't hang out around that guy. But, maybe you heard him talking about how cool his bike was or his new pellet gun. I'm sure you overheard him talking about his uncle in the CIA or his brother who worked for the Saints or Falcons.

I'm sure you don't remember his name, because you eventually went away to Ole Miss. He didn't grow up...he's out there somewhere, can you guess where?

[Rebeldrummer]

Drummer....

Perhaps you have forgotten about that kid in 6th grade. You know the one that I am talking about. The one that didn't really have any friends and spent most of recess harassing fourth graders. Remember how he enjoyed tormenting them and watching them freak out.

Well...maybe you don't, in fact, remember him. I am assuming that you actually had friends and didn't hang out around that guy. But, maybe you heard him talking about how cool his bike was or his new pellet gun. I'm sure you overheard him talking about his uncle in the CIA or his brother who worked for the Saints or Falcons.

I'm sure you don't remember his name, because you eventually went away to Ole Miss. He didn't grow up...he's out there somewhere, can you guess where?

Oh I wish I had more emoticons ... that would win a posty If we had such an award here

[JerryBeeds]

Oh I wish I had more emoticons ... that would win a posty If we had such an award here

Hey RD, what is your forum? I've heard you say you have a site, what is it? I'd like to check it out.

[uscrebel]

Hey RD, what is your forum? I've heard you say you have a site, what is it? I'd like to check it out.


Me, too. Me, too.