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Riggs4theTD
08-08-2005, 04:52 PM
Sorry if this has been posted before, but I'm new to this site, and this is just friggin hilarious.....
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Following the 2004 season South Carolina has an all-time winning percentage under .500 (500-507-44), which ranks 88th all-time in D-1A football...only 29 programs have been worse. A few of the notable football programs who have been better than the Gamecocks include such powerhouses as: Duke, Western Michigan, Toledo, Navy, UAB, Central Florida, Ball St., North Texas, Nevada, East Carolina, Houston, Northern Illinois, Utah St., San Jose St., Vanderbilt, Akron, Baylor, UNLV, Kansas, and Rutgers just to name a few. This is Carolina Gamecock football.

In the 59 seasons Carolina has been affiliated with a conference, they have won that conference once...the ACC in 1969, with a 7-4 record. Since the Associated Press began ranking football teams in 1936, the Cocks have finished in the Top 20 of the rankings only five times in the 67 years.

Carolina has never finished in the Top 10 of a major recognized
poll...NEVER. The first year of Gamecock football was in 1892, Carolina won its first bowl game 103 years later under BRAD SCOTT. In 109 seasons of football, Carolina has yet to participate in one of the "Big 5" Bowls (Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, Cotton). As Carolina is set to begin its 110th season of collegiate football, they have won 10 or more games in a single season once. In 110 seasons, Carolina has won more games than it lost only 50 times. In 110 seasons, Carolina has won 6 or more games in a season 33 times, and lost 6 or more 35 times. This is Carolina Gamecock football.

South Carolina has had 32 different head coaches in its storied
tradition...only five of them stayed longer than 5 seasons, 21 of them have losing records. Add to that the winning tradition the Cocks have enjoyed at home in Williams-Brice Stadium. Carolina is 18-36-1 at home in conference since joining the SEC. It's another Carolina Touchdown!?.not quite. Of the 56 programs, which have played more than 1000 games all-time, only four have scored fewer points than South Carolina in their schools history.

Since joining the SEC in 1992, Carolina has had a winning record in the
conference twice. In the eleven seasons as a member of the SEC, Carolina boasts a conference record of 33-62-1.only two teams have been worse:

Kentucky has 26 wins, Vanderbilt 11. Although Carolina has yet to finish in the top two of the Eastern division, they have finished last twice.

Carolina has yet to win six conference games in a season, something that only Kentucky and Vanderbilt have done in the last 11 seasons. And no one should forget the fact that Carolina went two consecutive seasons without winning one conference game, not one. Carolina had an impressive string of 21 consecutive games with a loss snapped in 2000 by beating New Mexico State (then let the rest of the country know what Carolina football was all about by tearing down the goal-posts). Since 1992, only three times has any non-probation member of the conference failed to win two or more games overall in a season.South Carolina has accomplished this feat twice, Kentucky once. Since 1992, only once has a conference member failed to win a game overall in a single season.you guessed it, South Carolina. South Carolina's all-time record versus other current conference members is even more impressive: 2-9 vs Alabama, 4-8 vs Arkansas, 1-4-1 vs Auburn, 3-18-3 vs Florida, 13-41-2 vs Georgia, 8-6-1 vs Kentucky, 2-14-1 vs LSU, 5-7 vs Ole Miss, 5-6 vs Mississippi St., 2-18-2 vs Tennessee, and 11-2 vs Vanderbilt.

That's correct, Carolina leads the all-time series against 2 SEC
teams...Kentucky and Vanderbilt.

This is Carolina Gamecock football.


But, the comparison of only 12 seasons in one conference does no justice to the tradition of South Carolina football. So lets compare the Cocks record versus D-1A schools they have played 20 or more times: 36-61-4 vs Clemson, 17-24-3 vs Duke, 3-18-3 vs Florida, 13-41-2 vs Georgia, 9-12 vs Georgia Tech,11-17 vs Maryland, 16-34-4 vs North Carolina, 25-26-4 vs North Carolina State, 2-18-2 vs Tennessee, 21-12-1 vs Virginia, and 34-20-2 vs Wake Forest. That's correct, Carolina leads the all-time series against 2 of these 11 teams...Virginia and Wake Forest.

This is Carolina Gamecock football.

Gamecock fans justify their horrible football record thru the strength of
the SEC conference. But let's look at the Gamecock's record against the
other big 4 conferences. South Carolina is 172-221-18 vs the ACC, 6-8 vs the Big 12, 22-26-5 vs the Big East, and 3-5 vs the Big Ten.

This is Carolina Gamecock Football.

But all this tradition and past records are meaningless. What is more
important is the recent history. Only losers live in the past. We are in the
best years of Carolina Gamecock football, and the future has never been
brighter...or has it? Carolina is coming off another losing season, the 9th
in the last 13 seasons. Overall record since "the legend" Lou Holtz became
Head Coach: 27-32 (0.458) . Since 1995: 43-59-1. Since Joining the SEC:
60-75-1. Since 1990 South Carolina is 69-86-3. Carolina has finished in the Top 15 once in the past 15 seasons, and been to three bowl games in that span.

This is Carolina Gamecock football.

2003 was the season that the Cocks would rebuild and compete for a SEC title with their consecutive top 10 recruiting classes. Yet, they finished the season with another sub 500 performance. A season that ended with a 63-17 thumping at home from archrival Clemson. In 2004 ,the Carolina fans were again boasting about another great recruiting class. How did that end ? How about 29-7 and staying home AGAIN ! Now here comes another washed up coach and the fire extinguishers are being charged and a new 2001 CD has arrived
at William Brice. Through out the south, subtle echoes are being herd
everywhere, "Wait till next year!." :eek:

GeauxTo
08-08-2005, 04:55 PM
Geez, Riggs. I'm afraid you've opened yourself up for a torrent! Good luck.
:p

Riggs4theTD
08-08-2005, 04:58 PM
Torrent from SC fans? It's not like they can talk smack about beating UT.......at least since VHS tapes were in fashion. No worries.

JerryBeeds
08-08-2005, 05:03 PM
I don't care what trolls think. All you guy's can rip our tradition or whatever all you want. You can never takeaway our gamecock spirit. Do you think UT fans would fill Neyland stadium week in and week out during an 0-11 season. I don't think so. Flame on Riggs, I don't care... ;)

palmettocock
08-08-2005, 05:06 PM
Torrent from SC fans? It's not like they can talk smack about beating UT.......at least since VHS tapes were in fashion. No worries.

well you sir are a vestigio :D

Riggs4theTD
08-08-2005, 05:08 PM
UT fans, thank God, will never have to worry about a 0-11 season.

And the presumption that UT fans are not as loyal because their team doesn't suck is ridiculous.

JerryBeeds
08-08-2005, 05:11 PM
http://www.wrrx.com/images/Jerrybeeds/troll.jpg

fernandomike
08-08-2005, 05:38 PM
I am pretty much ambivalent about USC as a team, but they have good fans on this site who will be rewarded with some good seasons in the near future. That is not to say that they will ascend to the top of the conference. They will have to claw past some excellent teams and several of those are in the east. Still, anyone poking fun at Gamecock football probably doesn't have much longer to do so.

scunyon
08-08-2005, 05:43 PM
I am pretty much ambivalent about USC as a team, but they have good fans on this site who will be rewarded with some good seasons in the near future. That is not to say that they will ascend to the top of the conference. They will have to claw past some excellent teams and several of those are in the east. Still, anyone poking fun at Gamecock football probably doesn't have much longer to do so.


Quite right, and thank you for your sensible response.

HSVTider
08-08-2005, 06:38 PM
I am pretty much ambivalent about USC as a team, but they have good fans on this site who will be rewarded with some good seasons in the near future. That is not to say that they will ascend to the top of the conference. They will have to claw past some excellent teams and several of those are in the east. Still, anyone poking fun at Gamecock football probably doesn't have much longer to do so.

Right on. Its the same way with Bama. Better get your shots in your now.


Anyways, while I don't see South Carolina ever being a consistent year in and year out contender for the SEC Championship and/or the BCS. I do think that Spurrier can get them to be very competitive and approach 5-3 in conference on a consistent basis with the occasional trip to Atlanta.

Judging from where South Carolina is coming from, that is quite an accomplishment and there is no shame in it.

RTR!

GamecockDieHard
08-08-2005, 07:00 PM
Everyone is absolutely correct about our terrible football performance. It makes you all feel good to know deep down that no matter how bad your season may turn out, at least you're better than us. As true Gamecock fans we know the numbers better than any one of you. You're not being clever telling us how bad we are as a team. But you can't deny that every once and a while, you're afraid we may rise up and surprise your "all so great" team. I've been around a long time and I can't tell you how many fans from the "great" programs always worry a little bit when they play us. They usually win, but it's usually not the gimme that you guys are having fun with today. That's ok, you are absolutely right. But one thing is for sure, nothing is forever, and it may not be in my lifetime, but one day, we will win. And even if we don't, we won't stop trying. Who is the better fan? One who wants to fire a coach with and 8-3 record or one who still has hope in the face of 0-11? We won't stop supporting our team and we've proven it. Can any of you say the same? How many of you "know it alls" would even be on this site tonight, if you DIDN'T have the football heritage that you have? I'm proud to be a Gamecock and those on this site are too. So, have your fun, but remember.... to go out and win one for the Gipper. (It was even too sappy for me)
GO COCKS!!!!!

GamecockDieHard
08-08-2005, 07:17 PM
.... I don't see South Carolina ever being a consistent year in and year out

RTR!

What you don't see is based on what you have seen. We are forever hopeful and you must admit, if the Tide could have gotten Spurrier, they would have chopped "what's his name" into Elephant food reeeeaaal quick. Even if Spur can't get it done, that isn't the end, trust me. Whoever thinks they are the big deal, SC has now become, "WHO CAN DO IT?" I think there is a HC out there somewhere who can't wait his turn to try to do what others couldn't. I personally believe Spurrier will make all of you believers. But even if he can't get it done, we'll try again and again. And it's going to be fun trying. I'm satisfied with the effort. If our competitors are bored, then stop watching, get out of our way, and please shut the hell up. (Rhetorically speaking and certainly meaning no disrespect to you personally). :D

drkralc
08-08-2005, 07:50 PM
Obviously he's concerned about USC this year otherwise, why would he waste his time posting this trash?

JerryBeeds
08-08-2005, 07:56 PM
Also, this should be in the "Trash Talk" section, as this is obviously trash talk.

rabidcock
08-08-2005, 09:23 PM
Sorry if this has been posted before, but I'm new to this site, and this is just friggin hilarious.....

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Don't you have anything better to do?

I can remember when Virginia Tech was a doormat (which we aren't, with a record of almost .500), as well as Virginia. I recall when MiamiFla wasn't too hot, as well. Nobody belabors this, though, because of their success in the past few decades. And I'll tell you something else, too. NOBODY enjoys success more than one who has been dreaming about and idolizing it for is team for decades! And if we ever attain it (and I believe we will), you will see such rabid, insane fans the like of which you have never in your wildest dreams imagined. The resultant euphoria will be unparalleled in the annals of college football forevermore.

[And the funny thing is.....I can actually feel that it is about to happen.] :D

Foxman
08-08-2005, 09:39 PM
RabidCock is right, I don't know about the rabid fans and all, but I wouldn't worry about 0-11 seasons too much longer. Steve Spurrier (as much as I don't like him) is one of the best coaches in the nation. In 3,4,5+ years, I (IMO) will predict a new USC in the top 5.

I can speak as an SEC fan, I'm glad to see Coach Spurrier back in the SEC.

GamecocksRule
08-09-2005, 06:12 AM
http://www.wrrx.com/images/Jerrybeeds/troll.jpg
Are they coming out of the woodwork lately or is it just me? :D ;)

BeeDee
08-09-2005, 07:47 AM
Are they coming out of the woodwork lately or is it just me? :D ;)

It's not just you. The season's nearing and the natives are getting restless.

Gamecock in TN
08-09-2005, 08:10 AM
UT fans, thank God, will never have to worry about a 0-11 season.

And the presumption that UT fans are not as loyal because their team doesn't suck is ridiculous.

What are you crazy? UT has some of the most fairhweather fans in the country. I worked 1 block from UT campus for 3 yrs and have seen it. People could not make it to the exits quickly enough at last year's Georgia game. For the most part UT has a lot of people that are poor excuses for fans. There exceptions like Fernandomike and some others on this chatboard and that I have worked with. The students really do have some loyalty, but you knew business was going to be slow if UT was having what they considered to be a bad year. Like when everybody was calling for Randy Sanders' head after Clausens last year.

Carolina Fans may not be the biggest winners in the country, but we will never be too embarassed or unappreciative enough as to not show support our coaches and players,show how much we care for our team, or to show where our loyalties lie.

pc72687
08-09-2005, 09:01 AM
This came out a couple of years ago, I think some Clemson fan with too much time on his hands wrote it. I have more important things, and better things to do with my short existence on this earth then to go around digging up information on a particular team's PAST. But obviously people don't care that though the team may have struggled to win consistently, that doesn't mean the players, fans, or coaches worked/cheered any less hard. They just didn't have the overall talent or coaching nessecary to compete at the highest level.

GTmorris1970
08-10-2005, 06:43 PM
Sorry if this has been posted before, but I'm new to this site, and this is just friggin hilarious.....
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Following the 2004 season South Carolina has an all-time winning percentage under .500 (500-507-44), which ranks 88th all-time in D-1A football...only 29 programs have been worse. A few of the notable football programs who have been better than the Gamecocks include such powerhouses as: Duke, Western Michigan, Toledo, Navy, UAB, Central Florida, Ball St., North Texas, Nevada, East Carolina, Houston, Northern Illinois, Utah St., San Jose St., Vanderbilt, Akron, Baylor, UNLV, Kansas, and Rutgers just to name a few. This is Carolina Gamecock football.

In the 59 seasons Carolina has been affiliated with a conference, they have won that conference once...the ACC in 1969, with a 7-4 record. Since the Associated Press began ranking football teams in 1936, the Cocks have finished in the Top 20 of the rankings only five times in the 67 years.

Carolina has never finished in the Top 10 of a major recognized
poll...NEVER. The first year of Gamecock football was in 1892, Carolina won its first bowl game 103 years later under BRAD SCOTT. In 109 seasons of football, Carolina has yet to participate in one of the "Big 5" Bowls (Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, Cotton). As Carolina is set to begin its 110th season of collegiate football, they have won 10 or more games in a single season once. In 110 seasons, Carolina has won more games than it lost only 50 times. In 110 seasons, Carolina has won 6 or more games in a season 33 times, and lost 6 or more 35 times. This is Carolina Gamecock football.

South Carolina has had 32 different head coaches in its storied
tradition...only five of them stayed longer than 5 seasons, 21 of them have losing records. Add to that the winning tradition the Cocks have enjoyed at home in Williams-Brice Stadium. Carolina is 18-36-1 at home in conference since joining the SEC. It's another Carolina Touchdown!?.not quite. Of the 56 programs, which have played more than 1000 games all-time, only four have scored fewer points than South Carolina in their schools history.

Since joining the SEC in 1992, Carolina has had a winning record in the
conference twice. In the eleven seasons as a member of the SEC, Carolina boasts a conference record of 33-62-1.only two teams have been worse:

Kentucky has 26 wins, Vanderbilt 11. Although Carolina has yet to finish in the top two of the Eastern division, they have finished last twice.

Carolina has yet to win six conference games in a season, something that only Kentucky and Vanderbilt have done in the last 11 seasons. And no one should forget the fact that Carolina went two consecutive seasons without winning one conference game, not one. Carolina had an impressive string of 21 consecutive games with a loss snapped in 2000 by beating New Mexico State (then let the rest of the country know what Carolina football was all about by tearing down the goal-posts). Since 1992, only three times has any non-probation member of the conference failed to win two or more games overall in a season.South Carolina has accomplished this feat twice, Kentucky once. Since 1992, only once has a conference member failed to win a game overall in a single season.you guessed it, South Carolina. South Carolina's all-time record versus other current conference members is even more impressive: 2-9 vs Alabama, 4-8 vs Arkansas, 1-4-1 vs Auburn, 3-18-3 vs Florida, 13-41-2 vs Georgia, 8-6-1 vs Kentucky, 2-14-1 vs LSU, 5-7 vs Ole Miss, 5-6 vs Mississippi St., 2-18-2 vs Tennessee, and 11-2 vs Vanderbilt.

That's correct, Carolina leads the all-time series against 2 SEC
teams...Kentucky and Vanderbilt.

This is Carolina Gamecock football.


But, the comparison of only 12 seasons in one conference does no justice to the tradition of South Carolina football. So lets compare the Cocks record versus D-1A schools they have played 20 or more times: 36-61-4 vs Clemson, 17-24-3 vs Duke, 3-18-3 vs Florida, 13-41-2 vs Georgia, 9-12 vs Georgia Tech,11-17 vs Maryland, 16-34-4 vs North Carolina, 25-26-4 vs North Carolina State, 2-18-2 vs Tennessee, 21-12-1 vs Virginia, and 34-20-2 vs Wake Forest. That's correct, Carolina leads the all-time series against 2 of these 11 teams...Virginia and Wake Forest.

This is Carolina Gamecock football.

Gamecock fans justify their horrible football record thru the strength of
the SEC conference. But let's look at the Gamecock's record against the
other big 4 conferences. South Carolina is 172-221-18 vs the ACC, 6-8 vs the Big 12, 22-26-5 vs the Big East, and 3-5 vs the Big Ten.

This is Carolina Gamecock Football.

But all this tradition and past records are meaningless. What is more
important is the recent history. Only losers live in the past. We are in the
best years of Carolina Gamecock football, and the future has never been
brighter...or has it? Carolina is coming off another losing season, the 9th
in the last 13 seasons. Overall record since "the legend" Lou Holtz became
Head Coach: 27-32 (0.458) . Since 1995: 43-59-1. Since Joining the SEC:
60-75-1. Since 1990 South Carolina is 69-86-3. Carolina has finished in the Top 15 once in the past 15 seasons, and been to three bowl games in that span.

This is Carolina Gamecock football.

2003 was the season that the Cocks would rebuild and compete for a SEC title with their consecutive top 10 recruiting classes. Yet, they finished the season with another sub 500 performance. A season that ended with a 63-17 thumping at home from archrival Clemson. In 2004 ,the Carolina fans were again boasting about another great recruiting class. How did that end ? How about 29-7 and staying home AGAIN ! Now here comes another washed up coach and the fire extinguishers are being charged and a new 2001 CD has arrived
at William Brice. Through out the south, subtle echoes are being herd
everywhere, "Wait till next year!." :eek:

You know, a lot of that is right on, and I am glad you enjoyed. Let's see if it stays that way. I would sure hate for SOS to hurt your feelings really bad in the near future. ;)

pc72687
08-10-2005, 08:29 PM
I'm still trying to figure out the hilarity of it. If I read a similar posting about Duke, hilarious would not be the word that would come to mind, interesting maybe, but hilarious, no.

aslanscubs
09-08-2006, 12:49 PM
Everyone is absolutely correct about our terrible football performance. It makes you all feel good to know deep down that no matter how bad your season may turn out, at least you're better than us. As true Gamecock fans we know the numbers better than any one of you. You're not being clever telling us how bad we are as a team. But you can't deny that every once and a while, you're afraid we may rise up and surprise your "all so great" team. I've been around a long time and I can't tell you how many fans from the "great" programs always worry a little bit when they play us. They usually win, but it's usually not the gimme that you guys are having fun with today. That's ok, you are absolutely right. But one thing is for sure, nothing is forever, and it may not be in my lifetime, but one day, we will win. And even if we don't, we won't stop trying. Who is the better fan? One who wants to fire a coach with and 8-3 record or one who still has hope in the face of 0-11? We won't stop supporting our team and we've proven it. Can any of you say the same? How many of you "know it alls" would even be on this site tonight, if you DIDN'T have the football heritage that you have? I'm proud to be a Gamecock and those on this site are too. So, have your fun, but remember.... to go out and win one for the Gipper. (It was even too sappy for me)
GO COCKS!!!!!
Amen! I totally agree.

azamugg
09-08-2006, 01:02 PM
Amen! I totally agree.

you dug up an year old thread to post "Amen! I totally agree." ......boy you are bored AND lazy! :laugh: (not a flame)

shanksta13
09-08-2006, 01:05 PM
Hey Riggs I just wanted to point out some of the more recent past, which I see as more relevant.

Season Record 2005:

South Carolina 7-5
Tennessee 5-6

Let's try not to dwell on the past too much. Last year's numbers are in the past, as is everything in the article you posted. None of that will matter when October 28th rolls around.

El Tigre
09-08-2006, 01:21 PM
ur an idiot if u think spurrier doesnt have this team headed to the top of the SEC in the next few years. :brick:


That statement doesn't even need validification so don't bother with a response.

GAMECOCK_FAN
09-08-2006, 01:29 PM
ur an idiot if u think spurrier doesnt have this team headed to the top of the SEC in the next few years. :brick:


That statement doesn't even need validification so don't bother with a response.
Plus, like has been stated earlier, this whole thread (and most of the posts) is over a year old (Aug 2005). Check the dates folks. The originator of this thread hasn't been on here for a long, long time. Please, please, just let this thread die again.

aslanscubs
09-08-2006, 01:55 PM
you dug up an year old thread to post "Amen! I totally agree." ......boy you are bored AND lazy! (not a flame)
Ummm no. I just totally agreed with what was said no matter when it was posted. Plus, I guess I'm just a woman of few words.

Sorry. I didn't know I couldn't bring up "old" threads.

Neo
09-08-2006, 02:12 PM
Ummm no. I just totally agreed with what was said no matter when it was posted. Plus, I guess I'm just a woman of few words.

Sorry. I didn't know I couldn't bring up "old" threads.



No biggie Asian. Welcome to our family here at SECTalk.com!!!! :happy:

azamugg
09-08-2006, 02:15 PM
Ummm no. I just totally agreed with what was said no matter when it was posted. Plus, I guess I'm just a woman of few words.

Sorry. I didn't know I couldn't bring up "old" threads.

you can bring up old threads, I just thought it was funny, which is why I said parenthetically "not a flame"

shanksta13
09-08-2006, 02:52 PM
No biggie Asian. Welcome to our family here at SECTalk.com!!!! :happy:

Aslan is Asian?

AUChamps
09-08-2006, 09:20 PM
Taking it to Trash Talk:

I want personally thank South Carolina for having no use for Kenny Irons. We of the Auburn Family look very forward to seeing you guys in a couple of weeks and if we're lucky we'll have another 48-7 beating of you guys.

DELTOR
09-08-2006, 10:44 PM
Taking it to Trash Talk:

I want personally thank South Carolina for having no use for Kenny Irons. We of the Auburn Family look very forward to seeing you guys in a couple of weeks and if we're lucky we'll have another 48-7 beating of you guys.
Don't thank us; thank sorry @$$ Lou.

AUChamps
09-08-2006, 11:20 PM
Don't thank us; thank sorry @$$ Lou.
It really is funny how Lou never talks about Kenny Irons when Auburn is brought up. Mark May certainly has no problem, and while Lou mouths off about his Notre Dame time and his Arkansas time and his SC time whenever Spurrier is brought up, notice how he doesn't like to talk when the subject of Auburn and Kenny Irons is brought up?

So once again from the Auburn Family, Thanks Lou Holtz for not needing Kenny Irons.

GAMECOCKBOY
09-09-2006, 02:05 AM
It really is funny how Lou never talks about Kenny Irons when Auburn is brought up. Mark May certainly has no problem, and while Lou mouths off about his Notre Dame time and his Arkansas time and his SC time whenever Spurrier is brought up, notice how he doesn't like to talk when the subject of Auburn and Kenny Irons is brought up?

So once again from the Auburn Family, Thanks Lou Holtz for not needing Kenny Irons.
congrads to irons for growing up...i dont want players who dont wanna go into a game and who has poor work ethics...its nice to see he has matured...i wish him the best but i am happy to have cory boyd,mike davis and others here who work there asses off and do what coach spurrier ask them to do...

aslanscubs
09-09-2006, 11:25 AM
Aslan is Asian?
Not hardly...Just a typo. :smile:

As for Kenny Irons, yes, that was Lou's doing. We've changed a LOT since then! We may not be ready to beat Auburn yet but our time is coming soon.

NineInchCock
09-09-2006, 11:42 AM
Not hardly...Just a typo. :smile:

As for Kenny Irons, yes, that was Lou's doing. We've changed a LOT since then! We may not be ready to beat Auburn yet but our time is coming soon.

I agree that we aren't ready to beat Auburn, but not all of Kenny Irons was Lou's doing. If a player refuses to go out in the 4th Quarter, then he shouldn't be here at all, regardless of what kind of talent he has. I'll also go out on a limb and say that he does have a nice benefit of being able to run behind an excellent offensive line as well, and would have never gotten the fame he got at Auburn if he would have stayed here.