Shoot-to-Kill

[GeauxTo]

British stand by 'shoot to kill'
(07/25/2005 © Washington Times)
Police and the government said yesterday they will not back away from a tough new "shoot-to-kill" policy when pursuing suspected terrorists or suicide bombers, despite the death on Friday of an innocent Brazilian who was shot after fleeing police.

If police order you to stop, and you do not, bad things will happen to you.
;)

[RW13]

Good, they aren't as reactionary as we are here in america, it would be 24/7 news, lawsuits, etc etc, glad to see they are letting the cops protect ppl and do their jobs....

[JerryBeeds]

The sad thing is, the probably didn't understand what they were saying to him. He still should have been able to recoginize that they were police officers.

[cocky4ever]

The sad thing is, the probably didn't understand what they were saying to him. He still should have been able to recoginize that they were police officers.
Good point Beeds. I agree they should be able to do their job, but even if he had turned out to be a terrorist it would probably be better to take him alive, and if he's an innocent civilian then it goes without saying that he shouldnt be killed. From the story I heard they already had him on the ground when they shot him. If thats they way it went down then I dont think they should be commended for doing a good job and told to keep up the good work. Plus with him being from Brazil, I could only imagine what it was like to be in a different country with people shouting at you things you dont understand and chasing after you. When the fight or flight mechanism kicks in normal logic is thrown out the window and no one should be killed for one reaction they made at a split second when lots of adrenaline was pumping through their veins. Sure the police need to crack down on terrorism and be harsher, but like I said even if he was a terrorist it would have been better to take him alive, especially at a point when the UK desperately needs to get a better idea of the groups operating in that area. I wouldnt say the cops did a good job in this instance, I would say they did a very bad one.

[Cianne]

From the story I heard they already had him on the ground when they shot him. If thats they way it went down then I dont think they should be commended for doing a good job and told to keep up the good work.
They would get hammered with excessive force over here if they had him on the ground and put multiple bullets in his head/torso.

Plus with him being from Brazil, I could only imagine what it was like to be in a different country with people shouting at you things you dont understand and chasing after you. When the fight or flight mechanism kicks in normal logic is thrown out the window and no one should be killed for one reaction they made at a split second when lots of adrenaline was pumping through their veins.
While he is Brazilian and Portugeuse is probably more native than English to him, he had lived in London for three years prior to the incident so he should have known better than running.

Sure the police need to crack down on terrorism and be harsher, but like I said even if he was a terrorist it would have been better to take him alive, especially at a point when the UK desperately needs to get a better idea of the groups operating in that area.
Agreed, they need information and plugging potentials full of lead won't get them any answers.

[jneesy]

whatcha bet that there wont be any fleeing non-anglo suspects in britian for awile.
this is a war and in war sometimes innocent people get killed its not pretty but its the truth.

and the next suspect will more apt to talk because this incedent shows that britain is through playing the victim

[cocky4ever]

They would get hammered with excessive force over here if they had him on the ground and put multiple bullets in his head/torso.


While he is Brazilian and Portugeuse is probably more native than English to him, he had lived in London for three years prior to the incident so he should have known better than running.


Agreed, they need information and plugging potentials full of lead won't get them any answers.
Well, I think its a good thing that police over here get punished for shooting people when they have them surrounded on the ground and the person doesnt show any threat towards them. Maybe you feel differently about that matter.

I didnt know that he had lived in London for 3 years. That makes him more accountable for his actions since he was familiar with the language and system, however, he didnt deserve to die.

[Cianne]

Well, I think its a good thing that police over here get punished for shooting people when they have them surrounded on the ground and the person doesnt show any threat towards them. Maybe you feel differently about that matter.

I didnt know that he had lived in London for 3 years. That makes him more accountable for his actions since he was familiar with the language and system, however, he didnt deserve to die.

Just so you know, I agreed with you on everything. I was just pulling quotes and making statements.

[cocky4ever]

whatcha bet that there wont be any fleeing non-anglo suspects in britian for awile.
this is a war and in war sometimes innocent people get killed its not pretty but its the truth.

and the next suspect will more apt to talk because this incedent shows that britain is through playing the victim
I dont really think its gonna keep any terrorist from running for fear of being shot. We're talking about people who willingly go out and blow themselves up. The types of rationale used by most people is totally lost on these loonies.

Sure innocent people die in wars, it happens every day. I dont think that justifies shooting a man on the ground who shows no signs of threat to you. Innocent people die in wars everyday, its a fact of life. People get raped everyday, its a fact of life. However, to use the excuse of "This happens numerous times everyday so its not that bad" to justify a situation in which a man was shot who posed no threat to anyone is not a reasoning that holds much weight in my book. Sure the man shouldn't have ran and he is partly at fault in this situation, but he didnt deserve to die.

[cocky4ever]

Just so you know, I agreed with you on everything. I was just pulling quotes and making statements.
Nothing wrong with that. It informed me about things in the situation which I didnt know so your post was appreciated.

[drkralc]

Just so your aware... The suspect spoke and understood english. As far as the police knew he was a suspected terrorist with a heavy coat on and was running from them. For all they knew he may have been carrying explosives and had it out for British civilians. I'm not trying to draw to conclusions, I'm just repeating what I've read. I think there has to be a lot more investigation into this matter before we go faulting the police (second toughest job in the world) or tirading about a government cover-up.