Spurrier's Flawed Logic?

[Gamecocks4Ever]

Okay, when I heard the sanctions that we were proposing to the NCAA, my first thought was that it really wouldn't hurt us that badly, although I really don't believe that the NCAA will let us get off that easily. Now, I pick up the State Newspaper this morning and read an article which has the following quote from "Darth Visor" (I'd never heard him called that before but think it's hillarious).

"We're going to offer a couple of scholarships to the NCAA, and certainly we've got a couple of players on scholarship that we probably won't miss at South Carolina."

Okay, now I know this could have been a misqoute and so forth, but why on earth would you say something like that, or even remotely close? I'm sure the NCAA is smart enough to figure out that it really wouldn't hurt us that badly, but did he really feel the need to back that up? Now I'm thinking the NCAA might come back with a soundbite of their own, something to the tune of:

"We know you wouldn't miss 4 scholarships, that's why we're taking away 15."

Any thoughts?

[BeeDee]

Okay, when I heard the sanctions that we were proposing to the NCAA, my first thought was that it really wouldn't hurt us that badly, although I really don't believe that the NCAA will let us get off that easily. Now, I pick up the State Newspaper this morning and read an article which has the following quote from "Darth Visor" (I'd never heard him called that before but think it's hillarious).

"We're going to offer a couple of scholarships to the NCAA, and certainly we've got a couple of players on scholarship that we probably won't miss at South Carolina."

Okay, now I know this could have been a misqoute and so forth, but why on earth would you say something like that, or even remotely close? I'm sure the NCAA is smart enough to figure out that it really wouldn't hurt us that badly, but did he really feel the need to back that up? Now I'm thinking the NCAA might come back with a soundbite of their own, something to the tune of:

"We know you wouldn't miss 4 scholarships, that's why we're taking away 15."

Any thoughts?
I agree completely. If he did say that, he sure stuck his foot in his big mouth.

[BubbaVol]

Well some of the other news out of Columbia is that Steve took back scholarships from 6 current players. Then he gave them to walk-ons that were getting it done in practice. Steve is a hard man to get a bead on, and he may upset a lot of folks. But, kids will still come to play for him. They will respect him. They will know that he means what he says.

I hate Florida football (from a rivalry standpoint) but I have nothing but respect for SOS. Now that he's coaching USC I'll learn to hate them more. But he will get the results he wants out of his teams one way or another.

I'm not sure what the max and min punishments for the problems at SC. I really don't know what all they've done. But with the forthcoming nature and the fact that all the bad eggs are out of the basket, I see the NCAA accepting the punishment as is. I don't think that Steve was making a comment to the NCAA, but rather saying that he doesn't have his cup running over with talent this season.

[Gamecocks4Ever]

Oh, don't get the idea from the post that I don't like Spurrier. I love the fact that he's here. Just was curious as to why he'd make a comment like that. I'm not as optimistic as most USC fans about this year though. I am merely HOPING that we can pull out 6 wins, but do think that every game will be interesting in it's own way.

[ColonelKurtz]

(Stepping up on top of my soapbox)

Though I disagree with what he did, Spurrier knows better than anyone what he wants to do and accomplish. Call me a softy, but guys who find themselves in the midst of a coaching change and aren't miscreants don't deserve to have their pursuit of a degree placed in jeapordy by losing their scholarships. That they may not have the talent to contribute in the way envisioned by the new HC is immaterial for the process of recruiting isn't an annual affair.

Some will contend that it is the business side of College Football which justifies it but I challenge those who hold that thinking to show me where any SEC program is currently bleeding red ink. W/L records are the measuring stick for HC's but not so much so that the College part of the equation is tossed aside in favor of them.

[cocky4ever]

(Stepping up on top of my soapbox)

Though I disagree with what he did, Spurrier knows better than anyone what he wants to do and accomplish. Call me a softy, but guys who find themselves in the midst of a coaching change and aren't miscreants don't deserve to have their pursuit of a degree placed in jeapordy by losing their scholarships. That they may not have the talent to contribute in the way envisioned by the new HC is immaterial for the process of recruiting isn't an annual affair.

Some will contend that it is the business side of College Football which justifies it but I challenge those who hold that thinking to show me where any SEC program is currently bleeding red ink. W/L records are the measuring stick for HC's but not so much so that the College part of the equation is tossed aside in favor of them.
Perhaps you should read the "Spurrier Responds" thread to get a better idea of where Spurrier is coming from.

[gopig]

Of course Spurrier would say something like that. That's why he's Spurrier!

Don't anyone get suprised now... we all know he says some unexpected things.

[pc72687]

He is also just warning the public about what he is going to do. When I saw the report of 6 players losing their scholarships I just thought oh, he has already gotten rid of the players who think they don't have to work hard to win championships.

[ColonelKurtz]

Perhaps you should read the "Spurrier Responds" thread to get a better idea of where Spurrier is coming from.

I already knew what Spurrier would say, but what he didn't say was why he sent letters before meeting with the guys in person. What is SOS going to do to help those guys finish their degrees?

This is a very calculated risk and one with the potential for blowing up in his face is the point. Maltreatment of guys doesn't sit well with the High School HC's and it is them who must be catered to if SC is to acquire the talent. We shall soon see.

[cocky4ever]

I already knew what Spurrier would say, but what he didn't say was why he sent letters before meeting with the guys in person. What is SOS going to do to help those guys finish their degrees?

This is a very calculated risk and one with the potential for blowing up in his face is the point. Maltreatment of guys doesn't sit well with the High School HC's and it is them who must be catered to if SC is to acquire the talent. We shall soon see.
As long as these high school kids have a good work ethic and try their best to contribute to the team then they will have nothing to worry about. If they wont then we dont need them anyway.

[jneesy]

he's using simple logic...

if the ncaa will only let him have 75 scholarship
players by god the are going to be the best 75 he can find

i imagine there are alot of players on the usc squad the steve wouldnt have given a second look to in recruiting but now he's got them and has to do the best he can with the best he's got

[ColonelKurtz]

As long as these high school kids have a good work ethic and try their best to contribute to the team then they will have nothing to worry about. If they wont then we dont need them anyway.

It has absolutely nothing to do with work ethic or trying their best, for Spurrier said it very plainly that if what he considers to be the necessary talent isn't there, then they're goners. The project guys who are late bloomers are the ones which make or break programs and they are the ones that SC cannot afford to turn off.

[uscrebel]

He is also just warning the public about what he is going to do. When I saw the report of 6 players losing their scholarships I just thought oh, he has already gotten rid of the players who think they don't have to work hard to win championships.

New coaches pulling scholarships is very common in the case of programs that have been struggling. Orgeron lifted two at Ole Miss and decisions have been about playing time and depth that will probably see other players leaving in the near future. Croom has been clearing out the deadwood in Starkpatch for the past 12 months. When PC came to SC a couple of players declared early and a few more "disappeared" over the next three or four months.

I actually read Spurrier's comments as typical Spurrier glibness.

You Carolina folks really should take it down a notch or two. As I recall, there was a lot of this sort of hype when Grannie Holtz came to Columbia. There was an media focus on everything that he said and did...remember? Then reality set in. The difference this time may be that Spurrier is not washed up and does not have a history of cheating.

As to the NCAA, they have shown throughout history that they will do what they will do, regardless of who they are f**ing with or how much it injures players or coaches who had nothing to do with the problems. USCar may actually be lucky in one regard...it's not like the Gamecocks were threatening to become a dominant team in the SEC. The misbehavior created by selfish coaches and selfish players has pretty much returned South Carolina to the 5-7 & 6-5 seasons that marked previous regimes.

The other issue here is that Spurrier is loving this probation thing...this gives him a built-in villain...the NCAA...for the next three or four years. I think that he is completely capable of using this for locker room motivation.

[ColonelKurtz]

Smokin' point!:

The other issue here is that Spurrier is loving this probation thing...this gives him a built-in villain...the NCAA...for the next three or four years. I think that he is completely capable of using this for locker room motivation.

[Rebeldrummer]

Okay, when I heard the sanctions that we were proposing to the NCAA, my first thought was that it really wouldn't hurt us that badly, although I really don't believe that the NCAA will let us get off that easily. Now, I pick up the State Newspaper this morning and read an article which has the following quote from "Darth Visor" (I'd never heard him called that before but think it's hillarious).

"We're going to offer a couple of scholarships to the NCAA, and certainly we've got a couple of players on scholarship that we probably won't miss at South Carolina."

Okay, now I know this could have been a misqoute and so forth, but why on earth would you say something like that, or even remotely close? I'm sure the NCAA is smart enough to figure out that it really wouldn't hurt us that badly, but did he really feel the need to back that up? Now I'm thinking the NCAA might come back with a soundbite of their own, something to the tune of:

"We know you wouldn't miss 4 scholarships, that's why we're taking away 15."

Any thoughts?


No .. I think it is classic spurrier .. youv'e already kicked off a couple people for legal issues . he could have been refering to them or then some on the team . Remember though the one thing I have always like about spurrier is , he doesn't mince words . Soem say he's cocky , yea so he backed it up more than not . he ran teh score up , meh it's your job to stop me ..

you always know exactly what he thinks , no coach speak !

[AceLeroy]

Okay, when I heard the sanctions that we were proposing to the NCAA, my first thought was that it really wouldn't hurt us that badly, although I really don't believe that the NCAA will let us get off that easily. Now, I pick up the State Newspaper this morning and read an article which has the following quote from "Darth Visor" (I'd never heard him called that before but think it's hillarious).

"We're going to offer a couple of scholarships to the NCAA, and certainly we've got a couple of players on scholarship that we probably won't miss at South Carolina."

Okay, now I know this could have been a misqoute and so forth, but why on earth would you say something like that, or even remotely close? I'm sure the NCAA is smart enough to figure out that it really wouldn't hurt us that badly, but did he really feel the need to back that up? Now I'm thinking the NCAA might come back with a soundbite of their own, something to the tune of:

"We know you wouldn't miss 4 scholarships, that's why we're taking away 15."

Any thoughts?

Because he is arrogant and he thinks he can win anyway..............And of course , he is right.......he will win anyway.

You gotta love his confidence.

As a big fan of college football , I am very glad to see someone as entertaining as Spurrier return to the college ranks and even more glad to see him return to the SEC , OUR LEAGUE.

I can't wait to see South Carolina play this year. It should be very fun to watch their games.

[pc72687]

I just appreciate the honesty. It may not agree with everyone and he may not be on everyone's good side but he doesn't care because it is the truth and that is that.