NCAA findings released by USC...

[JerryBeeds]

USC and the NCAA enforcement staff have agreed that the institution committed the following violations
of NCAA legislation:

1. Nature of Violation: Recruiting (Improper Benefit); Participation by Ineligible Student-Athlete.
Description of Violation: During the summer of 2001, the former senior associate athletics director for
academic support services arranged for impermissible tutoring assistance for 2 football prospective student-
athletes who had signed National Letters of Intent with USC but who had enrolled in a two year college in
order to earn academic credits necessary to be admitted to USC. The student-athletes were admitted to USC
in the fall, 2001. USC self-reported the violation to on September 11, 2001, declared the student-athletes
ineligible, and required them to make restitution for the value of the tutoring they received. However, the
self-report failed to state that the student-athletes had competed in 2 contests while ineligible, and understated
the amount and value of the tutoring. As a result, the student-athletes competed while ineligible in 2001 and
2002 [Note: student-athlete #1 competed in a total of 11 contests; student-athlete #2 competed in a total of
24 contests]. A corrective self-report was submitted on September 9, 2003.
Type of Violation: Major
USC Self-Reports: USC self-reported the violation on September 11, 2001 and September 9, 2003.


2. Nature of Violation: Ethical Conduct
Description of Violation: The former senior associate athletics director acted contrary to the principles
of ethical conduct in that (1) he arranged and then knowingly allowed impermissible tutoring assistance to
be provided to 2 football prospective student-athletes, (2) knowingly allowed the institution's director of
compliance to prepare and submit an incomplete and inaccurate self-report of the tutoring incident to the
conference office and to the NCAA, and (3) created an environment that discouraged the reporting of possible
NCAA rules violation by his subordinates.
Type of Violation: Major
USC Self Reports: USC self-reported the impermissible tutoring assistance on September 11, 2001 and
September 9, 2003.


3. Nature of Violation: Extra Benefit; Participation By Ineligible Student-Athlete
Description of Violation: A football student-athlete received an impermissible extra benefit when he was
administratively reinstated from academic suspension by an academic dean at the beginning of the spring
semester of 2002 contrary to USC's reinstatement policies. As a result, the student-athlete competed in 12
contests in 2002 while ineligible.
Type of Violation: Major
USC Self-Reports: USC self-reported the potential violation on September 2, 2003.


4. Nature of Violation: Recruiting (Impermissible Contact)
Description of Violation: A former governor of South Carolina who was also a representative of USC's
athletics interests had impermissible contact with up to 12 prospective student-athletes on January 15, 2000
during half-time of a USC men's basketball game, and with 1 prospective student-athlete on November 17,
2001 on the sideline prior to kickoff at a USC football game. [Note: USC had previously self-reported 2
impermissible contacts between the former governor and prospective student-athletes on February 4, 2002.]
Type of Violation: Secondary
USC Self-Reports: USC self-reported the violation on June 26, 2003.


5. Nature of Violation: Recruiting (Presence of Media During Recruiting Contact; Comments Before
Signing)
Description of Violation: The former head football coach had a recruiting contact with 2 prospective
student-athletes while a member of the media was present. A former assistant football coach made
impermissible comments regarding a prospective student-athlete's intention to attend USC.
Type of Violation: Secondary
USC Self-Reports: USC self-reported the violation on January 26, 2004.


6. Nature of Violation: Recruiting (Official Paid Visits)
Description of Violation: A prospective student-athlete was transported by his student host beyond the
allowable 30 mile radius of USC's campus during his official paid visit so as to pick up a second prospective
student-athlete who was also being recruited by USC. The second prospect accompanied the first prospect
back to campus and spent the night in the room provided by USC to the first prospect, thus constituting an
official paid visit to USC. The second prospect had already taken his one allowable official paid visit to USC.
[Note: neither prospective student-athlete signed a National Letter of Intent with USC.]
Type of Violation: Secondary
USC Self-Reports: No self-report has been filed by USC.


7. Nature of Violation: Summer Camp Brochure
Description of Violation: Prior to the 2002 summer football camp, USC distributed a camp brochure that
included information unrelated to specific camp events and activities. [Note: A change in NCAA legislation
effective August 1, 2003 made a brochure similar to the 2002 brochure permissible.]
Type of Violation: Secondary
USC Self-Reports: USC self-reported the violation on September 30, 2002.


8. Nature of Violation: Voluntary Athletically Related Activities (Summer Workouts); Requirement for
Practice
Description of Violation: On some occasions from 1999 to 2002, the former head strength and
conditioning coach for football conducted summer workouts for football student-athletes that 5 student-
athletes considered to be non-voluntary. USC's football coaching staff allowed 1 football student-athlete to
practice for 1 to 2 weeks at the beginning of football season in 2001 despite the fact that he was not enrolled
in a full-time program of studies.
Type of Violation: Major
USC Self-Reports: No self-report has been filed by USC.


9. Nature of Violation: Extra Benefit
Description of Violation: Athletics department employees provided local transportation to a football
student-athlete that exceeded the "occasional basis" for transportation permitted by NCAA legislation.
Type of Violation: The NCAA enforcement staff regards this violation to be major. USC regards this
violation to be secondary.
USC Self-Reports: No self-report has been filed by USC.


10. Nature of Violation: Institutional Control
Description of Violation: USC demonstrated a lack of appropriate control and monitoring of (a) its
program for investigating and reporting NCAA rules violations in that it failed to conduct adequate and
complete investigations into the impermissible provision of tutoring assistance to prospects (Violation No.
1 above), and the impermissible recruiting contacts between the former governor of South Carolina and
prospects (Violation No. 4 above), and (b) its academic readmission process as it related to the readmission
of an academically suspended football student-athlete (Violation No. 3 above).
Type of Violation: Major
USC Self-Reports: No self-report has been filed by USC.III.

[Djshockley3]

Does all this mean you guys will get put on probation.

[JerryBeeds]

We are going to get popped big-time I think. The "lack of institutional control" is the killer. We may lose bowl games and TV time over this.

[JerryBeeds]

The majority of Spurrier's tenure here could be spent on probation. I knew Lou was dirty, but this is way worse than I expected.

[Djshockley3]

We are going to get popped big-time I think. The "lack of institutional control" is the killer. We may lose bowl games and TV time over this.


Man that sucks for you guys,do you think this season will count in the lose of bowl games and tv time.

[OmahaBound]

does the term probation guarantee bowl ineligibility or is that just a possible consequence of being on probation? if it's guaranteed then we're at least bowl ineligible for 2 years by our own suggestion.

[jneesy]

now who's a cheater????

i didnt even know this was going on
(and the ncaa has pretty much stopped taking tv time it screws an innocent party)

and bowl ineligablity is a seperate punishment probation just means the ncaa is watching closer and you better not screw up during that time

i still think the ncaa is trying to destroy the sec

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

now who's a cheater????

i didnt even know this was going on
(and the ncaa has pretty much stopped taking tv time it screws an innocent party)
It's all Tennessee's fault. Isn't that what we're supposed to say jneesy? ;)

[Djshockley3]

It's all Tennessee's fault. Isn't that what we're supposed to say jneesy? ;)


Thats what I would be saying.

[jneesy]

well one things for sure if y'all were ut you wouldnt have to worry about being punished

[Djshockley3]

well one things for sure if y'all were ut you wouldnt have to worry about being punished


Ha ha,now that is a fact. :D

[JerryBeeds]

It's all Tennessee's fault. Isn't that what we're supposed to say jneesy? ;)
Actually Fulmer did get the investigation started after Derek Watson chose USC over UT in 1999. I think we improperly recruited Watson and Fulmer told the NCAA. I'm not blaming Fulmer, but he did throw the light on us.

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

Actually Fulmer did get the investigation started after Derek Watson chose USC over UT in 1999. I think we improperly recruited Watson and Fulmer told the NCAA. I'm not blaming Fulmer, but he did throw the light on us.
I knew it. It was a conspiracy!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

[BeeDee]

<sarcasm>I say you should all get dressed up in your chicken suits and march on Knoxville. Give 'ol Phat Phil hell! Isn't he the root of all NCAA sanctions? I mean, surely no one would be punished for their OWN BAD DEEDS!! That's just preposterous! </sarcasm>

;)

[Chivas]

After all the disses on bama by USC.....how ironic

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

After all the disses on bama by USC.....how ironic
In all honesty, if the article is correct and we did those violations that were stated, which it appears that we did since USC and the NCAA Enforcement Staff have agreed that we did, then we should be ready to pay the consequences. And from this end, I'll not blame anyone but those associated with our program (Holtz, etc.).

[Tydefan]

Lets just hope that the SEC doesn't turn into the old SWC.

[LedCock]

I can get on here just like anyone else and say, oh it looks like usc is gonna get the death penalty for this one. But that would be total BS. If the ncaa was given 3 years to investigate any school you know they are gonna find something. Half of these violations are beyond silly. Hell we reported most of them anyway. USC has suggested imposing a reduction of 56 to 50 paid recruiting trips. 2 scholly loses each year for the next two years. We've already fired Tom Perry who violated several of findings. And the lack of institutional control thing is like giving someone a speeding ticket and then another ticket for purposely breaking the law. I don't think USC is gonna get slammed for this as much as many of you think or hope.

[jneesy]

i still say the ncaa wants the sec destroyed how many schools have been investigated in the last 10 years

off the top of my head all but two
vandy and florida
has the ncaa been to gainsville lately???

[jneesy]

i say they'll get everything usc propsed except i think it will be 5 schollies for three years and 1 year bowl ban.

one thing you learn as a bama fan its how the ncaa operates

[Tydefan]

I can get on here just like anyone else and say, oh it looks like usc is gonna get the death penalty for this one. But that would be total BS. If the ncaa was given 3 years to investigate any school you know they are gonna find something. Half of these violations are beyond silly. Hell we reported most of them anyway. USC has suggested imposing a reduction of 56 to 50 paid recruiting trips. 2 scholly loses each year for the next two years. We've already fired Tom Perry who violated several of findings. And the lack of institutional control thing is like giving someone a speeding ticket and then another ticket for purposely breaking the law. I don't think USC is gonna get slammed for this as much as many of you think or hope.
Actually, to the NCAA LOIC is the biggie. Using your analogy it is like getting a speeding ticket and then being sentenced to jail time for breaking the law. I am not saying USC gets hammered or not, just explaining LOIC and NCAA.

[jneesy]

loic is the ncaa's equivilent of a capital crime

[WayzUp]

Can anyone please explain to me in English what significance, if any, the fact that we self-reported most of the major violations has with our punishment?

[Neo]

What everyone needs to realize is that USC broke the rules PERIOD! We deserve whatever punishment the NCAA decides to levy against us.

Personally, I think the NCAA will accept our recommendations for punishment without hesitation. For example;

#1 Steve Spurrier is known in the college football world as a man that runs a squeaky clean program.

#2 Everyone attached to those violations have either left or been fired.

#3 The last major violation commited by USC was back in 1967. The NCAA will take that into consideration.


Don't get me wrong, I am fully disgusted by this and we deserve every bit of it. It's just one more smear on USC's record and another "Question" on Holtz's resume. :mad:

[GTmorris1970]

What everyone needs to realize is that USC broke the rules PERIOD! We deserve whatever punishment the NCAA decides to levy against us.

Personally, I think the NCAA will accept our recommendations for punishment without hesitation. For example;

#1 Steve Spurrier is known in the college football world as a man that runs a squeaky clean program.

#2 Everyone attached to those violations have either left or been fired.

#3 The last major violation commited by USC was back in 1967. The NCAA will take that into consideration.


Don't get me wrong, I am fully disgusted by this and we deserve every bit of it. It's just one more smear on USC's record and another "Question" on Holtz's resume. :mad:

Agree 100%. What I hate is this being one more thing Spurrier has to walk into. I agree, we deserve whatever we get. :mad:

[OmahaBound]

yeah, if we can get out of this without losing any bowl eligibility i will be thrilled. there's no doubt that we deserve it if we get it, but avoiding that particular punishment will make sure that recruiting isn't affected toooooo much by this.

[pc72687]

This makes me sick. Holtz cheated and didn't even really do that good.

[jneesy]

firing the guilty parties usually doesnt make a difference but steves rep may carry some weight

[Neo]

firing the guilty parties usually doesnt make a difference


Actually it does. The NCAA views it as that USC was attempting to clean up the mess as soon as they found out about it. :cool:

[jneesy]

Actually it does. The NCAA views it as that USC was attempting to clean up the mess as soon as they found out about it. :cool:

well that might be true but i will bet something will be added to your self imposed penalties either another year of reductions or more schollies or a bowl ban you will come to find out like bama did that anything you do after the fact to clean up the program really doesnt help in the end

[fernandomike]

This has not been a good summer at all for the league. I hope that things get straightened out soon and that the Cocks don't get hit too badly. The best football is played down here but with all the arrests, violations, lawsuits, suspensions, etc., we are destroying our reputation nationally. If this doesn't change, the SEC will be more often ridiculed than admired, and that is not something that we should wish on UT, Bama, USC or any other of our conference brethren.

[Neo]

well that might be true but i will bet something will be added to your self imposed penalties either another year of reductions or more schollies or a bowl ban you will come to find out like bama did that anything you do after the fact to clean up the program really doesnt help in the end



There is a difference.....

See, Bama commited infractions while UNDER PROBATION.

Comparing Bama's situation to USC's is like comparing aspirin to gummy bears. :cool:

[Cianne]

There is a difference.....

See, Bama commited infractions while UNDER PROBATION.

Comparing Bama's situation to USC's is like comparing aspirin to gummy bears. :cool:

Gummy bears are awesome

[fernandomike]

I do think that the lack of institutional control means that the penalties will be heavier than those USC proposes.

[Neo]

This has not been a good summer at all for the league.


Agreed! This is totally unacceptable and disgusting. :mad: I just wanna go out and.....


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[supergenius]

There is a difference.....

See, Bama commited infractions while UNDER PROBATION.

Comparing Bama's situation to USC's is like comparing aspirin to gummy bears. :cool:
You are a joke. You cheated!!!!!! You have ridiculed Bama fans on this board for months for being fans of a cheater school, well your time has come. LOIC!! Just a reminder, Bama was not found guilty of LOIC.

"A Gamecock fan preaching ethics---Priceless"

[Neo]

You are a joke. You cheated!!!!!! You have ridiculed Bama fans on this board for months for being fans of a cheater school, well your time has come. LOIC!! Just a reminder, Bama was not found guilty of LOIC.

"A Gamecock fan preaching ethics---Priceless"


A joke???


At least I'm owning up to our mistakes. Case in point....

Agreed! This is totally unacceptable and disgusting. :mad: I just wanna go out and.....
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/8518/image5pm.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

What everyone needs to realize is that USC broke the rules PERIOD! We deserve whatever punishment the NCAA decides to levy against us.

Personally, I think the NCAA will accept our recommendations for punishment without hesitation. For example;

#1 Steve Spurrier is known in the college football world as a man that runs a squeaky clean program.

#2 Everyone attached to those violations have either left or been fired.

#3 The last major violation commited by USC was back in 1967. The NCAA will take that into consideration.

Don't get me wrong, I am fully disgusted by this and we deserve every bit of it. It's just one more smear on USC's record and another "Question" on Holtz's resume. :mad:



Now please point out where Bama has accepted ANY blame for their mistakes? No! That's right, it's all TENNESSEE'S fault right? :rolleyes:

You're the joke and everyone knows it. :cool:

[GTmorris1970]

Agreed! This is totally unacceptable and disgusting. :mad: I just wanna go out and.....


http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/8518/image5pm.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

Neo, two questions. One, what is LOIC? Second, what does the lack of institutional control mean? That sounds pretty serious. Lastly, are all these violations just related to the football program. :mad:

[GTmorris1970]

You are a joke. You cheated!!!!!! You have ridiculed Bama fans on this board for months for being fans of a cheater school, well your time has come. LOIC!! Just a reminder, Bama was not found guilty of LOIC.

"A Gamecock fan preaching ethics---Priceless"

Real classy there Scooter........ :cool:

[Neo]

Neo, two questions. One, what is LOIC? Second, what does the lack of institutional control mean? That sounds pretty serious. Lastly, are all these violations just related to the football program. :mad:


LOIC = Lack of institutional control


If the NCAA finds us guilty of that one, then it is quite serious. It shows that the AD possibly tried to cover-up violations.

Yes they're limited to the football team. :cool:

[GTmorris1970]

LOIC = Lack of institutional control


If the NCAA finds us guilty of that one, then it is quite serious. It shows that the AD possibly tried to cover-up violations.

Yes they're limited to the football team. :cool:

Leave a bullet in that gun when your finished. :mad:

[supergenius]

Real classy there Scooter........ :cool:
You call what you guys have posted in regards to Alabama Football Classy?

[GTmorris1970]

You call what you guys have posted in regards to Alabama Football Classy?

Dude, I was just playin around. I posted earlier this evening that I thought the game between Carolina was going to be hard fought, and very close. :cool:

[Neo]

You call what you guys have posted in regards to Alabama Football Classy?



Like I said to your last post......

You are a joke. You cheated!!!!!! You have ridiculed Bama fans on this board for months for being fans of a cheater school, well your time has come. LOIC!! Just a reminder, Bama was not found guilty of LOIC.

"A Gamecock fan preaching ethics---Priceless"


A joke???


At least I'm owning up to our mistakes. Case in point....

Agreed! This is totally unacceptable and disgusting. :mad: I just wanna go out and.....
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/8518/image5pm.gif (http://www.imageshack.us)

What everyone needs to realize is that USC broke the rules PERIOD! We deserve whatever punishment the NCAA decides to levy against us.

Personally, I think the NCAA will accept our recommendations for punishment without hesitation. For example;

#1 Steve Spurrier is known in the college football world as a man that runs a squeaky clean program.

#2 Everyone attached to those violations have either left or been fired.

#3 The last major violation commited by USC was back in 1967. The NCAA will take that into consideration.

Don't get me wrong, I am fully disgusted by this and we deserve every bit of it. It's just one more smear on USC's record and another "Question" on Holtz's resume. :mad:



Now please point out where Bama has accepted ANY blame for their mistakes? No! That's right, it's all TENNESSEE'S fault right? :rolleyes:

You're the joke and everyone knows it. :cool:

[Neo]

Leave a bullet in that gun when your finished. :mad:


It's a Glock 31 (.357 sig)

There's 14 more when I'm finished or would you rather have the AR? :cool: :mad:

[Cianne]

Neo, two questions. One, what is LOIC? Second, what does the lack of institutional control mean? That sounds pretty serious. Lastly, are all these violations just related to the football program. :mad:

http://www.secsports.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=0&url_article_id=4020&change_well_id=2

The Committee on Infractions has cited numerous issues that may indicate an institution is lacking institutional control over its athletics program. According to the Committee on Infractions, a lack of institutional control may exist when an institution "fails to make clear, by its words and its actions, that those personnel who willfully violate NCAA rules, or who are grossly negligent in applying those rules, will be made subject to discharge."

So basically it sounds like they discovered what the Associate AD and Holtz and Governor Dude were doing and then didn't terminate the jobs of the AD and Holtz and did nothing about the Governor.

[GTmorris1970]

It's a Glock 31 (.357 sig)

There's 14 more when I'm finished or would you rather have the AR? :cool: :mad:

The Glock will do.....I am trying to be optimistic. Let's go ahead now, while we are cleaning house, and get ALL this behind us. It still makes me sick at my stomach. I am rapidly getting to where I do not even want to see a pic. of Lou Holtz. God I never thought I would say that. :mad:

[nooneLT]

aw come on neo, a lot of us Bama fans admitted we cheated and paid our dues for it. it's time for SC to pay theirs.

[GTmorris1970]

Is that going to hurt us? I mean, Lou was not fired. The AD had said it was his job as long as he wanted it. That does not look good from where I'm sitting. He is gone, yes, but by his own accord. Him and Mike both.

[Neo]

I am rapidly getting to where I do not even want to see a pic. of Lou Holtz.



Here ya go.... :mad:

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[Neo]

aw come on neo, a lot of us Bama fans admitted we cheated and paid our dues for it.


Not a lot. Just a few honest folks. I know who the ones were that accepted responsibility and the ones that played the "Blame Tennessee Game". :cool:

[GTmorris1970]

Here ya go.... :mad:

http://img32.imagevenue.com/loc290/th_80e_uga_usc11.jpeg (http://img32.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc290&image=80e_uga_usc11.jpeg)

What is he really saying there? "Darn it, they are going to catch me". :mad:

[supergenius]

Enjoy Andrew Sorenson!

[fernandomike]

Hiring Spurrier should help a bit, but not getting rid of Holtz and the others will definitely hurt. The fact that USC chose to levy relatively minor penalties against itself may mean that they feel that they have a pretty good response to the charges.

[supergenius]

Not a lot. Just a few honest folks. I know who the ones were that accepted responsibility and the ones that played the "Blame Tennessee Game". :cool:
No you do not, you just make it up as you go.

[GTmorris1970]

Enjoy Andrew Sorenson!

Your board is up top. It starts with an A. :cool:

[JerryBeeds]

I will take whatever ridicule comes along with these findings. We cheated, it sucks, and I can't wait for it to be over!!!!

[GTmorris1970]

I just hope Spurrier is not asking himself what he has done by taking the job. I really hate this for him. He asked for none of this. At least he is still smiling. If the punishment is harsh, anyone think he would ever resign?

[JerryBeeds]

I just hope Spurrier is not asking himself what he has done by taking the job. I really hate this for him. He asked for none of this. At least he is still smiling. If the punishment is harsh, anyone think he would ever resign?

No. He's got too much pride to resign. This does make me wonder how much McGee told him during the hiring process though...

[supergenius]

Your board is up top. It starts with an A. :cool:
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

[GTmorris1970]

I will take whatever ridicule comes along with these findings. We cheated, it sucks, and I can't wait for it to be over!!!!

That is what makes Carolina fans the best. We pack the stadium every week, whether 0-11 or 11-0, we believe in fair play, and we should speak out to let the University know how we feel about this crap tarnishing this university, and just when things were turning the corner for the best. :cool: :mad:

[GTmorris1970]

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Fair enough. There are much bigger issues going on here than what you think about it anyway. ;)

[supergenius]

That is what makes Carolina fans the best. We pack the stadium every week, whether 0-11 or 11-0, we believe in fair play, and we should speak out to let the University know how we feel about this crap tarnishing this university, and just when things were turning the corner for the best. :cool: :mad:
Well said Morris.

[GTmorris1970]

Well said Morris.

Thank you. :)

[Neo]

No you do not, you just make it up as you go.


Really????

ya i can't wait for the trial. gallion may not win, but he'll expose the NCAA.

That's just it. The NCAA's whole case was built on that. They never found any proof of what Logan Young did. No paper trail..nada!

IThe NCAA wanted to make an example out of a big name school and your coach and former SEC commissioner (Kramer) were all too eager to help.

That's what we're upset about.

UT should have gone down just as hard in this mess (they bid $75,000 for Means).

Arkansas bid $50,000 and offered Lang a coaching spot on Houston Nutt's staff!!

I'm a Bama fan, and very proud of it! Will wear my crimson & white til the day I die, can u say the same for ur team? I will admit too, that yes in the past Bama has made mistakes, but so has everyone else. At least when Bama is accused of NCAA violations we allow the NCAA to look at any & all records concerning said violations instead of sealing our records. Talk about looking guilty! If UcheaT wasn't doing anything wrong y try to cover it up?

U can not sit back and say that UcheaT is a 100% clean program. Phillip Fulmaer has performed just as many violations as anybody else, the difference is he is too busy lying to the NCAA about other programs in exchange for amnesty. Besides if he is so squeaky clean, y was he too chicken to show up at media days in B'ham just to avoid a subpeona that has gotten to him anyway? Beware, and forewarned, and last but certainly not least remember u come to Title-town in 2005. Or wait, are they just gonna cancel that game cause phat a$$ is still afraid even though the trial is set for June '05?

Can you prove that Albert Means was paid $200,000. I do not believe you can.



Case Closed.... :cool: Typical "Blame Tennessee Game".

[supergenius]

You can try and use the diversonn tactic all you want. Show me a post where I have blamed UT for anything concerning probation. YOU CHEATED!!

[Neo]

Here's a few more examples of the "Blame Tennessee Game". I wonder where all of this hatred came from??? :rolleyes: :cool:

Supergenius, ask and ye shall receive...

You could be correct but to say that Kramer favors Vandy or UT is just incorrect. Vandy was a job, UT is his passion. RTR

wont come off until UT serves some time

the only venom i ever see comes from the orange side of the fence

Phil Fulmer is my most hated coach lol

Tie: Fulmer and Fran. Maybe they will kill each other in the Cotton Bowl.

Im just saying both teams were guilty, among others.....what makes Tennessee any less guilty? The fact that they couldnt come up with the final amount that an Alabama Supporter came up with according to the NCAA.
If Fulmers bunch came up with say $5,000 more than Logan offered do you think Alabama would have went to the NCAA and cry about being outbid by tennessee for means services? I mean dont break the rules if your gonna cry about it when you lose. Alabama fans will tell you, a supporter screwed up, we know it, everyone knows it but have you ever heard a Tenn. fan own up to it? No all they do is go around blabbing about how we cheated. Ok the program was slightly dirty but it was Fulmers intricate knowledge of the dirty dealings that caused us to fall so hard. How did he know so much? Oh yeah It must be because he was in on the bidding.....atleast it was just a supporter going in for our side......heck the whole Tenn athletic dept was in on it....some of our coaches knew, but it wasnt the huge conspiracy that was Tenn. Id like to jus see all fans come out and go yeah you know my team is dirty ( according to the NCAA) but then again all the teams are dirty so who cares. I think the NCAA needs to reform not the so called rule benders. At any rate the point is if your going to cheat (Like Fulmer) dont complain when someone outcheats you.

[Cianne]

As Terrell Owens would say:

http://www.terrellowens.com/images/popcorn.gif

Because it's going to be a long night.

[supergenius]

That quote by me has nothing to do with Alabama's probation. Divert on neo

[supergenius]

Kramer is a ut season ticket holder you moron!!

[Neo]

That quote by me has nothing to do with Alabama's probation. Divert on neo


Oh okay... :rolleyes:

Not all of us went to the "Hellen Keller school of Tuscaloosa". What exactly were you trying to assert with this statement considering that the Tide faithful have long accused Kramer of setting Bama up?

You could be correct but to say that Kramer favors Vandy or UT is just incorrect. Vandy was a job, UT is his passion. RTR


By the way, watch the temper.... :cool:

[Dr. Pepper]

WISTV is reporting USC's recommendation for punishment:

July 13, 2005
WIS News 10 Sports

USC admits to 10 NCAA violations, five major


(Columbia) July 13, 2005 - South Carolina has admitted Wednesday to ten NCAA violations for the football program under Lou Holtz.

A report prepared by the NCAA enforcement staff and the university admits to five violations that are classified as major. The report has been forwarded to the NCAA's Committee on Infractions. That committee can accept, reject or modify the proposed penalties.

The school has proposed two years of probation, a reduction in paid campus visits for football recruits and a loss of two football scholarships.

The school found violations of NCAA rules occurred when prospective student-athletes were tutored when not allowed and some football players thought that off-season workouts from 1999 to 2002 were mandatory when they were supposed to be voluntary.

New Athletic Director Eric Hyman made it clear these mistakes won't be repeated, "I think the cornerstone of what we try to do in college athletics, we have a responsibility to the student athletes. The way I look at it is real simply either you do or you don't."

All of this is laid on the lap of Steve Spurrier. The coach issued a statement on Wednesday, "These matters occurred before my staff and I arrived in November. Hopefully, the NCAA will agree to the penalties which we are proposing, which I believe are fair, so that we can get this matter behind us."

Reported by Mark Quinn
Updated 6:41pm by BrettWitt with AP

[supergenius]

It speaks for itself, Vandy employed Kramer, that does not mean Kramer is a Vandy fan. Vanderbilt employs my wife but she is a VOL fan. You have pulled a quote out of context. That quote was a reply to a post that said that Kramer would favor Vandy over UT. You are a CHEATER

[Neo]

It speaks for itself, Vandy employed Kramer, that does not mean Kramer is a Vandy fan. Vanderbilt employs my wife but she is a VOL fan. You have pulled a quote out of context. That quote was a reply to a post that said that Kramer would favor Vandy over UT. You are a CHEATER



Yeah....sure....

I'm sure everyone can see through the smoke screen that you have devised. :cool:

[fernandomike]

I wish you would have revisited that thread about Kramer, Super. I was so looking forward to your response.

[nooneLT]

wait, i don't think you can blame sorensen for this one. he left alabama at the end of the spring '02 if i remember correctly. he may be the one to blame for our troubles, but not SC's.

and neo, i said expose tennessee, i didn't blame them for our problems.

[nooneLT]

heh and about kramer, his daughter is now working at UT as the assistant director of tickets ;)

[Neo]

neo, i said expose tennessee, i didn't blame them for our problems.


Expose them for what exactly?

Is it because Bama was busted and UT wasn't or is it because Fulmer snitched you out?

Either way, it's laying part of the blame with UT. :cool:

[supergenius]

I wish you would have revisited that thread about Kramer, Super. I was so looking forward to your response.
And? What is your point?

[JerryBeeds]

heh and about kramer, his daughter is now working at UT as the assistant director of tickets ;)
That's a conflict of interest if there ever was one. :cool:

[supergenius]

Expose them for what exactly?

Is it because Bama was busted and UT wasn't or is it because Fulmer snitched you out?

Either way, it's laying part of the blame with UT. :cool:
Is it that you cannot see the print or is it that you cannot read it?

[jneesy]

y'all are thinking too small this isnt UT vs the world the real battle is the world trying to destroy the sec

[JerryBeeds]

y'all are thinking too small this isnt UT vs the world the real battle is the world trying to destroy the sec
I hope your wrong, but I fear you are right....

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

We are going to get popped big-time I think. The "lack of institutional control" is the killer. We may lose bowl games and TV time over this.
Actually I hate to tell you this Beeds, no wait Im happy to tell you that they will never take away t.v. time again from a school it loses money for the NCAA, and of course we'll go to a bowl you think the NCAA is going to ban Steve Spurrier who will bring huge ratings and money to ESPN as well HELL NO!!!!!!! The days of BAMA type punishment as long over ;)

[JerryBeeds]

Actually I hate to tell you this Beeds, no wait Im happy to tell you that they will never take away t.v. time again from a school it loses money for the NCAA, and of course we'll go to a bowl you think the NCAA is going to ban Steve Spurrier who will bring huge ratings and money to ESPN as well HELL NO!!!!!!! The days of BAMA type punishment as long over ;)

Haha! I hope your right. I'm sweating it. I know the NCAA hates the state of SC because of the flag, so I'll wait and see I guess...

[IH8Orange]

There is a difference.....

See, Bama commited infractions while UNDER PROBATION.

Comparing Bama's situation to USC's is like comparing aspirin to gummy bears. :cool:

Hey Neo you're right, because SC commited infractions not under probation means that you guys are still cool. Dude, wtf come on man, you owe the Bama fans an apology for all your comments regarding Bama and cheating. You guys have 10! But hey, because it's SC there is an excuse, so let's hear it...

[supergenius]

Actually I hate to tell you this Beeds, no wait Im happy to tell you that they will never take away t.v. time again from a school it loses money for the NCAA, and of course we'll go to a bowl you think the NCAA is going to ban Steve Spurrier who will bring huge ratings and money to ESPN as well HELL NO!!!!!!! The days of BAMA type punishment as long over ;)
Taking away shollys from a program like carolina is like a bowl punishment. SC had trouble making a bowl with the full allowment of players, barring Lou's 2 good years. RTR

[OmahaBound]

Hey Neo you're right, because SC commited infractions not under probation means that you guys are still cool. Dude, wtf come on man, you owe the Bama fans an apology for all your comments regarding Bama and cheating. You guys have 10! But hey, because it's SC there is an excuse, so let's hear it...

i think this was his excuse...

Originally Posted by Neo

What everyone needs to realize is that USC broke the rules PERIOD! We deserve whatever punishment the NCAA decides to levy against us.

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

Taking away shollys from a program like carolina is like a bowl punishment. SC had trouble making a bowl with the full allowment of players, barring Lou's 2 good years. RTR
Yeah that same team that whooped your ass :cool:

[IH8Orange]

i think this was his excuse...

Originally Posted by Neo

And the apology from brutally attacking Bama is where?

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

Hey Neo you're right, because SC commited infractions not under probation means that you guys are still cool. Dude, wtf come on man, you owe the Bama fans an apology for all your comments regarding Bama and cheating. You guys have 10! But hey, because it's SC there is an excuse, so let's hear it...
I for one will never apologize to you or any other BAMA fan, hopefully NEO wont as well. You almost got put on the death penalty, the worst we'll get is a few scholarships and a slap on the wrist. This is really are first offense in like 30 or 40 years, you've done it for the last 30 or 40 years(NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!!) :cool:

[IH8Orange]

Hey man do you not find any of this ironic though? (Regarding this board)

[OmahaBound]

And the apology from brutally attacking Bama is where?

and why do you deserve an apology? you cheated....we cheated....we're cheaters. neither of us deserve any apologies.

[GTmorris1970]

Hey man do you not find any of this ironic though? (Regarding this board)

I sense trouble brewing right here!!!! :D :eek:

[supergenius]

Yeah that same team that whooped your ass :cool:
I forgot the bowl that u guys were in last year, ... Oh Yea, the THUG BOWL! It made all the papers. You guys CHEATED and still sucked!

[jneesy]

dream on y'all committed the big one "lack of institutional control" is as bad as it gets thats what got us hammered so hard the first time you wont get knocked as hard as us but it wont be a slap on the wrist either

[OmahaBound]

I forgot the bowl that u guys were in last year, ... Oh Yea, the THUG BOWL! It made all the papers. You guys CHEATED and still sucked!

but not as much as Bama apparently. why do you make it that easy for us?

[OmahaBound]

dream on y'all committed the big one "lack of institutional control" is as bad as it gets thats what got us hammered so hard the first time you wont get knocked as hard as us but it wont be a slap on the wrist either

agreed...i don't think there's any chance we'll get away with simply the proposed sanctions we offered. hopefully it won't be significantly more severe though. the definition of LOIC that was posted earlier seems hard to prove in our case....considering it was not reporting tutors helping kids that they shouldn't help....not an exchange of money or something like that. the fact that todd perry (or whatever his name is) was clearly trying to cover it all up is what's going to get us in the most trouble. but he was let go awhile ago, so i think our punishment won't be too insane either.

i would expect at least one more scholly to be removed for those 2 years and an addition of a couple years to the probation.

[supergenius]

but not as much as Bama apparently. why do you make it that easy for us?
UHHHH, OK- Ya got me there smart guy. I guess :confused:

[jneesy]

proof....ncaa wont trouble itself with any of that

[uscrebel]

i still think the ncaa is trying to destroy the sec

Neesy...

I think the problem is dual. The NCAA is not going to look the other way for the SEC. If our teams continue to "cheat" we will continue to get punished. Look what happened to the Southwest Conference when they couldn't control themselves.

I hate the NCAA, but I think that SEC need to get their heads out of the sand as well.

[Jordan]

Just to chime in with my 2-cents on all of this bickering in this thread...

This is exactly the kind of stuff I was mentioning with one of those first few posts I made when I started posting on here again a few weeks ago. Neo, I personally don't feel that it's "classy" (or appropriate, especially as an admin) to dig up old posts by Bama fans and throw them out on the table like that, as the only thing that will obviously do is stir up trouble among the members on here. A couple of those posts weren't even related to Bama's infractions. Heck, a couple of them were just people who didn't like Fulmer. You can't automatically assume that means they blame him for our being busted. There's plenty of Bama fans (including myself and some of my friends) that disliked Fulmer long before any of that stuff even made surface. But here, in this thread, you're using it as part of your arsenal to try and prove that our fans blame UT/Fulmer for our troubles.

Sure, there have been (and still are) Bama fans who feel that Fulmer is to blame, but I'm telling you if you go around campus and ask 1,000 students about it that a good 950 or so of them would agree that it was our own fault and we had to pay the price for it.

With that said about the "bad apples" in every school's fans, let me ask you guys/gals this:
If the investigation of all these findings at USC been started by a tip from, let's say Tommy Bowden, and you were hit extremely hard in terms of punishment.... do you not think there would be a good many USC fans (not all, but a good number) who would say that it was Bowden's fault? Sure, these fans wouldn't be right and many of you wouldn't agree with them. But they would still be USC fans, and would be representing your school by stating it was his mainly his fault that you got caught.

Every school has some bad apples, and opinions will vary widely among various fans of the same school concerning topics like this.

[supergenius]

Just to chime in with my 2-cents on all of this bickering in this thread...

This is exactly the kind of stuff I was mentioning with one of those first few posts I made when I started posting on here again a few weeks ago. Neo, I personally don't feel that it's "classy" (or appropriate, especially as an admin) to dig up old posts by Bama fans and throw them out on the table like that, as the only thing that will obviously do is stir up trouble among the members on here. A couple of those posts weren't even related to Bama's infractions. Heck, a couple of them were just people who didn't like Fulmer. You can't automatically assume that means they blame him for our being busted. There's plenty of Bama fans (including myself and some of my friends) that disliked Fulmer long before any of that stuff even made surface. But here, in this thread, you're using it as part of your arsenal to try and prove that our fans blame UT/Fulmer for our troubles.

Sure, there have been (and still are) Bama fans who feel that Fulmer is to blame, but I'm telling you if you go around campus and ask 1,000 students about it that a good 950 or so of them would agree that it was our own fault and we had to pay the price for it.

With that said about the "bad apples" in every school's fans, let me ask you guys/gals this:
If the investigation of all these findings at USC been started by a tip from, let's say Tommy Bowden, and you were hit extremely hard in terms of punishment.... do you not think there would be a good many USC fans (not all, but a good number) who would say that it was Bowden's fault? Sure, these fans wouldn't be right and many of you wouldn't agree with them. But they would still be USC fans, and would be representing your school by stating it was his mainly his fault that you got caught.

Every school has some bad apples, and opinions will vary widely among various fans of the same school concerning topics like this.

Excellent Post Jordan! You should be a mod. The only thing holding you back is your common sense and your team loyalty. RTR!

[jneesy]

i've said repeatedly on this board that i cant stand tennessee or fulmer and it has nothing whatsoever to do with our sanctions

i think its that creamsickle orange lord its terrible

[supergenius]

i've said repeatedly on this board that i cant stand tennessee or fulmer and it has nothing whatsoever to do with our sanctions

i think its that creamsickle orange lord its terrible
neo will hear nor read any of that!

[jneesy]

neo will hear nor read any of that!

oh but he has many......many times

and deep in that heart of his he knows it to be true ;)

[supergenius]

Do you hear the silence? Could it be that the little cocks have all gone to bed? Hush hush sweet Steve, probation is on the way!

[Jordan]

i've said repeatedly on this board that i cant stand tennessee or fulmer and it has nothing whatsoever to do with our sanctions

i think its that creamsickle orange lord its terrible
But, it does allow them to go hunting, go to the game, and pick up trash on the side of the road all in the same day without a change of clothes!

Hehe... sorry for going OT here. Just trying to lighten the mood a little. :D :p

[fernandomike]

But, it does allow them to go hunting, go to the game, and pick up trash on the side of the road all in the same day without a change of clothes!

Hehe... sorry for going OT here. Just trying to lighten the mood a little. :D :p

Jordan, is that you or have you morphed into jneesy or supergenius? :D

[jneesy]

nope one of my jokes wouldnt have been that clean

[fernandomike]

nope one of my jokes wouldnt have been that clean

There you go making me laugh again. :D

[supergenius]

Jordan, is that you or have you morphed into jneesy or supergenius? :D
That is with a CAPITAL S, thank you!

[Jordan]

Jordan, is that you or have you morphed into jneesy or supergenius? :D
Heh... nah. Just a little icebreaker to try and lighten the hostility in here. Nothing more than a little pre-season jabbing, all in good fun.... feel free to jab back anytime. :)

[CockyTatGuy]

This really does suck, I am gonna hear about this for a looooooong time now, as soon I walked into the break room today I heard "Big C, what is the great Spurrier gonna do now, yall are in big trouble." Of course it was my buddy, the biggest Clemson fan in the entire state of SC. I did get to wipe the smile off of his face for a little while when he said "Man ya'll might even lose to UCF this year" to which I replied "Yeah and ya'll might lose to Duke this year, oh, wait that was last year, sorry my bad." For some reason he didn't think that was as funny as I did.

But seriously, if we can avoid a major scholly loss like 10 less and avoid a loss of bowl eligibility I think we can pull through and still put a very good team on the field. Because we may not have Halejuah Holtz anymore, but now we got Steve the saviour (still gotta have that USC optimism).

[WayzUp]

And the apology from brutally attacking Bama is where?
I think Neo's already stated several times that he only called out the RTR crowd who made excuses and blamed UT/Fulmer instead of taking responsibility themselves for their program's misdeeds. That you feel you deserve an apology probably puts you among that crowd.

It's not the same, both schools focked up pretty bad and it's easy to point a finger at the partie(s) we feel are responsible for those acts but the difference is we Gamecock fans have pretty much to a person come out and stated just how disgusted and ashamed we are for this. Alabama, while already on probation, immediately started chanting "We were outbid, we weren't the only ones" (as if that made their 'mistakes' any less of a 'mistake') and that difference is pretty clear in catching up with this thread this morning.

I'll just reiterate that I am personally pissed off to no end that Lou Holtz, McGee and whoever else allowed and/or made these violations happen and am ready to hear what the NCAA's decision is. I hope they'll take Spurrier's recommendation plus another slap or two...it's no less than we deserve. BUT, I can say without any doubt that if this all would have come out while we were already on probation, I would absolutely say we deserve far worse than what Spurrier suggested; that we'd deserve what 'Bama got. But that also just is not the case. Put it this way, if my kid does something wrong that I just scolded him for ten minutes before, you can bet your ass he's going to get more than just a scolding the second time around. That's just how discipline works in my home...once, shame on you; twice, aw hell no. :D

[WayzUp]

dream on y'all committed the big one "lack of institutional control" is as bad as it gets thats what got us hammered so hard the first time you wont get knocked as hard as us but it wont be a slap on the wrist either
I agree neesy, I think we'll get hit with probation and something similar to what Spurrier suggested in terms of visits/scholly reductions but it won't be nearly as bad as some other Crimson Tide fans will want to see.

Seriously, I can almost hear the "Hey! No fair, they didn't get the death penalty like we did! NO FAIR" coming from Tuscaloosa now. I'm not saying the RTR peeps on this board will be saying that but you know a lot of others will. :(

and the whole time, Fulmer will be sitting on the pot, percolating his chili fries and grunting while reading the newspaper, grinning like the fox that just left the henhouse. ;)

[Jordan]

I agree neesy, I think we'll get hit with probation and something similar to what Spurrier suggested in terms of visits/scholly reductions but it won't be nearly as bad as some other Crimson Tide fans will want to see.

Seriously, I can almost hear the "Hey! No fair, they didn't get the death penalty like we did! NO FAIR" coming from Tuscaloosa now. I'm not saying the RTR peeps on this board will be saying that but you know a lot of others will. :(

and the whole time, Fulmer will be sitting on the pot, percolating his chili fries and grunting while reading the newspaper, grinning like the fox that just left the henhouse. ;)
I just don't think there will be many bad vibes coming from Tuscaloosa about this, as the main reason we got hit SOOOO hard is because we had already been on probation. I think SC will get hit good for it, but nowhere near as hard as us just due to this being your first series of violations in decades.

[Jordan]

Alabama, while already on probation, immediately started chanting "We were outbid, we weren't the only ones" (as if that made their 'mistakes' any less of a 'mistake') and that difference is pretty clear in catching up with this thread this morning.

But the majority of Bama fans didn't feel like this at the beginning of it all. The media played a HUGE part in altering the facts around to make everything point at Fulmer, and the media were the ones who basically all but pointed the finger at him saying it was his fault. Looking at American trends in general, once the media reports it on a large scale, most people for whatever reason tend to go along with it. Obviously, this isn't right.... but a lot of the blame for creation of the "blame Fulmer" Bama fans can be put on the media.

I think you guys will be fine though, as most of the stuff I've seen/read so far about the USC violations has put most of the blame on Holtz and the actual parties involved with the violations. With UA/UT being a pretty good rivalry most years, it was an easy target for the media to make a huge thing out of it. Heck, even last year in the pre-game on TV the commentators brought up what a big game it would be because of the "clash" between UA and UT over our sanctions.

[supergenius]

I agree neesy, I think we'll get hit with probation and something similar to what Spurrier suggested in terms of visits/scholly reductions but it won't be nearly as bad as some other Crimson Tide fans will want to see.

Seriously, I can almost hear the "Hey! No fair, they didn't get the death penalty like we did! NO FAIR" coming from Tuscaloosa now. I'm not saying the RTR peeps on this board will be saying that but you know a lot of others will. :(

and the whole time, Fulmer will be sitting on the pot, percolating his chili fries and grunting while reading the newspaper, grinning like the fox that just left the henhouse. ;)
My previous posts on the subject contained some hostilty that was meant for a few members not South Carolina. I hate that this has happened, it is bad for the school and the conference. What really sucks is that the guilty will not be punished while innocent bystanders pay the price. It is equivalent to the police arreesting a witness to a "drive by" while releasing the shooter. There will some who will revel in Carolina's misery but those people are small minded and just do not see the big picture. Bravo for DuBose, Holtz, and company. They caused or allowed our programs to be punished while laughing all the way to the bank. By the time the penalty shower rains the hardest, Granny Clampett will be dead.Depending on the severity of the punishment it will be years before Gamecock Football ceases to feel the ill-effects. Hopefully Spurrier and staff can cushion the blow with "quality, not quanity" recruiting. If nothing else Shula has proven that a program can still be competitive even when the sanctions hit the hardest. As for the SEC if it does not clean up it's act soon, dark days may be ahead. RTR

[WayzUp]

Hopefully Spurrier and staff can cushion the blow with "quality, not quanity" recruiting. If nothing else Shula has proven that a program can still be competitive even when the sanctions hit the hardest. As for the SEC if it does not clean up it's act soon, dark days may be ahead. RTR
You are absolutely correct, that is exactly what Spurrier is going to have to do. I think it's accurate to say Alabama is still a year or two away from being completely clear of the 'side effects' of their punishment. Their main weakness throughout hasn't been their first team talent...it's their lack of depth that's hurt the worst and that's a direct result of not being able to recruit. The other SEC schools recruiters definitely used that as a reason to NOT go to Alabama....and USC is going to see that too from Florida, Georgia and Tennessee along with any other school we'll be recruiting against. I'm sure Alabama will use it to their advantage and more power to them for it....like I've said before, it's no less than we deserve. But as a Gamecock fan, I have to hope we get off easier than we should. ;)

The one comfort I've been clinging to is teh fact that we'll have Steve Spurrier cleaning up the place and doing the rebuilding work. Whatever the punishment is, I think we'll be successful as long as Spurrier is at the helm. I can't think of any other coach who I'd rather see guide us through whatever punishment we get. :cool:

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

For those, like me, who may be interested in the timeline for when the NCAA will review USC's proposed penalties (and probably either accept, reject, or add to them), the web site below states:

USC spokesman Russ McKinney said the school has sent its findings and proposed penalties to the NCAA’s infractions committee, which is expected to review the report when it meets Aug. 12-14 in Indianapolis.

The committee can accept the findings, ask the school to impose additional penalties or require school officials to appear at an infractions hearing. USC’s proposed penalties do not call for TV or postseason bans. Instead, school officials have recommended the Gamecocks lose two scholarships in both 2006 and ’07 and reduce the number of official recruiting visits from 56 to 50 in each of the next two years.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/sports/colleges/university_of_south_carolina/12127862.htm

[jneesy]

the ncaa always hands out additional punishment
(unless you're ohio state)
i dont think it will be much but it will be more

[WayzUp]

the ncaa always hands out additional punishment
(unless you're ohio state)
i dont think it will be much but it will be more
If ever there is a case of LOIC, it's at Ohio State. There, I seriously don't think the right hand knows what the left is doing...if that's not LOIC, I don't know what is. :rolleyes:

[HSVTider]

For those, like me, who may be interested in the timeline for when the NCAA will review USC's proposed penalties (and probably either accept, reject, or add to them), the web site below states:

USC spokesman Russ McKinney said the school has sent its findings and proposed penalties to the NCAA’s infractions committee, which is expected to review the report when it meets Aug. 12-14 in Indianapolis.

The committee can accept the findings, ask the school to impose additional penalties or require school officials to appear at an infractions hearing. USC’s proposed penalties do not call for TV or postseason bans. Instead, school officials have recommended the Gamecocks lose two scholarships in both 2006 and ’07 and reduce the number of official recruiting visits from 56 to 50 in each of the next two years.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/sports/colleges/university_of_south_carolina/12127862.htm

From what I've read on some other boards, a lot of South Carolina folks think that Fulmer is behind it because of stud running back you guys stole from him. Now whether or not that is true, I have no idea.

However, you can bet your butt that with a LOIC charge, you guys are going to have to go in front of the infractions committee and that sucks.

Welcome to the world of not knowing for sure what you did or who's accusing you of it. Its a world where most of the Bill of Rights doesn't apply and sucks a big fat one.

One other thing, your school president (Andrew Sorenson) has a track record of wherever he goes the NCAA follows. He's been described by folks at Bama (that was his previous stop before South Carolina) as wanting Academics to
be first to everyone at the University (which it should be..but won't ever be) and athletics to be about fifth on the priorities list (the best he should hope for is academics 1st and athletics a close 2nd at an SEC school and that's not good enough for him).

JMHOs

[pc72687]

I have also heard that Fulmer is behind this latest investigation because we got Derek Watson and he wanted him. But whether this is true or not I really don't care. Because there are so many more infractions that it really makes little sense to blame Fulmer if it is true.

I really hope that the NCAA goes easy on SC. I read the full report and on every charge the NCAA investigation panel stated that SC gave its full and undying honesty and help on the investigation. Even the guilty parties. Also everyone involved coaches, ADs, and players (Watson, Weaver, Donnings), none of them are on campus anymore so punishing SC would be punishing none of the ones actually involved. So SC will take some punishment for being bad, but hopefully the NCAA will do something right for once in its gluttonous existence.

All hail Spurrier!

[BeeDee]

Link to the Fark Lou Holtz topic... (http://www.sectalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=4983)

[BeeDee]

My question is: Will Spurrier stick around in Columbia long enough to ride out NCAA sanctions? If the LOIC charge is substantiated and there are stiff penalties, lasting years - will he stick it out?

[supergenius]

My question is: Will Spurrier stick around in Columbia long enough to ride out NCAA sanctions? If the LOIC charge is substantiated and there are stiff penalties, lasting years - will he stick it out?
Another question: How honest was Carolina's admin with Spurrier in regards to the investigation?

[Tydefan]

I have also heard that Fulmer is behind this latest investigation because we got Derek Watson and he wanted him. But whether this is true or not I really don't care. Because there are so many more infractions that it really makes little sense to blame Fulmer if it is true.

I really hope that the NCAA goes easy on SC. I read the full report and on every charge the NCAA investigation panel stated that SC gave its full and undying honesty and help on the investigation. Even the guilty parties. Also everyone involved coaches, ADs, and players (Watson, Weaver, Donnings), none of them are on campus anymore so punishing SC would be punishing none of the ones actually involved. So SC will take some punishment for being bad, but hopefully the NCAA will do something right for once in its gluttonous existence.

All hail Spurrier!
Surely you are not that naive to think that just because the offenders are not at the school any longer that the NCAA really cares. Auburn got rid of Coach Dye, it didn't matter. I think Ole Miss cleaned house, it didn't matter. Alabama got rid of Dubose and company, it didn't matter.

[Volnooga]

A lot of fans on Digital Roost are starting to point fingers at Fulmer over this.

Not to the extreme that BamaOnline and Bama Mag are though...

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

A lot of fans on Digital Roost are starting to point fingers at Fulmer over this.

Not to the extreme that BamaOnline and Bama Mag are though...
Whether Fulmer had a part in this (i.e., pointing the NCAA to SC) is a mute point IMO. We got caught, now we have to own up to it and live with the consequences. However, with that being said, if Fulmer is in fact making it his responsibility to point the NCAA to any school he so chooses simply because he loses a recruit, etc. (and the NCAA jumps when he says), I'm sure many schools will say that turnabout is fair play. That would not be a reputation I would want as a head coach. Again, I'm not saying that is the case in our situation, as I don't know. In any case, we (Holtz and the administration) screwed up, and we have no one to blame but ourselves.

[WayzUp]

A lot of fans on Digital Roost are starting to point fingers at Fulmer over this.

Not to the extreme that BamaOnline and Bama Mag are though...
"Displacement is the redirecting of thoughts feelings and impulses from an object that gives rise to anxiety to a safer, more acceptable one. Being angry at the boss and kicking the dog can be an example of displacement."

They teach that in Abnormal Psych 101, i believe. :rolleyes: It ain't Phil's fault that Lou & McGee didn't keep their house clean, so to speak.

[GeauxTo]

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Both the NCAA and the FBI are looking into e-mail traffic between Tennessee Coach Philip Fulmer and ex-South Carolina Coach Lou Holtz. Seems there was a conspiracy afoot. Meanwhile, ex-Alabama non-Coach, Mike Price, was quoted as saying, "Nope, Lou had nothing to do with it. He was with me at Hooter's."
:p

[nooneLT]

you sure it wasn't at a strip club?

[RW13]

It's rolling baby! This is the darkest period ever for being a gamecock in my opinion. Even when we were 0-11 we were the good guys at least. Now we are no better than Clemson, Alabama, UK, Auburn, Miss State, UT, UF, UGA, LSU, Ark. We are just as disgusting and criminal as those programs. I guess now we have to win like them if we are going to cheat like them. I am ashamed of being a gamecock fan right now. I would rather have been 0-11 and not had the offseason we have had then have to events of the past 9 months transpire. Now we're nothing more than another dirty, criminal SEC program (sans Vandy) but one with no championships, how pathetic....

[GeauxTo]

It's rolling baby! This is the darkest period ever for being a gamecock in my opinion. Even when we were 0-11 we were the good guys at least. Now we are no better than Clemson, Alabama, UK, Auburn, Miss State, UT, UF, UGA, LSU, Ark. We are just as disgusting and criminal as those programs. I guess now we have to win like them if we are going to cheat like them. I am ashamed of being a gamecock fan right now. I would rather have been 0-11 and not had the offseason we have had then have to events of the past 9 months transpire. Now we're nothing more than another dirty, criminal SEC program (sans Vandy) but one with no championships, how pathetic....
Now RW... you know that the Bayou is as clean and pure as the blowing snow.
:D

[bleedsgarnet]

all i get from all these posts makes one thing extremely clear...i dislike bama even more. pugnacious bastads...i cant wait to kick your elephant asses all over willy b..

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

all i get from all these posts makes one thing extremely clear...i dislike bama even more. pugnacious bastads...i cant wait to kick your elephant asses all over willy b..
Go ahead and let it out. Tell us what you really think about the Bama fans on here? ;)

[scfan5338]

Fulmer should still die. That darn bastard. I mean I know its not right to cheat but I have never liked Tennessee and now that this came out I hate them even more.

[scfan5338]

I hate those damn Bama fans as well. Damn bastards. I really want to beat them this year. I dont see how some polls have them ranked No. 25 thats a bunch of bull sh!t. They haven't proved anything. They are basically like South Carolina except they know which QB they are going to start. They have a good defense like USC and ok offense like USC. There is no way they should be ranked No. 25. Heck rank Clemson at 25 I mean they have proven more than Bama. They beat some good teams last year, like Miami.

[jneesy]

all i get from all these posts makes one thing extremely clear...i dislike bama even more. pugnacious bastads...i cant wait to kick your elephant asses all over willy b..

then you're really gonna be upset sunday the 18th :D

[WayzUp]

then you're really gonna be upset sunday the 18th :D
Yah, I know I'll feel a little guilty, myself. But that's ok, i'll send Croyle a Get Well Soon card and that'll make me feel better. :D

I'd even splurge and get one from Hallmark but that might be against NCAA regulations.
:D

[Neo]

Neo, I personally don't feel that it's "classy" (or appropriate, especially as an admin) to dig up old posts by Bama fans and throw them out on the table like that, as the only thing that will obviously do is stir up trouble among the members on here.


What does class have to do anything with that? If you don't mean to say it, don't post it. Once you post something, then it becomes public domain. All that I was trying to show is the double standard that some posters have shown.

Here, speaking for myself I feel ashamed and yet deserving of whatever penalty the NCAA has in store for us. Can a few select Tiders say the same? Nope! It's all about that they were set-up and that it's all Fulmer's fault. :cool:

[crimsonswamp]

to all you cock fans bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha hahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahhahahahhaha go BAMA ROLLLLLLLTIDEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dudeman0501]

Alright, I'm closing this thread. It's gone from USC's infractions to Bama vs. Fulmer.

These Bama and UT flame posts have to stop. Now.