Blue Ribbon Conference Predictions

[Cianne]

SEC


Eastern Division
1. Tennessee
2. Florida
3. Georgia
4. South Carolina
5. Vanderbilt
6. Kentucky


Western Division
1. LSU
2. Auburn
3. Alabama
4. Ole Miss
5. Arkansas
6. Mississippi State


All-SEC Team


Offense
WR: Courtney Taylor, Auburn
WR: Skyler Green, LSU
OL: Max Jean-Gilles, Georgia
OL: Marcus McNeill, Auburn
OL: Mike Degory, Florida
OL: Andrew Whitworth, LSU
OL: Arron Sears, Tennessee
QB: Chris Leak, Florida
RB: Kenneth Darby, Alabama
RB: Jerious Norwood, Mississippi State
TE: Leonard Pope, Georgia


Defense
DL: Parys Haralson, Tennessee
DL: Kyle Williams, LSU
DL: Jesse Mahelona, Tennessee
DL: Jeremy Mincey, Florida
LB: Patrick Willis, Ole Miss
LB: Moses Osemwegie, Vanderbilt
LB: Demeco Ryans, Alabama
DB: LaRon Landry, LSU
DB: Jarvis Herring, Florida
DB: Fred Bennett, South Carolina
DB: Ko Simpson, South Carolina
Specialists
K: John Vaughn, Auburn
KR: Tyrone Prothro, Alabama
P: Kody Bliss, Auburn
PR: Thomas Flowers, Georgia


Offensive Player of the Year
Chris Leak, QB, Florida


Defensive Player of the Year
Jesse Mahelona, DL, Tennessee


Newcomer of the Year
Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn

[GatorNation]

SEC ...

Looks pretty standard. I was surprised to see Mincey at DL for the all-SEC team....and equally surprised not to see Siler or Webb on the list.

Overall, pretty good though.

[OmahaBound]

looks fair enough to me....though the Bama fans are going to go crazy that their DBs didn't make the list.

[Djshockley3]

looks fair enough to me....though the Bama fans are going to go crazy that their DBs didn't make the list.


Yeah,but they deserved to make the list,bama's DB's are really good.

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

Im surprised Fred Bennett made the list but he deserved it though hes greatly underrated since he plays with KO. And I dont think Kenny Irons will be newcomer of the year he been overrated in that aspect, Ive seen what he can do and its not that great, Ryan Perr-whatever from LSU will win that!

[fernandomike]

Nice job, Cianne. Though, I do hope that Riggs and Allen make your post season list.

[HSVTider]

Nice job, Cianne. Though, I do hope that Riggs and Allen make your post season list.

I think Allen will be a good pro, but he doesn't exactly have much help back there in the UT secondary. Its pretty hard for one guy to play all four positions back there and I think that the possibility of UT's secondary, as whole, turning in some really awful numbers at year end is hurting Jason Allen.

JMHO

And another thing, it seems that Blue Ribbon didn't even stray from the consus pick on the teams. It looks pretty much straight cookie cutter from most of the other media and "expert" predictions.

[HSVTider]

Yeah,but they deserved to make the list,bama's DB's are really good.

I can't believe Roman Harper didn't make it. The others I can understand, but he was a Playboy selection this year.

Strange. I also thought that Wallace Gilberry at defensive end should have been on there, but he probalby will be on the first or second team at year end.

[Cianne]

Nice job, Cianne. Though, I do hope that Riggs and Allen make your post season list.

This isn't my list. It's from Blue Ribbon. I thought it was interesting myself that Riggs didn't get a preseason nod at RB but Norwood has earned the spot too seeing as how he's the only player worth actually giving the ball in Starkville.

[fernandomike]

I think Allen will be a good pro, but he doesn't exactly have much help back there in the UT secondary. Its pretty hard for one guy to play all four positions back there and I think that the possibility of UT's secondary, as whole, turning in some really awful numbers at year end is hurting Jason Allen.

JMHO

I think that you will be surprised this year. Our secondary will be greatly improved. Antwan Stewart returns after missing last season and he is a solid player and looks like one of the starters at safety. Jonathon Hefney and Roshan Fellows were very talented true freshmen who will know what they are doing this time around. Allen should be strong on his side. We recruited wonderfully in the secondary. My gut tells me our offense will be special.
I think that the true weakness of UT is depth on the offensive line. Lineman limp off the field. That is just the way it goes. If that happens more than a few times, we are in trouble. As you know, everything that we do offensively is predicated on the power run game.

[GoBigO]

I'll take that prediction and buy a ticket to Atlanta, please. :)

[WDavE]

I don't have a problem with they're prediction part..


I do have a few problems with their All-SEC selections.

Somehow they left off Travis Williams LB
2004: Coaches’ All-SEC First-Team ... Associated Press All-SEC First-Team ...


and


Tommy Jackson DT
was just nominated for the Outland watch list and was a memeber of the 2004 Associated Press All-SEC First-Team

As a junior, Jackson made 51 tackles, with seven for losses, while starting all 13 games for the unbeaten Tigers. Jackson has also been nominated for the Chuck Bednarik Award Watch List. That award is presented to the nation's outstanding Defensive Player of the Year.

Both players haven't digressed in ability to my knowledge......

[Cianne]

I don't have a problem with they're prediction part..


I do have a few problems with their All-SEC selections.

Somehow they left off Travis Williams LB
2004: Coaches’ All-SEC First-Team ... Associated Press All-SEC First-Team ...


and


Tommy Jackson DT
was just nominated for the Outland watch list and was a memeber of the 2004 Associated Press All-SEC First-Team

As a junior, Jackson made 51 tackles, with seven for losses, while starting all 13 games for the unbeaten Tigers. Jackson has also been nominated for the Chuck Bednarik Award Watch List. That award is presented to the nation's outstanding Defensive Player of the Year.

Both players haven't digressed in ability to my knowledge......

The All-SEC predictions aren't that far off. Willis of course wouldn't make a pre-season list since he didn't start last year but was third on the team in tackles and first in TFLs. Deserving people always miss out but that's just because the SEC has so many high quality players, ie Riggs not making it at RB, nobody from the Bama secondary, or just about any SEC WR.

[GeauxTo]

The All-SEC predictions aren't that far off. Willis of course wouldn't make a pre-season list since he didn't start last year but was third on the team in tackles and first in TFLs. Deserving people always miss out but that's just because the SEC has so many high quality players, ie Riggs not making it at RB, nobody from the Bama secondary, or just about any SEC WR.
You're right good people get left off. I think, for example, that Riggs, Broussard, and Addai are all better RBs than Darby and/or Norwood. And LSU's Claude Wroten is undoubtedly one of the best DTs in the SEC. Se la vie...
;)

[WDavE]

I don't know if these have been seen before but here are the CFN SEC selections....

FIRST TEAM (OL is regardless of position)
Offense
QB - Chris Leak, Jr., Florida
RB - Jerious Norwood, Sr., Mississippi State
RB - Gerald Riggs Jr., Sr., Tennessee
WR - Dallas Baker, Sr., Florida
WR - Courtney Taylor, Jr., Auburn
TE - Leonard Pope, Jr., Georgia
OL - Mike Degory, Sr., Florida
OL - Max Jean-Gilles, Sr., Georgia
OL - Marcus McNeill, Sr. , Auburn
OL - Tre Stallings, Sr., Ole Miss
OL - Andrew Whitworth, Sr., LSU

Defense
DL - Jesse Mahelona, Sr., Tennessee
DL - Stanley McClover, Soph., Auburn
DL - Kyle Williams, Sr., LSU
DL - Claude Wroten, Sr., LSU
LB - Moses Osemwegie, Sr., Vanderbilt
LB - Kevin Simon, Sr., Tennessee
LB - Travis Williams, Sr., Auburn
DB - Jason Allen, Sr., Tennessee
DB - LaRon Landry, Jr., LSU
DB - Ko Simpson, Soph., South Carolina
DB - Demetrice Webb, Jr., Florida

Special Teams
PK – John Vaughn, Jr., Auburn
P - Kody Bliss, Jr., Auburn
KR – Tyrone Prothro, Jr., Alabama
PR – Thomas Flowers, Soph., Georgia
SECOND TEAM
Offense (OL is regardless of position)
QB - Jay Cutler, Sr., Vanderbilt
RB - Ken Darby, Jr., Alabama
RB - Danny Ware, Soph., Georgia
WR - Robert Meacham, Soph., Tennessee
WR - Marcus Monk, Soph., Arkansas
TE – David Jones, Sr., LSU
OL – Cody Douglas, Sr., Tennessee
OL – Randy Hand, Sr., Florida
OL - Jabari Levey, Sr., South Carolina
OL – Nate Livings, Sr. LSU
OL – Kyle Roper, Sr., Arkansas

Defense
DL - Willie Evans, Sr., Mississippi State
DL - Kedric Golston, Sr., Georgia
DL - Parys Haralson, Sr., Tennessee
DL - Tommy Jackson, Sr., Auburn
LB - Omar Gaither, Sr., Tennessee
LB - DeMeco Ryans, Sr., Alabama
LB - Patrick Willis, Jr., Ole Miss
DB - Muhammad Abdullah, Sr., Kentucky
DB - Greg Blue, Sr., Georgia
DB - Fred Bennett, Jr., South Carolina
DB - Tim Jennings, Sr., Georgia

Special Teams
PK – Josh Brown, Sr., South Carolina
P – Eric Wilbur, Jr., Florida
KR/PR – Skyler Green, Sr., LSU

[GeauxTo]

I don't know if these have been seen before but here are the CFN SEC selections....
I think I like this one better. Still doesn't include Broussard or Addai, though. They are awesome. We'll just have to see how it pans out when the season gets underway.
;)

[Cianne]

An interview with Blue Ribbon Newcomer of the Year, Kenny Irons

http://www.auburntigers.com/football/page.cfm?doc_id=9706

It's even better if you read it in a Mitch Hepburn voice.

[uscrebel]

From the interview with Irons

Q: Where do you see yourself in 10 years?

A: “In ten years from now I see myself being on the beach just lounging. I just want to lounge around in a nice beach house and I will have a four-wheeler on the beach so I can drive around. I just want to be able to hang around and have fun. I also see my traveling around the world. I want to go to little islands that are just out there somewhere far and I would also like to go to Europe. I’ve never been to Europe or Paris. I want to go somewhere like Fiji or Tahiti.”

Do you suppose someone should tell him that Paris is in Europe?

sigh

Everytime I read one of these athlete interviews, I have reconfirmed for myself the reason that so many selfish and stupid things are perpetrated by athletes.

[Cianne]

The other ones with Travis Williams aren't nearly as, shall we say, unintelligent.

[supergenius]

I don't know if these have been seen before but here are the CFN SEC selections....

FIRST TEAM (OL is regardless of position)
Offense
QB - Chris Leak, Jr., Florida
RB - Jerious Norwood, Sr., Mississippi State
RB - Gerald Riggs Jr., Sr., Tennessee
WR - Dallas Baker, Sr., Florida
WR - Courtney Taylor, Jr., Auburn
TE - Leonard Pope, Jr., Georgia
OL - Mike Degory, Sr., Florida
OL - Max Jean-Gilles, Sr., Georgia
OL - Marcus McNeill, Sr. , Auburn
OL - Tre Stallings, Sr., Ole Miss
OL - Andrew Whitworth, Sr., LSU

Defense
DL - Jesse Mahelona, Sr., Tennessee
DL - Stanley McClover, Soph., Auburn
DL - Kyle Williams, Sr., LSU
DL - Claude Wroten, Sr., LSU
LB - Moses Osemwegie, Sr., Vanderbilt
LB - Kevin Simon, Sr., Tennessee
LB - Travis Williams, Sr., Auburn
DB - Jason Allen, Sr., Tennessee
DB - LaRon Landry, Jr., LSU
DB - Ko Simpson, Soph., South Carolina
DB - Demetrice Webb, Jr., Florida

Special Teams
PK – John Vaughn, Jr., Auburn
P - Kody Bliss, Jr., Auburn
KR – Tyrone Prothro, Jr., Alabama
PR – Thomas Flowers, Soph., Georgia
SECOND TEAM
Offense (OL is regardless of position)
QB - Jay Cutler, Sr., Vanderbilt
RB - Ken Darby, Jr., Alabama
RB - Danny Ware, Soph., Georgia
WR - Robert Meacham, Soph., Tennessee
WR - Marcus Monk, Soph., Arkansas
TE – David Jones, Sr., LSU
OL – Cody Douglas, Sr., Tennessee
OL – Randy Hand, Sr., Florida
OL - Jabari Levey, Sr., South Carolina
OL – Nate Livings, Sr. LSU
OL – Kyle Roper, Sr., Arkansas

Defense
DL - Willie Evans, Sr., Mississippi State
DL - Kedric Golston, Sr., Georgia
DL - Parys Haralson, Sr., Tennessee
DL - Tommy Jackson, Sr., Auburn
LB - Omar Gaither, Sr., Tennessee
LB - DeMeco Ryans, Sr., Alabama
LB - Patrick Willis, Jr., Ole Miss
DB - Muhammad Abdullah, Sr., Kentucky
DB - Greg Blue, Sr., Georgia
DB - Fred Bennett, Jr., South Carolina
DB - Tim Jennings, Sr., Georgia

Special Teams
PK – Josh Brown, Sr., South Carolina
P – Eric Wilbur, Jr., Florida
KR/PR – Skyler Green, Sr., LSU

Excluding Demeco Ryans from the 1st team and Charlie Preprah and Roman Harper period is a joke. But that is just my opinion. RTR

[WDavE]

An interview with Blue Ribbon Newcomer of the Year, Kenny Irons

http://www.auburntigers.com/football/page.cfm?doc_id=9706

It's even better if you read it in a Mitch Hepburn voice.


Do you know the context of that interview and it's location?
Anyone that thinks Kenny was being completely serious and that the interview is indicative of Kenny's intelligence is embarrassing themselves.


They did these on the jumbotron where each player was clearly trying to outdo the other by saying something outrageous? It was all in fun... Some of the others were just as goofy. You might try letting your players do such interviews. It might keep some off the streets and out of trouble. As a bonus, ask some of your coaches to do the same.

[HSVTider]

You're right good people get left off. I think, for example, that Riggs, Broussard, and Addai are all better RBs than Darby and/or Norwood. And LSU's Claude Wroten is undoubtedly one of the best DTs in the SEC. Se la vie...
;)

You're crazy..Darby is a way better back than any that LSU has. He still ran for over 1000 yards against 8 and 9 in the box everytime (Hudson was still the starter after Croyle went down and we became a 95% run team).

Now don't get me wrong, would I trade Bama's backfield for LSU's..no doubt. You've got 5 experienced backs..we've got three.

[WDavE]

You still need to be concerned about Darby.....

This is part of a quote from him in an article in B'ham News.

Quote:
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Darby, a junior tailback who led the Tide with 1,062 rushing yards in 2004, admitted he still gets sore occasionally following the March 3 surgery to repair what's called a "sports hernia," in which muscle tears away from the pelvic bone. He also said he hasn't tried his "shaking moves" or had a chance to take part in any contact drills but feels good and ready to try.
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[supergenius]

You still need to be concerned about Darby.....

This is part of a quote from him in an article in B'ham News.

Quote:
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Darby, a junior tailback who led the Tide with 1,062 rushing yards in 2004, admitted he still gets sore occasionally following the March 3 surgery to repair what's called a "sports hernia," in which muscle tears away from the pelvic bone. He also said he hasn't tried his "shaking moves" or had a chance to take part in any contact drills but feels good and ready to try.
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Darby Update: He has added 20 lbs of muscle to his frame with no loss in quickness and has strengthed his abs in an effort to withstand the pressure that his cutting style produces. As of yesterday he claims to 95% ready. RTR

[WDavE]

Not to flame, but even he doesn't know at this point how it is going to feel when he gets hit.....

The mental part of contact will be a concern for awhile.

[BeeDee]

You're crazy..Darby is a way better back than any that LSU has. Kenneth Darby (UA)
253 carries, 1247 yards, 4.9 yards/carry, 8 tds
18 receptions, 78 yards, 4.3 yards/catch, 1 td

Total 1325 yards, 9 tds

Alley Broussard (LSU)
227 carries, 1256 yards, 5.5 yards.carry, 15 tds
2 receptions, 15 yards, 7.5 yards/catch, 0 tds

Total: 1271 yards, 15 tds

Joseph Addai (LSU)
215 carries, 1200 yards, 5.6 yards/carry, 5 tds
40 receptions, 380 yards, 9.5 yards/catch, 5 tds

Total 1580 yards, 10 tds

Justin Vincent (LSU)
230 carries, 1323 yards, 5.75 yards/carry, 12 tds
13 receptions, 120 yards, 9.2 yards/carry, 0 tds

Total 1443 yards, 12 tds


The numbers don't lie. What size straightjacket do you wear?

Sources (links):

Darby (http://www.rolltide.com/football/5723.asp) LSU (http://lsu.rivals.com/playerstats.asp?SID=886&TEAM=LSU&Year=2004) (2004) & LSU (2003) (http://lsu.rivals.com/playerstats.asp?SID=886&TEAM=LSU&Year=2003)

[supergenius]

Not to flame, but even he doesn't know at this point how it is going to feel when he gets hit.....

The mental part of contact will be a concern for awhile.
Oh I totally agree!

[supergenius]

Kenneth Darby (UA)
253 carries, 1247 yards, 4.9 yards/carry, 8 tds
18 receptions, 78 yards, 4.3 yards/catch, 1 td

Total 1325 yards, 9 tds

Alley Broussard (LSU)
227 carries, 1256 yards, 5.5 yards.carry, 15 tds
2 receptions, 15 yards, 7.5 yards/catch, 0 tds

Total: 1271 yards, 15 tds

Joseph Addai (LSU)
215 carries, 1200 yards, 5.6 yards/carry, 5 tds
40 receptions, 380 yards, 9.5 yards/catch, 5 tds

Total 1580 yards, 10 tds

Justin Vincent (LSU)
230 carries, 1323 yards, 5.75 yards/carry, 12 tds
13 receptions, 120 yards, 9.2 yards/carry, 0 tds

Total 1443 yards, 12 tds


The numbers don't lie. What size straightjacket do you wear?

Sources (links):

Darby (http://www.rolltide.com/football/5723.asp) LSU (http://lsu.rivals.com/playerstats.asp?SID=886&TEAM=LSU&Year=2004) (2004) & LSU (2003) (http://lsu.rivals.com/playerstats.asp?SID=886&TEAM=LSU&Year=2003)





As usual you are a little over the top. Darby's ypc was affected somewhat by the late season injury. Is he "way better" than the LSU backs? No! Few in the country could boast that claim, but to suggest that HSV needs a staight jacket is extreme. Darby is a Very GOOD back. RTR

[nooneLT]

As usual you are a little over the top. Darby's ypc was affected somewhat by the late season injury. Is he "way better" than the LSU backs? No! Few in the country could boast that claim, but to suggest that HSV needs a staight jacket is extreme. Darby is a Very GOOD back. RTR

and also the fact that he was facing defenses to stop the run.

[HSVTider]

Kenneth Darby (UA)
253 carries, 1247 yards, 4.9 yards/carry, 8 tds
18 receptions, 78 yards, 4.3 yards/catch, 1 td

Total 1325 yards, 9 tds

Alley Broussard (LSU)
227 carries, 1256 yards, 5.5 yards.carry, 15 tds
2 receptions, 15 yards, 7.5 yards/catch, 0 tds

Total: 1271 yards, 15 tds

Joseph Addai (LSU)
215 carries, 1200 yards, 5.6 yards/carry, 5 tds
40 receptions, 380 yards, 9.5 yards/catch, 5 tds

Total 1580 yards, 10 tds

Justin Vincent (LSU)
230 carries, 1323 yards, 5.75 yards/carry, 12 tds
13 receptions, 120 yards, 9.2 yards/carry, 0 tds

Total 1443 yards, 12 tds


The numbers don't lie. What size straightjacket do you wear?

Sources (links):

Darby (http://www.rolltide.com/football/5723.asp) LSU (http://lsu.rivals.com/playerstats.asp?SID=886&TEAM=LSU&Year=2004) (2004) & LSU (2003) (http://lsu.rivals.com/playerstats.asp?SID=886&TEAM=LSU&Year=2003)





Hmm..I know LSU had more of a passing game than Bama did last year..did they not? Did all of LSU's opponents have 9 guys committed to the run on pretty much every play? Bama's did.

I don't think what I said can be contradicted by a stat.

Oh and thanks for taking what I said out of context. It amazes me how you're always out to try and belittle someone when they "claim" something.

Do you feel insecure about something?

[HSVTider]

Not to flame, but even he doesn't know at this point how it is going to feel when he gets hit.....

The mental part of contact will be a concern for awhile.

Good point, but I think he'll be fine. After he gets one good shot from Ryans, Roach, or Harper in fall practice he'll be stunned, then he'll realize that he's fine he'll hop right back up and be good to go. Its always that first hit that's scariest coming off of injury, with each passing contact the fear lessens.

[BeeDee]

As usual you are a little over the top. Darby's ypc was affected somewhat by the late season injury. and also the fact that he was facing defenses to stop the run.Hmm..I know LSU had more of a passing game than Bama did last year..did they not? Did all of LSU's opponents have 9 guys committed to the run on pretty much every play? Bama's did.

I don't think what I said can be contradicted by a stat.Sounds like more excuses to me. Is it Phat Phil's fault that Darby didn't score as many TDs or run for as many yards or average as many yards/carry as LSU's guys? Is there some sort of NCAA conspiracy afoot? What's that I hear? Black helicopters circling?

You all conveniently ignore the fact that those stats are split between 3 backs. 3 backs on LSU's team simultaneously outran and outscored Darby. Sure, Darby's a very good back, no one's disputing that, but to say that he's better than any one of LSU's backs is simply untrue. There are three on LSU's team that have proven otherwise.

[HSVTider]

Sounds like more excuses to me. Is it Phat Phil's fault that Darby didn't score as many TDs or run for as many yards or average as many yards/carry as LSU's guys? Is there some sort of NCAA conspiracy afoot? What's that I hear? Black helicopters circling?

You all conveniently ignore the fact that those stats are split between 3 backs. 3 backs on LSU's team simultaneously outran and outscored Darby. Sure, Darby's a very good back, no one's disputing that, but to say that he's better than any one of LSU's backs is simply untrue. There are three on LSU's team that have proven otherwise.

You seem to think that I said that Darby is better than all three put together, well atleast that is the stance that you're posts are taking. I didn't.

Once again, if you'd read a whole post instead of searching for the first claim that you can go and run and get facts to dispute then you might not run into this problem.

LIke I said earlier. Why do you do that? Do you feel it is your mission to try and find stats to belittle every out of context claim made by an opposing fan?

Geez man..get a LIFE.

[BeeDee]

You seem to think that I said that Darby is better than all three put together, well atleast that is the stance that you're posts are taking. I didn't.

Once again, if you'd read a whole post instead of searching for the first claim that you can go and run and get facts to dispute then you might not run into this problem.

LIke I said earlier. Why do you do that? Do you feel it is your mission to try and find stats to belittle every out of context claim made by an opposing fan?

Geez man..get a LIFE.
First off, I'm not the one running into problems here. I've got this thing called accuracy on my side. Secondly, if you don't like what I've got to say, then ignore me ;) . No one's forcing you to reply.

And finally, I challenge you take any ONE of those three LSU backs. Just one. And show me how Darby's overall stats are better than any one of those LSU backs overall stats.

[HSVTider]

First off, I'm not the one running into problems here. I've got this thing called accuracy on my side. Secondly, if you don't like what I've got to say, then ignore me ;) . No one's forcing you to reply.

And finally, I challenge you take any ONE of those three LSU backs. Just one. And show me how Darby's overall stats are better than any one of those LSU backs overall stats.

Well first off, I wouldn't expect you to think you were wrong here.

Secondly, I put a stipulation on why I thought Darby was "way better" than those guys that you ignored in your rebuttal.

Thirdly, you put the post out there to be read. If you don't want people to read it or respond to it then why did you put in on the forum? Were you just practicing your typing skills?

[BeeDee]

Well first off, I wouldn't expect you to think you were wrong here.

Secondly, I put a stipulation on why I thought Darby was "way better" than those guys that you ignored in your rebuttal.

Thirdly, you put the post out there to be read. If you don't want people to read it or respond to it then why did you put in on the forum? Were you just practicing your typing skills?Of I wouldn't think I was wrong. 'Cause I'm not ;) . I believe that most folks not wearing Crimson colored glasses would agree as well.

You still haven't told me how Darby is way better than any of those backs. Your weak theory about the defenses that y'all faced is jus that - WEAK. The great thing about football is that performance can be easily measured quantitatively. Yards, yards per carry and touchdowns are the long established criteria for ball carriers. There's no way around it - and any disputing of that is just more excuses. Darby has not, to this point, outperformed any of LSU's top 3 backs. It just hasn't happened.

I certainly did put it out there for everyone to read. I'm happy to have you respond. I enjoy a challenge. I just wish that you would present more of a challenge for me. I mean, really, you make it way too easy. The old cliche about shooting fish in a barrel comes to mind.

[HSVTider]

Of I wouldn't think I was wrong. 'Cause I'm not ;) . I believe that most folks not wearing Crimson colored glasses would agree as well.

You still haven't told me how Darby is way better than any of those backs. Your weak theory about the defenses that y'all faced is jus that - WEAK. The great thing about football is that performance can be easily measured quantitatively. Yards, yards per carry and touchdowns are the long established criteria for ball carriers.. There's not way around it - and any disputing of that is just more excuses. Darby has not, to this point, outperformed any of LSU's top 3 backs. It just hasn't happened.

I certainly did put it out there for everyone to read. I'm happy to have you respond. I enjoy a challenge. I just wish that you would present more of a challenge for me. I mean, really, you make it way too easy. The old cliche about shooting fish in a barrel comes to mind.

Like I said earlier man. You seem to live to belittle people and try to prove their statements wrong. You need a hobby if not a life. Get a job, get a pet, get a better team to cheer for, get something..but geez..don't let the obsessive compulsive urge to smack people for posting an opinion run your life.

[BeeDee]

Like I said earlier man. You seem to live to belittle people and try to prove their statements wrong. You need a hobby if not a life. Get a job, get a pet, get a better team to cheer for, get something..but geez..don't let the obsessive compulsive urge to smack people for posting an opinion run your life.
Man, that's a really artful attempt at skirting the subject. If at first you don't succeed, avert attention from yourself in an attempt to save face.

C'mon, can't you do any better than that?

[Cianne]

Darby is better than Vincent but behind Addai and Broussard. I still believe that Vincent is all about one big run and then just sitting there going for 2, 3, -1, 2, then he'll get a 42 yard then back to 2, 1, -3, -4, 1, 0.

[BeeDee]

Darby is better than Vincent but behind Addai and Broussard. I still believe that Vincent is all about one big run and then just sitting there going for 2, 3, -1, 2, then he'll get a 42 yard then back to 2, 1, -3, -4, 1, 0.
I could almost agree with that, except that he's put the points on the board. He's got more TDs, more yards and a better average than Darby - all in FEWER carries.

So, for the sake of argument, I'll concede that Darby is a better back than Vincent (I don't truly believe that, but in an effort to make a point...). That still leaves Addai and Broussard who are clearly better.

[Cianne]

I could almost agree with that, except that he's put the points on the board. He's got more TDs, more yards and a better average than Darby - all in FEWER carries.

So, for the sake of argument, I'll concede that Darby is a better back than Vincent (I don't truly believe that, but in an effort to make a point...). That still leaves Addai and Broussard who are clearly better.

Example of Vincent: The Sugar Bowl with the WONDERFUL game he had where everyone then proclaimed him to be the next Heisman hopeful he had 117 yards rushing (LSU says 124 but when you add them up in the play by play it's 117). You take out the one long run he had of 64 yards and he only has 53 yards on 15 carries. That's not stellar at all at a 3.5 ypc.

Against Ole Miss, 107 yards rushing on 22 carries. Take out the one 44 yard run and he's at 63 yards on 21 carries for a 3 ypc.

I guess what I'm saying is that he's kind of like a flash in the pain. He's not guaranteed at all do to anything great but has one lucky run a game. That's good to have and everything but I'd rather have the most consistent Broussard, Addai, or Darby who I know are going to get tougher yards.

[supergenius]

Sounds like more excuses to me. Is it Phat Phil's fault that Darby didn't score as many TDs or run for as many yards or average as many yards/carry as LSU's guys? Is there some sort of NCAA conspiracy afoot? What's that I hear? Black helicopters circling?

You all conveniently ignore the fact that those stats are split between 3 backs. 3 backs on LSU's team simultaneously outran and outscored Darby. Sure, Darby's a very good back, no one's disputing that, but to say that he's better than any one of LSU's backs is simply untrue. There are three on LSU's team that have proven otherwise.
Once again it is not the Bama fans that keep the "conspiracy" threads out there. Darby was not even the starter until the 5th game. RTR

[Djshockley3]

Once again it is not the Bama fans that keep the "conspiracy" threads out there. Darby was not even the starter until the 5th game. RTR


Yeah that is true. ;)

[Cianne]

Once again it is not the Bama fans that keep the "conspiracy" threads out there. Darby was not even the starter until the 5th game. RTR

Speaking of Darby not being the starter until the 5th game, why was Hudson, I guess for lack of a better word, boo'd during games by the student section? He was out there running over Ole Miss, Darby comes in to give him a breather, everyone cheers. Then Hudson comes back from a rest and all the students boo him and cheer for Darby to come back.

[BeeDee]

Example of Vincent: The Sugar Bowl with the WONDERFUL game he had where everyone then proclaimed him to be the next Heisman hopeful he had 117 yards rushing (LSU says 124 but when you add them up in the play by play it's 117). You take out the one long run he had of 64 yards and he only has 53 yards on 15 carries. That's not stellar at all at a 3.5 ypc.

Against Ole Miss, 107 yards rushing on 22 carries. Take out the one 44 yard run and he's at 63 yards on 21 carries for a 3 ypc.

I guess what I'm saying is that he's kind of like a flash in the pain. He's not guaranteed at all do to anything great but has one lucky run a game. That's good to have and everything but I'd rather have the most consistent Broussard, Addai, or Darby who I know are going to get tougher yards.A flash in the pain? heheheh, Freudian slip? He has sure been a pain for our defense.

I see what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree. He puts the points on the board, and that's what counts the most. There is a lot to be said for consistency - and I'd agree with you if he were running for 50 yards one carry and none or negative on most others, but that's not the case. He runs for a not too great, but not too bad 3-3.5/carry and then adds to his average with some breakout runs. All in all, I think he does a great job and I'd love to have him in OUR backfield.

[supergenius]

Sounds like more excuses to me. Is it Phat Phil's fault that Darby didn't score as many TDs or run for as many yards or average as many yards/carry as LSU's guys? Is there some sort of NCAA conspiracy afoot? What's that I hear? Black helicopters circling?

You all conveniently ignore the fact that those stats are split between 3 backs. 3 backs on LSU's team simultaneously outran and outscored Darby. Sure, Darby's a very good back, no one's disputing that, but to say that he's better than any one of LSU's backs is simply untrue. There are three on LSU's team that have proven otherwise.
Yawn! More of the same, Non- Bama fans bringing up the "conspiracy"

[supergenius]

Speaking of Darby not being the starter until the 5th game, why was Hudson, I guess for lack of a better word, boo'd during games by the student section? He was out there running over Ole Miss, Darby comes in to give him a breather, everyone cheers. Then Hudson comes back from a rest and all the students boo him and cheer for Darby to come back.
Check out Ray's numbers As for the boos,I did not hear them. That does not mean that they did not occur, just means that I did not hear them. RTR.

[Cianne]

A flash in the pain? heheheh, Freudian slip? He has sure been a pain for our offense.

I see what you're saying, but I respectfully disagree. He puts the points on the board, and that's what counts the most. There is a lot to be said for consistency - and I'd agree with you if he were running for 50 yards one carry and none or negative on most others, but that's not the case. He runs for a not too great, but not too bad 3-3.5/carry and then adds to his average with some breakout runs. All in all, I think he does a great job and I'd love to have him in OUR backfield.

Yea Freudian slip because I my fingers were starting to hurt from all the usage of the calculator I was having to do adding, subtracting, whositwhatsits. He gives the LSU backfield depth and that's really it. I wouldn't rely on him as a feature back to carry an offense. I wouldn't really take Addai to do that either but Broussard is capable of doing it all by himself and I think Darby is too if he doesn't shy away from contact or weenie his way through the holes in fear of getting hurt.

And honestly, I'd stick with Pearson over Vincent (if he didn't decide that going to class was below him) because he really had to do it against 8 and 9 man fronts due to our passing game being awful too.

[supergenius]

To say that Darby played in 12 is factually true. The real truth is that he barely played in the Aubarn and bowl game. Something like 8 carries combined. RTR

[Cianne]

Check out Ray's numbers!

Agaisnt Utah State: Hudson 16-111; Darby 11-111
Against Ole Miss: Hudson 14-116; Darby 17-86
Against W. Carolina: Hudson 9-68; Darby 9-63
Against Arkansas: Hudson 20-170; Darby 16-51
Against South Carolina: Hudson 15-74; Darby 6-27

Against Kentucky: Hudson 18-99; Darby 20-99 ---- Hudson's last game

For the year: Hudson: 638 yards on 92 carries for 6.9 ypc; Darby: 437 yards on 79 carries for 5.5 ypc.

What am I looking for? He was better until he got hurt in every game.

[HSVTider]

BeeDee,

So if Darby leads the league in rushing TD's, yards, and carries this year would you conceded that Darby is the best back of the three?

I don't think you would. I think I'd here you say "well LSU was having to divide the carries by three".

[BeeDee]

Yea Freudian slip because I my fingers were starting to hurt from all the usage of the calculator I was having to do adding, subtracting, whositwhatsits. He gives the LSU backfield depth and that's really it. I wouldn't rely on him as a feature back to carry an offense. I wouldn't really take Addai to do that either but Broussard is capable of doing it all by himself and I think Darby is too if he doesn't shy away from contact or weenie his way through the holes in fear of getting hurt.

And honestly, I'd stick with Pearson over Vincent (if he didn't decide that going to class was below him) because he really had to do it against 8 and 9 man fronts due to our passing game being awful too.
I'm disappointed that we won't get to see what I thought and hoped would be Vashon's breakout year. I think he had the potential to be one of the leading rushers in the conference. But, no point in dwelling on might-have-beens.

[BeeDee]

BeeDee,

So if Darby leads the league in rushing TD's, yards, and carries this year would you conceded that Darby is the best back of the three?

I don't think you would. I think I'd here you say "well LSU was having to divide the carries by three".
I would absolutely concede it. Put a reminder of this post on your calendar and come back to it after Thanksgiving. I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong, if I really think that I'm wrong (go back and read my post history - I've been shown to be wrong before and I accept it - no one's perfect). In this case, I'm simply not wrong (so far, anyway). If Darby can single-handedly romp all over the SEC and compile the numbers then I'll happily admit that I was wrong.

As for LSU dividing their carries, the fact of the matter is, if LSU had a back that could single-handedly compile the numbers that Broussard, Vincent and Addai do together, then they'd let him do it. They don't, but they have three that can be a real defensive nightmare working together, so I'll agree not to bring up splitting the carries.

[supergenius]

Agaisnt Utah State: Hudson 16-111; Darby 11-111
Against Ole Miss: Hudson 14-116; Darby 17-86
Against W. Carolina: Hudson 9-68; Darby 9-63
Against Arkansas: Hudson 20-170; Darby 16-51
Against South Carolina: Hudson 15-74; Darby 6-27

Against Kentucky: Hudson 18-99; Darby 20-99 ---- Hudson's last game

For the year: Hudson: 638 yards on 92 carries for 6.9 ypc; Darby: 437 yards on 79 carries for 5.5 ypc.

What am I looking for? He was better until he got hurt in every game.
I was just responding to the post about the students booing Ray.

[Cianne]

I was just responding to the post about the students booing Ray.

Yea I wrote that post before I saw that you stealth edited it! Anywho, I don't know why they did, I was at the game sitting right below the mighty Million Dollar Band and they all did. I asked a friend there and he didn't know why either. Students are pretty dumb sometimes.

[HSVTider]

I would absolutely concede it. Put a reminder of this post on your calendar and come back to it after Thanksgiving. I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong, if I really think that I'm wrong (go back and read my post history - I've been shown to be wrong before and I accept it - no one's perfect). In this case, I'm simply not wrong (so far, anyway). If Darby can single-handedly romp all over the SEC and compile the numbers then I'll happily admit that I was wrong.

As for LSU dividing their carries, the fact of the matter is, if LSU had a back that could single-handedly compile the numbers that Broussard, Vincent and Addai do together, then they'd let him do it. They don't, but they have three that can be a real defensive nightmare working together, so I'll agree not to bring up splitting the carries.

Fair enough. If you won't do that, then I won't bring up that Bama didn't have a passing game to keep the defense honest (if we're down to using our third string QB again).

[BeeDee]

Yea I wrote that post before I saw that you stealth edited it! Anywho, I don't know why they did, I was at the game sitting right below the mighty Million Dollar Band and they all did. I asked a friend there and he didn't know why either. Students are pretty dumb sometimes.

Maybe it was something like when Deuce used to make a run or when Osteen came to the plate. Maybe they were yelling a nickname or something. When my wife went to her first Ole Miss game (against Auburn in '99, I think it was) and Deuce broke out for a 35 yarder - everyone started yelling "Deuuuuuuuuuuuuce!" and she got all offended because she thought they were booing. It kinda sounded like it.

[Cianne]

Maybe it was something like when Deuce used to make a run or when Osteen came to the plate. Maybe they were yelling a nickname or something. When my wife went to her first Ole Miss game (against Auburn in '99, I think it was) and Deuce broke out for a 35 yarder - everyone started yelling "Deuuuuuuuuuuuuce!" and she got all offended because she thought they were booing. It kinda sounded like it.

I doubt I could screw it up that bad when Hudson would come in and the students would chant "Darby" :D

[BeeDee]

I doubt I could screw it up that bad when Hudson would come in and the students would chant "Darby" :D
Hahaha, yeah, kinda hard to mistake that!