RANK the conferences [Archive]

GatorNation

07-10-2005, 10:40 PM

After reading some total junk this weekend concerning conference rankings, I decided to get an unbiased (yeah, right :D ) view on where the SEC stacks up nationally.

I'll start it off, imo:

1. SEC
2. ACC
3. Big 10
4. Big XII
5. PAthetiC-10
6. Big (L)East
7. MWC
8. C-USA
9. MAC
10. WAC
11. Independent
12. Sun Belt

GAMECOCK_FAN

07-10-2005, 10:56 PM

My take on the conference ratings (the way they should be):

1. SEC
2. ACC
3. Big XII
4. Pac 10
5. Big Ten
6. Big East
7. Mountain West
8. Conference USA
9. Western Athletic
10. Independent
11. Sun Belt
12. Mid-American

Foxman

07-10-2005, 11:09 PM

I like Gator's ranking. But I think BIG XII is alittle better than the Big 10, only slightly.

Close calls though

Djshockley3

07-10-2005, 11:16 PM

After reading some total junk this weekend concerning conference rankings, I decided to get an unbiased (yeah, right :D ) view on where the SEC stacks up nationally.

I'll start it off, imo:

1. SEC
2. ACC
3. Big 10
4. Big XII
5. PAthetiC-10
6. Big (L)East
7. MWC
8. C-USA
9. MAC
10. WAC
11. Independent
12. Sun Belt

Ok heres mine,

1.SEC
2.Big XII
3.ACC
4.Big Ten
5.Pac 10
6.Big East
7.C-USA
8.MWC
9.MAC
10.WAC
11.Independant
12.Sun Belt ;)

SilverBritches

07-10-2005, 11:18 PM

1. SEC
2. ACC
3. Big 10(11)
4. Big 12
5. Pac 10
6. Big East
7. All of the rest

uscrebel

07-10-2005, 11:52 PM

After reading some total junk this weekend concerning conference rankings, I decided to get an unbiased (yeah, right :D ) view on where the SEC stacks up nationally.

Are you talkin about football only?

Djshockley3

07-10-2005, 11:53 PM

Are you talkin about football only?

Yeah he is.

SilverBritches

07-10-2005, 11:55 PM

Are you talkin about football only?

I would venture to say that the SEC is the best all around athletic conference as well.

Djshockley3

07-10-2005, 11:56 PM

I would venture to say that the SEC is the best all around athletic conference as well.

IDK,the ACC is probly the best then the SEC,or lets just say they are tied. :D

uscrebel

07-11-2005, 12:29 AM

I would venture to say that the SEC is the best all around athletic conference as well.

I don't know if you can actually figure that out, but the SEC seems to have some prominence in various sports.

SilverBritches

07-11-2005, 12:31 AM

I don't know if you can actually figure that out, but the SEC seems to have some prominence in various sports.

Thats why I said I would venture.

uscrebel

07-11-2005, 12:32 AM

Thats why I said I would venture.

Calm down, SB. I was just reflecting the ambiguity of this thinkg that well call sports.

SilverBritches

07-11-2005, 12:35 AM

Calm down, SB. I was just reflecting the ambiguity of this thinkg that well call sports.

I wasn't getting excited. I was agreeing with you. It is hard to tell what people mean sometimes on a message board but I was agreeing with you. :)

USC66

07-11-2005, 01:24 AM

SEC
Big 12
ACC
Pac 10
Big 11
The Rest

IH8Orange

07-11-2005, 02:04 AM

As far as the SEC vs. ACC battle goes heres what I think:

Both conferences are extremely talented and respected. Both have great traditions in two big sports.
ACC owns basketball
SEC owns football

However, I would dare to say that the ACC is on a fast rise right now regarding football. Teams like FSU, Miami, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Boston College have made big impacts on the weekly rankings that us SEC fans hold so dear. Lets take our best team versus their best team and we really dont know who would win. Right now I would say (unfortunetly) Tennessee vs. Virginia Tech would be the matchup.
Regarding basketball, come on...UNC, Wake, Duke, NC State, Maryland, BC...all historical powerhouses and known for being victorious. The SEC has good teams, duh, but we just arent known as a strong basketball conference HOWEVER THE TIMES ARE CHANGING. Kentucky, UF, MSU, Bama...all great programs that can put up a great fight. Long story short, the conferences are inverse but in both areas of "weakness" (not a good word but work with me) both are gaining ground very fast and it will be very interesting to see what the future holds.

Yep, that's why I think both the SEC and ACC are tied for first (but we all know the SEC is better!)

IH8Orange

07-11-2005, 02:07 AM

Sorry guys, havent kept up with all the threads. If someone already made that point I apologize for saying it again.

GatorNation

07-11-2005, 08:38 AM

Ok heres mine,

1.SEC
2.Big XII
3.ACC
4.Big Ten
5.Pac 10
6.Big East
7.C-USA
8.MWC
9.MAC
10.WAC
11.Independant
12.Sun Belt ;)

DJ, Big XII over the ACC in fb? That surprised me. What's your reasoning there?

uscrebel

07-11-2005, 08:38 AM

I wasn't getting excited. I was agreeing with you. It is hard to tell what people mean sometimes on a message board but I was agreeing with you. :)

Oh...sorry...maybe it was me getting excited...
;) ;) But this sports stuff is important, ya know?

JerryBeeds

07-11-2005, 08:43 AM

1.) SEC
2.) ACC
3.) Big 12
4.) Big 10 (3 and 4 are interchangeable IMO).
5.) Pac-10
6.) Big East
7.) Mountain West
8.) MAC
9.) Conference USA
10.) WAC
11.) Independents
12.) Sun Belt

ColonelKurtz

07-11-2005, 09:01 AM

Here's my take today:

SEC
Big Snow
ACC
Pac10
B12
BE
MAC
WAC
CUSA
MWC
SB

pc72687

07-11-2005, 09:52 AM

SEC
Big 12
Big 10
ACC
Pac 10
Big East
MAC
Conference USA
WAC
MWC
SB

GatorNation

07-11-2005, 12:15 PM

SEC
Big 12
Big 10
ACC
Pac 10
Big East
MAC
Conference USA
WAC
MWC
SB

Again, the Big XII over the ACC. For those who agree with this: Do you think OU and Texass are stronger than VT, scUM, and free-shoes? I don't get it....and as bad as the north is, the Big XII's also-rans are no way near the ACC's middle tier, imo.

Djshockley3

07-11-2005, 12:52 PM

DJ, Big XII over the ACC in fb? That surprised me. What's your reasoning there?

I honestly think that Texas,Texas A&M,OU,Texas Tech,Oklahoma St,and Nebraska are stronger teams than FSU,Va Tech,Miami,North Carolina,Clemson and Georgia Tech.I also think that the ACC has 3 or 4 teams that are just plain horrible Duke,North Carolina,Wake Forrest,and Maryland.While the Big XII really just has Baylor and Kansas.So all around I think the Big XII is a better conference. :D

Foxman

07-11-2005, 02:04 PM

supergenius

07-11-2005, 02:09 PM

Foxman

07-11-2005, 02:13 PM

My mistake.... thanks for the heads up.

supergenius

07-11-2005, 02:19 PM

My mistake.... thanks for the heads up.
No problem, glad to be of service.

GatorNation

07-11-2005, 03:25 PM

I honestly think that Texas,Texas A&M,OU,Texas Tech,Oklahoma St,and Nebraska are stronger teams than FSU,Va Tech,Miami,North Carolina,Clemson and Georgia Tech.I also think that the ACC has 3 or 4 teams that are just plain horrible Duke,North Carolina,Wake Forrest,and Maryland.While the Big XII really just has Baylor and Kansas.So all around I think the Big XII is a better conference. :D

Wait a sec, though: I'll give you Tech, aTm, OU, OSU, and Texas....but Tech had no defense and went 7-4, losing to New Mexico (???), while NU didn't even make a bowl game (at 5-6). The Tarheels would beat NU probably 7/10 times, and we'll see how NU does against Wake soon enough. Maryland is down again, but they were riding high of late....RF could get them back at any time. Still, UVA (3 losses to f$u, scUM, and VT), Clemson (wins over scUM and usc), and Boston College (8-3 in '05) have to be better than most of the Big XII teams.

F$U > aTm
Va Tech : Texass
scUM > OU
UVA : TTech
Clemson > Nebrasska
BC < OSU

The Hawg of Honors

07-11-2005, 05:06 PM

Unbiased ;)

SEC
ACC
Big XII
Pac-10
Big Least
C-USA
Mt. West
MAC
WAC
Independent
Sun Belt/Little 11

uscrebel

07-11-2005, 07:53 PM

Unbiased ;)

SEC
ACC
Big XII
Pac-10
Big Least
C-USA
Mt. West
MAC
WAC
Independent
Sun Belt/Little 11

What about the Big10?

Foxman

07-11-2005, 08:05 PM

I think that /Little 11 at the bottom is the Big 10.

The Hawg of Honors

07-11-2005, 08:33 PM

How right you are. :D

uscrebel

07-11-2005, 08:49 PM

I've been thinking about the problem of how one "ranks" the conferences somewhat objectively. One way to do it is to look at the SEC Record against other conferences. Below is a listing of that construct. It is listed as Conference, Wins over that conference, Losses to that conference, Ties, and overall winning Percentage.

1. Division I-A Independent, 21-29-2, .423
2. Big Ten Conference, 85-89-7, .489
3. SEC Would Fit Here
4. Big 12 Conference, 308-300-24, .506
5. Atlantic Coast Conference , 866-732-82, .540
6. Big East Conference, 70-58-9, .544
7. Pacific-10 Conference, 61-38-7, .608
8. Conference USA, 671-329-39, .665
9. Western Athletic Conference, 267-127-20, .669
10. Mid-American Athletic Conference, 80-18-1, .813
11. Mountain West Conference, 43-9-0, .827
12. Sun Belt Conference, 192-11-4, .937

The biggest problem with this model is the parametric issues. That is there are big differences in the number of data points for various conferences. For instance, there are only 171 datapoints for the Big Ten, while there are over 1600 for the ACC. I think that there are two ways to solve this. First, interpolate everyone's record against everyone else and average the ranking. Second would be an analysis of variance (which would partially account for the differences.) I'll kick this around for a couple of days and see what I come up with.

GoBigO

07-12-2005, 04:16 PM

I won't rank independents because those teams are not in a conference and mainly don't choose to be. Therefore, they are not worthy, IMO. lol

1. Southeastern Conference
2. Big XII Conference
3. Big Ten Conference
4. Atlantic Coast Conference
5. Pacific 10 Conference
6. Conference USA
7. Mountain West Conference
8. Big Easy Conference
9. Mid-American Athletic Conference
10. Western Athletic Conference
11. Sun Belt Conference

Foxman

07-12-2005, 04:17 PM

http://www.sectalk.com/boards/showthread.php?t=4937

Neo

07-12-2005, 04:54 PM

I won't rank independents because those teams are not in a conference and mainly don't choose to be. Therefore, they are not worthy, IMO. lol

1. Southeastern Conference
2. Big XII Conference
3. Big Ten Conference
4. Atlantic Coast Conference
5. Pacific 10 Conference
6. Conference USA
7. Mountain West Conference
8. Big Easy Conference
9. Mid-American Athletic Conference
10. Western Athletic Conference
11. Sun Belt Conference

I love your sig BIG-O!!!!! LOL!!! :D :) :D :cool:

OrangeCrush

07-12-2005, 05:14 PM

After reading some total junk this weekend concerning conference rankings, I decided to get an unbiased (yeah, right :D ) view on where the SEC stacks up nationally.

I'll start it off, imo:

1. SEC
2. ACC
3. Big 10
4. Big XII
5. PAthetiC-10
6. Big (L)East
7. MWC
8. C-USA
9. MAC
10. WAC
11. Independent
12. Sun Belt

Looks good to me, although I would not know enough about #'s 7-12 to make an accurate prediction.