SEC the best?

[pc72687]

Which is the best conference? The ACC, the BIG 12, the BIG 10, the PAC 10, the SEC, or the Big East? Every conference says they are the best. Many have commercials dictating this. There is a very obvious absense of SEC commercials stating this. Is it because the SEC is the best and toughest in the nation? I believe so. Also when reading these recruiting web sites I have seen many athletes recruited by many different programs say things like, "the SEC is the best conference in the nation." But the similar statements of other conferences is curiously absent. State your opinions, disagreements, or snide remarks below!

[Rebeldrummer]

the SEC has those commercials but they are all records based ..

More NCCAA championships than any other confernce ,... more academica scholars etc etc

[GATA_Rob01]

Well since this is an SEC site I don't think anyone is gonna say the SEC isn't the best.

But I think the fans make the SEC the best conference in the country.

[GamecockDieHard]

Which is the best conference? The ACC, the BIG 12, the BIG 10, the PAC 10, the SEC, or the Big East? Every conference says they are the best. Many have commercials dictating this. There is a very obvious absense of SEC commercials stating this. Is it because the SEC is the best and toughest in the nation? I believe so. Also when reading these recruiting web sites I have seen many athletes recruited by many different programs say things like, "the SEC is the best conference in the nation." But the similar statements of other conferences is curiously absent. State your opinions, disagreements, or snide remarks below!

I'm an SEC fan, of course. But if we really are the best football conference, which I think we are, what the hell happened to Auburn going undefeated and getting hosed for a share of the Championship? And why did LSU need to share anything when they won it? Seems to me, we may the only ones that think it.

[GTmorris1970]

I think there are several good conferences out there. Most all have good and bad. I will say I am a little fatigued hearing about Auburn last year. The way the system is set up, there was no way they could win. Oklahoma and USC have been up there for the last several years now, and until someone knocks them off, they will continue to be there in the current setup. I am not saying it was right, but until someone raises enough hell to get it changed, it's not going to. Not only that, EVERYONE does not necessarily think the SEC is the best conference in the country. Not all of the people who make these decisions are going to put an SEC undefeated in the NC just because they are in the SEC. I have said before and stand by it. I think USC will again go undefeated and play somebody in the NC game. If Oklahoma has another great year, probably the same matchup.

[GatorNation]

Well since this is an SEC site I don't think anyone is gonna say the SEC isn't the best.

But I think the fans make the SEC the best conference in the country.

I totally agree. But one thing I read bothers me: The Sporting News ranked the SEC the #4 conference! (%&$@*!) 1. Big Ten, 2. ACC, 3. Big XII, 4. SEC.

Can someone explain this to me? It's nuts.

:mad:

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

I'm an SEC fan, of course. But if we really are the best football conference, which I think we are, what the hell happened to Auburn going undefeated and getting hosed for a share of the Championship? And why did LSU need to share anything when they won it? Seems to me, we may the only ones that think it.
The SEC is the best football conference in the nation, but just because Auburn went undeafted in it doesnt mean there the best team. USC was hands down the best team in the nation last year, and just because they play in a crappy conference doesnt mean they arent.

[BubbaVol]

The SEC is the best football conference in the nation, but just because Auburn went undeafted in it doesnt mean there the best team. USC was hands down the best team in the nation last year, and just because they play in a crappy conference doesnt mean they arent.

The trouble with a statement like that is figuring in the beating a team takes by playing an exponentially harder schedule. USCal has a great team. They play well at every position. Yet, how would they have faired in Auburns shoes? Having to bring their A game every weekend. It's not fair to Auburn or the SEC to make the statement you've made. I mean sure they beat Oklahoma in the MNC game, but so did LSU the year before.

[cocky4ever]

The trouble with a statement like that is figuring in the beating a team takes by playing an exponentially harder schedule. USCal has a great team. They play well at every position. Yet, how would they have faired in Auburns shoes? Having to bring their A game every weekend. It's not fair to Auburn or the SEC to make the statement you've made. I mean sure they beat Oklahoma in the MNC game, but so did LSU the year before.
I think you make a good point and it is evidenced by how Miami did last year. No more strutting through the Big East and preparing for VT all year while letting your talent get you by in all the other games. How many people would've thought Miami would lose to UNC, and chumpson after joining the ACC? When you play in a better conference you have to prepare harder and bring your A game every week. If Miami can join the ACC and lose to UNC and chumpson then Im sure its quite possible that USoCal could've lost a game or maybe even 2 if they were playing in the SEC last year. I also think another thing that hurt Auburn was the performance of the other teams in the West. LSU had a pretty big drop off and almost lost to some patsy's. Ole Miss had a huge drop off, Ark wasnt as strong as usual, Bama did decent, and Miss State is rebuilding their program right now and it shows. If Auburn had went undefeated in the East and beat the best team in the West twice I think they probably would've played in the NC game.

[cocky4ever]

Which is the best conference? The ACC, the BIG 12, the BIG 10, the PAC 10, the SEC, or the Big East? Every conference says they are the best. Many have commercials dictating this. There is a very obvious absense of SEC commercials stating this. Is it because the SEC is the best and toughest in the nation? I believe so. Also when reading these recruiting web sites I have seen many athletes recruited by many different programs say things like, "the SEC is the best conference in the nation." But the similar statements of other conferences is curiously absent. State your opinions, disagreements, or snide remarks below!
I guess it just depends on which sport you're talking about. In football its hands down the SEC. We have the best teams overall, the best fans, the most tradition,etc. The ACC thinks just because they added some teams to make it a 12 team conference that they are automatically at the top. With teams like Miami losing to UNC all of those teams will see what the SEC has been going through for 14 years: Playing solid competition every week. They cant just name some big names in college football that are now in their conference and say they have the best conference. They thought they were gonna be better last year and they werent, and last year was a down year for the SEC. The Big XII only has a few really strong teams, as does the Big Ten. No competition in football.

In basketball it basically just goes back and forth between the ACC and the Big Ten. No other conference comes close to them in basketball year after year.

In baseball I would say its a toss up between the SEC and the Big XII, with most years going to the SEC.

Thats it for the major sports, but we also dominate in some other areas such as track. Then again, if Arkansas were its own conference the ARK. Conference would dominate track by it'self.

[ColonelKurtz]

I totally agree. But one thing I read bothers me: The Sporting News ranked the SEC the #4 conference! (%&$@*!) 1. Big Ten, 2. ACC, 3. Big XII, 4. SEC.

Can someone explain this to me? It's nuts.

:mad:

TSN?!?!? For THIS season????

We're all aware of the ebb & flow of the teams from year to year so it isn't startling that there would be some fluid movement annually. If TSN's preseason thinking is what you posted, then it is very obvious that they do not believe that the middle teams of the SEC are as strong as any of those ranked above it.

Running with this for a second, the Big Snow's lineup from 1-4 will be as stout as any, with Iowa, Michigan, Purdue & Ohio State widely predicted to be Top 15 teams. Now the ACC is another animal altogether, for you have VT, Miami, FSU, BC, & UVA considered Top 25 along with the B12's Texas, Oklahoma, aTm, & TT.

Something I just noticed from looking at the current preseason consensus is that from #17 down there isn't any yet. aTm is currently #17 but with one of the included mags (Athlon's) leaving them out and from #18 Boise State on down, the teams are excluded by at least 2 of the mags. This tells me that there is an awful lot of indecision about how the teams are being assessed, which here in the off season is what one should expect.

But as for TSN's thing, I believe they are underselling the relative strength of the SEC, but that's coming from another Southern homer.

:D

[uscrebel]

The trouble with a statement like that is figuring in the beating a team takes by playing an exponentially harder schedule. USCal has a great team. They play well at every position. Yet, how would they have faired in Auburns shoes? Having to bring their A game every weekend. It's not fair to Auburn or the SEC to make the statement you've made. I mean sure they beat Oklahoma in the MNC game, but so did LSU the year before.


2004 Sugar Bowl - LSU vs. Oklahoma....final score, LSU 21-14. Distance to game. LSU, 81 miles; Oklahoma, 710 miles. Number of previous Sugar Bowls. LSU, 10; Oklahoma, 5. DeFacto Home team....LSU.

2005 Orange Bowl - USC vs. Oklahoma...final score, USC 55-19. Distance to game. USC, 2770 miles; Oklahome, 710 miles. Number of previous Orange Bowl appearances. USC, 1; Oklahoma, 18. DeFacto Home Team...Oklahoma.

[GeauxTo]

2004 Sugar Bowl - LSU vs. Oklahoma....final score, LSU 21-14. Distance to game. LSU, 81 miles; Oklahoma, 710 miles. Number of previous Sugar Bowls. LSU, 10; Oklahoma, 5. DeFacto Home team....LSU.

2005 Orange Bowl - USC vs. Oklahoma...final score, USC 55-19. Distance to game. USC, 2770 miles; Oklahome, 710 miles. Number of previous Orange Bowl appearances. USC, 1; Oklahoma, 18. DeFacto Home Team...Oklahoma.Doesn't this sort of mean that Oklahoma is perennially overated and just not worth a sh*t??
;)

[supergenius]

Conference strengh flucuates from year to year. There are many ways that people judge how good a conference is; bowl wins, non-conference records, poll #'s, etc. I tend to judge a conference by the number of teams it has in the final poll and non- conference wins. As for the Sporting News, are they the same publication that predicted Auburn # 1 2 years ago?

[pc72687]

I have trouble seeing the ACC above us. Most of their top teams are way overrated.

[cocky4ever]

Hopefully with the 12 game schedule we will get a better idea which teams are better each year. I hope to see a lot of SEC teams scheduling games against tough out of conference teams. I have faith that we can hold our own against any conference in the nation and can finally make some fans of other conferences see that year after year the SEC is usually overall the best in the country.

[uscrebel]

Doesn't this sort of mean that Okalahoma is perennially overated and just not worth a sh*t??
;)

No, it means that USC would rather have played LSU both years...even if we lost. Losing to LSU by a few means more than beating Oklahoma by a lot.
:D :D

[GeauxTo]

No, it means that USC would rather have played LSU both years...even if we lost. Losing to LSU by a few means more than beating Oklahoma by a lot.
:D :D
Right on, brother! We would have ALL liked to have seen those games!
:p

[uscrebel]

Right on, brother! We would have ALL liked to have seen those games!
:p

I believe that there is a slim chance that we could get our wish this year. I am not counting on it. USC has to slip through a schedule in which everybody is pissed at them and wants to be the team that knocks off Number One. LSU has to navigate the SEC which is diffcult in a normal year, but especially tough with a new coach.

Still, I would not be terribly surprised to see my Trojans and your Bengals tied up in Arroyo Seco. It would be a game for the frickin' ages.

[Djshockley3]

I believe that there is a slim chance that we could get our wish this year. I am not counting on it. USC has to slip through a schedule in which everybody is pissed at them and wants to be the team that knocks off Number One. LSU has to navigate the SEC which is diffcult in a normal year, but especially tough with a new coach.

Still, I would not be terribly surprised to see my Trojans and your Bengals tied up in Arroyo Seco. It would be a game for the frickin' ages.


That is my prediction Reb,I said that it would be Southern Cal vs LSU in the Rose Bowl. ;)

[pc72687]

I don't believe LSU is that powerful. Even if they did make it that far, I really don't see them beating a superpower like USC. Now, Flordia, here is a team that is fully cocked and loaded.

[GeauxTo]

I believe that there is a slim chance that we could get our wish this year. I am not counting on it. USC has to slip through a schedule in which everybody is pissed at them and wants to be the team that knocks off Number One. LSU has to navigate the SEC which is diffcult in a normal year, but especially tough with a new coach.

Still, I would not be terribly surprised to see my Trojans and your Bengals tied up in Arroyo Seco. It would be a game for the frickin' ages.
That would be a great game, for sure, if LSU navigates through its schedule successfully. If LSU is able to win all games against the likes of Tennessee, Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Arizona State, Arkansas, Ole Miss, etc., they might just beat USC in their own back yard. That would be beautiful.
;)

I don't believe LSU is that powerful. Even if they did make it that far, I really don't see them beating a superpower like USC. Now, Flordia, here is a team that is fully cocked and loaded.
You have obviously succumbed to the DisturbinUrban hype and are oblivious to real football power in the SEC. Florida will get a spanking in Death Valley this year.
;)

[GTmorris1970]

I am certainly not sold on Urban yet. I sure hope his mouth has not written several checks his coaching skills cannot cash.

[GatorNation]

TSN?!?!? For THIS season????

We're all aware of the ebb & flow of the teams from year to year so it isn't startling that there would be some fluid movement annually. If TSN's preseason thinking is what you posted, then it is very obvious that they do not believe that the middle teams of the SEC are as strong as any of those ranked above it.

Running with this for a second, the Big Snow's lineup from 1-4 will be as stout as any, with Iowa, Michigan, Purdue & Ohio State widely predicted to be Top 15 teams. Now the ACC is another animal altogether, for you have VT, Miami, FSU, BC, & UVA considered Top 25 along with the B12's Texas, Oklahoma, aTm, & TT.

Something I just noticed from looking at the current preseason consensus is that from #17 down there isn't any yet. aTm is currently #17 but with one of the included mags (Athlon's) leaving them out and from #18 Boise State on down, the teams are excluded by at least 2 of the mags. This tells me that there is an awful lot of indecision about how the teams are being assessed, which here in the off season is what one should expect.

But as for TSN's thing, I believe they are underselling the relative strength of the SEC, but that's coming from another Southern homer.

:D

Really....I checked the thing three times. And I still can't believe it. Any Big XII north team would probably win one or two games in the SEC max...and the south is only OU, Texass, and Tech with aTm trying to make a respectable push. That's not enough to put them over the SEC. If you're conscious and you don't eat your own feces, that should be self-evident.

The middle-of-the-road Big 10 is marginal at best, with the poor teams making the entire group much less attractive. So, SN must be placing a high premium on the top-3 boys: UM, OSU, and Iowa. But those teams will beat each other up though....UM plays OSU, as usual, and both have Iowa on the schedule. Imo, they'll cancel themselves out to a large degree. I think the strength of the Big 10's "big three" is also overrated....Iowa looks good, if boring, but OSU and Michigan are going to lose at least one and probably more, especially if Texass brings their Rose Bowl game to the horseshoe in September.

The ACC is a tougher call. With VT, scUM and free-shoes, the ACC almost matches the SEC's top three (UT, l-essU, and pick one: UF/uh-ga). But Boston College, Clemson, GT, UVA, and recently formidable Maryland and N. C. State are probably not as good as the rest of the SEC: six SEC teams made Lindy's top 25 compared to the ACC's four. SN gives the top-25 nod to 5 ACC teams (VT, scUM, f$u, GT, and UVA) and 5 SEC teams (UT, l-essU, UF, uh-ga, and Auburn). Bama is conspicuously absent on SN's top-25 list....Lindy's has Bama as a toward-the-bottom top-25 sleeper in the west. But like you said, colonel, there seems to be less respect for the SEC's second tier.

So, it looks like this for me (and I'll start another thread to get the board's general opinion) with ratings from 0-10:

1. SEC (9)
2. ACC (8.5)
3. Big 10 (7.5)
4. Big XII (7)
5. PAthetiC-10 (6.5)
6. Big (L)East (6)
7. MWC (5.5)
8. C-USA (5)
9. MAC (4.5)
10. WAC (3)
11. Independent (2.5)
12. Sun Belt (1)

[GeauxTo]

Really....I checked the thing three times. And I still can't believe it. Any Big XII north team would probably win one or two games in the SEC max...and the south is only OU, Texass, and Tech with aTm trying to make a respectable push. That's not enough to put them over the SEC. If you're conscious and you don't eat your own feces, that should be self-evident.

The middle-of-the-road Big 10 is marginal at best, with the poor teams making the entire group much less attractive. So, SN must be placing a high premium on the top-3 boys: UM, OSU, and Iowa. But those teams will beat each other up though....UM plays OSU, as usual, and both have Iowa on the schedule. Imo, they'll cancel themselves out to a large degree. I think the strength of the Big 10's "big three" is also overrated....Iowa looks good, if boring, but OSU and Michigan are going to lose at least one and probably more, especially if Texass brings their Rose Bowl game to the horseshoe in September.

The ACC is a tougher call. With VT, scUM and free-shoes, the ACC almost matches the SEC's top three (UT, l-essU, and pick one: UF/uh-ga). But Boston College, Clemson, GT, UVA, and recently formidable Maryland and N. C. State are probably not as good as the rest of the SEC: six SEC teams made Lindy's top 25 compared to the ACC's four. SN gives the top-25 nod to 5 ACC teams (VT, scUM, f$u, GT, and UVA) and 5 SEC teams (UT, l-essU, UF, uh-ga, and Auburn). Bama is conspicuously absent on SN's top-25 list....Lindy's has Bama as a toward-the-bottom top-25 sleeper in the west. But like you said, colonel, there seems to be less respect for the SEC's second tier.

So, it looks like this for me (and I'll start another thread to get the board's general opinion) with ratings from 0-10:

1. SEC (9)
2. ACC (8.5)
3. Big 10 (7.5)
4. Big XII (7)
5. PAthetiC-10 (6.5)
6. Big (L)East (6)
7. MWC (5.5)
8. C-USA (5)
9. MAC (4.5)
10. WAC (3)
11. Independent (2.5)
12. Sun Belt (1)
I agree, and I especially like your designation: PAthetiC-10. How appropriate.
;)

[uscrebel]

On a year in year out basis, I would rate the SEC/ACC as follows:

1st tier SEC: LSU, UTK, UGA, UFL, AUB, ALA
1st tier ACC: MIA, FSU, VAT, UVA (close to 2nd tier)

2nd tier SEC: ARK, OM, USCar**
2nd tier ACC: UMD*, CLM, GaTch, UNC, NCST, (BC#)

3rd tier SEC: MSU, VAN, KEN
3rd tier ACC: DUKE, WFU

So, it is in the 2nd tier teams that the ACC may be seen to surpass the SEC. This is why it is important for Croom to be successful and why 12 games, as much as I hate it, are crucial for assessing inter-conference strengths.


*While I think that Maryland's success in 2001, 2002, & 2003 turned a few heads, their 5-6 2004 campaign was much closer to their record for the previous twenty years.

**I think that there is much more disrespect among sportswriters for USC than there is in the SEC.

#Although BC does not join until 2006, they belong in the second tier to begin with. I do think that after two or three seasons in the ACC, they may come to regret their decision to leave the Big Least.

[nooneLT]

people are gonna flame you for putting alabama on the 1st tier, even tho i agree with you ;)

[GAMECOCK_FAN]

On a year in year out basis, I would rate the SEC/ACC as follows:

1st tier SEC: LSU, UTK, UGA, UFL, AUB, ALA
1st tier ACC: MIA, FSU, VAT, UVA (close to 2nd tier)

2nd tier SEC: ARK, OM, USCar**
2nd tier ACC: UMD*, CLM, GaTch, UNC, NCST, (BC#)

3rd tier SEC: MSU, VAN, KEN
3rd tier ACC: DUKE, WFU

So, it is in the 2nd tier teams that the ACC may be seen to surpass the SEC. This is why it is important for Croom to be successful and why 12 games, as much as I hate it, are crucial for assessing inter-conference strengths.


*While I think that Maryland's success in 2001, 2002, & 2003 turned a few heads, their 5-6 2004 campaign was much closer to their record for the previous twenty years.

**I think that there is much more disrespect among sportswriters for USC than there is in the SEC.

#Although BC does not join until 2006, they belong in the second tier to begin with. I do think that after two or three seasons in the ACC, they may come to regret their decision to leave the Big Least.

USCrebel.....I'm not sure I see your logic in the statement that the 2nd tier teams of the ACC make it seem to surpass the SEC. Let's assume that the teams you put in each tier are accurate. Without agreeing or disagreeing with your ratings of the tier 1-3 teams of both conferences, I would have to give the edge to the SEC. The SEC has 6 tier-1 teams vs. the ACC's 4 tier-1 teams. The ACC then has 6 tier-2 teams vs. the SEC's 3 tier-2 teams. I believe I would consider a conference that has 2 additional tier-1 teams stronger than one that has 3 additional tier-2 teams.

Just for the sake of argument, let's assign a score (or points) for each SEC team and each ACC team based on what tier they are in (i.e., the stronger the team the more points they get). To keep it relatively simple, lets give a Tier-1 team 3 points (strong teams), a Tier-2 team gets 2 points (mid-level teams), and a Tier-3 team gets 1 point (weak teams).

1st tier SEC: LSU (3 pts), UTK (3 pts), UGA (3 pts), UFL (3 pts), AUB (3 pts), ALA (3 pts)
1st tier ACC: MIA (3 pts), FSU (3 pts), VAT (3 pts), UVA (still give them 3 pts even though they are close to 2nd tier)

2nd tier SEC: ARK (2 pts), OM (2 pts), USCar (2 pts)
2nd tier ACC: UMD (2 pts), CLM (2 pts), GaTch (2 pts), UNC (2 pts), NCST (2 pts), BC (2 pts)

3rd tier SEC: MSU (1 pt), VAN (1 pt), KEN (1 pt)
3rd tier ACC: DUKE (1 pt), WFU (1 pt)

SEC: 27 total points
ACC: 26 total points

WE HAVE A WINNER! :D GO SEC..........

[uscrebel]

USCrebel.....I'm not sure I see your logic in the statement that the 2nd tier teams of the ACC make it seem to surpass the SEC..[snip]...
SEC: 27 total points
ACC: 26 total points

WE HAVE A WINNER! :D GO SEC..........

Gamecock Fan,

I don't disagree with your logic. I don't even need to create 1st, 2nd, and 3rd tiers to know that the SEC is superior to the ACC...even with Miami, FSU, & VaTech.

I was trying to simulate "Yankee Logic." I have actually had folks tell me that North Carolina and Virginia aren't "Southern teams."

Overall, I don't get all tied up in the argument of which conference is best. I know that there is only one conference for which I will stay up til 2:00am to watch a delayed replay of a third tier game....and that, my friends, is the SEC.

[BeeDee]

people are gonna flame you for putting alabama on the 1st tier, even tho i agree with you ;)
Naah, I agree that Bama belongs on the 1st tier, but just barely - they're hanging by a thread after the past few seasons. Give Bama till 2008 and they'll be firmly back in the top few of the SEC.

[pc72687]

Well by 2008 there could be a dramatic shift in the SEC. If MSU, Ole Miss, and SC all have the changes we hope for then we could have 3 more teams to the top tier. We'll just have to see with Kentucky and Vandy. Kentucky will probably be having a coaching change soon.

[Cianne]

Kentucky will probably be having a coaching change soon.

I nominate myself to coach at Kentucky and my pet monkeys, Jojo and Coco, will be my offensive and defensive coordinators respectively. I think we can do better up there.

[pc72687]

Cianne, you are probably right. Can your monkeys go on recruiting visits? If they can this would have to leave a lasting impression on the recruits which would at the very least keep your school in the recruits minds.

[supergenius]

Kentucky's 2005 squad could be one of the worst SEC teams in the last 20 years.

[GatorNation]

I agree, and I especially like your designation: PAthetiC-10. How appropriate.
;)

HAHA...thanks. And you know....you can't spell "pathetic" without PAC. ;)

[AFWarrior83]

SEC is the best conference in football, like the ACC is in Basketball!

[uscrebel]

Well by 2008 there could be a dramatic shift in the SEC. If MSU, Ole Miss, and SC all have the changes we hope for then we could have 3 more teams to the top tier. We'll just have to see with Kentucky and Vandy. Kentucky will probably be having a coaching change soon.

Well maybe, but there is a bit of a math problem here. If all of these teams hit the first tier, that will be because they each add between 3 and 4 wins to their schedule and maybe 5 or 6 in MSU's case. That is a total of 11 to 15 wins that are somebody's losses...most of which are going to occur in the conference. Let's say, for argument's sake, that 9 of these wins are losses for other SEC teams (three for each team). Who do you think it will be?

Not Kentucky and Vandy...they are already absorbing the losses. But, even if you assume that because of the change in the divisional rotation that ONE of these three losses goes to vandy or kentucky, that still means that Ole Miss, South Carolina, and MSU have to add two SEC victories to their schedule each year.

So, as I see it. Carolina will have perennially add at least two victories over either UGA, UFL, or TEN. State and Ole Miss will have to add victories over AUB, ALA, LSU, or ARK or each other.

I realize that there will be a 12th game added but these are most likely to be teams like Indiana, Wake Forest, Troy, etc. Short of a PREDICTABLE two or three wins over top tier SEC teams EVERY year, Ole Miss, USCar, and MSU, they will remain as second tier teams.

[pc72687]

You don't believe SC, Ole Miss, and MSU are capable of turning around and challenging the top teams for a place in the upper tier?

[Cianne]

You don't believe SC, Ole Miss, and MSU are capable of turning around and challenging the top teams for a place in the upper tier?

No he's saying that if those three teams are going to be in the top tier, someone has to fall to the middle tier to take their spot.

[pc72687]

Cianne you never said if your monkeys do recruiting visits. What about booster club meetings?

[Cianne]

Cianne you never said if your monkeys do recruiting visits. What about booster club meetings?

I'm sure recruits would not enjoy having feces thrown at them but some boosters might.