Urban Meyer recruiting tactics

[SilverBritches]

Here are some things I noticed when reading various recruiting articles dealing with Urban Meyer.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=382292
James McKinney:

One thing did bother him about the Florida visit, however.

"They were trying to get a commitment, like force a commitment out of me. The only thing I didn't like was they were talking bad about other programs during my visit."

http://florida.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=426291
Dustin Doe's Mother:

"They have a wonderful academic program. The coaches provide a comfortable atmosphere and they don't have the same problems they have in Tallahassee."

http://uga.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=426884
Marcus Udell:

"I got along pretty well Coach Meyer and he even suggested that I should make my stay permanent over there."

"I also got a chance to sit down with Coach Richt and talk a little while. I liked him a lot to because he was straight honest with me about what they expected out of me if I came there. He also just said to enjoy my visits and choose the best place for myself."

These three quotes prove to me that Coach Meyer uses negative recruiting tactics (as witnessed by McKinney and the mother of Dustin Doe) and he pressures prospects into committing (as witnessed by McKinney and Udell).

The last quote also shows you the difference between Mark Richt and Urban Meyer. Meyer pressures kids into committing to Florida while Richt tells them to enjoy the process and do what is best for them.

[Neo]

In my dealings with athletes and coaches, I've heard the same thing about Urban Meyer. Nothing personal, but when you make remarks that appear to say that Spurrier is nothing more than a flash in the pan. Something is terribly wrong here. :cool:

[jneesy]

this is the kind of thing that makes other coaches upset so if a coach uses these tactics then he better have a squeaky clean program

[OrangeCrush]

I found it funny that a UGA fan who benefits from Rodney Garner's recruiting wants to start crying about recruiting tactics. Lets face it, recruiting can be very dirty. What do you expect when you have these kids propped up as larger than life stars, while still in high school? A lot of people are putting their hands out looking for a piece of the future earning potential of a recruit. This is not to condone it. It would be fantastic if everything went above the boards and kids picked schools because they wanted to be a (insert school nickname of choice). College football is a big business. Think of how much money is invested per year in the coaching staff alone. People are doing what they think it takes to survive. It does not make it right, it is how it is. And you might as well get off the St. Richt of UGA stuff. I'm sure Richt is a good guy, but he is also responsible for the actions of his staff. I can assure you that your staff is not full of choirboys.

[SilverBritches]

Well, have you got any evidence to prove that Rodney Garner uses the same tactics? All I see from prospects is what a stand up, honest caoching staff we have.

I don't think I was crying. I was simply pointing out the different recruiting styles.

The ironic thing here is that I just got done reading a thread over on UGASports.com that was started by the brother of recent committment Kevin Perez from Miami. He went on saying that the main reason his brother chose Georgia was because of the honesty of our coaches. He said that he had to help his brother "weed out" the coaches making false promises. He said that when Kevin asked about his playing time, Coach Calloway told him that if he worked hard he would get a fair chance to play. That is all Kevin wanted to hear.

[OrangeCrush]

"You know what I find funny, a UT fan saying it is ok "because everybody does it". Of course I don't expect UT fans to know what it feels like to have a coach with integrity."

Do I think some recruiters step over the line in recruiting? Yes, I do. Is there anything I can do about it? No, that is not likely. Acknowledging that recruiting has a dirty side does not mean I condone it.

Garner got in a little trouble while he was down at Auburn. Heck, he was a fantastic recruiter while he was at UT. It does not seem that long ago that Garner pulled Coesy Coleman, Jamal Lewis, Deon Grant, and Fred Weary to Tennessee all in the same class. The Vol Nation miss him up in Knoxville and would welcome him back. I've never heard a recruit talk bad about Rodney.

I'm glad that recruits are talking well of Richt and they way he recruits. This does not mean that negative recruiting does not go on at UGA. Do you think that the UGA staff have never tried to get a commit(pressure) on a visit? They just sit back and let the kid take everything in and make a decision on their own all the time? I find that very hard to believe.


Maybe, I made a mistake in evaluating your post as crying. Instead of taking your post for what it was worth, I generalized UGA fans and fired a post back at you. My mistake. St.Richt is appropiate though, as he can do know wrong in UGAland.

[Spurrierismyhomeboy]

If I was a recruit besides Spurrier I would probably play for Richt he seems like a nice fella thats laid back and doesnt pressure you all the time. Urban seems like the guy who will bite your head off if you do one little thing wrong!

[GTmorris1970]

That does not surprise me about Meyer. There is just something I don't like about him, although I haven't put my finger on it yet. Richt and Spurrier are two I would think any player would like to play for. From what I understand, Spurrier is much the same way. This is what we have to offer, do you want it?

[SilverBritches]

"You know what I find funny, a UT fan saying it is ok "because everybody does it". Of course I don't expect UT fans to know what it feels like to have a coach with integrity."

Do I think some recruiters step over the line in recruiting? Yes, I do. Is there anything I can do about it? No, that is not likely. Acknowledging that recruiting has a dirty side does not mean I condone it.

Well I thought your post was implying that it is an ok thing to do because it happens everywhere else. My mistake. I agree that a good number of schools step over the line in recruiting.

Garner got in a little trouble while he was down at Auburn. Heck, he was a fantastic recruiter while he was at UT. It does not seem that long ago that Garner pulled Coesy Coleman, Jamal Lewis, Deon Grant, and Fred Weary to Tennessee all in the same class. The Vol Nation miss him up in Knoxville and would welcome him back. I've never heard a recruit talk bad about Rodney.

I wasn't aware that Garner got into trouble while at Auburn. I am assuming that was during the Pat Dye era?

I know how good of a recruiter Rodney Garner is. He gave me fits when he just kept pulling all the top players in GA to Tennessee. Then to make things worse, those players continually kicked our @ss throughtout the 90s.

I'm glad that recruits are talking well of Richt and they way he recruits. This does not mean that negative recruiting does not go on at UGA. Do you think that the UGA staff have never tried to get a commit(pressure) on a visit? They just sit back and let the kid take everything in and make a decision on their own all the time? I find that very hard to believe.

I agree Richt is not as laid back towards a recruit as I previously made him out to be. I also believe that you would never hear a recruit saying that Richt tried to force a committment out of him. I would say that there is a happy medium somewhere in there though.

Maybe, I made a mistake in evaluating your post as crying. Instead of taking your post for what it was worth, I generalized UGA fans and fired a post back at you. My mistake. St.Richt is appropiate though, as he can do know wrong in UGAland.

I certainly do not think that Richt can do no wrong. He has made mistakes in his young career such as running the ball on the goaline with 7 seconds left against Auburn in 2001. I am also a firm believer that he needs to hire a real offensive coordinator. Mark Richt is an honest person with a lot of integrity. He also very deeply cares about his players as people rather than just players. If that makes him St. Richt in your eyes then so be it.

[GatorNation]

Here are some things I noticed when reading various recruiting articles dealing with Urban Meyer.

The best recruiters play that card....it doesn't bother me, IF it was "negative" recruiting, that is. I don't think it's "negative recruiting" to talk about how you view the direction of another program and how that recruit might fit (or not fit) into that program. Selling yourself, by its very nature, minimizes and "devalues" others.

And even if Meyer's tactics are of the "slanderous" kind, Meyer isn't the only one doing it. You don't think Richt, Fulmer, and Spurrier talk about Meyer's "four-year coaching career," or how the WAC and MWC aren't the SEC...blah, blah? And I'm sure they don't talk about how old Bowden is....or how he can't control the program....or the poor offense....or Miami not winning the ACC, the list goes on and on. He's just doing what every other coach is doing in order to get an upper hand in the highly demanding world of SEC recruiting.

If you think other coaches aren't doing it, you're living in a dream world.

[SilverBritches]

The best recruiters play that card....doesn't bother me, IF it was "negative" recruiting. I don't think it's "negative recruiting" to talk about how you view the direction of a program and how that recruit might fit (or not fit) into it.

And even if it is the "slanderous" kind, Meyer isn't the only one doing it. You don't think Richt, Fulmer, and Spurrier talk about Meyer's "four-year coaching career" and how the WAC and MWC aren't the SEC...blah, blah....or even how old Bowden is and how he can't control the program...poor offense, etc.? Gimme a break. He's just doing what every other coach is doing in order to get an upper hand in the highly demanding world of SEC recruiting.

If you think other coaches aren't doing it, you're living in a dream world.

Well if it is so common how come you rarely see a recruit actually say that?

Negative recruiting is when you trash other teams to prospects. Like when McKinney said that he didn't like how Florida coaches talked bad about other programs.

Of course, "everyone does it".

[GatorNation]

Well if it is so common how come you rarely see a recruit actually say that?

Negative recruiting is when you trash other teams to prospects. Like when McKinney said that he didn't like how Florida coaches talked bad about other programs.

Of course, "everyone does it".

Until I hear specifics (and the coaching staff is given an opportunity to respond to whatever allegations are being made), I'm not going to take the word of some isolated high school kid who is, by the nature of the recruiting process, playing programs against each other. Question: If that's Meyer's tactic, why haven't any other recruits or verbals made similar complaints? That is, why have we heard exactly the converse from other prospects and their families? Answer: Because it was likely a miscommunication/misunderstanding.

It's an off-season reach, imo....I know we're bored, but let's try and bring it up a notch. ;)

[GTmorris1970]

Until I hear specifics (and the coaching staff is given an opportunity to respond to whatever allegations are being made), I'm not going to take the word of some isolated high school kid who is, by the nature of the recruiting process, playing programs against each other. Question: If that's Meyer's tactic, why haven't any other recruits or verbals made similar complaints? That is, why have we heard exactly the converse from other prospects and their families? Answer: Because it was likely a miscommunication/misunderstanding.

It's an off-season reach, imo....I know we're bored, but let's try and bring it up a notch. ;)

i believe some of the recruits have made similar comments to Spurrier about how Meyer handled them. Seems as though Spurrier even made a brief comment about it back around signing day. Maybe Neo can give the specifics? :)

[SilverBritches]

Until I hear specifics (and the coaching staff is given an opportunity to respond to whatever allegations are being made), I'm not going to take the word of some isolated high school kid who is, by the nature of the recruiting process, playing programs against each other. Question: If that's Meyer's tactic, why haven't any other recruits or verbals made similar complaints? That is, why have we heard exactly the converse from other prospects and their families? Answer: Because it was likely a miscommunication/misunderstanding.

It's an off-season reach, imo....I know we're bored, but let's try and bring it up a notch. ;)

You can choose to believe it is a reach. It really isn't though. The kid flat out said that Meyer was talking bad about other schools. Even if it was one incident (which I highly doubt it is), it is still negative recruiting. Then you have Doe's mom trashing FSU in the article. I wonder who was feeding the Doe family all those things happening at FSU? Also, that was really low class of Mark Wheeler to publish that comment.

Lastly, you have Neo saying that he has heard the same things about Meyer.

[Neo]

You can choose to believe it is a reach. It really isn't though. The kid flat out said that Meyer was talking bad about other schools. Even if it was one incident (which I highly doubt it is), it is still negative recruiting. Then you have Doe's mom trashing FSU in the article. I wonder who was feeding the Doe family all those things happening at FSU? Also, that was really low class of Mark Wheeler to publish that comment.

Lastly, you have Neo saying that he has heard the same things about Meyer.


You forgot about the issue with Tebow. :cool:

[SilverBritches]

You forgot about the issue with Tebow. :cool:

Are you talking about Meyer's constant cussing offending the Tebows?

[Neo]

Are you talking about Meyer's constant cussing offending the Tebows?


Yes...

The problem I have and this is just roughing it is the fact that both Meyer and Strong said USC is a dump and that no one can win here. Spurrier coming here doesn't matter. He's (Spurrier) just a "Flash in the Pan". :cool:


I find it funny that Strong said we can't win here considering that he was here during the 8-4 & 9-3 seasons. :cool:

[SilverBritches]

Yes...

The problem I have and this is just roughing it is the fact that both Meyer and Strong said USC is a dump and that no one can win here. Spurrier coming here doesn't matter. He's (Spurrier) is a "Flash in the Pan". :cool:


I find it funny that Strong said we can't win here considering that he was here during the 8-4 & 9-3 seasons. :cool:

Thats just low class if true. I mean sell what your program has to offer, not what others programs don't have.

[GTmorris1970]

Yes...

The problem I have and this is just roughing it is the fact that both Meyer and Strong said USC is a dump and that no one can win here. Spurrier coming here doesn't matter. He's (Spurrier) is a "Flash in the Pan". :cool:


I find it funny that Strong said we can't win here considering that he was here during the 8-4 & 9-3 seasons. :cool:

And Strong leaves Carolina to work for who at UF? Yep, that is correct. To pad his resume for a head coaching job he still has not obtained. He must think something of Spurrier, wouldn't you think? :rolleyes:

[Neo]

Thats just low class if true.


To an extent, that's correct. I would put my rep on this. That's how sure I am of it. Remember, I don't have too many contacts at UF, but the contacts at USC are VERY strong.

When Holtz found out that Strong was looking to leave USC for a higher paying position, him and the AD Dr. Mike McGee sat him down and coached him on how to handle interviews and such. They actually helped him create a presentation to show to other AD's for which he was applying.

Now if that isn't going way beyond the call of duty, I don't know what is. :cool:

[OrangeCrush]

I expect teams to hold the criminal activities of a few SEC schools against them. You deserve what you get in those instances. Strong calling USC a dump and nobody can win is over the line considering his past with USC. He had Zook to blame for his poor defense. Here is hoping that Strong's defenses will get burned early and often.

[GatorNation]

i believe some of the recruits have made similar comments to Spurrier about how Meyer handled them. Seems as though Spurrier even made a brief comment about it back around signing day.

We're going to take Spurrier's word for it, lol? He's the master of "negative recruiting tactics." Please. As far as the f$u comment is concerned, that had more to do with the actual f$u visit. There have been problems with free-shoes' academic support system, and both parents and students have noticed a marked difference between the academic offerings/network at UF compared to f$u and scUM. Meyer cannot be blamed for pointing out comparisons that cast an unfavorable light on the competition. That's how the ball rolls, guys.

And I have no idea about the Tebow thing. Haven't heard a word about that. If you have a link, Neo, I'd be very interested to read something definitive. Until then, though, I'm not going to buy every internet rumor I hear....especially those originating from rival schools and former UF coaches itching to pull some talent out of Florida. Everything I've read to date, and that includes interviews with Tim and his dad by non-Gator related sources, questions the validity of such statements.

I highly doubt Meyer and Strong are walking around during visits or, for example, the huge camp out at the lake for 14+ 4- and 5-star recruits (and their families) talking about "f-this" and "f-that" and screw that program, flash-in-the-pan BS. Mark talked with a few parents who were ready to verbal for their kids THAT DAY. That's not happening if Meyer is having a character meltdown and letting loose with a trucker-like tirade of profanity....not to mention that such actions would go against everything he's been teaching and preaching. And even if he WAS/IS like that, he's smart enough not to do it in front of recruits and their families.

More fodder for pre-season banter, I'm afraid.

[Neo]

I highly doubt Meyer and Strong are walking around during visits or, for example, the huge camp out at the lake for 14 5-star recruits (and their families) talking about "f-this" and "f-that" and screw that program, flash-in-the-pan BS.More fodder for off-season banter, I'm afraid.


Well Gator....It WAS said and it was read loud and clear. You may not believe it and that's fine, but don't say that it's out of the realm of possibility.

I'm willing to stake my rep on this one. :cool:

[GatorNation]

Well Gator....It WAS said and it was read loud and clear. You may not believe it and that's fine, but don't say that it's out of the realm of possibility.

I'm willing to stake my rep on this one. :cool:

Okay...then give me the link. I want to read it and substantiate it myself.

[Neo]

Okay...then give me the link. I want to read it and substantiate it myself.


It wasn't printed. This was said in the home of one of the recruits that Meyer/Strong were visiting.:cool:

[GTmorris1970]

We're going to take Spurrier's word for it, lol? He's the master of "negative recruiting tactics." Please. As far as the f$u comment is concerned, that had more to do with the actual f$u visit. There have been problems with free-shoes' academic support system, and both parents and students have noticed a marked difference between the academic offerings/network at UF compared to f$u and scUM. Meyer cannot be blamed for pointing out comparisons that cast an unfavorable light on the competition. That's how the ball rolls, guys.

And I have no idea about the Tebow thing. Haven't heard a word about that. If you have a link, Neo, I'd be very interested to read something definitive. Until then, though, I'm not going to buy every internet rumor I hear....especially those originating from rival schools and former UF coaches itching to pull some talent out of Florida. Everything I've read to date, and that includes interviews with Tim and his dad by non-Gator related sources, questions the validity of such statements.

I highly doubt Meyer and Strong are walking around during visits or, for example, the huge camp out at the lake for 14+ 4- and 5-star recruits (and their families) talking about "f-this" and "f-that" and screw that program, flash-in-the-pan BS. Mark talked with a few parents who were ready to verbal for their kids THAT DAY. That's not happening if Meyer is having a character meltdown and letting loose with a trucker-like tirade of profanity....not to mention that such actions would go against everything he's been teaching and preaching. And even if he WAS/IS like that, he's smart enough not to do it in front of recruits and their families.

More fodder for pre-season banter, I'm afraid.

Spurrier the master of negative recruiting tactics? I thought you posted in another thread that Spurrier didn't recruit at all? Which one is it?

[SilverBritches]

We're going to take Spurrier's word for it, lol? He's the master of "negative recruiting tactics." Please.

Know you are bashing the best coach Florida has ever had. Florida was NOTHING before Spurrier and so far they have been NOTHING without him. I would think you would be thanking him.

And I have no idea about the Tebow thing. Haven't heard a word about that. If you have a link, Neo, I'd be very interested to read something definitive. Until then, though, I'm not going to buy every internet rumor I hear....especially those originating from rival schools and former UF coaches itching to pull some talent out of Florida. Everything I've read to date, and that includes interviews with Tim and his dad by non-Gator related sources, questions the validity of such statements.

We all know that Neo is an insider.

I highly doubt Meyer and Strong are walking around during visits or, for example, the huge camp out at the lake for 14+ 4- and 5-star recruits (and their families) talking about "f-this" and "f-that" and screw that program, flash-in-the-pan BS. Mark talked with a few parents who were ready to verbal for their kids THAT DAY. That's not happening if Meyer is having a character meltdown and letting loose with a trucker-like tirade of profanity....not to mention that such actions would go against everything he's been teaching and preaching. And even if he WAS/IS like that, he's smart enough not to do it in front of recruits and their families.

I doubt that as well. However I believe Meyer drops quite a few F bombs during practice like a lot of coaches do. However, it may come back and bite Meyer in the arse.

I'm sure Meyer doesn't trash teams in front of a whole group but I bet he does it. The kid flat out said he does. Whether it's one incident or not, he has used negative recruiting and I bet that if he has done it, then he has done it with multiple kids. You can't spin McKinney's comments no matter how hard you try.

[GatorNation]

It wasn't printed. This was said in the home of one of the recruits that Meyer/Strong were visiting.:cool:

Well, that's nice, but that doesn't prove anything. As it stands, it's an internet, chat-room rumor originating from a rival site. We get about a thousand of those every day from Dot over at Warchant.

I'm sure they said some things about usc and Spurrier--as does every other coach in the SEC trying to keep their jobs--but I don't believe it involved cursing and personal attacks. You guys can believe what you want, but Meyer is not stupid enough to do something like that.

If anything, it was probably a misunderstanding that was taken the wrong way/out of context.

It happens all the time....

[Neo]

Well, that's nice, but that doesn't prove anything. As it stands, it's an internet, chat-room rumor originating from a rival site. We get about a thousand of those every day from Dot over at Warchant.

I'm sure they said some things about usc and Spurrier--as does every other coach in the SEC trying to keep their jobs--but I don't believe it involved cursing and personal attacks. You guys can believe what you want, but Meyer is not stupid enough to do something like that.

If anything, it was probably a misunderstanding that was taken the wrong way/out of context.

It happens all the time....



Why is it so unbelieveable that Meyer/Strong would do something like that while saying Spurrier is the "Master" of negative recruiting? :cool:

[GTmorris1970]

Well, that's nice, but that doesn't prove anything. As it stands, it's an internet, chat-room rumor originating from a rival site. We get about a thousand of those every day from Dot over at Warchant.

I'm sure they said some things about usc and Spurrier--as does every other coach in the SEC trying to keep their jobs--but I don't believe it involved cursing and personal attacks. You guys can believe what you want, but Meyer is not stupid enough to do something like that.

If anything, it was probably a misunderstanding that was taken the wrong way/out of context.

It happens all the time....

I believe the comment Spurrier made was in reference to Meyer promising freshmen a chance at a starting job, knowing full well they had excellent upper classmen in those positions. He was doing that to keep them from going to other schools. Also was promising not the have them redshirt if I remember correctly. Once again Neo, do you remember what I'm talking about? :cool:

[GatorNation]

Know you are bashing the best coach Florida has ever had.....

Please. I'm not bashing Spurrier at all. I'm simply pointing out the obvious....he likes to stir the pot. He's already BEEN doing it with Meyer and Fulmer....and he's done it with many others.

Coaches curse, and coaches "trash" other teams....it's not news guys. And McKinney isn't the first kid to make something up. It's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

[GatorNation]

Spurrier the master of negative recruiting tactics? I thought you posted in another thread that Spurrier didn't recruit at all? Which one is it?

You can use negative tactics and still be a poor, lazy, unimaginative recruiter, GT.

They are not mutually exclusive.

[Neo]

I believe the comment Spurrier made was in reference to Meyer promising freshmen a chance at a starting job, knowing full well they had excellent upper classmen in those positions. He was doing that to keep them from going to other schools. Also was promising not the have them redshirt if I remember correctly. Once again Neo, do you remember what I'm talking about? :cool:


I know who you're talking about....((Slapping head)) I'm trying to remember his friggin name. :cool:

[GTmorris1970]

I know who you're talking about....((Slapping head)) I'm trying to remember his friggin name. :cool:

He signed with us I believe.

[SilverBritches]

Please. I'm not bashing Spurrier at all. I'm simply pointing out the obvious....he likes to stir the pot. He's already BEEN doing it with Meyer and Fulmer....and he's done it with many others.

You are right. I did see some Gators bashing Spurrier not too long ago so I guess thats what triggered that response.

Coaches curse, and coaches "trash" other teams....it's not news guys. And McKinney isn't the first kid to make something up. It's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

I know kids have made stuff up before. But this kid rated his Florida visit a 9.5 out of 10. He praised everything Florida has. Now why would he make that up after praising everything else?

[GatorNation]

I believe the comment Spurrier made was in reference to Meyer promising freshmen a chance at a starting job, knowing full well they had excellent upper classmen in those positions. He was doing that to keep them from going to other schools. Also was promising not the have them redshirt if I remember correctly. Once again Neo, do you remember what I'm talking about? :cool:

How are these things problematic? Just because we have "upper classmen" and experience at LB doesn't mean a true fosh couldn't see playing time. Demps is getting on the field in 2005. Spurrier complaining about what Meyer is promising recruits....

....this is ridiculous. Enjoy the thread, gentlemen.

[Neo]

He signed with us I believe.


Yeah...you're talking about OJ. That's right. He did an interview with Phil Kornblut shortly after he signed and he (OJ) affirmed everything that I was told weeks prior. :cool:

OJ quoted that Strong and Meyer were saying the very same thing I typed earlier. :cool:

[GTmorris1970]

Yeah...you're talking about OJ. That's right. He did an interview with Phil Kornblut shortly after he signed and he (OJ) affirmed everything that I was told weeks prior. :cool:

OJ quoted that Strong and Meyer were saying the very same thing I typed earlier. :cool:

OJ Murdock, that is correct. Meyer would have told him anything to stay.

[GTmorris1970]

How are these things problematic? Just because we have "upper classmen" and experience at LB doesn't mean a true fosh couldn't see playing time. Demps is getting on the field in 2005. Spurrier complaining about what Meyer is promising recruits....

....this is ridiculous. Enjoy the thread, gentlemen.

No, Spurrier was more laughing about it than anything. OJ Murdock knew that UF had talented receivers, and wasn't sure he was being told the truth by Meyer. He knew he had a much better chance to start at Carolina. :cool:

[SilverBritches]

OJ Murdock, that is correct. Meyer would have told him anything to stay.

I thought Florida backed off of him because they thought he wouldn't qualify?

He qualified didn't he?

[GTmorris1970]

I thought Florida backed off of him because they thought he wouldn't qualify?

He qualified didn't he?

Yes, he is already in Columbia working with the team from my understanding. :)

[Neo]

Why is it so unbelieveable that Meyer/Strong would do something like that while saying Spurrier is the "Master" of negative recruiting? :cool:


The question still stands. Why is it so impossible that Meyer is incapable of "Rude" or "Dirty" things, but Spurrier is? :cool:

[Neo]

I thought Florida backed off of him because they thought he wouldn't qualify?

He qualified didn't he?



Florida wanted him to still sign with them even though he wouldn't qualify. They wanted to send him through the JUCO route because it would keep one less recruit away from anyone else. :cool:

[Neo]

Yes, he is already in Columbia working with the team from my understanding. :)


Yep...He is... :cool:

[GTmorris1970]

Florida wanted him to still sign with them even though he wouldn't qualify. They wanted to send him through the JUCO route because it would keep one less recruit away from anyone else. :cool:

Correct again. He needed another class that Carolina didn't require if I remember correctly?

[SilverBritches]

Oh, well good for him.

[Neo]

Correct again. He needed another class that Carolina didn't require if I remember correctly?



Correct.....

I mean, OJ Murdock is no slouch. He was the fastest player in Florida last year and is expected to get significant playing time this year. :cool:

[Neo]

Think about it,

Would you really want you rivals getting the...

#10th ranked WR in the nation.
#88th best player in the nation.
#17th best player in the state of Florida.
The fastest player in the state of Florida.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=28194

[GTmorris1970]

Think about it,

Would you really want you rivals getting the...

#10th ranked WR in the nation.
#88th best player in the nation.
#17th best player in the state of Florida.
The fastest player in the state of Florida.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=28194

No not really.....Who got those? :D

[Neo]

No not really.....Who got those? :D


Your Honor....


The Defense rests...... :cool:

[GatorNation]

Think about it,

Would you really want you rivals getting the...

#10th ranked WR in the nation.
#88th best player in the nation.
#17th best player in the state of Florida.
The fastest player in the state of Florida.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=28194

Well, that doesn't mean a thing if you don't have anyone to throw him the ball. And, yes, UF backed off on Murdock because of qualifiying issues.

[GatorNation]

The question still stands. Why is it so impossible that Meyer is incapable of "Rude" or "Dirty" things, but Spurrier is? :cool:

That wasn't the question....or the comment. The issue was that the rumor had been based upon something Spurrier said to someone else. And considering Spurs' history, that's not money in the bank. He often says things to stir the pot and get a reaction....GT even said it was a comment made in jest. Spurrier wants to play mind games. That's his thing.

And "negative recruiting" isn't the same thing as being "dirty," Neo. I don't know where you came up with that one.....it's a claim I never made. But it certainly sounds like Spurrier needs something to do if he's playing golf, sitting around complaining about what Meyer may or may not be doing on the recruiting trail. :D

[TNGator]

I am new here, my first post. I stumbled across the site today and thought I'd reply to this post.

Start in order of the names on the first list:

James McKinney- this kid was a "head case" last year. He is the very same kid that got send home on his recruiting visit from Louisville for talking trash about another program or UL's program one. Maybe the qoute was true and Meyer did that, but funny he didn't like that about Meyer and does the same thing while on a visit to Louisville

Dustin Doe- It's not hard to live in FL I'm sure and see the problems of late at FSU. I live in TN and I can see them through sportscenter, news, paper, internet etc...Who says Urban said anything negative about FSU's problems, maybe the mother did a little research on her own over the past few months of each program.

Marcus Udell- If suggesting to a kid to come to a certain university and play ball the next year is a crime, then every coach in America commits it.

They each have diff styles, but I see nothing wrong, and have heard nothing bad about Meyer except from rival fans. How about the amount of posts from players and coaches who say all the great positive things about Meyer? Carl Johnson.....OL from NC, read what his coach has to say about Urban.

I'll dig up some quotes later for you if you want.

[GatorNation]

I am new here, my first post. I stumbled across the site today and thought I'd reply to this post.

Start in order of the names on the first list:

James McKinney- this kid was a "head case" last year. He is the very same kid that got send home on his recruiting visit from Louisville for talking trash about another program or UL's program one. Maybe the qoute was true and Meyer did that, but funny he didn't like that about Meyer and does the same thing while on a visit to Louisville

Dustin Doe- It's not hard to live in FL I'm sure and see the problems of late at FSU. I live in TN and I can see them through sportscenter, news, paper, internet etc...Who says Urban said anything negative about FSU's problems, maybe the mother did a little research on her own over the past few months of each program.

Marcus Udell- If suggesting to a kid to come to a certain university and play ball the next year is a crime, then every coach in America commits it.

They each have diff styles, but I see nothing wrong, and have heard nothing bad about Meyer except from rival fans. How about the amount of posts from players and coaches who say all the great positive things about Meyer? Carl Johnson.....OL from NC, read what his coach has to say about Urban.

I'll dig up some quotes later for you if you want.


Thanks, TNGator. Well said.

And welcome to SECTalk.....it's a great site, and the swamp here is growing. ;)

[Neo]

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[SilverBritches]

I am new here, my first post. I stumbled across the site today and thought I'd reply to this post.

Start in order of the names on the first list:

James McKinney- this kid was a "head case" last year. He is the very same kid that got send home on his recruiting visit from Louisville for talking trash about another program or UL's program one. Maybe the qoute was true and Meyer did that, but funny he didn't like that about Meyer and does the same thing while on a visit to Louisville

Dustin Doe- It's not hard to live in FL I'm sure and see the problems of late at FSU. I live in TN and I can see them through sportscenter, news, paper, internet etc...Who says Urban said anything negative about FSU's problems, maybe the mother did a little research on her own over the past few months of each program.

Marcus Udell- If suggesting to a kid to come to a certain university and play ball the next year is a crime, then every coach in America commits it.

They each have diff styles, but I see nothing wrong, and have heard nothing bad about Meyer except from rival fans. How about the amount of posts from players and coaches who say all the great positive things about Meyer? Carl Johnson.....OL from NC, read what his coach has to say about Urban.

I'll dig up some quotes later for you if you want.

Dustin Doe's mother would have noticed problems at UF as well as FSU. UF has had their fair share of trouble like everyone else. FSU has had a lot more recently so I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

As for Udell, I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with that. I just threw that in there to show the different styles of recruiting. Nothing more.

[TNGator]

Dustin Doe's mother would have noticed problems at UF as well as FSU. UF has had their fair share of trouble like everyone else. FSU has had a lot more recently so I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

As for Udell, I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with that. I just threw that in there to show the different styles of recruiting. Nothing more.

I wasn't meaning that post negatively towards yah or anything. I guess I was pointing more towards the fact that UF hasn't had any trouble since Urban Meyer came to campus. No doubt there have been plenty of problems in the past at UF, but the team has stayed out of trouble since UM came to town. According to a couple Utah fans I've talked to...didn't have problems there either.

FSU just has had a lot, and very recent. The Wyatt Sexton deal is probably what all of that was about if I had my guess. That was national sports news and Florida just hasn't had any players doing bad enough things to deserve "national sports news".

Maybe I'm wrong, but just seems like that's assuming alot to say that Meyer is negative recruiting when he don't really have to in this case with FSU. The players at FSU, and the internet/sports news reporters are already doing it for him.

About Udell, the way Richt handles that recruiting situation seems a lot how Spurrier recruited at UF. If the player was good and wanted to be a Gator then so be it, if not he wasn't going to go all over begging someone to play for him. He said when he left for Washington that he was tired of all that and ready to move on.

When push comes to shove....Spurrier, Meyer, and Richt all are a little pushy when needing to fill a spot and quick I'm sure. I probably would be if my job depended on getting "johnny 4-star" to come play for me and my job depended on it!

[SilverBritches]

I wasn't meaning that post negatively towards yah or anything. I guess I was pointing more towards the fact that UF hasn't had any trouble since Urban Meyer came to campus. No doubt there have been plenty of problems in the past at UF, but the team has stayed out of trouble since UM came to town. According to a couple Utah fans I've talked to...didn't have problems there either.

FSU just has had a lot, and very recent. The Wyatt Sexton deal is probably what all of that was about if I had my guess. That was national sports news and Florida just hasn't had any players doing bad enough things to deserve "national sports news".

Maybe I'm wrong, but just seems like that's assuming alot to say that Meyer is negative recruiting when he don't really have to in this case with FSU. The players at FSU, and the internet/sports news reporters are already doing it for him.

About Udell, the way Richt handles that recruiting situation seems a lot how Spurrier recruited at UF. If the player was good and wanted to be a Gator then so be it, if not he wasn't going to go all over begging someone to play for him. He said when he left for Washington that he was tired of all that and ready to move on.

When push comes to shove....Spurrier, Meyer, and Richt all are a little pushy when needing to fill a spot and quick I'm sure. I probably would be if my job depended on getting "johnny 4-star" to come play for me and my job depended on it!

I know your post wasn't aiming at Georgia's problems. I will give UF credit, they have had a quiet offseason which is a good thing. I wish we could take some notes.

[JerryBeeds]

I wasn't meaning that post negatively towards yah or anything. I guess I was pointing more towards the fact that UF hasn't had any trouble since Urban Meyer came to campus. No doubt there have been plenty of problems in the past at UF, but the team has stayed out of trouble since UM came to town. According to a couple Utah fans I've talked to...didn't have problems there either.

FSU just has had a lot, and very recent. The Wyatt Sexton deal is probably what all of that was about if I had my guess. That was national sports news and Florida just hasn't had any players doing bad enough things to deserve "national sports news".

Maybe I'm wrong, but just seems like that's assuming alot to say that Meyer is negative recruiting when he don't really have to in this case with FSU. The players at FSU, and the internet/sports news reporters are already doing it for him.

About Udell, the way Richt handles that recruiting situation seems a lot how Spurrier recruited at UF. If the player was good and wanted to be a Gator then so be it, if not he wasn't going to go all over begging someone to play for him. He said when he left for Washington that he was tired of all that and ready to move on.

When push comes to shove....Spurrier, Meyer, and Richt all are a little pushy when needing to fill a spot and quick I'm sure. I probably would be if my job depended on getting "johnny 4-star" to come play for me and my job depended on it!
Excellent post TNGator. ;)

[SilverBritches]

Excellent post TNGator. ;)

Yes it was. He gets his point across while still being very respectful.